Getting discouraged. Lean bulk or cut? What should I do?
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LolBroScience wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »honestly, I'm not trying to be a pest. I am trying to get this right and understand it. I want to get results now. I want to start off at something that I can progress with. I feel like, again, people are telling me to start with a weight I should choose. That obviously hasn't helped me out at all the past 3 years.
That's why we keep telling you to FOLLOW THE PROGRAM AS WRITTEN. You will progress quickly and delay stalling. Stop overthinking this.
Seriously. Holy crap man. Stop trying to figure out everything on paper and running this thread in circles. Stop over analyzing things (and doing it poorly) and just go lift some damn weights. You're not trying to be a pest but the level of basic understanding of things that are being laid out for you over and over is mind numbing.
No one else in this thread will tell you this but get your sh$# together already. Stop wasting everyone's time having them explain the same thing to you 50 times. Go lift some damn weights and log off the Internet.
It's his thread. He can ask whatever he wants. If you don't like what he's asking or posting, simply don't reply.
Wait......hold on, let me reread my post to see where I was addressing you.
Brb......
Wait, hold on, let me reread my posts to see where he was addressing YOU. His reply was to me. Then you threw in your 2 cents.
FACT: This is HIS thread that HE created. He can post in HIS thread as he wishes. Not you, me or anyone else can tell him what he can post in HIS thread. You have three choices. Help him, berate him like you've been doing or don't reply.
Your use of capital letters to attempt to prove your point is impressive.
I appreciate you allowing my post to massage your emotions the way it has. Makes me feel tingly.
I appreciate the fact that you finally recognize that telling someone what to do in their own thread is effin' ridiculous. Even more so where you try to berate someone for replying to their own reply string.
You're batting 0-2 right now. Congrats. I'd love it if you reply with another off topic reply to HIS thread because your e-feelings got hurt. Just leave it alone. If you don't like his replies, don't reply. It's not a difficult concept to grasp
Can't we all just get along?
We're trying to help the OP by answering his questions, but he keeps asking the same ones over and over again.No one else in this thread will tell you this but get your sh$# together already. Stop wasting everyone's time having them explain the same thing to you 50 times. Go lift some damn weights and log off the Internet
This isn't helping anyone
But asking the same question over and over and seemingly ignoring the responses is?
Like I said, it's his thread. No one is being forced to reply against their will. It's up to him to decide what advice is helping. If you can't get through to him, so be it.
It's not his thread...he happens to be the Original Poster, but he doesn't own it. It's a public forum. We all own this thread.
I tend to think the OP owns thread more so than the replies. I try to respect the OP and direct him with advice on topic to his wishes in the original post. He is either free to use the advice as stated, reject it or maybe consider it later. Berating him because he's not following advice exactly how it's been presented doesn't help.
People are allowed to voice their frustration after having given advice for 11 pages.
Sure but how does that help? Like I've said, you might be frustrated but posting that doesn't help him IMHO. It's a public forum and as long as the mods don't delete or close the thread, anyone is able to post anything. The question is "should you"
I suppose it's as helpful as repeating the same answer over and over...
I recommend not repeating the same answer over and over.
But I try to be as respectful and helpful to the OP as possible like you said. Thus, it creates a dilemma.
I don't see a dilemma at all.
Not surprising.
What are you going to do if he doesn't follow your advice? Drive over there and make him do it? Repeat it until he does it?0 -
JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »honestly, I'm not trying to be a pest. I am trying to get this right and understand it. I want to get results now. I want to start off at something that I can progress with. I feel like, again, people are telling me to start with a weight I should choose. That obviously hasn't helped me out at all the past 3 years.
That's why we keep telling you to FOLLOW THE PROGRAM AS WRITTEN. You will progress quickly and delay stalling. Stop overthinking this.
Seriously. Holy crap man. Stop trying to figure out everything on paper and running this thread in circles. Stop over analyzing things (and doing it poorly) and just go lift some damn weights. You're not trying to be a pest but the level of basic understanding of things that are being laid out for you over and over is mind numbing.
No one else in this thread will tell you this but get your sh$# together already. Stop wasting everyone's time having them explain the same thing to you 50 times. Go lift some damn weights and log off the Internet.
It's his thread. He can ask whatever he wants. If you don't like what he's asking or posting, simply don't reply.
Wait......hold on, let me reread my post to see where I was addressing you.
Brb......
Wait, hold on, let me reread my posts to see where he was addressing YOU. His reply was to me. Then you threw in your 2 cents.
FACT: This is HIS thread that HE created. He can post in HIS thread as he wishes. Not you, me or anyone else can tell him what he can post in HIS thread. You have three choices. Help him, berate him like you've been doing or don't reply.
Your use of capital letters to attempt to prove your point is impressive.
I appreciate you allowing my post to massage your emotions the way it has. Makes me feel tingly.
I appreciate the fact that you finally recognize that telling someone what to do in their own thread is effin' ridiculous. Even more so where you try to berate someone for replying to their own reply string.
You're batting 0-2 right now. Congrats. I'd love it if you reply with another off topic reply to HIS thread because your e-feelings got hurt. Just leave it alone. If you don't like his replies, don't reply. It's not a difficult concept to grasp
Can't we all just get along?
We're trying to help the OP by answering his questions, but he keeps asking the same ones over and over again.No one else in this thread will tell you this but get your sh$# together already. Stop wasting everyone's time having them explain the same thing to you 50 times. Go lift some damn weights and log off the Internet
This isn't helping anyone
But asking the same question over and over and seemingly ignoring the responses is?
Like I said, it's his thread. No one is being forced to reply against their will. It's up to him to decide what advice is helping. If you can't get through to him, so be it.
It's not his thread...he happens to be the Original Poster, but he doesn't own it. It's a public forum. We all own this thread.
I tend to think the OP owns thread more so than the replies. I try to respect the OP and direct him with advice on topic to his wishes in the original post. He is either free to use the advice as stated, reject it or maybe consider it later. Berating him because he's not following advice exactly how it's been presented doesn't help.
People are allowed to voice their frustration after having given advice for 11 pages.
Sure but how does that help? Like I've said, you might be frustrated but posting that doesn't help him IMHO. It's a public forum and as long as the mods don't delete or close the thread, anyone is able to post anything. The question is "should you"
I suppose it's as helpful as repeating the same answer over and over...
I recommend not repeating the same answer over and over.
Even if it's the right answer? Doesn't matter if he can't understand why the program is made that way. It doesn't change the fact that it's a solid program and better than the butchered program he was doing.
I agree that the 5x5 is a good program. One that he should consider. Maybe just point him to an article like this that will answer most of this questions. although this one does advocate him starting out close to his current 5x5 number
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/sclark70.htm
This one seems really complete as far as the why and how
http://stronglifts.com/5x5/
You're repeating the same advice we've given and nearly identical articles that he's been given that explain everything. Next up, he says he doesn't understand not going to failure and how you are supposed to make progress if you don't fail. Back around on the merry-go-round.
Yup, I posted the SL5x5 web address for the OP a couple of pages ago.0 -
JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »honestly, I'm not trying to be a pest. I am trying to get this right and understand it. I want to get results now. I want to start off at something that I can progress with. I feel like, again, people are telling me to start with a weight I should choose. That obviously hasn't helped me out at all the past 3 years.
That's why we keep telling you to FOLLOW THE PROGRAM AS WRITTEN. You will progress quickly and delay stalling. Stop overthinking this.
Seriously. Holy crap man. Stop trying to figure out everything on paper and running this thread in circles. Stop over analyzing things (and doing it poorly) and just go lift some damn weights. You're not trying to be a pest but the level of basic understanding of things that are being laid out for you over and over is mind numbing.
No one else in this thread will tell you this but get your sh$# together already. Stop wasting everyone's time having them explain the same thing to you 50 times. Go lift some damn weights and log off the Internet.
It's his thread. He can ask whatever he wants. If you don't like what he's asking or posting, simply don't reply.
Wait......hold on, let me reread my post to see where I was addressing you.
Brb......
Wait, hold on, let me reread my posts to see where he was addressing YOU. His reply was to me. Then you threw in your 2 cents.
FACT: This is HIS thread that HE created. He can post in HIS thread as he wishes. Not you, me or anyone else can tell him what he can post in HIS thread. You have three choices. Help him, berate him like you've been doing or don't reply.
Your use of capital letters to attempt to prove your point is impressive.
I appreciate you allowing my post to massage your emotions the way it has. Makes me feel tingly.
I appreciate the fact that you finally recognize that telling someone what to do in their own thread is effin' ridiculous. Even more so where you try to berate someone for replying to their own reply string.
You're batting 0-2 right now. Congrats. I'd love it if you reply with another off topic reply to HIS thread because your e-feelings got hurt. Just leave it alone. If you don't like his replies, don't reply. It's not a difficult concept to grasp
Can't we all just get along?
