Freelee the Banana Girl...SMH
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Jen_Travels wrote: »I actually like Freelee a lot...she's found something that works for her. And it not only works for her, it works for thousands of others. It's slightly hypocritical for you to be saying to watch out for her based on her dietary choices. It's basically you saying she's wrong and you know better than she does. Which seems to be why you'r putting her down.
She clearly states in many of her videos that she is not a medical professional, just that she's done a lot of research and tells things like they are based on her own experiences. If those videos help someone find what works for them, that's awesome!
I've definitely learned several things from her, 801010, and the HCRV lifestyle...was going all out 100% in that direction for me, no...but did it have a lot of positive takeaways for my life and health...heck yes.
Just think about how you go about your heavy handed judgement...there is nothing wrong with someone touting a system that works for them...and her lifestyle certainly leaves nothing out nutritionally.
I'm not even saying just her dietary choices (which again are scary if she's saying protein is bad/evil)...
She and her boyfriend accuse everyone of being wrong because they choose not to follow their diet...and that certain foods (like protein or animal based foods) are all toxic and this is why we're all fat.
Anyone with such all or nothing judgement weirds me out.
Seriously. They body shame people all the time, and I remember reading a screencap of his Instagram on tumblr where he was saying that cooking oil is pure fat, and you will gain pure fat from it. And he also body shamed someone in that post.
They are the last people I would turn to for a positive and insightful experience regarding their dietary choices. The only raw vegan I like is the woman who runs "Raw. Vegan. Not Gross." on Youtube. I'm not a raw vegan (or a vegan at all), but I've actually incorporated her recipes into my life because she's such a non-judgmental (incorporates technically non-raw ingredients sometimes), explains the nutritional benefits of ingredients she's using, and doesn't seem fake. Not like the two of them.0 -
Touting an all natural diet - fine, you go on with your bad selves.
Saying chemo is bad - say it if you want.
Periods are bad and toxic and not neccessary - if you need to say it, say it.
But then don't pretend that your fake tittys were medically necessary. Nope. Fake breasts have NEVER been medically necessary. Get a f*cking grip. I don't see the correlation of buying only organic food BECAUSE PESTICIDES when you have 4lbs of silicone surgically put into your body.
She did a thing about her abortion back in the day. Someone asked if she regretted it - and Durian Rider chimed in with "OF COURSE SHE DOESNT REGRET IT LOOK AT HER BODY IT WOULD HAVE BEEN RUINED WITH GETTING FAT AND PREGNANT".
Not wanting to open up a whole other can of worms or anything...but touting animals emotions and feelings then removing your own baby... (foetus, whatever you want to call it and regardless of your opinion on abortion, it seems vastly hypocritical to me to be such a militant vegan and then go through with a termination)
They are less about helping the planet and more about helping themselves and how they look.
It's the narrow-minded, hypocritical, militant way they project themselves that makes me JUST CAN'T EVEN.
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Yeah, Freelee and Harley grate on my nerves. I don't mind the other raw foodie videos.0
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I'm not even as annoyed with their diet practices...I am not here to judge...do I believe it's optimal? No-but I'm also not putting videos on YouTube insisting that it is and that others are ridiculous or stupid for not doing exactly what I do...am I?
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I'm definitely not annoyed with her dieting practices, that isn't my business. I'm angry at the fact that not only does she push it on others, she forces it on others and shames them when they do not follow her advice. Trisha Paytas, one of the youtubers I follow, was singled out by Freelee. I think at this point she is just looking for attention and will say the most controversial things in order to be seen by the public. The best thing we can do about this persistent little problem is to ignore it.
We can't help ignorant people.0 -
kati_nicole wrote: »I'm definitely not annoyed with her dieting practices, that isn't my business. I'm angry at the fact that not only does she push it on others, she forces it on others and shames them when they do not follow her advice. Trisha Paytas, one of the youtubers I follow, was singled out by Freelee. I think at this point she is just looking for attention and will say the most controversial things in order to be seen by the public. The best thing we can do about this persistent little problem is to ignore it.
We can't help ignorant people.
She also disses Cassey Ho...AT LENGTH-she has an entire episode dedicated to it...Cassey is in better shape than she is and her diet is a bit more balanced...
Excluding protein to me is a huge red flag.
