Now I've Seen Everything
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FOSTER CITY, Calif. (CBS Sacramento) – A new fitness trend appears to be sweeping the nation – one that expressly excludes those on the more slender side of the scale.
Multiple reports have surfaced recently about gyms that cater exclusively to zaftig clients looking to lose weight in a place free of potential judgment from other, smaller patrons.
Though some all-inclusive gyms have attempted in the past to create a safe haven for anyone interested in exercising – for example, Planet Fitness, a national chain of gyms with a “judgment-free” motto and mentality – some creators of obese-only gyms feel it’s not enough.
Fitness facilities throughout the United States and Canada are adopting the obese-only idea in the hopes of removing intimidation from the exercise equation.
One such business is Downsize Fitness, with locations in Las Vegas, Chicago and Dallas. They are self-described as a gym “developed specifically with chronically overweight and obese individuals in mind.”
Chris Gowens, co-founder of Downsize Fitness, told CBS Sacramento that he formerly served as the personal trainer of the gym’s other founder, and the two talked extensively about his former client’s apprehension to go to a public gym.
“Most people can’t afford a personal trainer … and never feel comfortable going to the gym,” he said. “The idea [for Downsize Fitness] was borne out of that. We thought it would be a good idea to open a gym tailored to overweight people, to create an environment that’s more welcoming and less intimidating.”
Other gyms with the same idea include Body Exchange in Vancouver, Square One in Omaha, Neb., and Buddha Body Yoga in New York City.
Shawn Arent, an associate professor for the Department of Exercise Science and Sport Studies at Rutgers University, told CBS Sacramento that any program with the potential to motivate obese people to pursue a healthier lifestyle is a program worthy of a chance.
“Anything that gets people moving is a good idea at this point, considering what we’re dealing with in terms of an obesity epidemic,” he said, adding that those put off by the notion of judgmental work-out companions are not alone. “The barrier people are talking about here is social physique anxiety, or nervousness about what others observe and perceive about a person in a certain environment.”
He additionally noted that the business model of an obese-specific gym evokes thoughts of the women-only model employed by the Curves franchise.
Not everyone is on board, however.
Lisa Tealer, a board member for the National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance in Foster City, Calif., said that she has “strong concerns” over a gym that separates overweight and obese people from people of average weights and statures.
“I [worry] about a gym that is basing its business model, services and membership on size discrimination, in this case to average size women,” Tealer, a former health club owner herself, told CBS Sacramento. “The health cub I owned was a weight neutral, body positive, health club, where women were not judged based on shape or size of their bodies. We had staff that reflected size diversity and equipment that could be adjusted to accommodate a variety of body sizes.”
In regards to other options, Gowens noted that patrons who tried to work out at home said they often found themselves in close proximity with family, friends, significant others or roommates who were sympathetic to their health goals, but ultimately not supportive due to their reluctance to alter their own habits.
And when those clients tried to go to conventional gyms, they did not fare much better.
“Some [of our clients] said that when they went to the gym, they would get to the parking lot and sit there. It was as close as they could go,” Gowens recalled. “They felt out-of-place.”
He added, “It really motivates everyone [at our gym] to see … someone else having the same experience.”
Tealer agreed that there are potential merits to such a business model, but ultimately feels that it creates a discriminatory environment aimed in the other direction.
“While I commend the attempt to create a judgment-free environment, where fat women feel comfortable, it should not be at the expense of average size women,” she said.
Arent additionally pointed out the “reverse discrimination” element of obese-only gyms.
“There’s a different societal issue there,” he said. “But if it gives [obese people] an exercise program that works for them, I see nothing wrong with that part.”
Arent also noted that the quality of the program is just as important as the environment, if not more so.
“It’ll be interesting to see where it goes. If someone is that overweight, are they people that enjoy working out in the first place?” he said. “It depends on the qualifications of the staff. It’s not just the environment, but also the quality of the programs offered
Multiple reports have surfaced recently about gyms that cater exclusively to zaftig clients looking to lose weight in a place free of potential judgment from other, smaller patrons.
Though some all-inclusive gyms have attempted in the past to create a safe haven for anyone interested in exercising – for example, Planet Fitness, a national chain of gyms with a “judgment-free” motto and mentality – some creators of obese-only gyms feel it’s not enough.