We're trying to help the OP by answering his questions, but he keeps asking the same ones over and over again.No one else in this thread will tell you this but get your sh$# together already. Stop wasting everyone's time having them explain the same thing to you 50 times. Go lift some damn weights and log off the Internet
This isn't helping anyone
But asking the same question over and over and seemingly ignoring the responses is?
Like I said, it's his thread. No one is being forced to reply against their will. It's up to him to decide what advice is helping. If you can't get through to him, so be it.
It's not his thread...he happens to be the Original Poster, but he doesn't own it. It's a public forum. We all own this thread.
I tend to think the OP owns thread more so than the replies. I try to respect the OP and direct him with advice on topic to his wishes in the original post. He is either free to use the advice as stated, reject it or maybe consider it later. Berating him because he's not following advice exactly how it's been presented doesn't help.
People are allowed to voice their frustration after having given advice for 11 pages.
Sure but how does that help? Like I've said, you might be frustrated but posting that doesn't help him IMHO. It's a public forum and as long as the mods don't delete or close the thread, anyone is able to post anything. The question is "should you"
I suppose it's as helpful as repeating the same answer over and over...
I recommend not repeating the same answer over and over.
Even if it's the right answer? Doesn't matter if he can't understand why the program is made that way. It doesn't change the fact that it's a solid program and better than the butchered program he was doing.
I agree that the 5x5 is a good program. One that he should consider. Maybe just point him to an article like this that will answer most of this questions. although this one does advocate him starting out close to his current 5x5 number
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/sclark70.htm
This one seems really complete as far as the why and how
http://stronglifts.com/5x5/
You're repeating the same advice we've given and nearly identical articles that he's been given that explain everything. Next up, he says he doesn't understand not going to failure and how you are supposed to make progress if you don't fail. Back around on the merry-go-round.
I'll post the advice once. Maybe mention it again once. After that, he's on his own.0 -
JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »honestly, I'm not trying to be a pest. I am trying to get this right and understand it. I want to get results now. I want to start off at something that I can progress with. I feel like, again, people are telling me to start with a weight I should choose. That obviously hasn't helped me out at all the past 3 years.
That's why we keep telling you to FOLLOW THE PROGRAM AS WRITTEN. You will progress quickly and delay stalling. Stop overthinking this.
Seriously. Holy crap man. Stop trying to figure out everything on paper and running this thread in circles. Stop over analyzing things (and doing it poorly) and just go lift some damn weights. You're not trying to be a pest but the level of basic understanding of things that are being laid out for you over and over is mind numbing.
No one else in this thread will tell you this but get your sh$# together already. Stop wasting everyone's time having them explain the same thing to you 50 times. Go lift some damn weights and log off the Internet.
It's his thread. He can ask whatever he wants. If you don't like what he's asking or posting, simply don't reply.
Wait......hold on, let me reread my post to see where I was addressing you.
Brb......
Wait, hold on, let me reread my posts to see where he was addressing YOU. His reply was to me. Then you threw in your 2 cents.
FACT: This is HIS thread that HE created. He can post in HIS thread as he wishes. Not you, me or anyone else can tell him what he can post in HIS thread. You have three choices. Help him, berate him like you've been doing or don't reply.
Your use of capital letters to attempt to prove your point is impressive.
I appreciate you allowing my post to massage your emotions the way it has. Makes me feel tingly.
I appreciate the fact that you finally recognize that telling someone what to do in their own thread is effin' ridiculous. Even more so where you try to berate someone for replying to their own reply string.
You're batting 0-2 right now. Congrats. I'd love it if you reply with another off topic reply to HIS thread because your e-feelings got hurt. Just leave it alone. If you don't like his replies, don't reply. It's not a difficult concept to grasp
Can't we all just get along?
We're trying to help the OP by answering his questions, but he keeps asking the same ones over and over again.No one else in this thread will tell you this but get your sh$# together already. Stop wasting everyone's time having them explain the same thing to you 50 times. Go lift some damn weights and log off the Internet
This isn't helping anyone
But asking the same question over and over and seemingly ignoring the responses is?
Like I said, it's his thread. No one is being forced to reply against their will. It's up to him to decide what advice is helping. If you can't get through to him, so be it.
It's not his thread...he happens to be the Original Poster, but he doesn't own it. It's a public forum. We all own this thread.
I tend to think the OP owns thread more so than the replies. I try to respect the OP and direct him with advice on topic to his wishes in the original post. He is either free to use the advice as stated, reject it or maybe consider it later. Berating him because he's not following advice exactly how it's been presented doesn't help.
People are allowed to voice their frustration after having given advice for 11 pages.
Sure but how does that help? Like I've said, you might be frustrated but posting that doesn't help him IMHO. It's a public forum and as long as the mods don't delete or close the thread, anyone is able to post anything. The question is "should you"
I suppose it's as helpful as repeating the same answer over and over...
I recommend not repeating the same answer over and over.
But I try to be as respectful and helpful to the OP as possible like you said. Thus, it creates a dilemma.
I don't see a dilemma at all.
Dilemma: Give him good advice even if you have to keep repeating it or tell him he's right and it isn't his fault. That's tough.
I never said who's fault it is. If he doesn't want to following XX person's advice, that's on him.
The only real advice that has been repeated by everyone is the main thing he's not listening to. Follow the program like it is built. He wants to modify and that's why as a guy who has been lifting for 3 years he has the stats of a noob. Plus, all he talks about is bench press and I'm guessing that his accessory work is lacking.0 -
JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »honestly, I'm not trying to be a pest. I am trying to get this right and understand it. I want to get results now. I want to start off at something that I can progress with. I feel like, again, people are telling me to start with a weight I should choose. That obviously hasn't helped me out at all the past 3 years.
That's why we keep telling you to FOLLOW THE PROGRAM AS WRITTEN. You will progress quickly and delay stalling. Stop overthinking this.
Seriously. Holy crap man. Stop trying to figure out everything on paper and running this thread in circles. Stop over analyzing things (and doing it poorly) and just go lift some damn weights. You're not trying to be a pest but the level of basic understanding of things that are being laid out for you over and over is mind numbing.
No one else in this thread will tell you this but get your sh$# together already. Stop wasting everyone's time having them explain the same thing to you 50 times. Go lift some damn weights and log off the Internet.
It's his thread. He can ask whatever he wants. If you don't like what he's asking or posting, simply don't reply.
Wait......hold on, let me reread my post to see where I was addressing you.
Brb......
Wait, hold on, let me reread my posts to see where he was addressing YOU. His reply was to me. Then you threw in your 2 cents.
FACT: This is HIS thread that HE created. He can post in HIS thread as he wishes. Not you, me or anyone else can tell him what he can post in HIS thread. You have three choices. Help him, berate him like you've been doing or don't reply.
Your use of capital letters to attempt to prove your point is impressive.
I appreciate you allowing my post to massage your emotions the way it has. Makes me feel tingly.
I appreciate the fact that you finally recognize that telling someone what to do in their own thread is effin' ridiculous. Even more so where you try to berate someone for replying to their own reply string.
You're batting 0-2 right now. Congrats. I'd love it if you reply with another off topic reply to HIS thread because your e-feelings got hurt. Just leave it alone. If you don't like his replies, don't reply. It's not a difficult concept to grasp
Can't we all just get along?
We're trying to help the OP by answering his questions, but he keeps asking the same ones over and over again.No one else in this thread will tell you this but get your sh$# together already. Stop wasting everyone's time having them explain the same thing to you 50 times. Go lift some damn weights and log off the Internet
This isn't helping anyone
But asking the same question over and over and seemingly ignoring the responses is?
Like I said, it's his thread. No one is being forced to reply against their will. It's up to him to decide what advice is helping. If you can't get through to him, so be it.
It's not his thread...he happens to be the Original Poster, but he doesn't own it. It's a public forum. We all own this thread.
I tend to think the OP owns thread more so than the replies. I try to respect the OP and direct him with advice on topic to his wishes in the original post. He is either free to use the advice as stated, reject it or maybe consider it later. Berating him because he's not following advice exactly how it's been presented doesn't help.
People are allowed to voice their frustration after having given advice for 11 pages.
Sure but how does that help? Like I've said, you might be frustrated but posting that doesn't help him IMHO. It's a public forum and as long as the mods don't delete or close the thread, anyone is able to post anything. The question is "should you"
I suppose it's as helpful as repeating the same answer over and over...
I recommend not repeating the same answer over and over.
Even if it's the right answer? Doesn't matter if he can't understand why the program is made that way. It doesn't change the fact that it's a solid program and better than the butchered program he was doing.
I agree that the 5x5 is a good program. One that he should consider. Maybe just point him to an article like this that will answer most of this questions. although this one does advocate him starting out close to his current 5x5 number
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/sclark70.htm
This one seems really complete as far as the why and how
http://stronglifts.com/5x5/
You're repeating the same advice we've given and nearly identical articles that he's been given that explain everything. Next up, he says he doesn't understand not going to failure and how you are supposed to make progress if you don't fail. Back around on the merry-go-round.