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I thought she had some useful information until I saw her thigh gap video. That's when I realized that she doesn't actually know what she's talking about and I couldn't take her seriously. At best, if you're into veganism or healthy smoothies or things of that nature, you can get some good ideas/recipes from her channel, but I definitely wouldn't pay attention to her beyond that.0
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JazzFischer1989 wrote: »I thought she had some useful information until I saw her thigh gap video. That's when I realized that she doesn't actually know what she's talking about and I couldn't take her seriously. At best, if you're into veganism or healthy smoothies or things of that nature, you can get some good ideas/recipes from her channel, but I definitely wouldn't pay attention to her beyond that.
Yeppp. Especially with the volumes of food she encourages sometimes. It almost seems like a form of heavily regulated binge eating at some points.
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missiontofitness wrote: »JazzFischer1989 wrote: »I thought she had some useful information until I saw her thigh gap video. That's when I realized that she doesn't actually know what she's talking about and I couldn't take her seriously. At best, if you're into veganism or healthy smoothies or things of that nature, you can get some good ideas/recipes from her channel, but I definitely wouldn't pay attention to her beyond that.
Yeppp. Especially with the volumes of food she encourages sometimes. It almost seems like a form of heavily regulated binge eating at some points.
I actually got the same sense. I've seen her brag about eating 3-4,000 calories a day and I've watched a video of hers where she ate ~1,200 cals worth of pasta in one sitting.
I dunno, she has a history of eating disorders and it's not uncommon for people who recover from mental illness or addictions to transfer the focus of their obsession from one thing to another. I can't analyze her thru the computer screen or whatever but that's what it all looks like to me.0 -
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JazzFischer1989 wrote: »missiontofitness wrote: »JazzFischer1989 wrote: »I thought she had some useful information until I saw her thigh gap video. That's when I realized that she doesn't actually know what she's talking about and I couldn't take her seriously. At best, if you're into veganism or healthy smoothies or things of that nature, you can get some good ideas/recipes from her channel, but I definitely wouldn't pay attention to her beyond that.
Yeppp. Especially with the volumes of food she encourages sometimes. It almost seems like a form of heavily regulated binge eating at some points.
I actually got the same sense. I've seen her brag about eating 3-4,000 calories a day and I've watched a video of hers where she ate ~1,200 cals worth of pasta in one sitting.
I dunno, she has a history of eating disorders and it's not uncommon for people who recover from mental illness or addictions to transfer the focus of their obsession from one thing to another. I can't analyze her thru the computer screen or whatever but that's what it all looks like to me.
She does admit to a history of bulimia...I don't know-it's just a turn off that she's so FIGURE/BODY focused...she's not even really focusing on having a HEALTHY body...just being thin....
Cassey may be thin but at least she's in sick shape...This lady just seems like she's off the deep end-and her boyfriend is creepy.0 -
Do not think she represents all vegans. Most vegans are more sensible and eat and promote a more balanced meal. She is extreme, like the WBC and ISIS.0
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what exactly about veganism and heavy restriction is sensible?0
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What exactly about comparing a vegan to a terrorist organization is sensible?0
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Meaning she is very extreme and dosn't represent true christians or musilms.0
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thefatveganchef wrote: »Do not think she represents all vegans. Most vegans are more sensible and eat and promote a more balanced meal. She is extreme, like the WBC and ISIS.
I don't think anything negative about vegans-I believe it is a difficult lifestyle/diet to follow, but nothing negative about it...it's her attitude of superiority and her negative opinion of others that pisses me off.
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thefatveganchef wrote: »Meaning she is very extreme and dosn't represent true christians or musilms.
Can we not?
This isn't a political or religious debate.0 -
I as a vegan do not feel restricted at all. In fact as a vegan it has given me the courage to eat more foods than as a meat eater. I am 1000% less restricted. Instead of eating the same old hamburger day in or day out I have expanded my pallet. I never would have dared try Ethiopian, or Thai, or even tofu as a omnivore. Just because I do not eat meat does not restrict my choices, especially these days with companies making so many analogues.0
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Ha! No true vegan fallacy.0
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I am not trying to make it political or religious, just saying that she is extreme and making comparisons of her extremities that people would understand.0
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thefatveganchef wrote: »I am not trying to make it political or religious, just saying that she is extreme and making comparisons of her extremities that people would understand.
