If eating trash makes us sick, why do we keep eating it?
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How about this...
The earth opens up and swallows people while they're just lying in bed. About a year ago (maybe two), some guy not that far from here was just lying in bed and the earth swallowed him up. It's scary chit.
Mother Nature is not always a nice woman.
I enjoy alpine climbing, although to this point I kinda suck at it.
I have seen many ways first hand how nature has no issues with eating us, for good.0 -
Whoa. This thread took a turn for the better. Didn't think I'd find out so much about tornadoes. Much better than eating trash... Wait. Have we determined what trash is?0
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what happened to dumpster diving and binging on toxic waste?0
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Are you serious? Sound cold. I do not understand mountain climbing. They always use a rope, suspended from above. How does the rope get up there? If they go up there to nail it into the rock, how come they go back down?How about this...
The earth opens up and swallows people while they're just lying in bed. About a year ago (maybe two), some guy not that far from here was just lying in bed and the earth swallowed him up. It's scary chit.
Mother Nature is not always a nice woman.
I enjoy alpine climbing, although to this point I kinda suck at it.
I have seen many ways first hand how nature has no issues with eating us, for good.
I know it has to make sense. I just cannot make sense out of it.
Mother Nature is a fickle beeyatch.0 -
dbmata, what! Australians behaving badly in Bail is the most screwed up statement in this forum?? Gosh there is even a TV show about it at the moment called "What Really Happens In Bali" so it hardly a radical, new or untrue statement. Actually, not very exciting at all, just a passing comment to Charlotte.0
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dbmata, what! Australians behaving badly in Bail is the most screwed up statement in this forum?? Gosh there is even a TV show about it at the moment called "What Really Happens In Bali" so it hardly a radical, new or untrue statement. Actually, not very exciting at all, just a passing comment to Charlotte.
But that show is hardly representative of all Australians in Australia, is it? - which is what you implied in your post.
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Now you are simply being ridiculous!! Of course it is not representative of all Australians and I would never imply that. Australians, are in general, amazing people but every country has its idiots. Get over it and move onto something a bit more interesting as I am not at all interested in continuing this stupid conversation.0
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Charlotte, I gave up defending my fellow Australians years ago. You just have to go to Bali and you will see some dreadful behaviour at times and their eating habits and idols seem to revolve around alcohol. Fun loving and gorgeous people but at times not too bright.
Why did you post this then?
What is the relevance of a few Australians in Bali to the thread?
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"food" companies (I use quotes because if it needs to be manufactured, is it really food?) hire chemists whose sole purpose is to figure out how to make foods more addictive. They then hire lobbyists to get ingredients cleared by the FDA.
I try not to eat anything that doesnt come out of the ground or that once walked upon it, in its most natural state. That generally means avoiding anything processed, canned, in boxes...eg: the entire center section of a grocery store.
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paperpudding wrote: »My thoughts are that 'trash food' is fine in moderation and your issue is portion control rather than the actual foods.
I totally agree - i think that basically anything is okay in moderation with proper portion sizes - which is why fast food has become so problematic. If we were using junk food and fast food as a quick meal every now and then or a treat, then it would be okay. But the fact that we depend so heavily on so many processed foods/indulge in them so excessively yet view them with such hatred is not only illogical but counterproductive. Gah. We - collectively as a society that is....not most people on MFP - are cultivating a society that has such an unhealthy relationship with food. It's insane!
If you're looking for a literal answer, there are neurological reasons why your body does that, which tie into things like adaptation, lifestyle, and habits.0 -
TheBeerRunner wrote: »All that ****ty food activates the pleasure center of the brain, and it triggers addictive tendencies, a lot like cocaine or other hard drugs. Lots of people obviously have a hard time dealing with it and go nuts all the time on it, hence why we're a nation of ticking obese diabetic time bombs.
Food and cocaine (hard drugs) are not comparable.