Fitness facilities throughout the United States and Canada are adopting the obese-only idea in the hopes of removing intimidation from the exercise equation.
One such business is Downsize Fitness, with locations in Las Vegas, Chicago and Dallas. They are self-described as a gym “developed specifically with chronically overweight and obese individuals in mind.”
Chris Gowens, co-founder of Downsize Fitness, told CBS Sacramento that he formerly served as the personal trainer of the gym’s other founder, and the two talked extensively about his former client’s apprehension to go to a public gym.
“Most people can’t afford a personal trainer … and never feel comfortable going to the gym,” he said. “The idea [for Downsize Fitness] was borne out of that. We thought it would be a good idea to open a gym tailored to overweight people, to create an environment that’s more welcoming and less intimidating.”
Other gyms with the same idea include Body Exchange in Vancouver, Square One in Omaha, Neb., and Buddha Body Yoga in New York City.
Shawn Arent, an associate professor for the Department of Exercise Science and Sport Studies at Rutgers University, told CBS Sacramento that any program with the potential to motivate obese people to pursue a healthier lifestyle is a program worthy of a chance.
“Anything that gets people moving is a good idea at this point, considering what we’re dealing with in terms of an obesity epidemic,” he said, adding that those put off by the notion of judgmental work-out companions are not alone. “The barrier people are talking about here is social physique anxiety, or nervousness about what others observe and perceive about a person in a certain environment.”
He additionally noted that the business model of an obese-specific gym evokes thoughts of the women-only model employed by the Curves franchise.
Not everyone is on board, however.
Lisa Tealer, a board member for the National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance in Foster City, Calif., said that she has “strong concerns” over a gym that separates overweight and obese people from people of average weights and statures.
“I [worry] about a gym that is basing its business model, services and membership on size discrimination, in this case to average size women,” Tealer, a former health club owner herself, told CBS Sacramento. “The health cub I owned was a weight neutral, body positive, health club, where women were not judged based on shape or size of their bodies. We had staff that reflected size diversity and equipment that could be adjusted to accommodate a variety of body sizes.”
In regards to other options, Gowens noted that patrons who tried to work out at home said they often found themselves in close proximity with family, friends, significant others or roommates who were sympathetic to their health goals, but ultimately not supportive due to their reluctance to alter their own habits.
And when those clients tried to go to conventional gyms, they did not fare much better.
“Some [of our clients] said that when they went to the gym, they would get to the parking lot and sit there. It was as close as they could go,” Gowens recalled. “They felt out-of-place.”
He added, “It really motivates everyone [at our gym] to see … someone else having the same experience.”
Tealer agreed that there are potential merits to such a business model, but ultimately feels that it creates a discriminatory environment aimed in the other direction.
“While I commend the attempt to create a judgment-free environment, where fat women feel comfortable, it should not be at the expense of average size women,” she said.
Arent additionally pointed out the “reverse discrimination” element of obese-only gyms.
“There’s a different societal issue there,” he said. “But if it gives [obese people] an exercise program that works for them, I see nothing wrong with that part.”
Arent also noted that the quality of the program is just as important as the environment, if not more so.
“It’ll be interesting to see where it goes. If someone is that overweight, are they people that enjoy working out in the first place?” he said. “It depends on the qualifications of the staff. It’s not just the environment, but also the quality of the programs offered
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I think it's ridiculous that they're worried about "potential judgment" from "smaller patrons." Isn't that a form of judgment itself? You assume because someone is lean and fit that they're judging you because you aren't?
What I honestly think they are doing is trying to capitalize on the fact that most "chronically overweight and obese" people are going to pay their membership fees and then stop showing up after a couple of weeks. The fewer paying members who bother to show up and use the gym, the less frequently that equipment has to be replaced, the fewer staff members they need to hire, the more new memberships that can be issued, etc.0 -
So what happens if you are obese and then get into shape? Do you have to go to a new gym?0
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I think it's ridiculous that they're worried about "potential judgment" from "smaller patrons." Isn't that a form of judgment itself? You assume because someone is lean and fit that they're judging you because you aren't?0
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I can understand how you would feel more a sense of comradery and feeling less self conscious. But what happens when the 'fat' person gets thinner? Do they get kicked out too? :S
I can't say I dont like the idea, there are alot of things in life that cater only to thin people so hey why not, seems like a generally good idea.