I'll post the advice once. Maybe mention it again once. After that, he's on his own.
K great, so you've added nothing of value which has already been said by multiple users in collective agreement for nearly 11 pages.0 -
LolBroScience wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »honestly, I'm not trying to be a pest. I am trying to get this right and understand it. I want to get results now. I want to start off at something that I can progress with. I feel like, again, people are telling me to start with a weight I should choose. That obviously hasn't helped me out at all the past 3 years.
That's why we keep telling you to FOLLOW THE PROGRAM AS WRITTEN. You will progress quickly and delay stalling. Stop overthinking this.
Seriously. Holy crap man. Stop trying to figure out everything on paper and running this thread in circles. Stop over analyzing things (and doing it poorly) and just go lift some damn weights. You're not trying to be a pest but the level of basic understanding of things that are being laid out for you over and over is mind numbing.
No one else in this thread will tell you this but get your sh$# together already. Stop wasting everyone's time having them explain the same thing to you 50 times. Go lift some damn weights and log off the Internet.
It's his thread. He can ask whatever he wants. If you don't like what he's asking or posting, simply don't reply.
Wait......hold on, let me reread my post to see where I was addressing you.
Brb......
Wait, hold on, let me reread my posts to see where he was addressing YOU. His reply was to me. Then you threw in your 2 cents.
FACT: This is HIS thread that HE created. He can post in HIS thread as he wishes. Not you, me or anyone else can tell him what he can post in HIS thread. You have three choices. Help him, berate him like you've been doing or don't reply.
Your use of capital letters to attempt to prove your point is impressive.
I appreciate you allowing my post to massage your emotions the way it has. Makes me feel tingly.
I appreciate the fact that you finally recognize that telling someone what to do in their own thread is effin' ridiculous. Even more so where you try to berate someone for replying to their own reply string.
You're batting 0-2 right now. Congrats. I'd love it if you reply with another off topic reply to HIS thread because your e-feelings got hurt. Just leave it alone. If you don't like his replies, don't reply. It's not a difficult concept to grasp
Can't we all just get along?
We're trying to help the OP by answering his questions, but he keeps asking the same ones over and over again.No one else in this thread will tell you this but get your sh$# together already. Stop wasting everyone's time having them explain the same thing to you 50 times. Go lift some damn weights and log off the Internet
This isn't helping anyone
But asking the same question over and over and seemingly ignoring the responses is?
Like I said, it's his thread. No one is being forced to reply against their will. It's up to him to decide what advice is helping. If you can't get through to him, so be it.
It's not his thread...he happens to be the Original Poster, but he doesn't own it. It's a public forum. We all own this thread.
I tend to think the OP owns thread more so than the replies. I try to respect the OP and direct him with advice on topic to his wishes in the original post. He is either free to use the advice as stated, reject it or maybe consider it later. Berating him because he's not following advice exactly how it's been presented doesn't help.
People are allowed to voice their frustration after having given advice for 11 pages.
Sure but how does that help? Like I've said, you might be frustrated but posting that doesn't help him IMHO. It's a public forum and as long as the mods don't delete or close the thread, anyone is able to post anything. The question is "should you"
I suppose it's as helpful as repeating the same answer over and over...
I recommend not repeating the same answer over and over.
Even if it's the right answer? Doesn't matter if he can't understand why the program is made that way. It doesn't change the fact that it's a solid program and better than the butchered program he was doing.
I agree that the 5x5 is a good program. One that he should consider. Maybe just point him to an article like this that will answer most of this questions. although this one does advocate him starting out close to his current 5x5 number
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/sclark70.htm
This one seems really complete as far as the why and how
http://stronglifts.com/5x5/
You're repeating the same advice we've given and nearly identical articles that he's been given that explain everything. Next up, he says he doesn't understand not going to failure and how you are supposed to make progress if you don't fail. Back around on the merry-go-round.
I'll post the advice once. Maybe mention it again once. After that, he's on his own.
K great, so you've added nothing of value which has already been said by multiple users in collective agreement for nearly 11 pages.
I didn't recommend 5x5. I only agreed that that is one of the many programs that would help him.0 -
JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »honestly, I'm not trying to be a pest. I am trying to get this right and understand it. I want to get results now. I want to start off at something that I can progress with. I feel like, again, people are telling me to start with a weight I should choose. That obviously hasn't helped me out at all the past 3 years.
That's why we keep telling you to FOLLOW THE PROGRAM AS WRITTEN. You will progress quickly and delay stalling. Stop overthinking this.
Seriously. Holy crap man. Stop trying to figure out everything on paper and running this thread in circles. Stop over analyzing things (and doing it poorly) and just go lift some damn weights. You're not trying to be a pest but the level of basic understanding of things that are being laid out for you over and over is mind numbing.
No one else in this thread will tell you this but get your sh$# together already. Stop wasting everyone's time having them explain the same thing to you 50 times. Go lift some damn weights and log off the Internet.
It's his thread. He can ask whatever he wants. If you don't like what he's asking or posting, simply don't reply.
Wait......hold on, let me reread my post to see where I was addressing you.
Brb......
Wait, hold on, let me reread my posts to see where he was addressing YOU. His reply was to me. Then you threw in your 2 cents.
FACT: This is HIS thread that HE created. He can post in HIS thread as he wishes. Not you, me or anyone else can tell him what he can post in HIS thread. You have three choices. Help him, berate him like you've been doing or don't reply.
Your use of capital letters to attempt to prove your point is impressive.
I appreciate you allowing my post to massage your emotions the way it has. Makes me feel tingly.
I appreciate the fact that you finally recognize that telling someone what to do in their own thread is effin' ridiculous. Even more so where you try to berate someone for replying to their own reply string.
You're batting 0-2 right now. Congrats. I'd love it if you reply with another off topic reply to HIS thread because your e-feelings got hurt. Just leave it alone. If you don't like his replies, don't reply. It's not a difficult concept to grasp
Can't we all just get along?
We're trying to help the OP by answering his questions, but he keeps asking the same ones over and over again.No one else in this thread will tell you this but get your sh$# together already. Stop wasting everyone's time having them explain the same thing to you 50 times. Go lift some damn weights and log off the Internet
This isn't helping anyone
But asking the same question over and over and seemingly ignoring the responses is?
Like I said, it's his thread. No one is being forced to reply against their will. It's up to him to decide what advice is helping. If you can't get through to him, so be it.
It's not his thread...he happens to be the Original Poster, but he doesn't own it. It's a public forum. We all own this thread.
I tend to think the OP owns thread more so than the replies. I try to respect the OP and direct him with advice on topic to his wishes in the original post. He is either free to use the advice as stated, reject it or maybe consider it later. Berating him because he's not following advice exactly how it's been presented doesn't help.
People are allowed to voice their frustration after having given advice for 11 pages.
Sure but how does that help? Like I've said, you might be frustrated but posting that doesn't help him IMHO. It's a public forum and as long as the mods don't delete or close the thread, anyone is able to post anything. The question is "should you"
I suppose it's as helpful as repeating the same answer over and over...
I recommend not repeating the same answer over and over.
Even if it's the right answer? Doesn't matter if he can't understand why the program is made that way. It doesn't change the fact that it's a solid program and better than the butchered program he was doing.
I agree that the 5x5 is a good program. One that he should consider. Maybe just point him to an article like this that will answer most of this questions. although this one does advocate him starting out close to his current 5x5 number
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/sclark70.htm
This one seems really complete as far as the why and how
http://stronglifts.com/5x5/
You're repeating the same advice we've given and nearly identical articles that he's been given that explain everything. Next up, he says he doesn't understand not going to failure and how you are supposed to make progress if you don't fail. Back around on the merry-go-round.
I'll post the advice once. Maybe mention it again once. After that, he's on his own.
We wouldn't have to keep posting it if he didn't keep asking the same questions in different ways. There comes the dilemma. You say pointing out the fact that he's asking questions in circles doesn't help him, but does abandoning it after saying it twice like you do help? I think calling someone on their lack of action and over thinking is better than just walking away.0 -
I was doing an edited version of icf 5x5 but it basically turned into my own thing. An A/B Style workout 3x / week: (modified now and then. Switching between 5x5 and 8-10x3 for reps and sets every other week or so recently)
A:
Squat
Bench press
Bent over db row
Lateral db raise
Shrugs
Tricep press down
Push ups
B:
Deadlift (sometimes)
Overhead press
Last pull down
Close grip bench press
Row
Dumbbell curl
Rear delt flies
It's varied over the past few months. Again I triedto begin switching up reps and set schemes to get more variety. But it's ahed to gauge my progress that way
He mentions what he "does" already.0 -
JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »honestly, I'm not trying to be a pest. I am trying to get this right and understand it. I want to get results now. I want to start off at something that I can progress with. I feel like, again, people are telling me to start with a weight I should choose. That obviously hasn't helped me out at all the past 3 years.
