My Teenage Daughter

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  • MadeOfMagic
    MadeOfMagic Posts: 525 Member
    As pain as it might be, I would email the teachers and have them email you the assignments for the week. Every day make sure she completes them. If she refused take the TV/internet/phone. When I was in high school I slacked up till the 10th grade, the only reason I got a 2.23 GPA was because I didn't do my homework (not all of it). When I found the college I wanted to go to I knew I need to shape up, so I started doing all my homework and studying -at least somewhat, my GPA went up to 4.0 in just one quater and I want to hard a** private school. Sometimes homework and not studing is enough to drown the GPA.

    She needs some sort of motivation whether its punishment or reward system; just tell her you do not wish to punish her and that you're willing to work out a way where both of you are happy. Ask if she needs help with studying or learning how to study, if she does get someone to help her. Find out exact reason why she is not doing well in school and help her take the steps to change that.

    I recommend you establish a reward system-it always works-tell her if she meets certain grade requirments and you will reward her with things she likes. I wish my parents did this because I would have had that 4.0 all through school. My friend's parents gave her $100 for every A on quarter report card, and $50 for B's. She was A+ student and is now going to harvard on full scholarship, in teh long run her parents saved a ton of money by rewarding her.
  • christine24t
    christine24t Posts: 6,063 Member
    First off, you should have her evaluated for ADD or ADHD. If you find out it's not that, I would take away her cell phone like you are going to do, and possibly have a parent/teacher conference with her teachers to go over her problems. Also taking away the internet is a good thing. You could also sit down with her once a week and go over her syllabuses and map out when she is going to do each assignment.

    So a kid doesn't do well in school and automatically it's add/adhd? lol
    Oh America.

    No, it's that my sister had a lot of the same problems and she turned out to have ADHD. Mental health conditions are legitimate disorders of chemicals in the brain. It's worth an evaluation.

    Yeah! Didn't you know?! Giving kids drugs similar to speed/meth fixes everything! They get amazing grades! AND addictive tendencies! Woooohoooo!

    It is stereotypes of people that use medications like this that is causing problems in our society. How about until you meet and live with someone that suffered severely from ADD her whole life (and was not diagnosed until she was in high school) and benefits from being medicated for it, you don't judge. Thanks.

    Just to let you know also - my sister only takes her ADD medications when she is going to be somewhere where she has to concentrate. So in the summers, she doesn't take them as often.

    Having ADD/ADHD is nothing to be ashamed of. It is a legitimate medical disorder of the brain involving chemicals. It is not a personal weakness. What if I yelled at someone for having MS? Or Parkinson's? It is the exact same thing that many of you in this thread are doing. The idea of yelling at someone for having one of the above listed disorders is ridiculous, but many of you have no problem doing it to people who suffer from mental health conditions.
  • mvat839
    mvat839 Posts: 9 Member
    I will say with exception of one teacher the teachers at this school have no interest in doing anything extra to help her improve.

    I hate to say this but the child obviously has an unstable home life (not necessarily anyone to blame) just not settled, teachers can do some help but not work miracles. The changes have to occur at home, then ask the teachers to do whatever you need them to do. Teachers are not miracle workers, and many times know just as much as the next person how to motivate certain kids.
  • crisanderson27
    crisanderson27 Posts: 5,343 Member
    I need some help with a totally non weight loss related topic, my 14 (Almost 15) yr old step daughter.

    Here is the story, she lived me and her dad because her mother did not provide a stable living environment. Its not a court ordered thing her mother just knows that she can not provide the same kind of stability that we can so she allowed her to live with us this year and go to her mom's for the summers (her mom lives 6hrs away). Anyways before she was living with us she saw a lot of things, drug abuse, physical abuse and so on...That being said she is actually still a good kid. instead of taking on the roll of a reblious teenager her smokes drinks and parties (like her older sister who my hubby is not the father) she kinda became the care taker. She geniually is a good kid. Except in school.

