For cryin' out loud. I eat pasta, fast food and ice cream!
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What the hell is "clean" food anyway? Every time I think something's clean I get attacked saying that nooooo that'll make you faaaaat. I wash my veggies before cooking them, does that make them clean? Maybe I should just drink water for the rest of my life, unless well water will make me fat too.
Clean food is food that is right out of the ground. Or food that has a parent.
So meat, fruit and veggies and that's it? No olive oil? No natural cheeses? No bread at all? Even whole grain breads? Not a lot of room for variety.
lmao no one is attacking you...we are just trying to explain our opinion on why we eat that way...you are the one saying that we are going to burn down stuff...lmao. any way eating clean can mean different things to different people just like moderation can mean different things just like low carb can mean different things...etc. MY personal way is the 10 way. I either eat fresh meat, veggies, fruits, cheeses and grains, or if i have to buy something that i cant get fresh it has to have 10 ingredients or less and i have to know what they all are. if i cant pronounce something or i don't know what it is/where it comes from well then i wont get it. it makes it pretty easy for me, and i feel better with it.0 -
Amen sistah!0
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THAT MAKES NO SENSE! Everything I eat is followed EXACTLY off the nutrition info on the package. And everything I eat is WEIGHED ON A SCALE according to SERVING SIZE ON PACKAGE
Do you eat food that does not come in a box or a bag? Food that can't be scanned by the MFP bar code scanner on the app? Not trying to be rude. Just curious.
By that statement alone that means I wouldn't be able to eat whole grain pasta, cheese, loaves of bread. Golly, all those things come in boxes and bags!
I eat plenty of things that come in bags and boxes too (rice, beans, pasta, cheese, bread, etc.)
My question was more: if you make a meal from scratch *not* everything on that ingredients list has to come from a box or a bag. It can come from a farmer's market (and yes, plenty of those markets sell breads, cheeses, meat, fish).
When something is pre-made and you eat it out of a box or a bag (made in a factory) it is different than if you made it yourself. Clean eating involves eating things you make with your own two hands.0 -
You might be losing weight, but that doesn't mean you're healthy for eating all that junk food, everyday.0
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What the hell is "clean" food anyway? Every time I think something's clean I get attacked saying that nooooo that'll make you faaaaat. I wash my veggies before cooking them, does that make them clean? Maybe I should just drink water for the rest of my life, unless well water will make me fat too.
Clean food is food that is right out of the ground. Or food that has a parent.
How can meat be a clean food? One hamburger can contain body parts from 100 different cows and then is washed with ammonia! I guess eating ammonia is clean! LOL0 -
What the hell is "clean" food anyway? Every time I think something's clean I get attacked saying that nooooo that'll make you faaaaat. I wash my veggies before cooking them, does that make them clean? Maybe I should just drink water for the rest of my life, unless well water will make me fat too.
Clean food is food that is right out of the ground. Or food that has a parent.
So meat, fruit and veggies and that's it? No olive oil? No natural cheeses? No bread at all? Even whole grain breads? Not a lot of room for variety.
Olive oil, cheese and bread are all processed, therefore they are bad for you. Pretty simple actually
Jesus, I wouldn't be able to survive without those things. I may as well drink water and never eat again.
And Onesnap just said that those things are acceptable in clean eating. WTF? Which one is right? If you can't even agree amongst each other, how can I understand what the hell clean eating even is? 0 -
What the hell is "clean" food anyway? Every time I think something's clean I get attacked saying that nooooo that'll make you faaaaat. I wash my veggies before cooking them, does that make them clean? Maybe I should just drink water for the rest of my life, unless well water will make me fat too.
Clean food is food that is right out of the ground. Or food that has a parent.
So meat, fruit and veggies and that's it? No olive oil? No natural cheeses? No bread at all? Even whole grain breads? Not a lot of room for variety.
Ummm....Olive oil comes from olives, which come off trees, which are from the ground......Cheese is a product of an animal that had a parent......whole grains, again, come out of the ground.
