Deadlift Challenge
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herrspoons wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »Hi rep deadlifts are an amazingly stupid idea, and just the sort of absolute nonsense that a supplement huckster like Stoppani would come up with.
People should really know better than this. It's just a recipe for lumbar problems.
Well that's sweet and all, But Doug is either a genetic freak or being a bit dishonest about being natural. In addition, his form is pretty good up until the 30th rep, and he's lifting only about 60% of his 1RM in that Vid (his DLPR is about 660 pounds as I recall). I'm going to bet you that most of the form and loading used by people trying this 'challenge' will be poor and too heavy, and that more than a few of them will be walking like an arthritic grandma for weeks afterwards.
Unless you really know what you're doing it's a dumb challenge. Actually, even if you do it's still dumb.
I already mentioned the bolded part. If you're not confident you can move "X" weight let alone for "X" reps and you try... you're a moron to begin with.
What does it matter if he is a genetic freak? What does it matter if he is natural or not? You're unable to be injured if you're not natural?
250 would be about 60% of my 1rm too.
Then why the video? Doug is hardly representative of your average MFP punter, is he? My point is that Doug can do that because:
1) He's a genetic freak who has the natural strength and dimensions to do repeated DLs, or
2) He's juicing.
Let's give him the benefit of the doubt and assume it's 1). Bottom line is he ain't like us.
As it happens, 250 is about 60% of mine too.
For people who know what they're doing, like the OP, it's an interesting challenge. I'd be really cautious of recommending it to folk who don't.
But hey, it's not my spine.
I'd be really cautious of recommending running a marathon for the average MFP person too.
We know that people are dumb, but I'm not going to put a disclaimer on the challenge. It's not like people do every challenge they come across. If they did this site would be full of raw, vegan, clean, paleo, water cleanse, shakeology members.0 -
LolBroScience wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »Hi rep deadlifts are an amazingly stupid idea, and just the sort of absolute nonsense that a supplement huckster like Stoppani would come up with.
People should really know better than this. It's just a recipe for lumbar problems.
Well that's sweet and all, But Doug is either a genetic freak or being a bit dishonest about being natural. In addition, his form is pretty good up until the 30th rep, and he's lifting only about 60% of his 1RM in that Vid (his DLPR is about 660 pounds as I recall). I'm going to bet you that most of the form and loading used by people trying this 'challenge' will be poor and too heavy, and that more than a few of them will be walking like an arthritic grandma for weeks afterwards.
Unless you really know what you're doing it's a dumb challenge. Actually, even if you do it's still dumb.
I already mentioned the bolded part. If you're not confident you can move "X" weight let alone for "X" reps and you try... you're a moron to begin with.
What does it matter if he is a genetic freak? What does it matter if he is natural or not? You're unable to be injured if you're not natural?
250 would be about 60% of my 1rm too.
Then why the video? Doug is hardly representative of your average MFP punter, is he? My point is that Doug can do that because:
1) He's a genetic freak who has the natural strength and dimensions to do repeated DLs, or
2) He's juicing.
Let's give him the benefit of the doubt and assume it's 1). Bottom line is he ain't like us.
As it happens, 250 is about 60% of mine too.
For people who know what they're doing, like the OP, it's an interesting challenge. I'd be really cautious of recommending it to folk who don't.
But hey, it's not my spine.
She isn't recommending it. She tossed it out there for anyone to take part in it if they so choose.
You're missing my point, forget the 405 lbs. He pulled a heavy weight for 30 reps in a single set with no injury. Whether or not he's on gear or if he's a genetic freak, it's possible to do even as a natural.
This is not that insane of a challenge. It's not as if the challenge is a highly technical Olympic lift all done with no rest one set.
Don't forget that another member posted a video of her doing this challenge already. 250 is twice her body weight. That's two women who have deadlifted 250 pounds for 25 reps, both without injury.0 -
herrspoons wrote: »As it happens, 250 is about 60% of mine too.
In which case, 250 should feel like a warm up (and x 25 very should feel very manageable).0 -
LolBroScience wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »Hi rep deadlifts are an amazingly stupid idea, and just the sort of absolute nonsense that a supplement huckster like Stoppani would come up with.
People should really know better than this. It's just a recipe for lumbar problems.
Well that's sweet and all, But Doug is either a genetic freak or being a bit dishonest about being natural. In addition, his form is pretty good up until the 30th rep, and he's lifting only about 60% of his 1RM in that Vid (his DLPR is about 660 pounds as I recall). I'm going to bet you that most of the form and loading used by people trying this 'challenge' will be poor and too heavy, and that more than a few of them will be walking like an arthritic grandma for weeks afterwards.
Unless you really know what you're doing it's a dumb challenge. Actually, even if you do it's still dumb.
I already mentioned the bolded part. If you're not confident you can move "X" weight let alone for "X" reps and you try... you're a moron to begin with.
