Vegetarians - why?
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He isn't here; I am.
Truly, the thing that gets me about these boards are the meat-eaters who pound their chests and say something like "Dead animals are tasty. I don't care how the hell they died."
Meat-eaters who at least show some respect for the animals they eat are fine with me. But, I hate the entitlement, and 'you can't make me stop' attitude. Yeah...like I could.
You clearly share the same elitist views if you chose to marry someone who speaks to people like he does...
Please show me where I'm pounding my chest and saying how I don't care how animals die? I believe that they should be humanely killed, I also believe animals like chickens shouldn't be stuck in tiny pens where they can hardly move from over crowding of other chickens. Just because I eat meat that does not mean that I believe animals should be mistreated and tortured before death. That's a very simple minded way of stereotyping omni/carnivores...
I agree with everything but the first line. My boyfriend is really REALLY opinionated, and overly honest to the point where it isn't tactful. I am not like that at all. The way he talks to people sometimes is actually embarrassing. I definitely wouldn't want to have it assumed that I hold some of the views he has, because even he and I argue over the ridiculousness of some of his statements. lol0 -
He isn't here; I am.
Truly, the thing that gets me about these boards are the meat-eaters who pound their chests and say something like "Dead animals are tasty. I don't care how the hell they died."
Meat-eaters who at least show some respect for the animals they eat are fine with me. But, I hate the entitlement, and 'you can't make me stop' attitude. Yeah...like I could.
You clearly share the same elitist views if you chose to marry someone who speaks to people like he does...
Please show me where I'm pounding my chest and saying how I don't care how animals die? I believe that they should be humanely killed, I also believe animals like chickens shouldn't be stuck in tiny pens where they can hardly move from over crowding of other chickens. Just because I eat meat that does not mean that I believe animals should be mistreated and tortured before death. That's a very simple minded way of stereotyping omni/carnivores...
I am speaking generally about these boards. Not anything you said, specifically.
And you are saying I'm an 'elitist' because I married someone you think fits that category? Amazing!0 -
He isn't here; I am.
Truly, the thing that gets me about these boards are the meat-eaters who pound their chests and say something like "Dead animals are tasty. I don't care how the hell they died."
Meat-eaters who at least show some respect for the animals they eat are fine with me. But, I hate the entitlement, and 'you can't make me stop' attitude. Yeah...like I could.
You clearly share the same elitist views if you chose to marry someone who speaks to people like he does...
Please show me where I'm pounding my chest and saying how I don't care how animals die? I believe that they should be humanely killed, I also believe animals like chickens shouldn't be stuck in tiny pens where they can hardly move from over crowding of other chickens. Just because I eat meat that does not mean that I believe animals should be mistreated and tortured before death. That's a very simple minded way of stereotyping omni/carnivores...
I agree with everything but the first line. My boyfriend is really REALLY opinionated, and overly honest to the point where it isn't tactful. I am not like that at all. The way he talks to people sometimes is actually embarrassing. I definitely wouldn't want to have it assumed that I hold some of the views he has, because even he and I argue over the ridiculousness of some of his statements. lol
Some posters come onto these threads, and that's all they say. It's insensitive, if nothing else.0 -
I just don't like meat.
Simple as that.0 -
LOL I go to the gym and come back to See the Omnivore thread closed and now VergingOnVega is working on getting this one closed as well.
Really. And why would that be? For expressing an opinion that is different than yours?
You're aloud to have a varied opinion from mine, unlike you, I don't judge people for what they eat. I'm more than okay with you being vegetarian but you have a severe case of "butt hurt" on every single forum that has someone stating they eat meat.0 -
It boils down to.... preference and choice.0
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I almost went veg. The only meat I ate was chicken nuggets and I think I just ate them so often the thought of eating more meat turned me. Turns out I hate most vegetarian food too (getting better). I'm also concerned for those who do not research what is lacking in the vegetarian's diet and how to get it in a healthy matter that doesn't consist of eating the same thing over and over like tofu (that's a different thread rant). I can understand why peoples stomach turn over meat. It doesn't do that to me anymore. A animal dies for me every day. I'm like Jesus.
I also didn't want to be associated with the attitude problem most people assume vegetarians have. I bet some people got offended by my jesus comment for example. Don't get me wrong the 'meat eaters' can be just as bad to the other extreme making a point to tick the vegetarians off. I think we all need to be a little more acceptable and not assume that because someone has curiosity (not necessarily a bad thing in life) like the OP, or a sense of humor, you need to fight with them (non-constructively).