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But those aren't clean foods,therefore you're destroying your health
I am gonna go ahead and take up for the OP here. I don't think she's saying she eats these "normal, bad for you" foods all the time. I think she's just saying, if she wants it, she will eat it. In moderation. You can be healthy without eating clean all the time. Then there are those freaks-of-nature who eat fast food and take out all the time and are still perfectly healthy when they go to the doctor for blood work. Every person is different but don't take what she's saying and blow it out of proportion. She is just saying she doesn't deprive herself of treats if she wants them. There is nothing wrong with that in moderation.0 -
I read some of this, and I'm just shocked at how harsh people can be from all sides of the fence.
If it works for someone, great.
If it works for you, great.
Don't force your goals/dreams/aspirations/ideals onto other people.
I eat what I eat, I'm happy with it, my goals are not what other's goals are, and I leave it at that. I won't be bullied by anyone about who I want to be. I'm not saying I'm taking this thread personally, I just hope others take what they want to do and do it, regardless what anyone else says.0 -
That is how I am. I don't think I could completely cut out all those things. I would NEVER be able to keep that up for the rest of my life. My goal is to eat in a way I can eat for the rest of my life. So clean, healthy 80% of the time at least is kind of the goal. And the rest I can fit in a bit of ice cream or a slice of pizza every now and then.0
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THAT MAKES NO SENSE! Everything I eat is followed EXACTLY off the nutrition info on the package. And everything I eat is WEIGHED ON A SCALE according to SERVING SIZE ON PACKAGE
Do you eat food that does not come in a box or a bag? Food that can't be scanned by the MFP bar code scanner on the app? Not trying to be rude. Just curious.
By that statement alone that means I wouldn't be able to eat whole grain pasta, cheese, loaves of bread. Golly, all those things come in boxes and bags!
I eat plenty of things that come in bags and boxes too (rice, beans, pasta, cheese, bread, etc.)
My question was more: if you make a meal from scratch *not* everything on that ingredients list has to come from a box or a bag. It can come from a farmer's market (and yes, plenty of those markets sell breads, cheeses, meat, fish).
When something is pre-made and you eat it out of a box or a bag (made in a factory) it is different than if you made it yourself. Clean eating involves eating things you make with your own two hands.
If you paid attention to anything I posted in here, I clearly said these are not things I eat EVERY DAY nor would I ever. I cook my own meals at home every day and pack my lunch every day for work. I said that these are things that I splurge on.0 -
Good for you, skinny doesn't mean heathy though ... Just sayin' ...
In MY case, it does. I have Rheumitoid arthritis, OsteoArthritis, COPD, Pulmonary Hypertension, and I am morbidly obese.
So, skinny for me IS healthy
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Honestly, people on both sides of the argument get results.
Some people just want to be a little healthier on the inside.
Other people's food choices shouldn't really bother us. Meh.0 -
I'm so tired of seeing "I can't eat pasta. I can't eat fast food. I can't eat ice cream. I can't eat fruit. I can't have this. I can't have that."
Seriously. This is why people don't "diet" because they think they're only going to live on lettuce and nuts.
I eat pasta.
I drank booze (can't now because I'm pregnant).
I eat ice cream EVERY DAY. Yes, EVERY SINGLE DAY (and have for 7 months now)
I eat fast food.
Heck, I'll even have that 1000 calorie burrito from Chipotle.
And yes! I LOST WEIGHT. And how did I do it?
BY WORKING MY *kitten* OFF.
Did I really want that burrito? You bet I did. But I exercised to earn it.
Do I REALLY eat ice cream EVERY DAY? Sure do. I remember the days I would down half a container of Breyer's. Not anymore. The key is portion control. I get the Skinny Cow. Actually, right now I have full fat, full calorie TRIPLE CHOCOLATE DRUMSTICKS in my freezer. I had one last night, and golly, I made it fit into my plan.
*gasp* PASTA?! OH NO. Yes, I eat pasta and I do regularly. I'll usually have 1.5-2 servings of cheese ravioli WITH sauce PLUS vegetables with butter!
My macros are set at 45-35-20 and I hit them almost every day on point with calories to spare at the end of the day! Today - my macros came all to 0 at the end of the day.
