Paleo vs Eatting clean?
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tennisdude2004 wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
Really?
I'm pretty sure its healthier to eat home prepared meals each day than mass produced microwavable ready meals!
I'm pretty sure If you did eat mass produced ready meals each day, your levels of inflammation and oxidation would be higher than if you ate home prepared food.
My reasoning behind this is you would definitely be eating increased amounts of Man made transfats, Interesterified Fats and polyunsaturated fats.
polyunsaturated fats are good for you.
Are they? it's a fat that goes rancid easily and is not stable at high temperatures! I think in the eighties it was lorded as a safe replacement to saturated fat.
That's back in the day when science and nutritional understanding was still pretty primitive. Science has now caught up (well catching) and guess what, that's right, turns out it was saturated fat that's was good for us and not the other way round..... who would have guessed!
In fact polyunsaturated is good to a degree - well only omega 3!
That's your premise for healthy or not? something that goes rancid easily and is not stable at higher temperatures?
Well in that case- I'm going to stop eating oranges and chicken.
1.) my orange I only consumed 2 slices of started molding within 2 days of cutting.
and
2.) my chicken breast exploded out of the microwave when I heated it up.
looks like my list of dietary restrictions just got more specific.
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tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
Really?
I'm pretty sure its healthier to eat home prepared meals each day than mass produced microwavable ready meals!
I'm pretty sure If you did eat mass produced ready meals each day, your levels of inflammation and oxidation would be higher than if you ate home prepared food.
My reasoning behind this is you would definitely be eating increased amounts of Man made transfats, Interesterified Fats and polyunsaturated fats.
Because everyone who eats mass produced ready meals, eats them all day every day.
no one could possibly eat these in moderation.
A lot of people eat on a budget and whats the cheapest food - commercially mass produced multi-ingredient food.
And because of how the law works, companies are allowed to include 0.5g per 100g of trans fats and still label their products trans fat free!
Now I'd have to double check but I think the WHO recommend consuming not more than about 2 - 3 grams a day of trans fats - not sure about you but I'm pretty sure there are plenty of people eating more than that daily and not realizing it.
I doubt they will drop dead in the street tomorrow, but they may drop dead a few years sooner than they may of.
But at the end of the day no-ones asking you to eat a certain way - your an adult and have the ability to make that choice yourself!
Would the problem here be that they don't eat clean or that they're consuming too many trans fats? As others have pointed out, there's a whole world of food types between "clean" and those laden with undisclosed trans fats. It's possible to cook at home and not eat clean. It's possible to avoid all trans fats (even the undisclosed ones) and still not eat clean. You seem to be shifting the goal posts on this conversation just a bit.
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tennisdude2004 wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
Really?
I'm pretty sure its healthier to eat home prepared meals each day than mass produced microwavable ready meals!
I'm pretty sure If you did eat mass produced ready meals each day, your levels of inflammation and oxidation would be higher than if you ate home prepared food.
My reasoning behind this is you would definitely be eating increased amounts of Man made transfats, Interesterified Fats and polyunsaturated fats.
polyunsaturated fats are good for you.
Are they? it's a fat that goes rancid easily and is not stable at high temperatures! I think in the eighties it was lorded as a safe replacement to saturated fat.
That's back in the day when science and nutritional understanding was still pretty primitive. Science has now caught up (well catching) and guess what, that's right, turns out it was saturated fat that's was good for us and not the other way round..... who would have guessed!
In fact polyunsaturated is good to a degree - well only omega 3!
That's your premise for healthy or not? something that goes rancid easily and is not stable at higher temperatures?
Well in that case- I'm going to stop eating oranges and chicken.
1.) my orange I only consumed 2 slices of started molding within 2 days of cutting.
and
2.) my chicken breast exploded out of the microwave when I heated it up.
looks like my list of dietary restrictions just got more specific.
Did you eat your orange when it was moldy? - or did you chuck the moldy bit away!!
I'll be honest I've already dropped moldy orange from my diet!
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tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
Really?
I'm pretty sure its healthier to eat home prepared meals each day than mass produced microwavable ready meals!
I'm pretty sure If you did eat mass produced ready meals each day, your levels of inflammation and oxidation would be higher than if you ate home prepared food.
My reasoning behind this is you would definitely be eating increased amounts of Man made transfats, Interesterified Fats and polyunsaturated fats.
Holy cow! So apparently I can chop up the potatoes I grew myself, throw them in a big vat of lard which I rendered myself, and cook up a mess of healthy french fries and it's so much better for me than the Kashi frozen meal that I passed up at the grocery store because it's "unclean."
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herrspoons wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
Really?
I'm pretty sure its healthier to eat home prepared meals each day than mass produced microwavable ready meals!
I'm pretty sure If you did eat mass produced ready meals each day, your levels of inflammation and oxidation would be higher than if you ate home prepared food.