    When it comer to her academics she is lazy and unorganized. She is always turning things in late, her teachers tell us she talks in class alot, she needs to be told to refocus regularly and some of it has to do with the group of girls she sits with. I contacted a teacher today about her slipping grades and he informed me that she is passing notes and texting in class regularly. Now I did tell the teacher i do not understand why the hell they have not taken her phone, but that being said her Dad and I are probably going to take her phone for a while. That being said her phone is one of her only sources of punishment we have. She is newer to the school so she doesn't have a ton of friends and a super active social life. We have ha to take her phone before and i feel like its starting lose its effect. What other forms of punishment (or even ways to encourage or motivate her to do better) Do you use with your teenagers? I need some creative idea :)

    You just described my 14yr old daughter (from being a good kid to the unreliable and disorganized school habits) during the last stages of (and into the following months after) my relationship with her mother. I took her phone. I took the computer. I took the TV. I took her friends. I took her books. I took the door off her bedroom. I also setup with her teachers so she had an agenda that was signed every day. She EARNED those things back, one by one by one. Yes...she was going through some emotional issues (with the split up), and yes, we talked about them...but unfortunately LIFE doesn't give a damn about what issues we go through, and so while I was there to support her emotionally, the punishments weren't allowed to let slide. It took a couple months, but as she earned her privelages back, her improvements came by leaps and bounds. She now HATES to miss school, because she hates the idea of make up work (she chose school the next day over the midnight showing of Hunger Games, seriously), and is an honor roll student.

    Too many parents nowadays don't provide structured, rigid discipline...with loving support to uphold it...and unfortunately, I think that's what's going to be the downfall of our country.
  • elfo
    elfo Posts: 353 Member
    I think you should have her evaluated for ADD- if this is the case- punishment will NOT work. You will need to find ways to help her. ADD can manifest as misbehavior if not diagnosed. She deserves that- if it's not that, then you can go from there, but it sounds like that to me. Punishing her might push her into worse things- be careful.
  • TeresaWash
    TeresaWash Posts: 283
    Well, I believe in punishment or consiquences for misbehaving, poor grades etc. But that doesn't work for all kids. Sounds like she's been punished enough in life. Maybe "rewards" for good grades, good reports from a teacher etc. Good luck to you, she is lucky to have parents that care, I hope you find an answer... just never ever give up on her!
  • breezymom81
    breezymom81 Posts: 499 Member
    Having been in this spot, please do not punish her! She has had a rough life and is trying to adjust- instead get her a counsler and if she needs a tutor do that also! For what it's worth you can have all numbers blocked from texting with the exception of you and her dad-that way she can still reach you!
  • LavaDoll
    LavaDoll Posts: 595 Member
    Coming from personal experience, having been one of those teenagers, it will only cause resentment. (taking things away) I think talking to her about going to a therapist and taking her to one would be more helpful over all. They will talk about everything, including academics. An outside influence is usually best in this kind of situation. She could have a multitude of issues that you aren't even aware of.

    EXACTLY.

    please tread lightly & be cool - from what you say, your daughter sounds like she really needs her social outlet - but also some help. taking her phone away will piss her off and make her feel worse than she does right now. it's not that she should be able to "get away" with things, but her actions sound like crying out, to me.

    you do not want to push her away. she is already separated from her mother, and no matter if that was for the best, it is a hurt that only those who have been there can understand.

    do your best to MAKE HER FEEL LOVED and IMPORTANT.

    keep her close - include her in more things in your home - her home - TALK to her more.

    do not let her shut you out, thinking that you just do not understand. open the dialogues - she needs somebody to LISTEN.
    better the people at home who love her than the kids at school.

    i have a 13 yo daughter, and have been dealing w this kind of thing all year...i have been spending more time w her, talking to her more, etc., and her attitude and grades have improved a great deal.