You CAN eat all the "evil" foods. It's not a "diet", it's a LIFESTYLE CHANGE and the key to a lifestyle change is to enjoy everything you enjoy, but to adapt them in a way to make them fit into your new lifestyle.
I agree with the overall tone of your post, but stuffing your face with the unhealthy stuff is OBVIOUSLY not healthy.1000 calories worth of hamburger helper is NOT THE SAME AS 1000 calories worth of chicken, fish, fresh veggies, etc. An occasional slice of pizza or a beer is not the end of the world, but don't encourage people to fill their 'gas tanks' with mud, not fuel.
If you're here to lose weight and health is not something you're concerned about, by all means...0 -
AMEN!! If you don't cheat on a diet, you will sabotage your efforts by binging! This is a proven fact! Thank you for sharing this because everyone needs to let go every now and then and eat what they want. The key is exercise and portion sizes.
I'll have to let my paleo (and even a some "clean"-eating non-paleo) friends know that they've been doing it wrong for 1-6+ years.
Dang. They're going to be really disappointed to learn that what we thought was actual success is inevitably going to end in a horrible binge session that will completely undo all of the progress (both scale and even more importantly, non-scale). Proven fact, even.
Well, I'm glad that's behind me. Now I can get back to eating foods that conveniently have a UPC to make logging in MFP easier.0 -
Is there anyone who is NOT currently losing weight, but maintaining a healthy and athletic body who wants to contribute to the "regularly eating junk food is okay" side of this argument?
I'm not sure those people exist
That's what I'm trying to figure out... Just curious
Regularly eating it means what? Once a day, once a week, once a month?
I probably eat junk food once or twice a week. I also drink almost every weekend. I am not trying to lose weight. I am healthy and in shape. What's the point here?0 -
Olive oil, cheese and bread are all processed, therefore they are bad for you. Pretty simple actually
Tell that to cultures on the planet where people live longer than anywhere else. Places like the islands off Greece. Iceland. Japan. Places where for generations people have eaten local, regional food...yes, including olive oil, cheese, and bread...and they live WAY longer and healthier than other places.
A life without olive oil, cheese, and bread is not a life I'm interested in living.0 -
While I'm pretty good most of the time if I really fancy a cake or chocolate etc then I will eat it and just make sure it's burned off. I think if you're really craving it not eating it will make you feel worse than eating it and knowing you burnt it off again! I understand where you're coming from, there's more to life than salad
everything in moderation is key! 0 -
Thank you all for the lively debate.
Gonna go to the gym now and then follow it off by a Big Mac meal from Mickie D's.
Why? Because this pregnant girl has a craving for it and I already planned it into my day!0 -
Is there anyone who is NOT currently losing weight, but maintaining a healthy and athletic body who wants to contribute to the "regularly eating junk food is okay" side of this argument?
I'm not sure those people exist
That's what I'm trying to figure out... Just curious
Regularly eating it means what? Once a day, once a week, once a month?
I probably eat junk food once or twice a week. I also drink almost every weekend. I am not trying to lose weight. I am healthy and in shape. What's the point here?
I'm with you on that. I eat junk food and treats in moderation and I've always been a healthy weight (and an active person). 0 -
When I eat clean, I don't have cravings, I don't feel a compulsion to snack, feel overall better and I seem to get satisfied well within my recommended calories (so counting them is a none issue).
Before eating clean, I had to manage my cravings, make "sacrifices" and have "will power" I also was irritable, fatigued and was obsessively counting calories.
Whatever works for you and gets the job done is fine, but I don't understand the weird need to imply that clean eating has some kind of 'flaw' in it. Look, if you want eat a candybar and stay within you calories, fine, but acknowledge it for was it is, a treat, and not imply that it was a crucial move to make a superior health choice to a banana.0 -
So interesting to read all the back-biting and bickering here. Everybody just do what you want to do. Honestly-for cryin' out loud, who really cares?0
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Thank you all for the lively debate.
Gonna go to the gym now and then follow it off by a Big Mac meal from Mickie D's.
Why? Because this pregnant girl has a craving for it and I already planned it into my day!