Referencing those groups as part of your "extreme" comparison is inappropriate and unnecessary.
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...and true.0
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I think the analogy is apt. She's extreme and fanatical. A perfect zealot. It would be hard to find a better comparison.missiontofitness wrote: »thefatveganchef wrote: »I am not trying to make it political or religious, just saying that she is extreme and making comparisons of her extremities that people would understand.
Referencing those groups as part of your "extreme" comparison is inappropriate and unnecessary.
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I think the analogy is apt. She's extreme and fanatical. A perfect zealot. It would be hard to find a better comparison.missiontofitness wrote: »thefatveganchef wrote: »I am not trying to make it political or religious, just saying that she is extreme and making comparisons of her extremities that people would understand.
Referencing those groups as part of your "extreme" comparison is inappropriate and unnecessary.
But seriously...can we not.
We're talking about a woman who eats fruit. Not a hate group or extremist group.
Politics and religion is absolutely inappropriate for this conversation.0 -
Her views are political and extremist. People look at her and some will think that her views represent all vegans. Just like a lot of Americans look at ISIS and the taliban and think all muslims are extremists. She only represents a very few extremist vegans out there and most vegans and vegetarians are not like her. It isn't a religious rant, it is a comparison of her extremist and political views to most vegans. It is an analogy and I will not apologize for making the comparison because it is a good analogy. She is more than just a fruitarian, she has extremist views and she preaches them on her youtube channel and condemns those who does not have her views. She gives a bad image for the rest of us and there are people who try to eat like she does which is dangerous, especially for young and impressionable minds. People are going to be malnourished trying to follow her advise.0
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missiontofitness wrote: »
I think the analogy is apt. She's extreme and fanatical. A perfect zealot. It would be hard to find a better comparison.missiontofitness wrote: »thefatveganchef wrote: »I am not trying to make it political or religious, just saying that she is extreme and making comparisons of her extremities that people would understand.
Referencing those groups as part of your "extreme" comparison is inappropriate and unnecessary.
But seriously...can we not.
We're talking about a woman who eats fruit. Not a hate group or extremist group.
Politics and religion is absolutely inappropriate for this conversation.
The reference that is being made has nothing to do with the eating fruit. If you can't get that then you are missing the whole point of this thread. She can eat what ever she wants, just like people can believe what ever they want (religion, politics), but once you start trying to shove it down other peoples "throats", you become a zealot. Especially how fanatical her and her boyfriend are about it. They have no science based evidence, just their beliefs (hmm, there is that word belief, something seen a lot in religion and politics).
Sadly, there are a lot of young women and men that are uneducated, or unwilling to research for themselves, and they fall for her garbage. So much so that she gets national media attention with some health magazines which gives her a bigger "pedestal" to spout her nonsense.0 -
missiontofitness wrote: »
I think the analogy is apt. She's extreme and fanatical. A perfect zealot. It would be hard to find a better comparison.missiontofitness wrote: »thefatveganchef wrote: »I am not trying to make it political or religious, just saying that she is extreme and making comparisons of her extremities that people would understand.
Referencing those groups as part of your "extreme" comparison is inappropriate and unnecessary.
But seriously...can we not.
We're talking about a woman who eats fruit. Not a hate group or extremist group.
Politics and religion is absolutely inappropriate for this conversation.
The reference that is being made has nothing to do with the eating fruit. If you can't get that then you are missing the whole point of this thread. She can eat what ever she wants, just like people can believe what ever they want (religion, politics), but once you start trying to shove it down other peoples "throats", you become a zealot. Especially how fanatical her and her boyfriend are about it. They have no science based evidence, just their beliefs (hmm, there is that word belief, something seen a lot in religion and politics).
Sadly, there are a lot of young women and men that are uneducated, or unwilling to research for themselves, and they fall for her garbage. So much so that she gets national media attention with some health magazines which gives her a bigger "pedestal" to spout her nonsense.
I am not missing the point.
I do not condone what she does. But I dislike that religion and politics was dragged into this conversation.
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thefatveganchef wrote: »Meaning she is very extreme and dosn't represent true christians or musilms.
Does she talk about religion a lot? Or are you just being weird?0 -
Well, to play devil's advocate for a moment...
Vegans ARE an extremist group.0
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