    do not give up on her - or she will give up on herself. <3
  • mnwalkingqueen
    mnwalkingqueen Posts: 1,299 Member
    My son is the same age good kid with some small issues but seen the drug use too. It takes work on the parents side but I showed up at school hid in classrooms and wrote down or recorded what I saw and heard. I approached my son at lunch time he was shocked that I was there and could not deny what I saw and heard. We had an all teacher conference with my son and laid down the law of expectations and consequences. This was 2 months ago he is getting all A's and no missing home work or having classroom problems. He was either embarrassed or shocked that I came to school doesn't matter which as long as it made an impact.
    Taking away the cell phone works and so does removing the bedroom door. I have also taken away eating out and name brand clothing as punishments all are effective in their own way. I recently took away the ability to finish drives ed due to pot smoking. Just have to do it and stick to it kids today think they are entitled to have things that are privledges make them earn it.


    I agree with counseling and lots of communication because I do both but you also have to discipline. I have this saying I tell my freinds....I would rather have my child resent me for being a good parent than thinking I'm cool for being a bad one.
  • dmwiseman
    dmwiseman Posts: 34 Member
    I was a wild child all thru school. I would ditch constantly. I was always in trouble for talking (no cell phones), passing notes, sleeping. After the 2nd or 3rd time of my teacher spoke to my father, he realized his "threats" and punishements were not working. My Dad came to my school and sat in every class, and "hung out" with me at lunch. I was MORTIFIED! He did it for a week...
    Guess what? I suddenly became a really, really good student. :)
  • crisanderson27
    crisanderson27 Posts: 5,343 Member
    Coming from personal experience, having been one of those teenagers, it will only cause resentment. (taking things away) I think talking to her about going to a therapist and taking her to one would be more helpful over all. They will talk about everything, including academics. An outside influence is usually best in this kind of situation. She could have a multitude of issues that you aren't even aware of.

    EXACTLY.

    please tread lightly & be cool - from what you say, your daughter sounds like she really needs her social outlet - but also some help. taking her phone away will piss her off and make her feel worse than she does right now. it's not that she should be able to "get away" with things, but her actions sound like crying out, to me.

    Unfortunately, in just a few years...society is going to take this approach and cram it right down her throat. Part of a parents job is to PREPARE their children for the world. The world doesn't give a damn about your problems, your emotions, nor your issues. You tow the line, or you pay consequences (unless you're a celebrity of course, then you just claim drug addiction and go to rehab). If punishment for her OWN actions makes her angry and she lashes out, then punish that as well. There is an acceptable path, and an unacceptable.
    you do not want to push her away. she is already separated from her mother, and no matter if that was for the best, it is a hurt that only those who have been there can understand.

    do your best to MAKE HER FEEL LOVED and IMPORTANT.

    keep her close - include her in more things in your home - her home - TALK to her more.

    do not let her shut you out, thinking that you just do not understand. open the dialogues - she needs somebody to LISTEN.
    better the people at home who love her than the kids at school.

    i have a 13 yo daughter, and have been dealing w this kind of thing all year...i have been spending more time w her, talking to her more, etc., and her attitude and grades have improved a great deal.

    do not give up on her - or she will give up on herself. <3

    THIS I agree with 150%...but it is NOT exclusive from maintaining discipline and punishing bad behavior...rather, it's a REQUIREMENT to be able to properly punish a child. If the love an support is there, the punishments will be understood, if not immediately...then within a VERY short time period.

    I'm sorry folks...the love and support IS necessary, but it goes hand in hand with the discipline and structure. Without the latter, you end up with entitled kids that feel that all those pesky rules in the world are unfair and don't apply to them anyway. My girlfriends daugher is a perfect example...14yrs old, failing most of her classes...because she truly believed they couldn't hold her back in 8th grade without her mother's permission. Unfortunately this is VERY TYPICAL of todays young teenagers. I could NEVER set my daughter up for that kind of failure...and amazingly enough, she loves me for the discipline and structure as much as for the love and support I've given her.