I think it's all rather silly. If someone is saying something and it's not to be intentionally mean about it, why would you flip it to be?0 -
He isn't here; I am.
Truly, the thing that gets me about these boards are the meat-eaters who pound their chests and say something like "Dead animals are tasty. I don't care how the hell they died."
Meat-eaters who at least show some respect for the animals they eat are fine with me. But, I hate the entitlement, and 'you can't make me stop' attitude. Yeah...like I could.
You clearly share the same elitist views if you chose to marry someone who speaks to people like he does...
Please show me where I'm pounding my chest and saying how I don't care how animals die? I believe that they should be humanely killed, I also believe animals like chickens shouldn't be stuck in tiny pens where they can hardly move from over crowding of other chickens. Just because I eat meat that does not mean that I believe animals should be mistreated and tortured before death. That's a very simple minded way of stereotyping omni/carnivores...
I agree with everything but the first line. My boyfriend is really REALLY opinionated, and overly honest to the point where it isn't tactful. I am not like that at all. The way he talks to people sometimes is actually embarrassing. I definitely wouldn't want to have it assumed that I hold some of the views he has, because even he and I argue over the ridiculousness of some of his statements. lol
My husband doesn't try to be politically correct either, so I understand. I try to state things in as respectful a way as I can, but I'm human, and sometimes get provoked. This guy is saying I think I'm 'superior' because of who I'm married to--like I have no individuality at all. He mustn't be married to think that way, I think. This point of view goes back to the days when wives were little more than chattel to their husbands.0 -
It's the seemingly militant and derogatory way in which your message is delivered, rather than the message itself. I usually respect your opinion if not your husbands, but you have veered more toward the superiority argument in the last couple of threads. I just wish the issue could be discussed without either side being hostile or unreasonable.Really. And why would that be? For expressing an opinion that is different than yours?0 -
I almost went veg. The only meat I ate was chicken nuggets and I think I just ate them so often the thought of eating more meat turned me. Turns out I hate most vegetarian food too (getting better). I'm also concerned for those who do not research what is lacking in the vegetarian's diet and how to get it in a healthy matter that doesn't consist of eating the same thing over and over like tofu (that's a different thread rant). I can understand why peoples stomach turn over meat. It doesn't do that to me anymore. A animal dies for me every day. I'm like Jesus.
I also didn't want to be associated with the attitude problem most people assume vegetarians have. I bet some people got offended by my jesus comment for example. Don't get me wrong the 'meat eaters' can be just as bad to the other extreme making a point to tick the vegetarians off. I think we all need to be a little more acceptable and not assume that because someone has curiosity (not necessarily a bad thing in life) like the OP, or a sense of humor, you need to fight with them (non-constructively).
I think it's all rather silly. If someone is saying something and it's not to be intentionally mean about it, why would you flip it to be?
If you're like Jesus, I have lots of water I need turned into more suitable adult drinks...0 -
LOL I go to the gym and come back to See the Omnivore thread closed and now VergingOnVega is working on getting this one closed as well.
Really. And why would that be? For expressing an opinion that is different than yours?
You're aloud to have a varied opinion from mine, unlike you, I don't judge people for what they eat. I'm more than okay with you being vegetarian but you have a severe case of "butt hurt" on every single forum that has someone stating they eat meat.
Whatever. For the record, I have never 'judged' anyone. That would be you feeling judged for reasons only you can know.0 -
Personally, I am a low carber (the EXACT opposite of a vegetarian) and the #1 argument people use against low carb eating is this..."It isn't healthy to completely eliminate an entire food group from your diet"
HELLO......vegetarians eliminate an entire food group from their diet but that seems to be totally acceptable and much less taboo for some reason. I think that most people are vegetarians just because they want to act holier-than-thou about their lifestyle choice
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It's the seemingly militant and derogatory way in which your message is delivered, rather than the message itself. I usually respect your opinion if not your husbands, but you have veered more toward the superiority argument in the last couple of threads. I just wish the issue could be discussed without either side being hostile or unreasonable.Really. And why would that be? For expressing an opinion that is different than yours?
I think you should go back and read my posts--I mainly objected to the argument about plants feeling pain. I really don't think I am morally 'superior.' Many people have me beat in so many ways: taking in foster kids, visiting old folks in nursing homes, volunteering to fight fires in their communities. I love animals and want to reduce suffering by not eating them--it's a point of fact. It says nothing about you at all.0 -
I've tried to cut down my consumption of meat/meat products due to the fact that livestock maintenance and production causes a lot of CO2 emissions (particularly beef).