That's why we keep telling you to FOLLOW THE PROGRAM AS WRITTEN. You will progress quickly and delay stalling. Stop overthinking this.
Seriously. Holy crap man. Stop trying to figure out everything on paper and running this thread in circles. Stop over analyzing things (and doing it poorly) and just go lift some damn weights. You're not trying to be a pest but the level of basic understanding of things that are being laid out for you over and over is mind numbing.
No one else in this thread will tell you this but get your sh$# together already. Stop wasting everyone's time having them explain the same thing to you 50 times. Go lift some damn weights and log off the Internet.
It's his thread. He can ask whatever he wants. If you don't like what he's asking or posting, simply don't reply.
Wait......hold on, let me reread my post to see where I was addressing you.
Brb......
Wait, hold on, let me reread my posts to see where he was addressing YOU. His reply was to me. Then you threw in your 2 cents.
FACT: This is HIS thread that HE created. He can post in HIS thread as he wishes. Not you, me or anyone else can tell him what he can post in HIS thread. You have three choices. Help him, berate him like you've been doing or don't reply.
Your use of capital letters to attempt to prove your point is impressive.
I appreciate you allowing my post to massage your emotions the way it has. Makes me feel tingly.
I appreciate the fact that you finally recognize that telling someone what to do in their own thread is effin' ridiculous. Even more so where you try to berate someone for replying to their own reply string.
You're batting 0-2 right now. Congrats. I'd love it if you reply with another off topic reply to HIS thread because your e-feelings got hurt. Just leave it alone. If you don't like his replies, don't reply. It's not a difficult concept to grasp
Can't we all just get along?
We're trying to help the OP by answering his questions, but he keeps asking the same ones over and over again.No one else in this thread will tell you this but get your sh$# together already. Stop wasting everyone's time having them explain the same thing to you 50 times. Go lift some damn weights and log off the Internet
This isn't helping anyone
But asking the same question over and over and seemingly ignoring the responses is?
Like I said, it's his thread. No one is being forced to reply against their will. It's up to him to decide what advice is helping. If you can't get through to him, so be it.
It's not his thread...he happens to be the Original Poster, but he doesn't own it. It's a public forum. We all own this thread.
I tend to think the OP owns thread more so than the replies. I try to respect the OP and direct him with advice on topic to his wishes in the original post. He is either free to use the advice as stated, reject it or maybe consider it later. Berating him because he's not following advice exactly how it's been presented doesn't help.
People are allowed to voice their frustration after having given advice for 11 pages.
Sure but how does that help? Like I've said, you might be frustrated but posting that doesn't help him IMHO. It's a public forum and as long as the mods don't delete or close the thread, anyone is able to post anything. The question is "should you"
I suppose it's as helpful as repeating the same answer over and over...
I recommend not repeating the same answer over and over.
Even if it's the right answer? Doesn't matter if he can't understand why the program is made that way. It doesn't change the fact that it's a solid program and better than the butchered program he was doing.
I agree that the 5x5 is a good program. One that he should consider. Maybe just point him to an article like this that will answer most of this questions. although this one does advocate him starting out close to his current 5x5 number
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/sclark70.htm
This one seems really complete as far as the why and how
http://stronglifts.com/5x5/
You're repeating the same advice we've given and nearly identical articles that he's been given that explain everything. Next up, he says he doesn't understand not going to failure and how you are supposed to make progress if you don't fail. Back around on the merry-go-round.
I'll post the advice once. Maybe mention it again once. After that, he's on his own.
We wouldn't have to keep posting it if he didn't keep asking the same questions in different ways. There comes the dilemma. You say pointing out the fact that he's asking questions in circles doesn't help him, but does abandoning it after saying it twice like you do help? I think calling someone on their lack of action and over thinking is better than just walking away.
Ok, then don't get upset about having to repeat the information again and again.0 -
JeffseekingV wrote: »I was doing an edited version of icf 5x5 but it basically turned into my own thing. An A/B Style workout 3x / week: (modified now and then. Switching between 5x5 and 8-10x3 for reps and sets every other week or so recently)
A:
Squat
Bench press
Bent over db row
Lateral db raise
Shrugs
Tricep press down
Push ups
B:
Deadlift (sometimes)
Overhead press
Last pull down
Close grip bench press
Row
Dumbbell curl
Rear delt flies
It's varied over the past few months. Again I triedto begin switching up reps and set schemes to get more variety. But it's ahed to gauge my progress that way
He mentions what he "does" already.
You're right, my bad. It also mentions that he is doing his own thing and not following a program like it is built. That's his issue. Period.0 -
JeffseekingV wrote: »I was doing an edited version of icf 5x5 but it basically turned into my own thing. An A/B Style workout 3x / week: (modified now and then. Switching between 5x5 and 8-10x3 for reps and sets every other week or so recently)
A:
Squat
Bench press
Bent over db row
Lateral db raise
Shrugs
Tricep press down
Push ups
B:
Deadlift (sometimes)
Overhead press
Last pull down
Close grip bench press
Row
Dumbbell curl
Rear delt flies
It's varied over the past few months. Again I triedto begin switching up reps and set schemes to get more variety. But it's ahed to gauge my progress that way
He mentions what he "does" already.
Yes, with a handful of other repeating questions which spun off as a result finding out that he had been butchering the preset 5x5 ICF routine and wondering why no progress has been made.0 -
JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »honestly, I'm not trying to be a pest. I am trying to get this right and understand it. I want to get results now. I want to start off at something that I can progress with. I feel like, again, people are telling me to start with a weight I should choose. That obviously hasn't helped me out at all the past 3 years.
That's why we keep telling you to FOLLOW THE PROGRAM AS WRITTEN. You will progress quickly and delay stalling. Stop overthinking this.
Seriously. Holy crap man. Stop trying to figure out everything on paper and running this thread in circles. Stop over analyzing things (and doing it poorly) and just go lift some damn weights. You're not trying to be a pest but the level of basic understanding of things that are being laid out for you over and over is mind numbing.
No one else in this thread will tell you this but get your sh$# together already. Stop wasting everyone's time having them explain the same thing to you 50 times. Go lift some damn weights and log off the Internet.
It's his thread. He can ask whatever he wants. If you don't like what he's asking or posting, simply don't reply.
Wait......hold on, let me reread my post to see where I was addressing you.
Brb......
Wait, hold on, let me reread my posts to see where he was addressing YOU. His reply was to me. Then you threw in your 2 cents.
FACT: This is HIS thread that HE created. He can post in HIS thread as he wishes. Not you, me or anyone else can tell him what he can post in HIS thread. You have three choices. Help him, berate him like you've been doing or don't reply.
Your use of capital letters to attempt to prove your point is impressive.
I appreciate you allowing my post to massage your emotions the way it has. Makes me feel tingly.
I appreciate the fact that you finally recognize that telling someone what to do in their own thread is effin' ridiculous. Even more so where you try to berate someone for replying to their own reply string.
You're batting 0-2 right now. Congrats. I'd love it if you reply with another off topic reply to HIS thread because your e-feelings got hurt. Just leave it alone. If you don't like his replies, don't reply. It's not a difficult concept to grasp
Can't we all just get along?
We're trying to help the OP by answering his questions, but he keeps asking the same ones over and over again.No one else in this thread will tell you this but get your sh$# together already. Stop wasting everyone's time having them explain the same thing to you 50 times. Go lift some damn weights and log off the Internet
This isn't helping anyone
But asking the same question over and over and seemingly ignoring the responses is?
Like I said, it's his thread. No one is being forced to reply against their will. It's up to him to decide what advice is helping. If you can't get through to him, so be it.
It's not his thread...he happens to be the Original Poster, but he doesn't own it. It's a public forum. We all own this thread.
I tend to think the OP owns thread more so than the replies. I try to respect the OP and direct him with advice on topic to his wishes in the original post. He is either free to use the advice as stated, reject it or maybe consider it later. Berating him because he's not following advice exactly how it's been presented doesn't help.
People are allowed to voice their frustration after having given advice for 11 pages.
Sure but how does that help? Like I've said, you might be frustrated but posting that doesn't help him IMHO. It's a public forum and as long as the mods don't delete or close the thread, anyone is able to post anything. The question is "should you"
I suppose it's as helpful as repeating the same answer over and over...
I recommend not repeating the same answer over and over.
Even if it's the right answer? Doesn't matter if he can't understand why the program is made that way. It doesn't change the fact that it's a solid program and better than the butchered program he was doing.
I agree that the 5x5 is a good program. One that he should consider. Maybe just point him to an article like this that will answer most of this questions. although this one does advocate him starting out close to his current 5x5 number
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/sclark70.htm
This one seems really complete as far as the why and how
http://stronglifts.com/5x5/
You're repeating the same advice we've given and nearly identical articles that he's been given that explain everything. Next up, he says he doesn't understand not going to failure and how you are supposed to make progress if you don't fail. Back around on the merry-go-round.
I'll post the advice once. Maybe mention it again once. After that, he's on his own.