It depends in what sense you're talking about. They both trigger the same response in your dopaminergic pathway if you habitually over-indulge in food, but the only difference is that cocaine creates the potential for dependence, which junk food does not. You don't go into dangerous withdrawals when you stop eating junk food (worst comes to worst you crave whatever foods you're cutting back on, and you get anxious about that). They both affect your reward 'system', but i'd care to bet that cocaine is a bit stronger when it comes to altering your reward system, in comparison to food. That doesn't mean they're not similar experiences though (just like one wouldn't say that benzodiazepine addictions don't exist because heroin is harder for one to quit than a benzodiazepine addiction).
So technically they are in one sense comparable - but at the same time are by no means the same experience nor do they produce the same effect.
Regardless of whether it be cocaine or food though, if somebody wants to make a positive change in their life, they have control over whether or not they pursue treatment/ the resources to make such changes. They may not control the genetic/neurological cards they were drawn, but they can choose to educate themselves, seek out therapy, see a nutritionist, etc., to take care of the problem. I felt the need to clarify this, since people above were under the impression that this perspective may imply that people shouldn't take personal responsibility for themselves, which is the polar opposite of how i view these sorts of situations. I cannot stand when people use things like this as a cop-out because to be quite frank, they're not. We should all be held accountable for our actions and decisions.
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Random thought of the day. If so many people are avoiding "processed foods" because they're evil/horrible/killing everyone, that means they're avoiding all the foods that have been fortified with folic acid. If the trend continues, I wonder if there will be an increase in the incidence of birth defects in unplanned pregnancies...0
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Random thought of the day. If so many people are avoiding "processed foods" because they're evil/horrible/killing everyone, that means they're avoiding all the foods that have been fortified with folic acid. If the trend continues, I wonder if there will be an increase in the incidence of birth defects in unplanned pregnancies...
I think that would be unlikely - don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of this Avoid Processed Foods philosophy - but I do think people turning from processed foods and eating more whole foods like fruit and veg are likely to get enough natural folic acid in their diets, given foods like leafy green veg are naturally high in folic acid.
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it tastes good. also calling any food "trash" is inappropriate. Give "trash" to the hungry then and problem solved.
Try moderation or quitting altogether, completely giving up on sugary or fatty foods never worked for me, although it works great for a lot of people.
Have very tasty, healthy meals, there's a lot of awesome recipes here on mfp forum. It's important that you enjoy your healthy food, so you don't feel deprived and you are likely to have less of the fattening stuff.0 -
Torontonius wrote: »"food" companies (I use quotes because if it needs to be manufactured, is it really food?) hire chemists whose sole purpose is to figure out how to make foods more addictive. They then hire lobbyists to get ingredients cleared by the FDA.
I try not to eat anything that doesnt come out of the ground or that once walked upon it, in its most natural state. That generally means avoiding anything processed, canned, in boxes...eg: the entire center section of a grocery store.
Please provide an actual source for you claims. Not personal opinion, let's see actual evidence.
Yes please.0 -
–Just because you can does not mean you should. Dieting without exercising is IMO a path to disordered eating...Wrong because you can always control your weight through diet no matter how little exercise you do
Again I respectfully disagree...which makes diet the primary component for success.
Not true. Again, I said within reason. That said, the physical adaptations one experiences from exercise change the game with which the body utilizes calories which again IMO, makes exercise the primary component...You can't out-exercise any diet, which makes exercise a secondary component for success.
–Agreed. More leeway means better compliance which means better success...Of course people who exercise some have a higher rate of success because they have more leeway in their diet. No argument there.
–Something as simple as long walks, hikes, playing with kids to as intense as a marathon or intense weight lifting. It means being active every day. The more advanced society becomes, the lazier IMO we become.Well, OK. Then what exactly does daily exercise mean to you?
–Absolutely disagree. Again, just because you can does not mean you should. Why make it harder on yourself by excluding something you should be doing anyway.Daily exercise is not necessary to keep weight off.
Clearly we're going to disagree on this one, but the notion that losing your weight solely through dieting is a path to disordered eating is just nuts to me. That's exactly how plenty of other people on this site lost their weight. I almost count among this group, except that I was doing slo-fit at the time 1x per wk (so you can figure <100 cals burned). Other than that, I had a desk job. No disordered eating here, unless you count logging. Even that gets dropped on occasion (vacations, holidays, just plain inconvenient).