    Something to think about.
  • dmwiseman
    dmwiseman Posts: 34 Member
    I was a wild child all thru school. I would ditch constantly. I was always in trouble for talking (no cell phones), passing notes, sleeping. After the 2nd or 3rd time of my teacher spoke to my father, he realized his "threats" and punishements were not working. My Dad came to my school and sat in every class, and "hung out" with me at lunch. I was MORTIFIED! He did it for a week...
    Guess what? I suddenly became a really, really good student. :)

    It is probably a combination of things. All teens want to be liked by their peers. Sounds like no one has really held her accountable (in a good way) either. She may be trying to fit in. If she is ahead, she might be bored, if behind she may be trying to save face. She may have never studied before and may need help. As far a discipline l agree with wild child, though from the teachers viewpoint. Showing up really sends a message. We care, are invested and will not let you fail! Good luck. I truly believe teens can be tougher than twos!
  • YummyTpn
    YummyTpn Posts: 334 Member
    Coming from personal experience, having been one of those teenagers, it will only cause resentment. (taking things away) I think talking to her about going to a therapist and taking her to one would be more helpful over all. They will talk about everything, including academics. An outside influence is usually best in this kind of situation. She could have a multitude of issues that you aren't even aware of.

    EXACTLY.

    please tread lightly & be cool - from what you say, your daughter sounds like she really needs her social outlet - but also some help. taking her phone away will piss her off and make her feel worse than she does right now. it's not that she should be able to "get away" with things, but her actions sound like crying out, to me.

    you do not want to push her away. she is already separated from her mother, and no matter if that was for the best, it is a hurt that only those who have been there can understand.

    do your best to MAKE HER FEEL LOVED and IMPORTANT.

    keep her close - include her in more things in your home - her home - TALK to her more.

    do not let her shut you out, thinking that you just do not understand. open the dialogues - she needs somebody to LISTEN.
    better the people at home who love her than the kids at school.

    i have a 13 yo daughter, and have been dealing w this kind of thing all year...i have been spending more time w her, talking to her more, etc., and her attitude and grades have improved a great deal.

    do not give up on her - or she will give up on herself. <3

    I agree with the above...I am a counsellor in private practice and I see lots of teens with a variety of issues.

    I also agree with seeing the taking away of privileges as only a part of what you might do, not just the only thing you do...Yes it's important to maintain boundaries and consequences...She should still know that bad behaviour isn't an acceptable way to respond to her feelings and experiences.

    Having said that...There's no way that a child that lived through what you described your step-daughter lived through, and not have some kind of feelings about it, at minimum, that are confusing and overwhemling. At maximum, she may be reeling from the trauma cause by the environment with her mom. She's very young and may be unsure what to do with the big feelings she might be having as a result... So, seeing a therapist isn't a bad idea...I'm an art therapist and this is aften popular with teens as well, as it's non-confrontational and allows teens to open up at their own pace and with them being in charge, not another adult telling them what to do and who to be.

    Another point I want to make is to really see her from a strengths-based point-of-view. That is, find out what her talents and interests are, and exploit them! If she likes art, sign her up for an art class, take her to a gallery. If she likes soccer, suggest joining a community team, going ot games with her, whatever. Once she channels her energy into an interest that she enjoys and is enthusiastic about, it will only help to enhance her self-confidence, which will play a big role in helping her navigate what she's going through.

    Also, does she spend any one-on-one time with her father? That would be good, and if he could do it on a regular basis. This way, he lets her know she's still important to him (especially since her mother's kind of out-of-the picture, and if you and he have other children). Once she knows for sure how much her dad loves and cares about her, this will also help her to build self-esteem, identity, and confidence. She needs to know she's special to him and it's one thing to say it, but another to show it by consistently making time for her and her only. The same could go for you and her, it can't hurt for her to have some bonding time with her stepmom, with her mom unavailable.