We wouldn't have to keep posting it if he didn't keep asking the same questions in different ways. There comes the dilemma. You say pointing out the fact that he's asking questions in circles doesn't help him, but does abandoning it after saying it twice like you do help? I think calling someone on their lack of action and over thinking is better than just walking away.
Ok, then don't get upset about having to repeat the information again and again.
You know, you have contributed nothing to this thread in the last few pages. You abandoned it long ago and have basically come back to yell at everyone for telling him to stop whining and follow a program. Congratulations. You derailed the thread. How was that helpful to him?0 -
JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »honestly, I'm not trying to be a pest. I am trying to get this right and understand it. I want to get results now. I want to start off at something that I can progress with. I feel like, again, people are telling me to start with a weight I should choose. That obviously hasn't helped me out at all the past 3 years.
That's why we keep telling you to FOLLOW THE PROGRAM AS WRITTEN. You will progress quickly and delay stalling. Stop overthinking this.
Seriously. Holy crap man. Stop trying to figure out everything on paper and running this thread in circles. Stop over analyzing things (and doing it poorly) and just go lift some damn weights. You're not trying to be a pest but the level of basic understanding of things that are being laid out for you over and over is mind numbing.
No one else in this thread will tell you this but get your sh$# together already. Stop wasting everyone's time having them explain the same thing to you 50 times. Go lift some damn weights and log off the Internet.
It's his thread. He can ask whatever he wants. If you don't like what he's asking or posting, simply don't reply.
Wait......hold on, let me reread my post to see where I was addressing you.
Brb......
Wait, hold on, let me reread my posts to see where he was addressing YOU. His reply was to me. Then you threw in your 2 cents.
FACT: This is HIS thread that HE created. He can post in HIS thread as he wishes. Not you, me or anyone else can tell him what he can post in HIS thread. You have three choices. Help him, berate him like you've been doing or don't reply.
Your use of capital letters to attempt to prove your point is impressive.
I appreciate you allowing my post to massage your emotions the way it has. Makes me feel tingly.
I appreciate the fact that you finally recognize that telling someone what to do in their own thread is effin' ridiculous. Even more so where you try to berate someone for replying to their own reply string.
You're batting 0-2 right now. Congrats. I'd love it if you reply with another off topic reply to HIS thread because your e-feelings got hurt. Just leave it alone. If you don't like his replies, don't reply. It's not a difficult concept to grasp
Can't we all just get along?
We're trying to help the OP by answering his questions, but he keeps asking the same ones over and over again.No one else in this thread will tell you this but get your sh$# together already. Stop wasting everyone's time having them explain the same thing to you 50 times. Go lift some damn weights and log off the Internet
This isn't helping anyone
But asking the same question over and over and seemingly ignoring the responses is?
Like I said, it's his thread. No one is being forced to reply against their will. It's up to him to decide what advice is helping. If you can't get through to him, so be it.
It's not his thread...he happens to be the Original Poster, but he doesn't own it. It's a public forum. We all own this thread.
I tend to think the OP owns thread more so than the replies. I try to respect the OP and direct him with advice on topic to his wishes in the original post. He is either free to use the advice as stated, reject it or maybe consider it later. Berating him because he's not following advice exactly how it's been presented doesn't help.
People are allowed to voice their frustration after having given advice for 11 pages.
Sure but how does that help? Like I've said, you might be frustrated but posting that doesn't help him IMHO. It's a public forum and as long as the mods don't delete or close the thread, anyone is able to post anything. The question is "should you"
I suppose it's as helpful as repeating the same answer over and over...
I recommend not repeating the same answer over and over.
Even if it's the right answer? Doesn't matter if he can't understand why the program is made that way. It doesn't change the fact that it's a solid program and better than the butchered program he was doing.
I agree that the 5x5 is a good program. One that he should consider. Maybe just point him to an article like this that will answer most of this questions. although this one does advocate him starting out close to his current 5x5 number
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/sclark70.htm
This one seems really complete as far as the why and how
http://stronglifts.com/5x5/
You're repeating the same advice we've given and nearly identical articles that he's been given that explain everything. Next up, he says he doesn't understand not going to failure and how you are supposed to make progress if you don't fail. Back around on the merry-go-round.
I'll post the advice once. Maybe mention it again once. After that, he's on his own.
We wouldn't have to keep posting it if he didn't keep asking the same questions in different ways. There comes the dilemma. You say pointing out the fact that he's asking questions in circles doesn't help him, but does abandoning it after saying it twice like you do help? I think calling someone on their lack of action and over thinking is better than just walking away.
Ok, then don't get upset about having to repeat the information again and again.
You know, you have contributed nothing to this thread in the last few pages. You abandoned it long ago and have basically come back to yell at everyone for telling him to stop whining and follow a program. Congratulations. You derailed the thread. How was that helpful to him?
As is a common theme in every single thread he enters.0 -
JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »honestly, I'm not trying to be a pest. I am trying to get this right and understand it. I want to get results now. I want to start off at something that I can progress with. I feel like, again, people are telling me to start with a weight I should choose. That obviously hasn't helped me out at all the past 3 years.
That's why we keep telling you to FOLLOW THE PROGRAM AS WRITTEN. You will progress quickly and delay stalling. Stop overthinking this.
Seriously. Holy crap man. Stop trying to figure out everything on paper and running this thread in circles. Stop over analyzing things (and doing it poorly) and just go lift some damn weights. You're not trying to be a pest but the level of basic understanding of things that are being laid out for you over and over is mind numbing.
No one else in this thread will tell you this but get your sh$# together already. Stop wasting everyone's time having them explain the same thing to you 50 times. Go lift some damn weights and log off the Internet.
It's his thread. He can ask whatever he wants. If you don't like what he's asking or posting, simply don't reply.
Wait......hold on, let me reread my post to see where I was addressing you.
Brb......
Wait, hold on, let me reread my posts to see where he was addressing YOU. His reply was to me. Then you threw in your 2 cents.
FACT: This is HIS thread that HE created. He can post in HIS thread as he wishes. Not you, me or anyone else can tell him what he can post in HIS thread. You have three choices. Help him, berate him like you've been doing or don't reply.
Your use of capital letters to attempt to prove your point is impressive.
I appreciate you allowing my post to massage your emotions the way it has. Makes me feel tingly.
I appreciate the fact that you finally recognize that telling someone what to do in their own thread is effin' ridiculous. Even more so where you try to berate someone for replying to their own reply string.
You're batting 0-2 right now. Congrats. I'd love it if you reply with another off topic reply to HIS thread because your e-feelings got hurt. Just leave it alone. If you don't like his replies, don't reply. It's not a difficult concept to grasp
Can't we all just get along?
We're trying to help the OP by answering his questions, but he keeps asking the same ones over and over again.No one else in this thread will tell you this but get your sh$# together already. Stop wasting everyone's time having them explain the same thing to you 50 times. Go lift some damn weights and log off the Internet
This isn't helping anyone
But asking the same question over and over and seemingly ignoring the responses is?
Like I said, it's his thread. No one is being forced to reply against their will. It's up to him to decide what advice is helping. If you can't get through to him, so be it.
It's not his thread...he happens to be the Original Poster, but he doesn't own it. It's a public forum. We all own this thread.
I tend to think the OP owns thread more so than the replies. I try to respect the OP and direct him with advice on topic to his wishes in the original post. He is either free to use the advice as stated, reject it or maybe consider it later. Berating him because he's not following advice exactly how it's been presented doesn't help.
People are allowed to voice their frustration after having given advice for 11 pages.
Sure but how does that help? Like I've said, you might be frustrated but posting that doesn't help him IMHO. It's a public forum and as long as the mods don't delete or close the thread, anyone is able to post anything. The question is "should you"
I suppose it's as helpful as repeating the same answer over and over...
I recommend not repeating the same answer over and over.
Even if it's the right answer? Doesn't matter if he can't understand why the program is made that way. It doesn't change the fact that it's a solid program and better than the butchered program he was doing.
I agree that the 5x5 is a good program. One that he should consider. Maybe just point him to an article like this that will answer most of this questions. although this one does advocate him starting out close to his current 5x5 number
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/sclark70.htm
This one seems really complete as far as the why and how
http://stronglifts.com/5x5/
You're repeating the same advice we've given and nearly identical articles that he's been given that explain everything. Next up, he says he doesn't understand not going to failure and how you are supposed to make progress if you don't fail. Back around on the merry-go-round.
I'll post the advice once. Maybe mention it again once. After that, he's on his own.
We wouldn't have to keep posting it if he didn't keep asking the same questions in different ways. There comes the dilemma. You say pointing out the fact that he's asking questions in circles doesn't help him, but does abandoning it after saying it twice like you do help? I think calling someone on their lack of action and over thinking is better than just walking away.
Ok, then don't get upset about having to repeat the information again and again.
You know, you have contributed nothing to this thread in the last few pages. You abandoned it long ago and have basically come back to yell at everyone for telling him to stop whining and follow a program. Congratulations. You derailed the thread. How was that helpful to him?