My reasoning behind this is you would definitely be eating increased amounts of Man made transfats, Interesterified Fats and polyunsaturated fats.
So prove it. 'Pretty sure' doesn't cut it.
Also note the phrase 'in moderation'. I wouldn't recommend living on ready meals exclusively, but one or so a day isn't going to harm you.
No, but how untypical a day would it be to say have:
MacDonalds breakfast
Cereal bar
Microwavable lunch of description
Bag of crisps
For dinner Chicken and a pre-made jar of sauce. Maybe some coated (seasoned) frozen potatoes.
I think that's not an untypical kind of day for a lot of people - Most of those things are mass produced.
Although I sure the companies producing them use only the finest ingredients and to hell with the profit margins!
Can you honestly say you do not 'personally' know anyone that barely eats a bit of fruit or veg! I know loads.
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tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
Really?
I'm pretty sure its healthier to eat home prepared meals each day than mass produced microwavable ready meals!
I'm pretty sure If you did eat mass produced ready meals each day, your levels of inflammation and oxidation would be higher than if you ate home prepared food.
My reasoning behind this is you would definitely be eating increased amounts of Man made transfats, Interesterified Fats and polyunsaturated fats.
So prove it. 'Pretty sure' doesn't cut it.
Also note the phrase 'in moderation'. I wouldn't recommend living on ready meals exclusively, but one or so a day isn't going to harm you.
No, but how untypical a day would it be to say have:
MacDonalds breakfast
Cereal bar
Microwavable lunch of description
Bag of crisps
For dinner Chicken and a pre-made jar of sauce. Maybe some coated (seasoned) frozen potatoes.
I think that's not an untypical kind of day for a lot of people - Most of those things are mass produced.
Although I sure the companies producing them use only the finest ingredients and to hell with the profit margins!
Can you honestly say you do not 'personally' know anyone that barely eats a bit of fruit or veg! I know loads.
So would you call that a problem?
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tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
Really?
I'm pretty sure its healthier to eat home prepared meals each day than mass produced microwavable ready meals!
I'm pretty sure If you did eat mass produced ready meals each day, your levels of inflammation and oxidation would be higher than if you ate home prepared food.
My reasoning behind this is you would definitely be eating increased amounts of Man made transfats, Interesterified Fats and polyunsaturated fats.
So prove it. 'Pretty sure' doesn't cut it.
Also note the phrase 'in moderation'. I wouldn't recommend living on ready meals exclusively, but one or so a day isn't going to harm you.
No, but how untypical a day would it be to say have:
MacDonalds breakfast
Cereal bar
Microwavable lunch of description
Bag of crisps
For dinner Chicken and a pre-made jar of sauce. Maybe some coated (seasoned) frozen potatoes.
I think that's not an untypical kind of day for a lot of people - Most of those things are mass produced.
Although I sure the companies producing them use only the finest ingredients and to hell with the profit margins!
Can you honestly say you do not 'personally' know anyone that barely eats a bit of fruit or veg! I know loads.
This was the original statement in the quote string that started all of this:Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
You've gone from a discussion of clean eating vs. a wide diet with all foods in moderation to a discussion comparing clean eating vs. only packaged/fast food and almost no veggies. You're shifting the goal posts wildly.
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diannethegeek wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
Really?
I'm pretty sure its healthier to eat home prepared meals each day than mass produced microwavable ready meals!
I'm pretty sure If you did eat mass produced ready meals each day, your levels of inflammation and oxidation would be higher than if you ate home prepared food.
My reasoning behind this is you would definitely be eating increased amounts of Man made transfats, Interesterified Fats and polyunsaturated fats.
So prove it. 'Pretty sure' doesn't cut it.
Also note the phrase 'in moderation'. I wouldn't recommend living on ready meals exclusively, but one or so a day isn't going to harm you.
No, but how untypical a day would it be to say have:
MacDonalds breakfast
Cereal bar
Microwavable lunch of description
Bag of crisps
For dinner Chicken and a pre-made jar of sauce. Maybe some coated (seasoned) frozen potatoes.
I think that's not an untypical kind of day for a lot of people - Most of those things are mass produced.
Although I sure the companies producing them use only the finest ingredients and to hell with the profit margins!
Can you honestly say you do not 'personally' know anyone that barely eats a bit of fruit or veg! I know loads.
This was the original statement in the quote string that started all of this:Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
You've gone from a discussion of clean eating vs. a wide diet with all foods in moderation to a discussion comparing clean eating vs. only packaged/fast food and almost no veggies. You're shifting the goal posts wildly.
Straw man argument.
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diannethegeek wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
Really?
I'm pretty sure its healthier to eat home prepared meals each day than mass produced microwavable ready meals!
I'm pretty sure If you did eat mass produced ready meals each day, your levels of inflammation and oxidation would be higher than if you ate home prepared food.
