Random stuff that stops me getting fat... and makes you fat

jofjltncb6 · June 2012

Totally dig the post, but I NEED a burger every now and then!!!

Nothing wrong w/ a burger patty....(one of the few points I disagreed with)...

senyosmom · June 2012

heheh - this is what I got of this:

Sex is great when you aint fat - or something like that. :smooched: :smooched:

shanice_22 · June 2012

I agree with 99% of this. What a great post about keeping people accountable for their actions. Kudos to you!

The only thing I have a concern about:

Piging out once a week as a treat - you will fail (calories)
I believe a healthy lifestyle is about balance. I go out to eat with my husband and allow myself 1 meal a week to eat w/e I want without thinking too much about the calories. Saying that, most of the time my meal is not over 1000 calories and it is not an all day event. So I really agree with this statement but I think it could be misinterpreted. I think an occasional high cal meal is fine but pigging out...hell no. So yeah, your right...haha

I also think there is room for sweets but again...in moderation. I cant imagine going the rest of my life without eating ice cream or cake but it shouldn't be an every day occurrence. IMO once a week is fine but it shouldn't be a whole gallon of ice cream or a 2000 calorie dessert. A little serving or even a low cal alternatives is reasonable.

I am struggling with my husbands "all or nothing" attitude about food lately. Its not about giving things up, its about replacing them with better options and eating other certain things moderation. It shouldn't be a "you cant have..." attitude. I focus on "this is type of food is great for you and we are going to limit these...."

Just my 2 cents

I'm currently trying to do an "all or nothing" with sweets and fizzy drinks. I know it's not necessarily the best way and I should find healthy alternatives (I do drink diet cola but it makes me really gassy lately), but at the moment, until I can control my splurges I need to go 'cold turkey'.

OP - good points made there.

kmuree · June 2012

I get what you're trying to prove, but mostly you come off as a stereotypical jerk.

This.

Many of your points are valid but you come off as rude, all-knowing and generally unpleasant.
I will eat an In 'N Out burger if I want to, I will converse and spend time with "fat people" and I will have a treat day every week.
:bigsmile:
And I will lose the weight.

sschmidt928 · June 2012

I really want to disagree with all your posts but I can't. I want to tell you are wrong but you are not. It's pretty f**king irritating that I have taken on board what you have said and will probably use your words to stop myself from turning to old habits when I'm feeling the old me creeping back out. It's pretty awesome that you took the time to type out the truth in your thinking and when I complete my transition from previously fit to previously fat I will be sure to stop back and Thank you

^This! Exactly how I read this post and better than I'd have said it!

Lesley2901 · June 2012

I agree with 99% of this. What a great post about keeping people accountable for their actions. Kudos to you!

The only thing I have a concern about:

Piging out once a week as a treat - you will fail (calories)
I believe a healthy lifestyle is about balance. I go out to eat with my husband and allow myself 1 meal a week to eat w/e I want without thinking too much about the calories. Saying that, most of the time my meal is not over 1000 calories and it is not an all day event. So I really agree with this statement but I think it could be misinterpreted. I think an occasional high cal meal is fine but pigging out...hell no. So yeah, your right...haha

I also think there is room for sweets but again...in moderation. I cant imagine going the rest of my life without eating ice cream or cake but it shouldn't be an every day occurrence. IMO once a week is fine but it shouldn't be a whole gallon of ice cream or a 2000 calorie dessert. A little serving or even a low cal alternatives is reasonable.

I am struggling with my husbands "all or nothing" attitude about food lately. Its not about giving things up, its about replacing them with better options and eating other certain things moderation. It shouldn't be a "you cant have..." attitude. I focus on "this is type of food is great for you and we are going to limit these...."

Just my 2 cents

Totally agree with this. I want to be healthy and eat well but I also want to enjoy life and for me that means not always worrying about the amount of calories I'm eating and having chocolate and cake in moderation if I want to!

bulletprooff · June 2012

Maybe I missed it... but nothing about drinking enough water?

vanhouae · June 2012

You do kind of come off kind of jerky, even if what you're saying is mostly correct.

Also, fast food isn't the only problem, it's anything that is super high in carbs that people think is okay because it's lower in calories... I hate those stupid "lean cuisine" meals because they're so high in sodium and carbs even though they don't have many calories in them. They try to trick people into thinking they're healthy when they really aren't. Another one that gets me is slimfast... how can anything with that much sugar help you lose weight effectively? I always joke about it because my mom drank it to help her gain weight after she got out of the hospital.