No one has contributed this thread of the last few pages. You also derailed the thread as much as anyone else. Point?0 -
LolBroScience wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »honestly, I'm not trying to be a pest. I am trying to get this right and understand it. I want to get results now. I want to start off at something that I can progress with. I feel like, again, people are telling me to start with a weight I should choose. That obviously hasn't helped me out at all the past 3 years.
That's why we keep telling you to FOLLOW THE PROGRAM AS WRITTEN. You will progress quickly and delay stalling. Stop overthinking this.
Seriously. Holy crap man. Stop trying to figure out everything on paper and running this thread in circles. Stop over analyzing things (and doing it poorly) and just go lift some damn weights. You're not trying to be a pest but the level of basic understanding of things that are being laid out for you over and over is mind numbing.
No one else in this thread will tell you this but get your sh$# together already. Stop wasting everyone's time having them explain the same thing to you 50 times. Go lift some damn weights and log off the Internet.
It's his thread. He can ask whatever he wants. If you don't like what he's asking or posting, simply don't reply.
Wait......hold on, let me reread my post to see where I was addressing you.
Brb......
Wait, hold on, let me reread my posts to see where he was addressing YOU. His reply was to me. Then you threw in your 2 cents.
FACT: This is HIS thread that HE created. He can post in HIS thread as he wishes. Not you, me or anyone else can tell him what he can post in HIS thread. You have three choices. Help him, berate him like you've been doing or don't reply.
Your use of capital letters to attempt to prove your point is impressive.
I appreciate you allowing my post to massage your emotions the way it has. Makes me feel tingly.
I appreciate the fact that you finally recognize that telling someone what to do in their own thread is effin' ridiculous. Even more so where you try to berate someone for replying to their own reply string.
You're batting 0-2 right now. Congrats. I'd love it if you reply with another off topic reply to HIS thread because your e-feelings got hurt. Just leave it alone. If you don't like his replies, don't reply. It's not a difficult concept to grasp
Can't we all just get along?
We're trying to help the OP by answering his questions, but he keeps asking the same ones over and over again.No one else in this thread will tell you this but get your sh$# together already. Stop wasting everyone's time having them explain the same thing to you 50 times. Go lift some damn weights and log off the Internet
This isn't helping anyone
But asking the same question over and over and seemingly ignoring the responses is?
Like I said, it's his thread. No one is being forced to reply against their will. It's up to him to decide what advice is helping. If you can't get through to him, so be it.
It's not his thread...he happens to be the Original Poster, but he doesn't own it. It's a public forum. We all own this thread.
I tend to think the OP owns thread more so than the replies. I try to respect the OP and direct him with advice on topic to his wishes in the original post. He is either free to use the advice as stated, reject it or maybe consider it later. Berating him because he's not following advice exactly how it's been presented doesn't help.
People are allowed to voice their frustration after having given advice for 11 pages.
Sure but how does that help? Like I've said, you might be frustrated but posting that doesn't help him IMHO. It's a public forum and as long as the mods don't delete or close the thread, anyone is able to post anything. The question is "should you"
I suppose it's as helpful as repeating the same answer over and over...
I recommend not repeating the same answer over and over.
Even if it's the right answer? Doesn't matter if he can't understand why the program is made that way. It doesn't change the fact that it's a solid program and better than the butchered program he was doing.
I agree that the 5x5 is a good program. One that he should consider. Maybe just point him to an article like this that will answer most of this questions. although this one does advocate him starting out close to his current 5x5 number
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/sclark70.htm
This one seems really complete as far as the why and how
http://stronglifts.com/5x5/
You're repeating the same advice we've given and nearly identical articles that he's been given that explain everything. Next up, he says he doesn't understand not going to failure and how you are supposed to make progress if you don't fail. Back around on the merry-go-round.
I'll post the advice once. Maybe mention it again once. After that, he's on his own.
We wouldn't have to keep posting it if he didn't keep asking the same questions in different ways. There comes the dilemma. You say pointing out the fact that he's asking questions in circles doesn't help him, but does abandoning it after saying it twice like you do help? I think calling someone on their lack of action and over thinking is better than just walking away.
Ok, then don't get upset about having to repeat the information again and again.
You know, you have contributed nothing to this thread in the last few pages. You abandoned it long ago and have basically come back to yell at everyone for telling him to stop whining and follow a program. Congratulations. You derailed the thread. How was that helpful to him?
As is a common theme in every single thread he enters.
Only when you are in it. but your little group, never derails threads right?0 -
JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »honestly, I'm not trying to be a pest. I am trying to get this right and understand it. I want to get results now. I want to start off at something that I can progress with. I feel like, again, people are telling me to start with a weight I should choose. That obviously hasn't helped me out at all the past 3 years.
That's why we keep telling you to FOLLOW THE PROGRAM AS WRITTEN. You will progress quickly and delay stalling. Stop overthinking this.
Seriously. Holy crap man. Stop trying to figure out everything on paper and running this thread in circles. Stop over analyzing things (and doing it poorly) and just go lift some damn weights. You're not trying to be a pest but the level of basic understanding of things that are being laid out for you over and over is mind numbing.
No one else in this thread will tell you this but get your sh$# together already. Stop wasting everyone's time having them explain the same thing to you 50 times. Go lift some damn weights and log off the Internet.
It's his thread. He can ask whatever he wants. If you don't like what he's asking or posting, simply don't reply.
Wait......hold on, let me reread my post to see where I was addressing you.
Brb......
Wait, hold on, let me reread my posts to see where he was addressing YOU. His reply was to me. Then you threw in your 2 cents.
FACT: This is HIS thread that HE created. He can post in HIS thread as he wishes. Not you, me or anyone else can tell him what he can post in HIS thread. You have three choices. Help him, berate him like you've been doing or don't reply.
Your use of capital letters to attempt to prove your point is impressive.
I appreciate you allowing my post to massage your emotions the way it has. Makes me feel tingly.
I appreciate the fact that you finally recognize that telling someone what to do in their own thread is effin' ridiculous. Even more so where you try to berate someone for replying to their own reply string.
You're batting 0-2 right now. Congrats. I'd love it if you reply with another off topic reply to HIS thread because your e-feelings got hurt. Just leave it alone. If you don't like his replies, don't reply. It's not a difficult concept to grasp
Can't we all just get along?
We're trying to help the OP by answering his questions, but he keeps asking the same ones over and over again.No one else in this thread will tell you this but get your sh$# together already. Stop wasting everyone's time having them explain the same thing to you 50 times. Go lift some damn weights and log off the Internet
This isn't helping anyone
But asking the same question over and over and seemingly ignoring the responses is?
Like I said, it's his thread. No one is being forced to reply against their will. It's up to him to decide what advice is helping. If you can't get through to him, so be it.
It's not his thread...he happens to be the Original Poster, but he doesn't own it. It's a public forum. We all own this thread.
I tend to think the OP owns thread more so than the replies. I try to respect the OP and direct him with advice on topic to his wishes in the original post. He is either free to use the advice as stated, reject it or maybe consider it later. Berating him because he's not following advice exactly how it's been presented doesn't help.
People are allowed to voice their frustration after having given advice for 11 pages.
Sure but how does that help? Like I've said, you might be frustrated but posting that doesn't help him IMHO. It's a public forum and as long as the mods don't delete or close the thread, anyone is able to post anything. The question is "should you"
I suppose it's as helpful as repeating the same answer over and over...
I recommend not repeating the same answer over and over.
Even if it's the right answer? Doesn't matter if he can't understand why the program is made that way. It doesn't change the fact that it's a solid program and better than the butchered program he was doing.
I agree that the 5x5 is a good program. One that he should consider. Maybe just point him to an article like this that will answer most of this questions. although this one does advocate him starting out close to his current 5x5 number
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/sclark70.htm
This one seems really complete as far as the why and how
http://stronglifts.com/5x5/
You're repeating the same advice we've given and nearly identical articles that he's been given that explain everything. Next up, he says he doesn't understand not going to failure and how you are supposed to make progress if you don't fail. Back around on the merry-go-round.
I'll post the advice once. Maybe mention it again once. After that, he's on his own.
We wouldn't have to keep posting it if he didn't keep asking the same questions in different ways. There comes the dilemma. You say pointing out the fact that he's asking questions in circles doesn't help him, but does abandoning it after saying it twice like you do help? I think calling someone on their lack of action and over thinking is better than just walking away.
Ok, then don't get upset about having to repeat the information again and again.
You know, you have contributed nothing to this thread in the last few pages. You abandoned it long ago and have basically come back to yell at everyone for telling him to stop whining and follow a program. Congratulations. You derailed the thread. How was that helpful to him?
No one has contributed this thread of the last few pages. You also derailed the thread as much as anyone else. Point?