    I hope this helps. Message me if you have any other questions I might be able to help with. And good luck!
  • xHelloQuincyx
    xHelloQuincyx Posts: 884 Member
    it sounds like she needs help, not her phone taken away.

    i acted just like that before being diagnosed with ADD. concerta turned me from a C average to getting into college. i now have a 3.8!
    if your not for drugs then you need to look at other ways you can help her. example: doing homework together at set times, study groups, new organization filing cabnit and agenda, sylvin learning center, guidence councler (to see if there is a different problem causing this)


    im a child development major now, and (no offence) 'punishment' makes me sick. children repete behavior because it is working for them. they get the reaction they want etc. when something isnt working there is either a 1. lack of fit (needs to go to a different school) 2. unmet needs (need therapist, homework help, set schedual) or 3. lack of skill (pushing child to do something that is developmentaly unapropriate)
  • crisanderson27
    crisanderson27 Posts: 5,343 Member
    im a child development major now, and (no offence) 'punishment' makes me sick. children repete behavior because it is working for them. they get the reaction they want etc. when something isnt working there is either a 1. lack of fit (needs to go to a different school) 2. unmet needs (need therapist, homework help, set schedual) or 3. lack of skill (pushing child to do something that is developmentaly unapropriate)

    That's interesting...so the concept is, if they act out...send them to another school, send them to counselling, or assume they are incapable?

    Yes, I over simplified, but...I'm sorry, I disagree completely.

    It's amazing all of the incredibly resourceful, intelligent, caring, supportive, STRONG, and admirable people (I'm talking about my late 50yr old parents and back) that were raised in a household where if you screwed up, you paid consequences for it. And it's even more amazing that in todays world of enablement, counselling (yes, I believe in counselling...when my ex left last April and moved 800 miles away from her children then filed for custody...and lost, the first thing I did was signed myself, my daughter, and my two sons up for family counselling), medications, child development specialists, and 'give to get' parenting...how many kids disrespect their elders, their teachers (or try to murder them...seriously), don't care, and all around feel that they 'deserve' some special treatment just because they are who they are.

    When will people realize that life in general and our society in specific doesn't accomodate those kinds of people, and all that will be gained if we DO manage to force our society to accomodate those kinds of people, is the ruination of the specific ideals that made our country great to begin with.

    No offense.
  • honeysprinkles
    honeysprinkles Posts: 1,757 Member
    I'm not a parent (obviously) but being that I'm 19, it wasn't all that long ago that I was in her position. I did a lot of the same things that she did at that age (8th/9th grade), talking in class, passing notes, not really caring a lot about school work. I think it's just a part of being that age. It only took getting a little older and a little more mature to realize that there is a time to socialize and a time to be a student. It might also be a good idea to get her interested in her future. Start talking about what she wants to do after high school, what kind of career she wants, etc. to get her focused on her goals. When I realized that going to college was important to me, I realized that the types of classes that I took and the grades that I got were also important. Maybe the same will happen for her?
  • keyboardwench
    keyboardwench Posts: 121 Member
    Not a parent either, just a 19 year old psychology student. I'm a little worried by how you originally seemed focused on punishment. Some of these points I copied from my notes, it's a little weird of me XD

    In psychology/behaviour modification punishment has benefits obviously:
    -increase in social behaviour
    -improvement in mood – paradoxical as punishment is usually aversive
    -increase attention to the problem

    However it has problems:
    -punishment of inappropriate behaviour does not increase appropriate behaviour
    -person delivering the punisher can become a discriminative stimulus (she could come to fear/resent out)
    -may cause avoidance of the person delivering the punisher
    -elicits a strong emotional response
    -can elicit aggressive behaviour in return
    -punishment can be inherently reinforcing for the person delivering it
    - Can produce undesirable emotions
    - Only suppresses behaviour
    - Can cause situation/people to become conditioned to punishers
    - Positive reinforcement could be neglected .