And frankly, I don't see why you 'should' be exercising 7 days a week. It certainly isn't necessary for health or for weight maintenance. Many don't have to exercise at all and can be healthy and maintain their weight if they watch their diet.
Is it better to exercise? Sure. Always better to be stronger, more flexible, have more endurance, etc. But you can do those things 3, 4 or 5 days a week with at least equal results as someone exercising 7 days a week. And if you're working at high intensity, those days off become important.
Exercise is certainly not necessary for weight loss, or maintenance. There are plenty of people that are unable to exercise due to medical conditions, but they can still lose, or maintain a healthy weight through diet alone. Exercising alone won't do anything to help weight unless you also monitor intake, whether by calorie counting, or other methods. Calories in vs calories out still applies. You SHOULD exercise for optimal health, of course, but again, it's not NECESSARY for weight control. And it's certainly not NECESSARY to exercise EVERY day.
Daily physical activity is the foundation of energy balance...
So, you can't have a negative energy balance without exercise?
Never said can't. But again, just because you can does not mean you should.0 -
Torontonius wrote: »"food" companies (I use quotes because if it needs to be manufactured, is it really food?) hire chemists whose sole purpose is to figure out how to make foods more addictive. They then hire lobbyists to get ingredients cleared by the FDA.
I try not to eat anything that doesnt come out of the ground or that once walked upon it, in its most natural state. That generally means avoiding anything processed, canned, in boxes...eg: the entire center section of a grocery store.
Surprisingly you have an open diary. Since when does protein powder? Jar Butter chicken sauce? Fresh - Grilled Beer Can Chicken.... all those out of your diary0 -
paperpudding wrote: »
Charlotte, I gave up defending my fellow Australians years ago. You just have to go to Bali and you will see some dreadful behaviour at times and their eating habits and idols seem to revolve around alcohol. Fun loving and gorgeous people but at times not too bright.
Why did you post this then?
What is the relevance of a few Australians in Bali to the thread?
I was wrong, I thought you were taking a patronizing position towards the "third world" Bali-ans. I know aussies misbehave.0 -
Not really. Depends on the climbing you're talking about. Big mountain expeditions like Denali, Everest. People will climb up at the start of the season and anchor ropes up for ascending. In other places, the ropes are for descent, and you go up there on your own foot power. Ropes are expensive, fickle, and an asset you don't want to leave, so in general you are going to carry it, or wear it (for crevasse fields). Your axe, crampons, and ability to play mountain goat are what gets you up a mountain. axe, crampons, rope and anchoring ability is what gets you down.zachbonner wrote: »
Are you serious? Sound cold. I do not understand mountain climbing. They always use a rope, suspended from above. How does the rope get up there? If they go up there to nail it into the rock, how come they go back down?How about this...
The earth opens up and swallows people while they're just lying in bed. About a year ago (maybe two), some guy not that far from here was just lying in bed and the earth swallowed him up. It's scary chit.
Mother Nature is not always a nice woman.
I enjoy alpine climbing, although to this point I kinda suck at it.
I have seen many ways first hand how nature has no issues with eating us, for good.
I know it has to make sense. I just cannot make sense out of it.
Mother Nature is a fickle beeyatch.
they go up first by helicopter to set up the ropes
Sometimes nature "helps", like what happened on Rainier's Liberty Ridge this year, and that's sad when that happens.
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Torontonius wrote: »"food" companies (I use quotes because if it needs to be manufactured, is it really food?) hire chemists whose sole purpose is to figure out how to make foods more addictive. They then hire lobbyists to get ingredients cleared by the FDA.
I try not to eat anything that doesnt come out of the ground or that once walked upon it, in its most natural state. That generally means avoiding anything processed, canned, in boxes...eg: the entire center section of a grocery store.
Please provide an actual source for you claims. Not personal opinion, let's see actual evidence.
Also, we have the FDA in Canada now? I think someone's tinfoil hat is on too tight...
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