No. Was still about programming and answering questions until you responded to Mr.0 -
JeffseekingV wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »honestly, I'm not trying to be a pest. I am trying to get this right and understand it. I want to get results now. I want to start off at something that I can progress with. I feel like, again, people are telling me to start with a weight I should choose. That obviously hasn't helped me out at all the past 3 years.
That's why we keep telling you to FOLLOW THE PROGRAM AS WRITTEN. You will progress quickly and delay stalling. Stop overthinking this.
Seriously. Holy crap man. Stop trying to figure out everything on paper and running this thread in circles. Stop over analyzing things (and doing it poorly) and just go lift some damn weights. You're not trying to be a pest but the level of basic understanding of things that are being laid out for you over and over is mind numbing.
No one else in this thread will tell you this but get your sh$# together already. Stop wasting everyone's time having them explain the same thing to you 50 times. Go lift some damn weights and log off the Internet.
It's his thread. He can ask whatever he wants. If you don't like what he's asking or posting, simply don't reply.
Wait......hold on, let me reread my post to see where I was addressing you.
Brb......
Wait, hold on, let me reread my posts to see where he was addressing YOU. His reply was to me. Then you threw in your 2 cents.
FACT: This is HIS thread that HE created. He can post in HIS thread as he wishes. Not you, me or anyone else can tell him what he can post in HIS thread. You have three choices. Help him, berate him like you've been doing or don't reply.
Your use of capital letters to attempt to prove your point is impressive.
I appreciate you allowing my post to massage your emotions the way it has. Makes me feel tingly.
I appreciate the fact that you finally recognize that telling someone what to do in their own thread is effin' ridiculous. Even more so where you try to berate someone for replying to their own reply string.
You're batting 0-2 right now. Congrats. I'd love it if you reply with another off topic reply to HIS thread because your e-feelings got hurt. Just leave it alone. If you don't like his replies, don't reply. It's not a difficult concept to grasp
Can't we all just get along?
We're trying to help the OP by answering his questions, but he keeps asking the same ones over and over again.No one else in this thread will tell you this but get your sh$# together already. Stop wasting everyone's time having them explain the same thing to you 50 times. Go lift some damn weights and log off the Internet
This isn't helping anyone
But asking the same question over and over and seemingly ignoring the responses is?
Like I said, it's his thread. No one is being forced to reply against their will. It's up to him to decide what advice is helping. If you can't get through to him, so be it.
It's not his thread...he happens to be the Original Poster, but he doesn't own it. It's a public forum. We all own this thread.
I tend to think the OP owns thread more so than the replies. I try to respect the OP and direct him with advice on topic to his wishes in the original post. He is either free to use the advice as stated, reject it or maybe consider it later. Berating him because he's not following advice exactly how it's been presented doesn't help.
People are allowed to voice their frustration after having given advice for 11 pages.
Sure but how does that help? Like I've said, you might be frustrated but posting that doesn't help him IMHO. It's a public forum and as long as the mods don't delete or close the thread, anyone is able to post anything. The question is "should you"
I suppose it's as helpful as repeating the same answer over and over...
I recommend not repeating the same answer over and over.
Even if it's the right answer? Doesn't matter if he can't understand why the program is made that way. It doesn't change the fact that it's a solid program and better than the butchered program he was doing.
I agree that the 5x5 is a good program. One that he should consider. Maybe just point him to an article like this that will answer most of this questions. although this one does advocate him starting out close to his current 5x5 number
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/sclark70.htm
This one seems really complete as far as the why and how
http://stronglifts.com/5x5/
You're repeating the same advice we've given and nearly identical articles that he's been given that explain everything. Next up, he says he doesn't understand not going to failure and how you are supposed to make progress if you don't fail. Back around on the merry-go-round.
I'll post the advice once. Maybe mention it again once. After that, he's on his own.
We wouldn't have to keep posting it if he didn't keep asking the same questions in different ways. There comes the dilemma. You say pointing out the fact that he's asking questions in circles doesn't help him, but does abandoning it after saying it twice like you do help? I think calling someone on their lack of action and over thinking is better than just walking away.
Ok, then don't get upset about having to repeat the information again and again.
You know, you have contributed nothing to this thread in the last few pages. You abandoned it long ago and have basically come back to yell at everyone for telling him to stop whining and follow a program. Congratulations. You derailed the thread. How was that helpful to him?
As is a common theme in every single thread he enters.
Only when you are in it. but your little group, never derails threads right?
Funny how nearly everyone else feels the exact same about you. Odds are not in your favor.0 -
LolBroScience wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »honestly, I'm not trying to be a pest. I am trying to get this right and understand it. I want to get results now. I want to start off at something that I can progress with. I feel like, again, people are telling me to start with a weight I should choose. That obviously hasn't helped me out at all the past 3 years.
That's why we keep telling you to FOLLOW THE PROGRAM AS WRITTEN. You will progress quickly and delay stalling. Stop overthinking this.
Seriously. Holy crap man. Stop trying to figure out everything on paper and running this thread in circles. Stop over analyzing things (and doing it poorly) and just go lift some damn weights. You're not trying to be a pest but the level of basic understanding of things that are being laid out for you over and over is mind numbing.
No one else in this thread will tell you this but get your sh$# together already. Stop wasting everyone's time having them explain the same thing to you 50 times. Go lift some damn weights and log off the Internet.
It's his thread. He can ask whatever he wants. If you don't like what he's asking or posting, simply don't reply.
Wait......hold on, let me reread my post to see where I was addressing you.
Brb......
Wait, hold on, let me reread my posts to see where he was addressing YOU. His reply was to me. Then you threw in your 2 cents.
FACT: This is HIS thread that HE created. He can post in HIS thread as he wishes. Not you, me or anyone else can tell him what he can post in HIS thread. You have three choices. Help him, berate him like you've been doing or don't reply.
Your use of capital letters to attempt to prove your point is impressive.
I appreciate you allowing my post to massage your emotions the way it has. Makes me feel tingly.
I appreciate the fact that you finally recognize that telling someone what to do in their own thread is effin' ridiculous. Even more so where you try to berate someone for replying to their own reply string.
You're batting 0-2 right now. Congrats. I'd love it if you reply with another off topic reply to HIS thread because your e-feelings got hurt. Just leave it alone. If you don't like his replies, don't reply. It's not a difficult concept to grasp
Can't we all just get along?
We're trying to help the OP by answering his questions, but he keeps asking the same ones over and over again.No one else in this thread will tell you this but get your sh$# together already. Stop wasting everyone's time having them explain the same thing to you 50 times. Go lift some damn weights and log off the Internet
This isn't helping anyone
But asking the same question over and over and seemingly ignoring the responses is?
Like I said, it's his thread. No one is being forced to reply against their will. It's up to him to decide what advice is helping. If you can't get through to him, so be it.
It's not his thread...he happens to be the Original Poster, but he doesn't own it. It's a public forum. We all own this thread.
I tend to think the OP owns thread more so than the replies. I try to respect the OP and direct him with advice on topic to his wishes in the original post. He is either free to use the advice as stated, reject it or maybe consider it later. Berating him because he's not following advice exactly how it's been presented doesn't help.
People are allowed to voice their frustration after having given advice for 11 pages.
Sure but how does that help? Like I've said, you might be frustrated but posting that doesn't help him IMHO. It's a public forum and as long as the mods don't delete or close the thread, anyone is able to post anything. The question is "should you"
I suppose it's as helpful as repeating the same answer over and over...
I recommend not repeating the same answer over and over.
Even if it's the right answer? Doesn't matter if he can't understand why the program is made that way. It doesn't change the fact that it's a solid program and better than the butchered program he was doing.
I agree that the 5x5 is a good program. One that he should consider. Maybe just point him to an article like this that will answer most of this questions. although this one does advocate him starting out close to his current 5x5 number
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/sclark70.htm
This one seems really complete as far as the why and how
http://stronglifts.com/5x5/
You're repeating the same advice we've given and nearly identical articles that he's been given that explain everything. Next up, he says he doesn't understand not going to failure and how you are supposed to make progress if you don't fail. Back around on the merry-go-round.
I'll post the advice once. Maybe mention it again once. After that, he's on his own.
We wouldn't have to keep posting it if he didn't keep asking the same questions in different ways. There comes the dilemma. You say pointing out the fact that he's asking questions in circles doesn't help him, but does abandoning it after saying it twice like you do help? I think calling someone on their lack of action and over thinking is better than just walking away.
Ok, then don't get upset about having to repeat the information again and again.
You know, you have contributed nothing to this thread in the last few pages. You abandoned it long ago and have basically come back to yell at everyone for telling him to stop whining and follow a program. Congratulations. You derailed the thread. How was that helpful to him?
No one has contributed this thread of the last few pages. You also derailed the thread as much as anyone else. Point?
No. Was still about programming and answering questions until you responded to Mr.
Was that helpful?