What does it matter if he is a genetic freak? What does it matter if he is natural or not? You're unable to be injured if you're not natural?
250 would be about 60% of my 1rm too.
Then why the video? Doug is hardly representative of your average MFP punter, is he? My point is that Doug can do that because:
1) He's a genetic freak who has the natural strength and dimensions to do repeated DLs, or
2) He's juicing.
Let's give him the benefit of the doubt and assume it's 1). Bottom line is he ain't like us.
As it happens, 250 is about 60% of mine too.
For people who know what they're doing, like the OP, it's an interesting challenge. I'd be really cautious of recommending it to folk who don't.
But hey, it's not my spine.
She isn't recommending it. She tossed it out there for anyone to take part in it if they so choose.
You're missing my point, forget the 405 lbs. He pulled a heavy weight for 30 reps in a single set with no injury. Whether or not he's on gear or if he's a genetic freak, it's possible to do even as a natural.
This is not that insane of a challenge. It's not as if the challenge is a highly technical Olympic lift all done with no rest one set.
That's a good way to pass out under a bar.
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skinnyinnotime wrote: »what % of your 1RM is that?
Just curious how screwed I will be when I try it.
If I remember, you're in the mid 400s? You could do 250x25 easy.
But yeah, I'm out on this one. Last deadlift challenge I did was BWxAMRAP (did 215x50) and I couldn't walk for about a week. High rep deadlifts are really dumb.
50 reps? Without rest and a high weight, probably really dumb. 25? Not that high. 5x5 programs have you doing 25 and many hypertrophy programs have you doing even more. There is no rule saying you can't take a break for 30 seconds to a minute.
Stronglifts tells you to do 1x5 on DL
I think this challenge is stupid and dangerous.
And because SL has 1 x 5, then any other rep range is dangerous? And all other programs are wrong?
My routine just does singles. Therefore SL must be stupid and dangerous....
This is not part of a routine and so the example is completely irrelevant.
Many things can be dangerous and stupid.
As with any lifting, people should be aware of their own limitations and pay attention to form.
Your last sentence is spot on with why I made that post...I knew I shouldn't really be doing alot of DL due to my lower back issues. But I went ahead and did 4x8 yesterday and my back gave out, now having to rest it and not workout.
So yes for me I do consider it very stupid and dangerous and should have listened to myself.
If anyone wants to lift a high weight for high reps, go ahead!!
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skinnyinnotime wrote: »skinnyinnotime wrote: »what % of your 1RM is that?
Just curious how screwed I will be when I try it.
If I remember, you're in the mid 400s? You could do 250x25 easy.
But yeah, I'm out on this one. Last deadlift challenge I did was BWxAMRAP (did 215x50) and I couldn't walk for about a week. High rep deadlifts are really dumb.
50 reps? Without rest and a high weight, probably really dumb. 25? Not that high. 5x5 programs have you doing 25 and many hypertrophy programs have you doing even more. There is no rule saying you can't take a break for 30 seconds to a minute.
Stronglifts tells you to do 1x5 on DL
I think this challenge is stupid and dangerous.
And because SL has 1 x 5, then any other rep range is dangerous? And all other programs are wrong?
My routine just does singles. Therefore SL must be stupid and dangerous....
This is not part of a routine and so the example is completely irrelevant.
Many things can be dangerous and stupid.
As with any lifting, people should be aware of their own limitations and pay attention to form.
Your last sentence is spot on with why I made that post...I knew I shouldn't really be doing alot of DL due to my lower back issues. But I went ahead and did 4x8 yesterday and my back gave out, now having to rest it and not workout.
So yes for me I do consider it very stupid and dangerous and should have listened to myself.
If anyone wants to lift a high weight for high reps, go ahead!!
It sounds as if it would be a stupid thing for you to do. Your statement was a blanket one and not qualified to apply to just yourself.0 -
http://youtu.be/kK00CcvWu2Y There you go, guys. 25 at 255. Going to try and beat my time later this month and try 25 x 275 December 1st. 0 -
new_username wrote: »http://youtu.be/kK00CcvWu2Y There you go, guys. 25 at 255. Going to try and beat my time later this month and try 25 x 275 December 1st.
nice work
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How the hell do you folks do 25 reps and not end with bloody shins? If I don't cover my shins with something, I am a bloody mess after 5 reps.0
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new_username wrote: »http://youtu.be/kK00CcvWu2Y There you go, guys. 25 at 255. Going to try and beat my time later this month and try 25 x 275 December 1st.
Great job!0 -
tomcornhole wrote: »How the hell do you folks do 25 reps and not end with bloody shins? If I don't cover my shins with something, I am a bloody mess after 5 reps.