Anyways, liked your post. Blunt and to the point. Nice.

jofjltncb6 · June 2012

Who cares if he sounds a little "jerky". As long as he's dropping knowledge and not trying to make friends with everyone, then I'd say he's doing it right. Too many people on MFP are more worried about being nice than they are about being honest...IMHO.

sandrajune72 · June 2012

You never need to eat chocolate or crisps, etc.

Feel free to add......

Uhhhhh yes I do!

and no thanks.

Squeezalsize10 · June 2012

I agree with all except that I don't need chocolate. I am woman, chocolate is necessity! lol

Ofcourse!

FriendsR4EverTreasures · June 2012

The problem is that generalizations about weightloss are never correct because weightloss is as unique as the individual. It's good information and some of your points are okay; however, this should be taken like anything else, as information that we can take or leave. My philosophy of weightloss: balance (if you eat alot, you work out equally or more) calories in calories out; and moderation not deprivation (there is no bad food as long as you don't over do it). My two cents!

Jflowwers · June 2012

I get what you're trying to prove, but mostly you come off as a stereotypical jerk.

THIS. Jesus, calm down macho man. Good for you, you arent fat. We got it. Also, saying that everyones metoblism is the same and people that are overweight just eat to much compared to a " correct weight" person is BULL****. There are so many factors you havent touched here as to why some people are heavy. We all have a friend who eats like crap and doesnt gain a pound and we all know someone or might be someone, who eats right and struggles with their weight.

jofjltncb6 · June 2012

The problem is that generalizations about weightloss are never correct because weightloss is as unique as the individual. It's good information and some of your points are okay; however, this should be taken like anything else, as information that we can take or leave. My philosophy of weightloss: balance (if you eat alot, you work out equally or more) calories in calories out; and moderation not deprivation (there is no bad food as long as you don't over do it). My two cents!

I'll bite.

Why do people believe "there is no bad food as long as you don't over do it"? I mean that sincerely...it's a common belief, and one that I don't understand. Why do people believe that certain things we can eat are not harmful, even in "moderate" amounts?

So, anyhow, I disagree with your opinion that "there is no bad food", because I believe, in my own humble opinion, that certain foods are potentially bad for you even in "moderate" amounts.

Oh, and the entirety of the MFP forums are generalizations.

Sidesteal · June 2012

Why do people believe "there is no bad food as long as you don't over do it"? I mean that sincerely...it's a common belief, and one that I don't understand. Why do people believe that certain things we can eat are not harmful, even in "moderate" amounts?

Because typically people will find research that shows either trends, or attempts to show causal relationships between massive amounts of bad food and a negative effect. Then, they take this to mean that said food is bad under all doses and in all contexts. This isn't necessarily how it works.

Tuna is perfectly fine to eat but if you consume enough of it you can get poisoned. Consume small and infrequent amounts and you don't suffer any adverse effects.

Water is fatal at a high enough dosage.

Context and dosage are absolutely relevant and it's foolish to disregard that (and I am not calling YOU foolish when I say this, just to be clear).

So, anyhow, I disagree with your opinion that "there is no bad food", because I believe, in my own humble opinion, that certain foods are potentially bad for you even in "moderate" amounts.

Such as?

DrMAvDPhD · June 2012

Maybe you should change the title to "Stuff that makes me a meathead, and makes you not a body builder". Because I eat cheeseburgers and chocolate and I can assure you, I am not fat.

Jflowwers · June 2012

Maybe you should change the title to "Stuff that makes me a meathead, and makes you not a body builder". Because I eat cheeseburgers and chocolate and I can assure you, I am not fat.

Thank you.

spikefoot · June 2012

Follow all of these and it seems like life would feel kind of boring.

I agree with most but the logic of some seems a tad flawed.

Sarauk2sf · June 2012

While I do agree with some of the point, I am just commenting on the ones that jumped out at me

Piging out once a week as a treat - you will fail (calories)

Not if you stay at a deficit overall

Fast food makes you want more food (sugar)

Subjective - not me

You don't need to cut down on fast food (Burgers, Pizzas, fried food) you should NEVER eat them - people did just fine for millions of years without burgers

People did just fine millions of years ago without cars, it doesn't mean to say that I should not have my car. If the fast food fits into your calorie target - what exactly is wrong with it (in moderation)

Muscle is more imortant than cardio - muscle eats fat for breakfast

How?