My reasoning behind this is you would definitely be eating increased amounts of Man made transfats, Interesterified Fats and polyunsaturated fats.
So prove it. 'Pretty sure' doesn't cut it.
Also note the phrase 'in moderation'. I wouldn't recommend living on ready meals exclusively, but one or so a day isn't going to harm you.
No, but how untypical a day would it be to say have:
MacDonalds breakfast
Cereal bar
Microwavable lunch of description
Bag of crisps
For dinner Chicken and a pre-made jar of sauce. Maybe some coated (seasoned) frozen potatoes.
I think that's not an untypical kind of day for a lot of people - Most of those things are mass produced.
Although I sure the companies producing them use only the finest ingredients and to hell with the profit margins!
Can you honestly say you do not 'personally' know anyone that barely eats a bit of fruit or veg! I know loads.
This was the original statement in the quote string that started all of this:Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
You've gone from a discussion of clean eating vs. a wide diet with all foods in moderation to a discussion comparing clean eating vs. only packaged/fast food and almost no veggies. You're shifting the goal posts wildly.
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yopeeps025 wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
Really?
I'm pretty sure its healthier to eat home prepared meals each day than mass produced microwavable ready meals!
I'm pretty sure If you did eat mass produced ready meals each day, your levels of inflammation and oxidation would be higher than if you ate home prepared food.
My reasoning behind this is you would definitely be eating increased amounts of Man made transfats, Interesterified Fats and polyunsaturated fats.
So prove it. 'Pretty sure' doesn't cut it.
Also note the phrase 'in moderation'. I wouldn't recommend living on ready meals exclusively, but one or so a day isn't going to harm you.
No, but how untypical a day would it be to say have:
MacDonalds breakfast
Cereal bar
Microwavable lunch of description
Bag of crisps
For dinner Chicken and a pre-made jar of sauce. Maybe some coated (seasoned) frozen potatoes.
I think that's not an untypical kind of day for a lot of people - Most of those things are mass produced.
Although I sure the companies producing them use only the finest ingredients and to hell with the profit margins!
Can you honestly say you do not 'personally' know anyone that barely eats a bit of fruit or veg! I know loads.
This was the original statement in the quote string that started all of this:Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
You've gone from a discussion of clean eating vs. a wide diet with all foods in moderation to a discussion comparing clean eating vs. only packaged/fast food and almost no veggies. You're shifting the goal posts wildly.
Straw man argument.
In what way have I created a straw man?
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My baddiannethegeek wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
Really?
I'm pretty sure its healthier to eat home prepared meals each day than mass produced microwavable ready meals!
I'm pretty sure If you did eat mass produced ready meals each day, your levels of inflammation and oxidation would be higher than if you ate home prepared food.
My reasoning behind this is you would definitely be eating increased amounts of Man made transfats, Interesterified Fats and polyunsaturated fats.
So prove it. 'Pretty sure' doesn't cut it.
Also note the phrase 'in moderation'. I wouldn't recommend living on ready meals exclusively, but one or so a day isn't going to harm you.
No, but how untypical a day would it be to say have:
MacDonalds breakfast
Cereal bar
Microwavable lunch of description
Bag of crisps
For dinner Chicken and a pre-made jar of sauce. Maybe some coated (seasoned) frozen potatoes.
I think that's not an untypical kind of day for a lot of people - Most of those things are mass produced.
Although I sure the companies producing them use only the finest ingredients and to hell with the profit margins!
Can you honestly say you do not 'personally' know anyone that barely eats a bit of fruit or veg! I know loads.
This was the original statement in the quote string that started all of this:Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
You've gone from a discussion of clean eating vs. a wide diet with all foods in moderation to a discussion comparing clean eating vs. only packaged/fast food and almost no veggies. You're shifting the goal posts wildly.
Straw man argument.
In what way have I created a straw man?
This guy @tennisdude2004 did.0 -
Your premise was food that goes rancid quickly is unhealthy. Well- guess what my orange went rancid quickly- which by your argument means it's unhealthy.tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
Really?
I'm pretty sure its healthier to eat home prepared meals each day than mass produced microwavable ready meals!
I'm pretty sure If you did eat mass produced ready meals each day, your levels of inflammation and oxidation would be higher than if you ate home prepared food.
My reasoning behind this is you would definitely be eating increased amounts of Man made transfats, Interesterified Fats and polyunsaturated fats.
polyunsaturated fats are good for you.
Are they? it's a fat that goes rancid easily and is not stable at high temperatures! I think in the eighties it was lorded as a safe replacement to saturated fat.
That's back in the day when science and nutritional understanding was still pretty primitive. Science has now caught up (well catching) and guess what, that's right, turns out it was saturated fat that's was good for us and not the other way round..... who would have guessed!
In fact polyunsaturated is good to a degree - well only omega 3!
That's your premise for healthy or not? something that goes rancid easily and is not stable at higher temperatures?