We pull far from our bodies. You probably set up right over the bar with it close to your shins. I set up with the bar over my toes. Different leverage points as well. Sumo is more likely to end up bloody as well.0 -
This is AWESOME!!!!!0
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tomcornhole wrote: »How the hell do you folks do 25 reps and not end with bloody shins? If I don't cover my shins with something, I am a bloody mess after 5 reps.
I've found that when I pull, the bar doesn't really ding my shins, but I do end up with some roughed up thighs.0 -
Might give this a go, will be serious cardio as it's about 40% of my max.
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tomcornhole wrote: »How the hell do you folks do 25 reps and not end with bloody shins? If I don't cover my shins with something, I am a bloody mess after 5 reps.
my legs are noticeably out of proportion with my out of proportion legs. (I have a 37" inseam, but my torso is irregularly short. When I go low, my knees are too far out and when I stand, I either hurt my back trying to suck them in or go around them, or they smack and hook under my knees and I cant stand, or they tear up the front of me.
I switched to the trap bar, no more problems.
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tomcornhole wrote: »How the hell do you folks do 25 reps and not end with bloody shins? If I don't cover my shins with something, I am a bloody mess after 5 reps.
my legs are noticeably out of proportion with my out of proportion legs. (I have a 37" inseam, but my torso is irregularly short. When I go low, my knees are too far out and when I stand, I either hurt my back trying to suck them in or go around them, or they smack and hook under my knees and I cant stand, or they tear up the front of me.
I switched to the trap bar, no more problems.
Wide-stance sumo would probably work for you too. Conventional puts wayyy too much strain on my lower back and I hit my knees all the time with the bar. Sumo was a godsend and my weights increased tremendously within a few months.0 -
assuming grip holds out, can you pull more weight sumo than conventional?0
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I just wanted to say you ladies are powerhouses! Very inspirational :-)0
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I might try this. 250lbs is about 64% of my max. But I know I'll be sore as living hell after doing 25 reps at one time. I wouldn't do it in addition to my dead workout but instead of it.
For the record, I'm 46 and 250lbs is almost 1.5 of my current weight0 -
LolBroScience wrote: »
World Records:
634@123, Conventional
628@132, Conventional
694@148, Sumo
716@165, Sumo
791@181, Sumo
861@198, Sumo
901@220, Sumo
890@242, Sumo
881@275, Conventional
939@308, Conventional
1015@SHW, Conventional0 -
LolBroScience wrote: »
World Records:
634@123, Conventional
628@132, Conventional
694@148, Sumo
716@165, Sumo
791@181, Sumo
861@198, Sumo
901@220, Sumo
890@242, Sumo
881@275, Conventional
939@308, Conventional
1015@SHW, Conventional
Touche, now I must deactivate and rage quit.0 -
LolBroScience wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »
World Records:
634@123, Conventional
628@132, Conventional
694@148, Sumo
716@165, Sumo
791@181, Sumo
861@198, Sumo
901@220, Sumo
890@242, Sumo
881@275, Conventional
939@308, Conventional
1015@SHW, Conventional
Touche, now I must deactivate and rage quit.
.... aaaaaand go!0 -
LolBroScience wrote: »
definitely common- but it's not ALL.
I get the feeling you see a lot of competitors via video using sumo b/c of your logic- when in reality- they should figure out what works best for their body rather than trying to do what works best for someone else.0 -
Nice job. How barfy did you feel?new_username wrote: »http://youtu.be/kK00CcvWu2Y There you go, guys. 25 at 255. Going to try and beat my time later this month and try 25 x 275 December 1st.
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LolBroScience wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »
World Records:
634@123, Conventional
628@132, Conventional
694@148, Sumo
716@165, Sumo
791@181, Sumo
861@198, Sumo
901@220, Sumo
890@242, Sumo
881@275, Conventional
939@308, Conventional
1015@SHW, Conventional
Touche, now I must deactivate and rage quit.
That's the MFP of throwing your bat after striking out, isn't it? 0 -
hence the depends on individual leverages0
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hah, Pence looked so surprised.Wheelhouse15 wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »
World Records:
634@123, Conventional
628@132, Conventional
694@148, Sumo
716@165, Sumo
791@181, Sumo
861@198, Sumo
901@220, Sumo
890@242, Sumo
881@275, Conventional
939@308, Conventional
1015@SHW, Conventional
Touche, now I must deactivate and rage quit.
That's the MFP of throwing your bay after striking out, isn't it?
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assuming grip holds out, can you pull more weight sumo than conventional?
I don't know, can you? :P
Experiment if you're curious. I could tell the difference immediately. However, I have a tall torso with average legs and arms. I'm 6'3" with only a 32" inseam; I'm all torso. You can google some methods of determining if your proportions will suit sumo or conventional better, that's what made me give sumo a try.
Oddly enough, even though I'm not built for deadlifting (the best deadlifters tend to have longer arms and shorter legs) it's my best lift by far.0
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