    Really we say that punishment should only be used as a last resort, when the behaviour occurs so often there is no good behaviour to reinforce (crudely, to reward), when the nature/intensity of the behaviour leads to serious questions of safety, and when the use of reinforcement is not effective because other more powerful reinforcers are causing the problems.

    Instead I suggest that you attempt to reinforce (reward, increase existing behaviours that you want to see more of) her good school behaviours that currently exist. Talk with her, let her know about the situation and your concerns, and as well let her know that she could get some great things out of this if she does her work well - other then the great benefit of increasing her knowledge. Obviously you can't take her shopping every time she does her homework so try setting up a token economy.
    - tokens can be points/stickers/poker chips/something to represent and reward each of good behaviours. Give the token for each behaviour you have specified as what you two are working on and have agreed to, and when she accumulates enough (set that number too) let her exchange all the tokens for a larger reinforcement such as a new pair of jeans and shirt.

    That's the behaviour modification look at it, but also don't forget to talk to her about the issue, see what's on her mind, let her know you're concerned and discuss possible new plans. Hope this helps somewhat.
  • Vi0l33t
    Vi0l33t Posts: 117 Member
    Is she allowed on the internet? Scrap it for a week. Is she allowed to watch T.V? Scrap it for a week. Radio? Do the same. Each week she doesn't improve take another one away. She'll either improve or she'll only have her school work, chores, and dinner time to look forward to. My parents even went to the point of assigning new chores as a punishment.

    My parents often had to resort to taking basically anything that was distracting, or fun from me when I was having the same problems with my academics. I often lost books, art supplies, phone privileges, and the like. eventually it started working.
  • BrendaLee
    BrendaLee Posts: 4,463 Member
    I've been through this exact thing with my daughter -- right down to struggling to find a punishment during phases when she didn't have much of a social life.

    First, as far as school goes, I would recommend setting up an appointment with her guidance counselor. A one-on-one between her counselor and herself would be ideal, but make sure you let him/her know in advance about her issues and what you would like him/her to discuss with your daughter. These are pretty common issues, and her guidance counselor should have some tips and tricks to help her become a better student. Also, ask her teachers to seat her at the front of the class and away from distractions. It is nearly impossible to focus in class if you're sitting close to a friend/acquaintance who likes to gab or pass notes.

    As for punishment, I'd go easy on that, since she doesn't really seem to have done anything too serious. It's perfectly fine, though, to make her earn rewards such as a cell phone or internet time. Focus on the positive aspects of doing well in school. Kids want to do well, even if they're not always motivated to do so. Offer rewards for a job well done. You'll probably have to be diligent in making sure homework gets done every night. If she doesn't have one already, get her a homework book, and make sure she's writing down her homework for each class. You can also set something up with her teachers to have them sign the homework book to make sure she's actually writing it down.

    It really comes down to maintaining good communication with the school and being persistent in making sure she's doing what she needs to do. I would recommend getting her involved in something that she enjoys outside of school -- dance, art, music. Being a part of something is great for the self-esteem.
  • I was a wild child all thru school. I would ditch constantly. I was always in trouble for talking (no cell phones), passing notes, sleeping. After the 2nd or 3rd time of my teacher spoke to my father, he realized his "threats" and punishements were not working. My Dad came to my school and sat in every class, and "hung out" with me at lunch. I was MORTIFIED! He did it for a week...
    Guess what? I suddenly became a really, really good student. :)

    Now there is a creative father!! :D
  • kitkatwag
    kitkatwag Posts: 82 Member
    Coming from personal experience, having been one of those teenagers, it will only cause resentment. (taking things away) I think talking to her about going to a therapist and taking her to one would be more helpful over all. They will talk about everything, including academics. An outside influence is usually best in this kind of situation. She could have a multitude of issues that you aren't even aware of.