Well in that case- I'm going to stop eating oranges and chicken.
1.) my orange I only consumed 2 slices of started molding within 2 days of cutting.
and
2.) my chicken breast exploded out of the microwave when I heated it up.
looks like my list of dietary restrictions just got more specific.
Did you eat your orange when it was moldy? - or did you chuck the moldy bit away!!
I'll be honest I've already dropped moldy orange from my diet!
Secondly- to your other argument- my BF barely eats anything green- and mostly eats "homemade food" primarily because all he its is bread- hummus eggs and steak- or chicken tenders.
but he doesn't buy pre-made food- some how that makes him superior b/c it's home made?
you can eat like crap and have a bad macro split- and/or also not be at a deficit- clean does not mean you can meet your goals- clean means people don't ultimately understand how to achieve their goals- because it's quiet evident that you can eat "clean" and still grossly miss the mark in terms of overall health and wellness.0 -
diannethegeek wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
Really?
I'm pretty sure its healthier to eat home prepared meals each day than mass produced microwavable ready meals!
I'm pretty sure If you did eat mass produced ready meals each day, your levels of inflammation and oxidation would be higher than if you ate home prepared food.
My reasoning behind this is you would definitely be eating increased amounts of Man made transfats, Interesterified Fats and polyunsaturated fats.
So prove it. 'Pretty sure' doesn't cut it.
Also note the phrase 'in moderation'. I wouldn't recommend living on ready meals exclusively, but one or so a day isn't going to harm you.
No, but how untypical a day would it be to say have:
MacDonalds breakfast
Cereal bar
Microwavable lunch of description
Bag of crisps
For dinner Chicken and a pre-made jar of sauce. Maybe some coated (seasoned) frozen potatoes.
I think that's not an untypical kind of day for a lot of people - Most of those things are mass produced.
Although I sure the companies producing them use only the finest ingredients and to hell with the profit margins!
Can you honestly say you do not 'personally' know anyone that barely eats a bit of fruit or veg! I know loads.
This was the original statement in the quote string that started all of this:Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
You've gone from a discussion of clean eating vs. a wide diet with all foods in moderation to a discussion comparing clean eating vs. only packaged/fast food and almost no veggies. You're shifting the goal posts wildly.
Straw man argument.
In what way have I created a straw man?
I don't believe that is aimed at you
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yopeeps025 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
Really?
I'm pretty sure its healthier to eat home prepared meals each day than mass produced microwavable ready meals!
I'm pretty sure If you did eat mass produced ready meals each day, your levels of inflammation and oxidation would be higher than if you ate home prepared food.
My reasoning behind this is you would definitely be eating increased amounts of Man made transfats, Interesterified Fats and polyunsaturated fats.
So prove it. 'Pretty sure' doesn't cut it.
Also note the phrase 'in moderation'. I wouldn't recommend living on ready meals exclusively, but one or so a day isn't going to harm you.
No, but how untypical a day would it be to say have:
MacDonalds breakfast
Cereal bar
Microwavable lunch of description
Bag of crisps
For dinner Chicken and a pre-made jar of sauce. Maybe some coated (seasoned) frozen potatoes.
I think that's not an untypical kind of day for a lot of people - Most of those things are mass produced.
Although I sure the companies producing them use only the finest ingredients and to hell with the profit margins!
Can you honestly say you do not 'personally' know anyone that barely eats a bit of fruit or veg! I know loads.
So would you call that a problem?
Personally yes, i think that fact that fresh produce is not consumed by more people is a problem - granted it's their problem not mine.
I was just pointing out that a lot of people will eat cheaper alternatives for their food and that those cheaper alternatives are mass produced and contain fats which are not healthy.
It's just my observation. If you've observed something different the great!
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yopeeps025 wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
Really?
I'm pretty sure its healthier to eat home prepared meals each day than mass produced microwavable ready meals!
I'm pretty sure If you did eat mass produced ready meals each day, your levels of inflammation and oxidation would be higher than if you ate home prepared food.
My reasoning behind this is you would definitely be eating increased amounts of Man made transfats, Interesterified Fats and polyunsaturated fats.
So prove it. 'Pretty sure' doesn't cut it.
Also note the phrase 'in moderation'. I wouldn't recommend living on ready meals exclusively, but one or so a day isn't going to harm you.
No, but how untypical a day would it be to say have:
MacDonalds breakfast
Cereal bar
Microwavable lunch of description
Bag of crisps
For dinner Chicken and a pre-made jar of sauce. Maybe some coated (seasoned) frozen potatoes.
I think that's not an untypical kind of day for a lot of people - Most of those things are mass produced.
Although I sure the companies producing them use only the finest ingredients and to hell with the profit margins!
Can you honestly say you do not 'personally' know anyone that barely eats a bit of fruit or veg! I know loads.