You never need to eat chocolate or crisps, etc.

I don't have to but I want to...so I will

BMI is rubbish for many justifiable technical reasons - but in your case it's probably spot on

It's rubbish but in my case its not?

Healthy people don't eat much (compared to you)

Generalization

Edited to fix typo

toysbigkid · June 2012

Taking information from everyone ( not just on this thread but everywhere) and trying to figure this all out. I'm doing ok and I like eating clean wholesome foods nothing proccessed or in packages etc. Good luck to everyone on their journey...HUG!!!

Balance05 · June 2012

Everything is debatable. I did not follow all of your "rules" and I met my goal and then some. I eat pizza, sometimes I indulge in "cheat" meals, I eat chocolate, and I do way more cardio than weights (cardio is good for your heart, mister!). My point is that everyone can find their own ways to be successful. There is no one way about it.

I do appreciate the purpose of your post but you might try being a little less condescending towards people if you want them to take you seriously.

I completely agree! Everyone is different with different metabolisms, body types, BMIs, etc. Everyone needs to find the routine (although should switch it up every now and then to keep losing weigh when needed) that works for their body.

And the condescending part: so true. You are kindof a jerk for tone used when making this list. Just because you're thin and healthy doesn't make you better than everyone else. You have work to do, too.

jayliospecky · June 2012

Why do people believe "there is no bad food as long as you don't over do it"? I mean that sincerely...it's a common belief, and one that I don't understand. Why do people believe that certain things we can eat are not harmful, even in "moderate" amounts?

Because typically people will find research that shows either trends, or attempts to show causal relationships between massive amounts of bad food and a negative effect. Then, they take this to mean that said food is bad under all doses and in all contexts. This isn't necessarily how it works.

Tuna is perfectly fine to eat but if you consume enough of it you can get poisoned. Consume small and infrequent amounts and you don't suffer any adverse effects.

Water is fatal at a high enough dosage.

Context and dosage are absolutely relevant and it's foolish to disregard that (and I am not calling YOU foolish when I say this, just to be clear).

So, anyhow, I disagree with your opinion that "there is no bad food", because I believe, in my own humble opinion, that certain foods are potentially bad for you even in "moderate" amounts.

Such as?

Oh, thank you. Thank you for this response, Sidesteal.

Rilke · June 2012

So, anyhow, I disagree with your opinion that "there is no bad food", because I believe, in my own humble opinion, that certain foods are potentially bad for you even in "moderate" amounts.

Such as?

Partially hydrogenated oils?

Sidesteal · June 2012

So, anyhow, I disagree with your opinion that "there is no bad food", because I believe, in my own humble opinion, that certain foods are potentially bad for you even in "moderate" amounts.

Such as?

Partially hydrogenated oils?

^ This is one of the few food items that, while I don't absolutely avoid 100%, I try and limit. I actually don't know whether or not there's evidence to conclude that it's harmful even in the smallest of doses.

Does anyone have anything on this?

Rilke · June 2012

So, anyhow, I disagree with your opinion that "there is no bad food", because I believe, in my own humble opinion, that certain foods are potentially bad for you even in "moderate" amounts.

Such as?

Partially hydrogenated oils?

^ This is one of the few food items that, while I don't absolutely avoid 100%, I try and limit. I actually don't know whether or not there's evidence to conclude that it's harmful even in the smallest of doses.

Does anyone have anything on this?

Obviously (from just its name) this website is biased, but the studies on this page (about halfway down) look legit to me. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

http://www.bantransfats.com/abouttransfat.html

JenSuperGirl · June 2012

Yah - you missed one.

No 'diet' products, artificial sweeteners or processed funk of any nature.

These actually make you fat, they slow down the metabolism, confuse the brain and are not good for the body AT all. Weight loss is all hormones, and they don't like funk! Cut out the toxics and your body will repay you

Oh and over 3L of water a day - that is the most important one. Will benefit the body in every way - also if you don't drink enough you retain. Keep hydrated

CoderGal · June 2012

Some of these do not seem to be thought through. But I highly recommend everyone try getting healthier, instead of everyone trying to just be as thin as possible eating anything they want.