    I agree that taking things at this age like the phone or computer can lead to resentment.
    I am dealing with 2 teenage girls at the moment, both my birth kids. The oldest lives with her dad just a mile away. Anyway, my youngest is haveing some big issues. We have not seen them so much in her grades and to be honest she was doing a good job of masking the whole thing. Therapy may be an option but you need to try to talk to her first to see if there is a root that ya;ll can solve together. My dauaghter decided to confide in the nurse practitioner that we see. he is kinda young cool to her. he tried to get her to go to couseling and it caused anger. I would try the talking then maybe even spending more time together. Whith what she has witnessed there could be lots of stuff going on in her head.

    with all that said. Continue to encourage and praise the fact that other than the grades she is a good kid. Mine are too, they both know lots of kids that are doing things that are not good and will not lead to a good future. Be sure to remind them that you know they are making right choices. Feel free to msg me if you want to talk more
  • hikezilla
    hikezilla Posts: 174 Member
    What kind of grades is she getting? Maybe she's just bored and the school can't deal with it.
  • castadiva
    castadiva Posts: 2,016 Member
    When I was younger, I was always getting kicked out of class, forgetting homework, talking in class, getting bad reports home from teachers...The teachers wanted me put on ADD meds (in my opinion because they thought it would shut me up, not because I actually had ADD), but the truth is, I was just bored.

    Yep, she could be bored. Another question, what about her friends? Are they just "getting by" or "passing"? That doesn't help either. I had friends like too. Once they placed my in more challenging classes, I was now competing against those who were excelling. "Not being the laziest" then became my incentive. It will help her build her competitiveness.

    I think this is a huge issue with her. She has a tendency to seek out the people she was used to growing up around, not the go getters and the doers. We would like to get her in more activities so she meets more goal achieving kids.

    I don't think anyone else has raised this, but have you asked who she's texting? If she's new to the area, new-ish to the school, not involved in very much, she's probably texting her old friends at her old school. That's totally understandable, if she's lonely and feeling 'fish out of water', albeit the classroom is not the appropriate time or place. If she doesn't have many friends in her new location, she'll be even more keen to make sure she stays in touch with the old ones. Presumably her phone is her main way of contacting both old friends, and her mother and sister? I would think very, very carefully about taking that away from her - you risk making her feel that you are trying to alienate her from her old life, and her mother in particular, and withdrawing a support system that may be helping her to get through this period of change. Someone also made the very valid point that a lot of academic work now requires internet use, indeed some schools distribute assignments exclusively online, so be careful with restricting that, also!

    That said, I would strongly advocate getting her involved in a few activities at her new school. Definitely check on the boredom factor - if she's bright, even if she has missed a few things, she's likely to be bored in class, and if her grades are only average, intellectual ability may not be picked up on.

    You may also want to look into a tutor to go over certain things with her - particularly in maths, sciences and foreign languages, it's easy to miss one or two things that are critical building blocks, and it undermines understanding and performance in the entire subject. Trust me on this one - I was Ivy-League waitlisted at 14, yet failed Calculus completely because I missed some lessons on fractions through ill health aged 9... It haunted my maths and science results to the end of my schooling. If she's moved around a bit, there will be gaps, and teachers almost certainly either won't pick up on it/won't know her history to look for it/won't have time to do anything about it. (By the way, I was also fiendishly disorganised, still am to an extent. Teachers hate it, but it's not really the end of the world. If it's something she cares about, she'll organise it.)