This was the original statement in the quote string that started all of this:Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
You've gone from a discussion of clean eating vs. a wide diet with all foods in moderation to a discussion comparing clean eating vs. only packaged/fast food and almost no veggies. You're shifting the goal posts wildly.
Straw man argument.
How is my post straw man? I was answering the post about eating a wide diet in moderation was unhealtier than eating a 'clean diet'.
If a lot of the items on your wider diet (like SAD) are mass produced (multi-ingredient) and you eat each of them in moderation, a majority of your food is still mass produced!
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diannethegeek wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
Really?
I'm pretty sure its healthier to eat home prepared meals each day than mass produced microwavable ready meals!
I'm pretty sure If you did eat mass produced ready meals each day, your levels of inflammation and oxidation would be higher than if you ate home prepared food.
My reasoning behind this is you would definitely be eating increased amounts of Man made transfats, Interesterified Fats and polyunsaturated fats.
So prove it. 'Pretty sure' doesn't cut it.
Also note the phrase 'in moderation'. I wouldn't recommend living on ready meals exclusively, but one or so a day isn't going to harm you.
No, but how untypical a day would it be to say have:
MacDonalds breakfast
Cereal bar
Microwavable lunch of description
Bag of crisps
For dinner Chicken and a pre-made jar of sauce. Maybe some coated (seasoned) frozen potatoes.
I think that's not an untypical kind of day for a lot of people - Most of those things are mass produced.
Although I sure the companies producing them use only the finest ingredients and to hell with the profit margins!
Can you honestly say you do not 'personally' know anyone that barely eats a bit of fruit or veg! I know loads.
This was the original statement in the quote string that started all of this:Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
You've gone from a discussion of clean eating vs. a wide diet with all foods in moderation to a discussion comparing clean eating vs. only packaged/fast food and almost no veggies. You're shifting the goal posts wildly.
It's his MO
Cool I have an MO!! Cheers!
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tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
Really?
I'm pretty sure its healthier to eat home prepared meals each day than mass produced microwavable ready meals!
I'm pretty sure If you did eat mass produced ready meals each day, your levels of inflammation and oxidation would be higher than if you ate home prepared food.
My reasoning behind this is you would definitely be eating increased amounts of Man made transfats, Interesterified Fats and polyunsaturated fats.
So prove it. 'Pretty sure' doesn't cut it.
Also note the phrase 'in moderation'. I wouldn't recommend living on ready meals exclusively, but one or so a day isn't going to harm you.
No, but how untypical a day would it be to say have:
MacDonalds breakfast
Cereal bar
Microwavable lunch of description
Bag of crisps
For dinner Chicken and a pre-made jar of sauce. Maybe some coated (seasoned) frozen potatoes.
Extremely untypical for numerous people who aren't "clean eaters."Can you honestly say you do not 'personally' know anyone that barely eats a bit of fruit or veg! I know loads.
The majority of people I know don't go on about "eating clean" or define themselves that way. And yet the majority of people I know eat fruits and veggies. (My general circle may not be typical, who knows.)
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tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
Really?
I'm pretty sure its healthier to eat home prepared meals each day than mass produced microwavable ready meals!
I'm pretty sure If you did eat mass produced ready meals each day, your levels of inflammation and oxidation would be higher than if you ate home prepared food.
My reasoning behind this is you would definitely be eating increased amounts of Man made transfats, Interesterified Fats and polyunsaturated fats.
Thats a very big assumption.
Also, what is bad about interesterified or polyunsaturated fats?
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tennisdude2004 wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
Really?
I'm pretty sure its healthier to eat home prepared meals each day than mass produced microwavable ready meals!
I'm pretty sure If you did eat mass produced ready meals each day, your levels of inflammation and oxidation would be higher than if you ate home prepared food.
My reasoning behind this is you would definitely be eating increased amounts of Man made transfats, Interesterified Fats and polyunsaturated fats.
So prove it. 'Pretty sure' doesn't cut it.
Also note the phrase 'in moderation'. I wouldn't recommend living on ready meals exclusively, but one or so a day isn't going to harm you.
No, but how untypical a day would it be to say have:
MacDonalds breakfast
Cereal bar
Microwavable lunch of description
Bag of crisps
For dinner Chicken and a pre-made jar of sauce. Maybe some coated (seasoned) frozen potatoes.
I think that's not an untypical kind of day for a lot of people - Most of those things are mass produced.
Although I sure the companies producing them use only the finest ingredients and to hell with the profit margins!
Can you honestly say you do not 'personally' know anyone that barely eats a bit of fruit or veg! I know loads.
This was the original statement in the quote string that started all of this:Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
You've gone from a discussion of clean eating vs. a wide diet with all foods in moderation to a discussion comparing clean eating vs. only packaged/fast food and almost no veggies. You're shifting the goal posts wildly.
Straw man argument.