No offense but I feel sorry for you. At least have a burger that is not factory farmed. Why not get a burger and fries from a small family owned restaurant? Or make it at home?0 -
Is there anyone who is NOT currently losing weight, but maintaining a healthy and athletic body who wants to contribute to the "regularly eating junk food is okay" side of this argument?
I'm not sure those people exist
That's what I'm trying to figure out... Just curious
So in order to have a healthy body, it has to be athletic?0 -
But those aren't clean foods,therefore you're destroying your health
This is the way I feel too. I won't put anyone down for feeling otherwise, but it's not the lifestyle I choose to live. For me, it's more about WHAT I put in my body and knowing where it came from, how it was processed, etc.
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When I eat clean, I don't have cravings, I don't feel a compulsion to snack, feel overall better and I seem to get satisfied well within my recommended calories (so counting them is a none issue).
Before eating clean, I had to manage my cravings, make "sacrifices" and have "will power" I also was irritable, fatigued and was obsessively counting calories.
Whatever works for you and gets the job done is fine, but I don't understand the weird need to imply that clean eating has some kind of 'flaw' in it. Look, if you want eat a candybar and stay within you calories, fine, but acknowledge it for was it is, a treat, and not imply that it was a crucial move to make a superior health choice to a banana.
Very well put. I'm never hungry on this program because I eat as clean as possible.0 -
Dunno why people are arguing though, because *most* of this thread I see a symposium of good points on both sides, and they don't necessarily conflict:
-it's better not to eat processed foods very often
-you can still eat junk and be skinny if you control calories but you won't be healthy
-but you will be healthier than if you ate tons of junk every day and become obese
-everyone has different idea of healthy foods, some foods that are healthy for one body aren't healthy for another
(I consider steaks and white rice healthy but whole wheat bread unhealthy, because of how my own body handles the foods!)
-you are what you eat. your body breaks down the lipid and polymers you eat and uses the parts to make energy and stuff you are made of (easy explanation). if you eat chemicals it has to put those somewhere too.
-sometimes you want a giant slice of cake, so you eat it. It won't make you fat if you don't make it a habit or consider it something your body needs to thrive (not just survive)
See, almost everyone is right! Yay!
edit: I can't spell worth a darn, yay for being a science major. x)0 -
What the hell is "clean" food anyway? Every time I think something's clean I get attacked saying that nooooo that'll make you faaaaat. I wash my veggies before cooking them, does that make them clean? Maybe I should just drink water for the rest of my life, unless well water will make me fat too.
Clean food is food that is right out of the ground. Or food that has a parent.
So meat, fruit and veggies and that's it? No olive oil? No natural cheeses? No bread at all? Even whole grain breads? Not a lot of room for variety.
lmao no one is attacking you...we are just trying to explain our opinion on why we eat that way...you are the one saying that we are going to burn down stuff...lmao. any way eating clean can mean different things to different people just like moderation can mean different things just like low carb can mean different things...etc. MY personal way is the 10 way. I either eat fresh meat, veggies, fruits, cheeses and grains, or if i have to buy something that i cant get fresh it has to have 10 ingredients or less and i have to know what they all are. if i cant pronounce something or i don't know what it is/where it comes from well then i wont get it. it makes it pretty easy for me, and i feel better with it.
But what if you have a great vocabulary and can pronounce most words? That never worked for me as I learned how to pronounce the chemical names. I just feel like a horrible ugly fat person now who will never be good enough or beautiful. Apparently I must have lost almost 60 pounds from magic because I don't eat 100% clean. I thought I had this all figured out but apparently I don't. Please teach me oh wise ones for I'm a ****ing moron.
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Thank you all for the lively debate.
Gonna go to the gym now and then follow it off by a Big Mac meal from Mickie D's.
Why? Because this pregnant girl has a craving for it and I already planned it into my day!
No offense but I feel sorry for you. At least have a burger that is not factory farmed. Why not get a burger and fries from a small family owned restaurant? Or make it at home?
Cuz as soon as I finished working out and showering and all that I have an ob/gyn appointment. No time right now to make a home cooked burger.0 -
me too. I exercise everyday because it makes me feel great and cause I love to eat a big dinner. I have been having trouble staying on target, but I usually do okay.0
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