It was about your group berating him for not following your advice. You know I think he will take your advice. but I think it might take 20-30 more repeats.0 -
JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »honestly, I'm not trying to be a pest. I am trying to get this right and understand it. I want to get results now. I want to start off at something that I can progress with. I feel like, again, people are telling me to start with a weight I should choose. That obviously hasn't helped me out at all the past 3 years.
That's why we keep telling you to FOLLOW THE PROGRAM AS WRITTEN. You will progress quickly and delay stalling. Stop overthinking this.
Seriously. Holy crap man. Stop trying to figure out everything on paper and running this thread in circles. Stop over analyzing things (and doing it poorly) and just go lift some damn weights. You're not trying to be a pest but the level of basic understanding of things that are being laid out for you over and over is mind numbing.
No one else in this thread will tell you this but get your sh$# together already. Stop wasting everyone's time having them explain the same thing to you 50 times. Go lift some damn weights and log off the Internet.
It's his thread. He can ask whatever he wants. If you don't like what he's asking or posting, simply don't reply.
Wait......hold on, let me reread my post to see where I was addressing you.
Brb......
Wait, hold on, let me reread my posts to see where he was addressing YOU. His reply was to me. Then you threw in your 2 cents.
FACT: This is HIS thread that HE created. He can post in HIS thread as he wishes. Not you, me or anyone else can tell him what he can post in HIS thread. You have three choices. Help him, berate him like you've been doing or don't reply.
Your use of capital letters to attempt to prove your point is impressive.
I appreciate you allowing my post to massage your emotions the way it has. Makes me feel tingly.
I appreciate the fact that you finally recognize that telling someone what to do in their own thread is effin' ridiculous. Even more so where you try to berate someone for replying to their own reply string.
You're batting 0-2 right now. Congrats. I'd love it if you reply with another off topic reply to HIS thread because your e-feelings got hurt. Just leave it alone. If you don't like his replies, don't reply. It's not a difficult concept to grasp
Can't we all just get along?
We're trying to help the OP by answering his questions, but he keeps asking the same ones over and over again.No one else in this thread will tell you this but get your sh$# together already. Stop wasting everyone's time having them explain the same thing to you 50 times. Go lift some damn weights and log off the Internet
This isn't helping anyone
But asking the same question over and over and seemingly ignoring the responses is?
Like I said, it's his thread. No one is being forced to reply against their will. It's up to him to decide what advice is helping. If you can't get through to him, so be it.
It's not his thread...he happens to be the Original Poster, but he doesn't own it. It's a public forum. We all own this thread.
I tend to think the OP owns thread more so than the replies. I try to respect the OP and direct him with advice on topic to his wishes in the original post. He is either free to use the advice as stated, reject it or maybe consider it later. Berating him because he's not following advice exactly how it's been presented doesn't help.
People are allowed to voice their frustration after having given advice for 11 pages.
Sure but how does that help? Like I've said, you might be frustrated but posting that doesn't help him IMHO. It's a public forum and as long as the mods don't delete or close the thread, anyone is able to post anything. The question is "should you"
I suppose it's as helpful as repeating the same answer over and over...
I recommend not repeating the same answer over and over.
Even if it's the right answer? Doesn't matter if he can't understand why the program is made that way. It doesn't change the fact that it's a solid program and better than the butchered program he was doing.
I agree that the 5x5 is a good program. One that he should consider. Maybe just point him to an article like this that will answer most of this questions. although this one does advocate him starting out close to his current 5x5 number
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/sclark70.htm
This one seems really complete as far as the why and how
http://stronglifts.com/5x5/
You're repeating the same advice we've given and nearly identical articles that he's been given that explain everything. Next up, he says he doesn't understand not going to failure and how you are supposed to make progress if you don't fail. Back around on the merry-go-round.
I'll post the advice once. Maybe mention it again once. After that, he's on his own.
We wouldn't have to keep posting it if he didn't keep asking the same questions in different ways. There comes the dilemma. You say pointing out the fact that he's asking questions in circles doesn't help him, but does abandoning it after saying it twice like you do help? I think calling someone on their lack of action and over thinking is better than just walking away.
Ok, then don't get upset about having to repeat the information again and again.
You know, you have contributed nothing to this thread in the last few pages. You abandoned it long ago and have basically come back to yell at everyone for telling him to stop whining and follow a program. Congratulations. You derailed the thread. How was that helpful to him?
No one has contributed this thread of the last few pages. You also derailed the thread as much as anyone else. Point?
I'm still contributing by addressing the issue. He does not follow the programs as they are built and that is why he makes little to no progress. Period. I keep saying that. That's all that needs to be said at this point. Pick a program and follow it.0 -
LolBroScience wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »honestly, I'm not trying to be a pest. I am trying to get this right and understand it. I want to get results now. I want to start off at something that I can progress with. I feel like, again, people are telling me to start with a weight I should choose. That obviously hasn't helped me out at all the past 3 years.
That's why we keep telling you to FOLLOW THE PROGRAM AS WRITTEN. You will progress quickly and delay stalling. Stop overthinking this.
Seriously. Holy crap man. Stop trying to figure out everything on paper and running this thread in circles. Stop over analyzing things (and doing it poorly) and just go lift some damn weights. You're not trying to be a pest but the level of basic understanding of things that are being laid out for you over and over is mind numbing.
No one else in this thread will tell you this but get your sh$# together already. Stop wasting everyone's time having them explain the same thing to you 50 times. Go lift some damn weights and log off the Internet.
It's his thread. He can ask whatever he wants. If you don't like what he's asking or posting, simply don't reply.
Wait......hold on, let me reread my post to see where I was addressing you.
Brb......
Wait, hold on, let me reread my posts to see where he was addressing YOU. His reply was to me. Then you threw in your 2 cents.
FACT: This is HIS thread that HE created. He can post in HIS thread as he wishes. Not you, me or anyone else can tell him what he can post in HIS thread. You have three choices. Help him, berate him like you've been doing or don't reply.
Your use of capital letters to attempt to prove your point is impressive.
I appreciate you allowing my post to massage your emotions the way it has. Makes me feel tingly.
I appreciate the fact that you finally recognize that telling someone what to do in their own thread is effin' ridiculous. Even more so where you try to berate someone for replying to their own reply string.
You're batting 0-2 right now. Congrats. I'd love it if you reply with another off topic reply to HIS thread because your e-feelings got hurt. Just leave it alone. If you don't like his replies, don't reply. It's not a difficult concept to grasp
Can't we all just get along?
We're trying to help the OP by answering his questions, but he keeps asking the same ones over and over again.No one else in this thread will tell you this but get your sh$# together already. Stop wasting everyone's time having them explain the same thing to you 50 times. Go lift some damn weights and log off the Internet
This isn't helping anyone
But asking the same question over and over and seemingly ignoring the responses is?
Like I said, it's his thread. No one is being forced to reply against their will. It's up to him to decide what advice is helping. If you can't get through to him, so be it.
It's not his thread...he happens to be the Original Poster, but he doesn't own it. It's a public forum. We all own this thread.
I tend to think the OP owns thread more so than the replies. I try to respect the OP and direct him with advice on topic to his wishes in the original post. He is either free to use the advice as stated, reject it or maybe consider it later. Berating him because he's not following advice exactly how it's been presented doesn't help.
People are allowed to voice their frustration after having given advice for 11 pages.
Sure but how does that help? Like I've said, you might be frustrated but posting that doesn't help him IMHO. It's a public forum and as long as the mods don't delete or close the thread, anyone is able to post anything. The question is "should you"
I suppose it's as helpful as repeating the same answer over and over...
I recommend not repeating the same answer over and over.
Even if it's the right answer? Doesn't matter if he can't understand why the program is made that way. It doesn't change the fact that it's a solid program and better than the butchered program he was doing.
I agree that the 5x5 is a good program. One that he should consider. Maybe just point him to an article like this that will answer most of this questions. although this one does advocate him starting out close to his current 5x5 number
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/sclark70.htm
This one seems really complete as far as the why and how
http://stronglifts.com/5x5/
You're repeating the same advice we've given and nearly identical articles that he's been given that explain everything. Next up, he says he doesn't understand not going to failure and how you are supposed to make progress if you don't fail. Back around on the merry-go-round.
I'll post the advice once. Maybe mention it again once. After that, he's on his own.
We wouldn't have to keep posting it if he didn't keep asking the same questions in different ways. There comes the dilemma. You say pointing out the fact that he's asking questions in circles doesn't help him, but does abandoning it after saying it twice like you do help? I think calling someone on their lack of action and over thinking is better than just walking away.
Ok, then don't get upset about having to repeat the information again and again.
You know, you have contributed nothing to this thread in the last few pages. You abandoned it long ago and have basically come back to yell at everyone for telling him to stop whining and follow a program. Congratulations. You derailed the thread. How was that helpful to him?
As is a common theme in every single thread he enters.
Only when you are in it. but your little group, never derails threads right?
Funny how nearly everyone else feels the exact same about you. Odds are not in your favor.
Interesting 3-4 out of the estimated 30 million users and you constitute that as "everyone".0
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