How is my post straw man? I was answering the post about eating a wide diet in moderation was unhealtier than eating a 'clean diet'.
If a lot of the items on your wider diet (like SAD) are mass produced (multi-ingredient) and you eat each of them in moderation, a majority of your food is still mass produced!
And again, I can go out to the garden and pick some things that I can cook in freshly rendered lard and make a meal with far less nutrition than a Kashi frozen dinner. So what?
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SonicDeathMonkey80 wrote: »
Wrong. Cavemen went to Sam's Club. Duh.
Wrong, cavemen 'used' Sam's club; drug the food in to a cave and ate it. Hurr Durr
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lemurcat12 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
Really?
I'm pretty sure its healthier to eat home prepared meals each day than mass produced microwavable ready meals!
I'm pretty sure If you did eat mass produced ready meals each day, your levels of inflammation and oxidation would be higher than if you ate home prepared food.
My reasoning behind this is you would definitely be eating increased amounts of Man made transfats, Interesterified Fats and polyunsaturated fats.
So prove it. 'Pretty sure' doesn't cut it.
Also note the phrase 'in moderation'. I wouldn't recommend living on ready meals exclusively, but one or so a day isn't going to harm you.
No, but how untypical a day would it be to say have:
MacDonalds breakfast
Cereal bar
Microwavable lunch of description
Bag of crisps
For dinner Chicken and a pre-made jar of sauce. Maybe some coated (seasoned) frozen potatoes.
Extremely untypical for numerous people who aren't "clean eaters."Can you honestly say you do not 'personally' know anyone that barely eats a bit of fruit or veg! I know loads.
The majority of people I know don't go on about "eating clean" or define themselves that way. And yet the majority of people I know eat fruits and veggies. (My general circle may not be typical, who knows.)
Outside of MFP I don't think I've ever heard one person mention clean eating! I don't consider myself a clean eater, but I love the fact that there are people passionate about it.
So everyone yon know eats plenty of fruit and veg - good for you and all the people you know.
I've clearly met different people.
Ca you define (in percentage terms) 'numerous people?0 -
tennisdude2004 wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
Really?
I'm pretty sure its healthier to eat home prepared meals each day than mass produced microwavable ready meals!
I'm pretty sure If you did eat mass produced ready meals each day, your levels of inflammation and oxidation would be higher than if you ate home prepared food.
My reasoning behind this is you would definitely be eating increased amounts of Man made transfats, Interesterified Fats and polyunsaturated fats.
So prove it. 'Pretty sure' doesn't cut it.
Also note the phrase 'in moderation'. I wouldn't recommend living on ready meals exclusively, but one or so a day isn't going to harm you.
No, but how untypical a day would it be to say have:
MacDonalds breakfast
Cereal bar
Microwavable lunch of description
Bag of crisps
For dinner Chicken and a pre-made jar of sauce. Maybe some coated (seasoned) frozen potatoes.
I think that's not an untypical kind of day for a lot of people - Most of those things are mass produced.
Although I sure the companies producing them use only the finest ingredients and to hell with the profit margins!
Can you honestly say you do not 'personally' know anyone that barely eats a bit of fruit or veg! I know loads.
This was the original statement in the quote string that started all of this:Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
You've gone from a discussion of clean eating vs. a wide diet with all foods in moderation to a discussion comparing clean eating vs. only packaged/fast food and almost no veggies. You're shifting the goal posts wildly.
Straw man argument.
How is my post straw man? I was answering the post about eating a wide diet in moderation was unhealtier than eating a 'clean diet'.
If a lot of the items on your wider diet (like SAD) are mass produced (multi-ingredient) and you eat each of them in moderation, a majority of your food is still mass produced!
why did you put mass produced next to multi-ingredient?????
mass produced and one ingredient
the incredible edible egg
http://www.uspoultry.org/economic_data/0 -
tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
Really?
I'm pretty sure its healthier to eat home prepared meals each day than mass produced microwavable ready meals!
I'm pretty sure If you did eat mass produced ready meals each day, your levels of inflammation and oxidation would be higher than if you ate home prepared food.
My reasoning behind this is you would definitely be eating increased amounts of Man made transfats, Interesterified Fats and polyunsaturated fats.
Thats a very big assumption.
Also, what is bad about interesterified or polyunsaturated fats?
I've commented on that above!!!
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tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
Really?
I'm pretty sure its healthier to eat home prepared meals each day than mass produced microwavable ready meals!
I'm pretty sure If you did eat mass produced ready meals each day, your levels of inflammation and oxidation would be higher than if you ate home prepared food.
My reasoning behind this is you would definitely be eating increased amounts of Man made transfats, Interesterified Fats and polyunsaturated fats.
So prove it. 'Pretty sure' doesn't cut it.
Also note the phrase 'in moderation'. I wouldn't recommend living on ready meals exclusively, but one or so a day isn't going to harm you.