*** oops didnt realize my question had already been asked! Yeah I'm really curious about that... lol :S0 -
Strictly from a marketing perspective this is pure genius. Overweight people don't usually go to regular gyms because of the humiliation of being around fit people who they feel will judge them. By catering to this group only they can target market these folks by offering them a "safe" environment to work out in.
I would not be surprised if this is highly successful...0 -
So what happens if you are obese and then get into shape? Do you have to go to a new gym?
My thoughts exactly! They're gonna stop taking your money when you get to goal!?0 -
Somebody starts a business you don't approve of? Great, don't go. Take your money elsewhere. End of.0
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I will re-iterate the OP's title.....Now I've seen everything!
What is the world coming to...0 -
So because one person posts a thread on one website about judging fat people, that means everyone does?
I used to be fat. I worked my *kitten* off not to be. I don't judge anyone for going to the gym and working hard. I don't care if that person is trying to lose 10 lbs or 100+. Why should I be barred from attending a certain gym just because I was actually successful at losing weight? Sounds about like the forums here lately ... only overweight and uninformed people allowed, because if you're in shape and actually know what you're talking about, no one wants to hear what you think.0 -
So because one person posts a thread on one website about judging fat people, that means everyone does?
I used to be fat. I worked my *kitten* off not to be. I don't judge anyone for going to the gym and working hard. I don't care if that person is trying to lose 10 lbs or 100+. Why should I be barred from attending a certain gym just because I was actually successful at losing weight? Sounds about like the forums here lately ... only overweight and uninformed people allowed, because if you're in shape and actually know what you're talking about, no one wants to hear what you think.
Hmmm - I am not reading that though - I am reading that these gyms are starting strictly to cater to this market - not existing gyms banning fit people (which would be stupid business-wise). I see this no differently than "Curves" who caters to women who do not wish to be ogled by gym-rats and meat-heads at regular co-ed gyms...0 -
That's what the article said though. They are catering to people who are uncomfortable working out with "smaller patrons" because of the "potential judgment."
Besides, as I said before, catering to "chronically overweight and obese" people is not about trying to provide a judgment-free environment. Planet Fitness is full of crap on that, as well. They're targeting people who will be excited about working out for a few weeks until they realize how much of a commitment it requires, and then they'll quit. That's why these places either charge a ridiculous initiation fee or make you agree to a minimum 1-year membership. So if you decide to stop going, they're still going to get their money.0 -
National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance? wtfbbq...0
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I can't wait for the medium sized people to start judging the heavy ones.0
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Meh, there's an *kitten* for every seat. If the gym is successful, they obviously found a need and filled it.0
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In some ways I do get it because a lot of obese people feel judged in a gym- which is silly because I've been 300lbs in a gym and didn't really care - plus no one ever judged me and if they did- that's their issue-
with that being said- what happens when you have a person who was obese, loses weight and is at a lower weight? Do they get kicked out? I don't get that particular part.0 -
So what happens if you are obese and then get into shape? Do you have to go to a new gym?
No, to counter this they'll have free pizza Tuesday and Thursday and hand out candy bars at the exit to reward people for a job well done. Planet Fitness is halfway there to doing just this. Free pizza on some Mondays and free tootsie rolls at the front desk.
Genius!0 -
Whats next...
Whites only gym?0 -
So what happens if you are obese and then get into shape? Do you have to go to a new gym?
No, to counter this they'll have free pizza Tuesday and Thursday and hand out candy bars at the exit to reward people for a job well done. Planet Fitness is halfway there to doing just this. Free pizza on some Mondays and free tootsie rolls at the front desk.
Genius!