Decreasing CO2 means less food for all those yummy plants.....just saying....0 -
I don't eat meat for a number of reasons. It's disgusting. The thought of it grosses me out. If if doesn't bother you, fine. And the animals suffer. And the big thing for me is that the meat industry is very, very bad for the environment, especially factory farms, which provide most meat (chances are, if you eat meat, you are eating animals that were treated and killed inhumanely). It plays a major role in deforestation, the depletion of the ozone layer, irreversible damage to coral reefs, drought, famine, hunger, and poverty. Personally, I believe that if it is within your power to do something good, then you should, so if you can afford to give up meat (and dairy), you should.0
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Jesus, Doorki, you really REALLY want people to start considering the feelings of plants. This is like the 1984y638927t53 forum you have posted your plant argument in.
Don't you have like... working out... or a job... or something else besides your absurd argument to focus your attention on? Maybe you need a girlfriend. EHarmony is a wonderful site from what I have heard.
lol...Married, 2 kids, good job and healthy love for debate. The argument is not absurd because it pokes holes in some of the anti-meat crowd's perceived superiority because they do not harm things to eat. Everyone harms things to eat. Its the life and it is messy. Accept it
I'm not vegetarian clearly to anyone who have seen my posts in these vegetarian debates but it is a silly argument to compare harming a plant to an animal. Many plants are even designed to get ate in order to spread their seeds.
Many animals are designed to be eaten as well.....
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I'm not vegetarian clearly to anyone who have seen my posts in these vegetarian debates but it is a silly argument to compare harming a plant to an animal. Many plants are even designed to get ate in order to spread their seeds.
Many animals are designed to be eaten as well.....
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Personally, I am a low carber (the EXACT opposite of a vegetarian) and the #1 argument people use against low carb eating is this..."It isn't healthy to completely eliminate an entire food group from your diet"
HELLO......vegetarians eliminate an entire food group from their diet but that seems to be totally acceptable and much less taboo for some reason. I think that most people are vegetarians just because they want to act holier-than-thou about their lifestyle choice
I don't think people are talking about food groups when referring to the carbs. I think they are referring to completely removing a macro. There are 3 macros that are necessary: carbs, fats, and proteins. Our body needs all of those things to function at its best. Vegetarians aren't eliminating protein, they are using alternative protein sources. I think thats what they mean... just saying. And for your information, plenty of vegetarians don't have a holier than thou attitude, so maybe you should stop generalizing, because it sounds like you might have a superiority complex now...0 -
I've tried to cut down my consumption of meat/meat products due to the fact that livestock maintenance and production causes a lot of CO2 emissions (particularly beef).
Decreasing CO2 means less food for all those yummy plants.....just saying....
There is no shortage of carbon dioxide in the world. There will probably never be a shortage of carbon dioxide in the world. Even if there were, if people ate less meat, then animals would eat less plants, and there'd be more plants for the rest of us.0 -
The only reason for these threads is to get the veggies fighting the omnis...and then getting locked0
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The only reason for these threads is to get the veggies fighting the omnis...and then getting locked
Excellent point. And on that note, I'm going for my walk.0 -
I've tried to cut down my consumption of meat/meat products due to the fact that livestock maintenance and production causes a lot of CO2 emissions (particularly beef).
Decreasing CO2 means less food for all those yummy plants.....just saying....
This is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. There is no shortage of carbon dioxide in the world. There will probably never be a shortage of carbon dioxide in the world. Even if there were, if people ate less meat, then animals would eat less plants, and there'd be more plants for the rest of us.
This is kind of silly. Not trying to be mean, but the world was around way before humans and way before factory farming... plants survived then, I see no reason why decreasing co2 emissions would have a negative effect on the earth or on the food plants need. Factory farming is a relatively new phenomenon if you consider the lengthy history that the world has.0 -
Ok, I am probably going to offend some, but its not my intention.
However, I just don't get it, and never will. There has never been a good argument presented to me. I figure because whenever I ask why, they almost always get offended. For the life of me, I don't understand why I can't ask for a reason?
So why?