No, but how untypical a day would it be to say have:
MacDonalds breakfast
Cereal bar
Microwavable lunch of description
Bag of crisps
For dinner Chicken and a pre-made jar of sauce. Maybe some coated (seasoned) frozen potatoes.
I think that's not an untypical kind of day for a lot of people - Most of those things are mass produced.
Although I sure the companies producing them use only the finest ingredients and to hell with the profit margins!
Can you honestly say you do not 'personally' know anyone that barely eats a bit of fruit or veg! I know loads.
Funny thing is that it's I highly doubt any "dirty eater" (myself included) eats like this. It's a BS false dichotomy - you either label yourself a clean eater (whatever that is) or you eat 100% processed food, every day, for your entire life.
Now a clean eater (whatever that means), eats the evil processed foods but rationalizes it every step of the way. Talk about swallowing a camel but choking on a gnat!0 -
I have some lovely frozen veggies which contain nothing but frozen veggies and have multiple ingredients. They're even organic. Too bad they're not clean.0
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tennisdude2004 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
Really?
I'm pretty sure its healthier to eat home prepared meals each day than mass produced microwavable ready meals!
I'm pretty sure If you did eat mass produced ready meals each day, your levels of inflammation and oxidation would be higher than if you ate home prepared food.
My reasoning behind this is you would definitely be eating increased amounts of Man made transfats, Interesterified Fats and polyunsaturated fats.
So prove it. 'Pretty sure' doesn't cut it.
Also note the phrase 'in moderation'. I wouldn't recommend living on ready meals exclusively, but one or so a day isn't going to harm you.
No, but how untypical a day would it be to say have:
MacDonalds breakfast
Cereal bar
Microwavable lunch of description
Bag of crisps
For dinner Chicken and a pre-made jar of sauce. Maybe some coated (seasoned) frozen potatoes.
Extremely untypical for numerous people who aren't "clean eaters."Can you honestly say you do not 'personally' know anyone that barely eats a bit of fruit or veg! I know loads.
The majority of people I know don't go on about "eating clean" or define themselves that way. And yet the majority of people I know eat fruits and veggies. (My general circle may not be typical, who knows.)
Outside of MFP I don't think I've ever heard one person mention clean eating! I don't consider myself a clean eater, but I love the fact that there are people passionate about it.
So everyone yon know eats plenty of fruit and veg - good for you and all the people you know.
I've clearly met different people.
Ca you define (in percentage terms) 'numerous people?
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SnuggleSmacks wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
Really?
I'm pretty sure its healthier to eat home prepared meals each day than mass produced microwavable ready meals!
I'm pretty sure If you did eat mass produced ready meals each day, your levels of inflammation and oxidation would be higher than if you ate home prepared food.
My reasoning behind this is you would definitely be eating increased amounts of Man made transfats, Interesterified Fats and polyunsaturated fats.
So prove it. 'Pretty sure' doesn't cut it.
Also note the phrase 'in moderation'. I wouldn't recommend living on ready meals exclusively, but one or so a day isn't going to harm you.
No, but how untypical a day would it be to say have:
MacDonalds breakfast
Cereal bar
Microwavable lunch of description
Bag of crisps
For dinner Chicken and a pre-made jar of sauce. Maybe some coated (seasoned) frozen potatoes.
I think that's not an untypical kind of day for a lot of people - Most of those things are mass produced.
Although I sure the companies producing them use only the finest ingredients and to hell with the profit margins!
Can you honestly say you do not 'personally' know anyone that barely eats a bit of fruit or veg! I know loads.
This was the original statement in the quote string that started all of this:Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
You've gone from a discussion of clean eating vs. a wide diet with all foods in moderation to a discussion comparing clean eating vs. only packaged/fast food and almost no veggies. You're shifting the goal posts wildly.
Straw man argument.
How is my post straw man? I was answering the post about eating a wide diet in moderation was unhealtier than eating a 'clean diet'.
If a lot of the items on your wider diet (like SAD) are mass produced (multi-ingredient) and you eat each of them in moderation, a majority of your food is still mass produced!
And again, I can go out to the garden and pick some things that I can cook in freshly rendered lard and make a meal with far less nutrition than a Kashi frozen dinner. So what?
I would recommend cooking in freshly rendered lard its very good for you - packed full of saturated fat!
I suppose those if you cooked your Kashi dinner yourself from fresh ingredients and in saturated fats instead of polyunsaturated or trans fats, your home prepared meal would top the health scale.
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SonicDeathMonkey80 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
Really?
I'm pretty sure its healthier to eat home prepared meals each day than mass produced microwavable ready meals!
I'm pretty sure If you did eat mass produced ready meals each day, your levels of inflammation and oxidation would be higher than if you ate home prepared food.
My reasoning behind this is you would definitely be eating increased amounts of Man made transfats, Interesterified Fats and polyunsaturated fats.