Man, you are right, they ARE geniuses! Evil geniuses!0 -
i think these are good idea if it helps motivate people to get in the gym . these type gyms might be partnered with other gyms so that once you got to fit and thin to go top one gym, maybe you could go to another they own for th same price.
i honestly would LOVE to go to a yoga studio where the instructors have larger bodies. there are several poses I just cant do well not because i dont have the flexibility but because my parts of my large body get in the way.
a few months ago, i essentially got fat shamed in a yoga class. we did the plow pose. i'm able to do it but i cant have my legs straight behind me because my chest and stomach will cut off my air supply, so i get around that by moving my leg to the side of my head. when the instructor walked around she even quietly said to me "nice modification"
right after class some old cow on almost the opposite side of the room who wasnt even the instructor called me out and said i wasnt doing it the movement right. i told her to mind her own f'ing business and let her know that if she was so busy looking at me then she would have noticed i'm fat and i'd pass out from lack of oxygen if i had all that body covering my nose and mouth. of course my f bomb after a peaceful yoga class didnt go over well but i was PISSED that she felt the need to embarrass me. :mad:0 -
*headdesk*0
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So what happens if you are obese and then get into shape? Do you have to go to a new gym?
No, to counter this they'll have free pizza Tuesday and Thursday and hand out candy bars at the exit to reward people for a job well done. Planet Fitness is halfway there to doing just this. Free pizza on some Mondays and free tootsie rolls at the front desk.
Genius!
Man, you are right, they ARE geniuses! Evil geniuses!
The philosophy of Plant Fitness and pizza day is the everything in moderation stand point. They are trying to make a point that you can have a cheat meal 1 day a month and it won't kill your diet. They aren't forcing you to eat it and it isn't like you would sit down there and eat a whole pizza.
FYI I do not go there but I do know an owner of one.0 -
So what happens if you are obese and then get into shape? Do you have to go to a new gym?
"You lost 100 lbs. GTFO!!!"0 -
So because one person posts a thread on one website about judging fat people, that means everyone does?
I used to be fat. I worked my *kitten* off not to be. I don't judge anyone for going to the gym and working hard. I don't care if that person is trying to lose 10 lbs or 100+. Why should I be barred from attending a certain gym just because I was actually successful at losing weight? Sounds about like the forums here lately ... only overweight and uninformed people allowed, because if you're in shape and actually know what you're talking about, no one wants to hear what you think.
You're basing your entire response on what you personally do. *You* don't judge people while at the gym because you've been there, however as a morbidly obese woman looking to get fit, I can honestly say that I *have* been judged at a gym. Some people were even so blatantly disgusted that they went so far as to state their distaste with my size within hearing distance as if I weren't even there. This didn't happen at just one gym, but two. Granted, these were young women (younger than my 24), but it's still dumbfounding when it happens. The looks people give you, the way you have to adjust the machines and hope they'll fit you, etc., is embarrassing for many and makes people not want to go. As much as I try not to let people's judgments and whatnot get to me, it can still hurt. So, just because you don't do something doesn't mean others wont. Not everyone in a gym is coming from your perspective. Just because I don't bash skinny/healthy women doesn't mean others don't and it's the same in reverse. You are not the end all and be all of the gym atmosphere, sorry.
I agree with most others here that as a business model, this is brilliant from a marketing perspective. I am also unsure as to what happens to those that lose the weight and reach their goals. My guess would be that if they were willing, they'd be turned into a marketed success story for the gym and perhaps the gym will allow you to stay as inspiration to the others, since you'll have bonded with others while there. If that's not the case, they may have a reward system set up or something where they'll pay your membership fee for the first month to another gym in the area or something, depending on prices, or maybe up to half of it. Who knows. All I know is, if one opened up here I'd probably be inclined to join it. No one likes to be the odd one out. It's only natural to want to fit in. Why bash it just because it doesn't fit in with your ideals? What works for you doesn't always work for everyone else.0 -
So if I they only accept those that are overweight and obese, is there like some scale test before you can pay? Also, are the workers and trainers overweight and obese? I mean some of the most amazing looking people at my old gym (LTF) were people that worked there.
I guess I don't get it.0 -
So because one person posts a thread on one website about judging fat people, that means everyone does?