And please remove all of the tofu answers. That stuff is just nasty.
ya want a reason ? I've got it... health.
my husband just was diagnosed with high blood pressure, and super high cholesterol. Because we already ate pretty decently, lean chicken, little red meats, his DR suggested a STRICT vegan diet. I couldn't cut it,( my cholesterol and BP are fine so It was more of a supportive gesture for me) last week I broke down and went back to being an omnivore, but hubby stayed on it. Today after just 7 weeks of this diet, he got his tests back and the dr said they usually don't even see results this great with medication. My husband dropped over 100 points on his cholesterol.
some people have health reasons for doing it! :flowerforyou:0 -
:-D I really really really REALLY love that gif.
I just had to steal it from you, I couldn't resist! lol
It's just too funny.0 -
well i am really against cruelty to animals but i couldnt imagine not eating some sort of meat, i always do the free range or hunt for my own meat (my husband does) that way there is less cruelty i think everyone has a right to choose what they want to eat if you dont like a food dont eat it, i dont like fruit on the bottom of my yogurt but i will eat it with granola in it (non fruit yogurt) i like raw veggies but i dont like them cooked, i like raw fruit dont like them cooked in any way! sometimes it just comes down to a prefrence and a lifestyle maybe some vegetarians were raised that way maybe they had a bad experience that scarred them, i wont eat squid i tried it once and choked...see bad experience equals advoidance. maybe they just like veggies and fruit better than meat! or maybe they dont want to fall into the pit trap of eating an animal that could have potentionally been abused. if someone chooses to be a vegetarian Thats it, That is their choice!! i like to be an omnivore and thats ok too! variety is the spice of life and if we were all the same life would be bland and boring!0
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And on that note, neither vegeterians or omnivores are superior. Just ask this guy;
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I've tried to cut down my consumption of meat/meat products due to the fact that livestock maintenance and production causes a lot of CO2 emissions (particularly beef).
Decreasing CO2 means less food for all those yummy plants.....just saying....
This is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. There is no shortage of carbon dioxide in the world. There will probably never be a shortage of carbon dioxide in the world. Even if there were, if people ate less meat, then animals would eat less plants, and there'd be more plants for the rest of us.
I win!0 -
I am a vegetarian, but I have no quips about sucking less... I think my boyfriend enjoys my suckage. :-P
I'm sorry, I keep trying to diffuse this whole topic with sex.
No one is angry when its sexy time, unless its angry sex, which is still sex and still fun.
MI GUSTA :blushing:0 -
gerd/acid reflux and an ulcer, red meat hurts my stomach nothing else0
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When I first went vegan, it was for my health. I read that book Skinny ***** which is so embarrassing to admit, but it basically said, 'meat is bad for your body, you don't need it.'
Now, obviously that's a ridiculous blanket statement. Meat itself is not very bad for your body, it can be very good for your body. But are we usually sitting around eating Alaskan-caught salmon and free-range chicken? Heck no, we're eating fast-food burgers and ground beef and hot dogs. We all know it's laden with all sorts of gross chemicals and hormones that wears down our system over time, but it tastes good and hey, we don't eat it all the time.
Which brings me to fake meat alternatives. I eat them. on OCCASION. We (most of us, sorry) all do because it's fast and cheap and easy and we are hungry and tired and today was a long day so give us a break already. I have a packet of boca spicy chik'n burgers in my fridge right now just in case I need one dearly. I know the processed food isn't good for me and yet I am not stringent; I eat french fries and drink beer because hey I'm young and they taste good and you only live once. So why don't I just go back to being a straight-up omnivore if my health reasons are clearly only part-time?
That's where it comes down to ethics for me. For me, I have it in my head now that beef = a cow, bacon = a pig, huevos rancheros = a chicken. It's completely needless animal suffering because I know I don't need meat to survive. Maybe once upon a time in caveman days we did (debated, I know), but today it's easier than ever. Sometimes I want to eat meat because it still looks good to me sometimes, unlike how most vegetarians seem to feel. I have to exercise some self-control, and just say no, because I don't need it. And when I think about it, if it's easy to be vegan today, I can only imagine how much easier it's going to get.
Some people will say, what difference does it make to the multibillion dollar meat industry? Well, I know I'm just one person. But if you think we should bother voting for president, then think about how much more you can vote everyday in the super market or a restaurant. They'll clamor for my dollar.
My family gives me a hard time about my veganism, yet they can tell it's helped me keep my weight down and increased my self-control, and I think I am a much happier person because of it. My friends will occasionally ask me about my choice sometimes, and I can get very timid about it because, as others have said, you have to pick your words carefully. I'm not here to offend anyone, I'm just here to speak for myself. Hope that helps.0
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