So prove it. 'Pretty sure' doesn't cut it.
Also note the phrase 'in moderation'. I wouldn't recommend living on ready meals exclusively, but one or so a day isn't going to harm you.
No, but how untypical a day would it be to say have:
MacDonalds breakfast
Cereal bar
Microwavable lunch of description
Bag of crisps
For dinner Chicken and a pre-made jar of sauce. Maybe some coated (seasoned) frozen potatoes.
I think that's not an untypical kind of day for a lot of people - Most of those things are mass produced.
Although I sure the companies producing them use only the finest ingredients and to hell with the profit margins!
Can you honestly say you do not 'personally' know anyone that barely eats a bit of fruit or veg! I know loads.
Funny thing is that it's I highly doubt any "dirty eater" (myself included) eats like this. It's a BS false dichotomy - you either label yourself a clean eater (whatever that is) or you eat 100% processed food, every day, for your entire life.
Now a clean eater (whatever that means), eats the evil processed foods but rationalizes it every step of the way. Talk about swallowing a camel but choking on a gnat!
There are a lot of people eating on a budget that eat a whole lot worse than that. If you do not move in those circles then good for you!
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tennisdude2004 wrote: »SonicDeathMonkey80 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
Really?
I'm pretty sure its healthier to eat home prepared meals each day than mass produced microwavable ready meals!
I'm pretty sure If you did eat mass produced ready meals each day, your levels of inflammation and oxidation would be higher than if you ate home prepared food.
My reasoning behind this is you would definitely be eating increased amounts of Man made transfats, Interesterified Fats and polyunsaturated fats.
So prove it. 'Pretty sure' doesn't cut it.
Also note the phrase 'in moderation'. I wouldn't recommend living on ready meals exclusively, but one or so a day isn't going to harm you.
No, but how untypical a day would it be to say have:
MacDonalds breakfast
Cereal bar
Microwavable lunch of description
Bag of crisps
For dinner Chicken and a pre-made jar of sauce. Maybe some coated (seasoned) frozen potatoes.
I think that's not an untypical kind of day for a lot of people - Most of those things are mass produced.
Although I sure the companies producing them use only the finest ingredients and to hell with the profit margins!
Can you honestly say you do not 'personally' know anyone that barely eats a bit of fruit or veg! I know loads.
Funny thing is that it's I highly doubt any "dirty eater" (myself included) eats like this. It's a BS false dichotomy - you either label yourself a clean eater (whatever that is) or you eat 100% processed food, every day, for your entire life.
Now a clean eater (whatever that means), eats the evil processed foods but rationalizes it every step of the way. Talk about swallowing a camel but choking on a gnat!
There are a lot of people eating on a budget that eat a whole lot worse than that. If you do not move in those circles then good for you!
Ok, and there are a lot that don't. What's your point?
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tennisdude2004 wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
Really?
I'm pretty sure its healthier to eat home prepared meals each day than mass produced microwavable ready meals!
I'm pretty sure If you did eat mass produced ready meals each day, your levels of inflammation and oxidation would be higher than if you ate home prepared food.
My reasoning behind this is you would definitely be eating increased amounts of Man made transfats, Interesterified Fats and polyunsaturated fats.
So prove it. 'Pretty sure' doesn't cut it.
Also note the phrase 'in moderation'. I wouldn't recommend living on ready meals exclusively, but one or so a day isn't going to harm you.
No, but how untypical a day would it be to say have:
MacDonalds breakfast
Cereal bar
Microwavable lunch of description
Bag of crisps
For dinner Chicken and a pre-made jar of sauce. Maybe some coated (seasoned) frozen potatoes.
I think that's not an untypical kind of day for a lot of people - Most of those things are mass produced.
Although I sure the companies producing them use only the finest ingredients and to hell with the profit margins!
Can you honestly say you do not 'personally' know anyone that barely eats a bit of fruit or veg! I know loads.
This was the original statement in the quote string that started all of this:Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
You've gone from a discussion of clean eating vs. a wide diet with all foods in moderation to a discussion comparing clean eating vs. only packaged/fast food and almost no veggies. You're shifting the goal posts wildly.
Straw man argument.
How is my post straw man? I was answering the post about eating a wide diet in moderation was unhealtier than eating a 'clean diet'.
If a lot of the items on your wider diet (like SAD) are mass produced (multi-ingredient) and you eat each of them in moderation, a majority of your food is still mass produced!
why did you put mass produced next to multi-ingredient?????
mass produced and one ingredient
the incredible edible egg
http://www.uspoultry.org/economic_data/
I put multi ingredient next to mass produced so people didn't say stuff like - Yeah but what about eggs and apples - their healthy and mass produced.
Although I doubt anyone would be that obvious.
Maybe I've been around these forums too long. Although it is good to tussle with the trolls, from time to time! lol
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