    If she's basically a good kid, positive reinforcement is likely to be more effective than punishment. The latter will only breed resentment, particularly if she has a wilder older sister who experiences no consequences for her actions. I like the suggestions about talking to her about college/taking a few campus tours as well. Show her what she could achieve, then give her the tools to do it.
  • Escarda
    Escarda Posts: 131 Member
    Wow, no offense but you sound like a *****..
    I moved out of my parents at 16.
    If at 15, they had tried to take my phone, i would of laughed in their faces.
  • missy787
    missy787 Posts: 35
    Here is a thought. I only speak from experience. Maybe have her checked for ADHD. I could not focus, was always forgetting things, talking, and always off task. So.... Maybe take her to the Dr, and ask about getting her tested. It sure can't hurt, and if there is nothing wrong then you know it is surely just laziness! Good luck!
  • UsedToBeHusky
    UsedToBeHusky Posts: 15,228 Member
    A reward system might be better in this situation. Find something that she likes (educational or non-educational, whatever works) and offer her a reward for improving on her grades. Also, help her develop an organizational system of her own. You don't so much want to tell her what to do as guide her with it. Let her figure out how to make it work so she will take ownership of it. That's my best advice for dealing with a pre-teen. Mine will be 13 over the summer and I still struggle with her at times. But be patient. Try to treat her with respect and maturity. Avoid treating her like a child as much as possible. The more she feels like she is being treated like a child, the less she is going to cooperate. Just keep that in mind.
  • XXXMinnieXXX
    XXXMinnieXXX Posts: 3,459 Member
    Talking in class, not turning in work, totally disorganized, good kid in every other way. That is my son who has ADHD and Aspergers. Coincidentally, very similar situation with his Mom.

    Same here. Although with my step son you can tell in other ways he has aspergers, taking everything literally, very young acting for his age. There could be so many reasons for this behaviour, typical teenager, rebelling after everything she has witnessed. I'd make time for girl time with her, and try to find out what's going on. Maybe counselling is the answer. I don't believe punsihment is the right way to go. The kids been through a lot, and if its messed her up a little that's really not her fault. Maybe she just needs extra care and guidance for now x
  • honeysprinkles
    honeysprinkles Posts: 1,757 Member
    Wow, no offense but you sound like a *****..
    I moved out of my parents at 16.
    If at 15, they had tried to take my phone, i would of laughed in their faces.
    Saying "no offense" doesn't make it any less offensive.
    And your last comment shows that you had absolutely no respect for your parents, so I don't think anyone would be too interested in taking your advice. I also don't understand how 16 is an appropriate age to move out!
  • Heaven71
    Heaven71 Posts: 706 Member
    Social networking is the issue. Unlimited phone and internet is the worst thing parents have ever done to children. Mine is 16 going on 17, she has a phone that can only be used with Wifi and that's only when we are somewhere that it's free. We don;t have internet accessible at home, she does not need it. She had a phone with a limited text plan, we restricted it to, 4pm-9pm during the week and 7am-11pm on weekends but her grades slipped. We took the phone completely last semester and she is now an honor roll student again.

    Kids are not mature and responsible enough to handle all of the responsibility that parents lay on them. In a way it's almost a way of getting them out of your hair I guess.
  • honeysprinkles
    honeysprinkles Posts: 1,757 Member
    Social networking is the issue. Unlimited phone and internet is the worst thing parents have ever done to children. Mine is 16 going on 17, she has a phone that can only be used with Wifi and that's only when we are somewhere that it's free. We don;t have internet accessible at home, she does not need it. She had a phone with a limited text plan, we restricted it to, 4pm-9pm during the week and 7am-11pm on weekends but her grades slipped. We took the phone completely last semester and she is now an honor roll student again.

    Kids are not mature and responsible enough to handle all of the responsibility that parents lay on them. In a way it's almost a way of getting them out of your hair I guess.
    The only downside that I see to that approach is this: what happens when they go off to their first year of college and are suddenly all on their own? No one is there to tell you to go to class, to do your assignments, to quit texting all day, etc. You want them to be able to find moderation on their own, you have to let them learn how to do that without it being forced because otherwise when the parents aren't there it could cause problems!

    My mom was always more relaxed and trusting and I've had a lot less problems handling my responsibilities than some of my friends who had very strict parents.