I used to be fat. I worked my *kitten* off not to be. I don't judge anyone for going to the gym and working hard. I don't care if that person is trying to lose 10 lbs or 100+. Why should I be barred from attending a certain gym just because I was actually successful at losing weight? Sounds about like the forums here lately ... only overweight and uninformed people allowed, because if you're in shape and actually know what you're talking about, no one wants to hear what you think.
You're basing your entire response on what you personally do. *You* don't judge people while at the gym because you've been there, however as a morbidly obese woman looking to get fit, I can honestly say that I *have* been judged at a gym. Some people were even so blatantly disgusted that they went so far as to state their distaste with my size within hearing distance as if I weren't even there. This didn't happen at just one gym, but two. Granted, these were young women (younger than my 24), but it's still dumbfounding when it happens. The looks people give you, the way you have to adjust the machines and hope they'll fit you, etc., is embarrassing for many and makes people not want to go. As much as I try not to let people's judgments and whatnot get to me, it can still hurt. So, just because you don't do something doesn't mean others wont. Not everyone in a gym is coming from your perspective. Just because I don't bash skinny/healthy women doesn't mean others don't and it's the same in reverse. You are not the end all and be all of the gym atmosphere, sorry.
I agree with most others here that as a business model, this is brilliant from a marketing perspective. I am also unsure as to what happens to those that lose the weight and reach their goals. My guess would be that if they were willing, they'd be turned into a marketed success story for the gym and perhaps the gym will allow you to stay as inspiration to the others, since you'll have bonded with others while there. If that's not the case, they may have a reward system set up or something where they'll pay your membership fee for the first month to another gym in the area or something, depending on prices, or maybe up to half of it. Who knows. All I know is, if one opened up here I'd probably be inclined to join it. No one likes to be the odd one out. It's only natural to want to fit in. Why bash it just because it doesn't fit in with your ideals? What works for you doesn't always work for everyone else.
Someone who is 50 pounds overweight would be just as likely to judge someone 100+ pounds overweight as a thin person would be. And they would be in the same gym.
So... A. Suck it up, realize you're (literally) working your *kitten* off and keep on keeping on or B. Report any rude *kitten* that you may come across (or learn some snappy comebacks) because there are always people there to judge you or look down on you for anything.0 -
i think these are good idea if it helps motivate people to get in the gym . these type gyms might be partnered with other gyms so that once you got to fit and thin to go top one gym, maybe you could go to another they own for th same price.
i honestly would LOVE to go to a yoga studio where the instructors have larger bodies. there are several poses I just cant do well not because i dont have the flexibility but because my parts of my large body get in the way.
a few months ago, i essentially got fat shamed in a yoga class. we did the plow pose. i'm able to do it but i cant have my legs straight behind me because my chest and stomach will cut off my air supply, so i get around that by moving my leg to the side of my head. when the instructor walked around she even quietly said to me "nice modification"
right after class some old cow on almost the opposite side of the room who wasnt even the instructor called me out and said i wasnt doing it the movement right. i told her to mind her own f'ing business and let her know that if she was so busy looking at me then she would have noticed i'm fat and i'd pass out from lack of oxygen if i had all that body covering my nose and mouth. of course my f bomb after a peaceful yoga class didnt go over well but i was PISSED that she felt the need to embarrass me. :mad:
How super rude of that lady!!! I go to a gym at work and both of the yoga instructors are on the overweight side of the BMI scale. They both give modifications for positions and help you if you are struggling in a pose. I also cannot complete the plow pose in the "correct" form. I feel like my lungs are being crushed and my back is about to break. I normally modify with a shoulder stand and sometimes against the mirror.0 -
I don't see anything wrong with it. If bein scared about being judged keeps people from working out in a gym and they would feel comfortable in a place like this and actually get up and go, then more power to it.0
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So what happens if you are obese and then get into shape? Do you have to go to a new gym?
"You lost 100 lbs. GTFO!!!"
:laugh:
Buh-bye!0 -
I'm planning on opening a gym that separates poser *kitten* frome people who actually want to work out. How's that for a business model?0
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I am fat. I judge fat people.
You can be fat and be a rude asshat, too, you know. And you can be thin and be sweet as pie.
Why am I not surprised AT ALL that this comes out of libtard California, land of pansies and hurt feelings?
Wow - you use the word LIBTARD??? Really?0
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