Paleo vs Eatting clean?
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EatsNotTreats wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »EatsNotTreats wrote: »soldiergrl_101 wrote: »I was just reading up on the Paleo diet haven't committed to anything yet still weighing my options. But reading it, it seems similar to eating clean, is it just a fancy name for the same thing? Has anyone had success using this diet
Paleo/Primal, yeah, these could be fancy names for clean eating, but they don't imply others are "dirty".
I've had unbelievable success with Primal diet and exercise. Weight loss and maintenenace, improvement/resolution of chronic diseases, complete resolution of GI issues, ridiculous improvement in immune response (I haven't got sick in the years that I've been on it, and I used to get about 7 colds a year), way better energy, no afternoon or long drive brain fog/drowsiness.
And it has been super easy to maintain. Like I said, I've been on it for years without feeling cravings or a need to "cheat". Bc the food options are delicious.
Glad you conquer your medical issues.
Thanks. And I forgot. Great lipid profile improvement.
Unfortunately you are the minority the has to eat a certain way. For the rest it does not really matter.
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EatsNotTreats wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »EatsNotTreats wrote: »soldiergrl_101 wrote: »I was just reading up on the Paleo diet haven't committed to anything yet still weighing my options. But reading it, it seems similar to eating clean, is it just a fancy name for the same thing? Has anyone had success using this diet
Paleo/Primal, yeah, these could be fancy names for clean eating, but they don't imply others are "dirty".
I've had unbelievable success with Primal diet and exercise. Weight loss and maintenenace, improvement/resolution of chronic diseases, complete resolution of GI issues, ridiculous improvement in immune response (I haven't got sick in the years that I've been on it, and I used to get about 7 colds a year), way better energy, no afternoon or long drive brain fog/drowsiness.
And it has been super easy to maintain. Like I said, I've been on it for years without feeling cravings or a need to "cheat". Bc the food options are delicious.
Glad you conquer your medical issues.
Thanks. And I forgot. Great lipid profile improvement.
Reduction in weight and body fat results in lipid profile improvement.0 -
tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
Really?
I'm pretty sure its healthier to eat home prepared meals each day than mass produced microwavable ready meals!
I'm pretty sure If you did eat mass produced ready meals each day, your levels of inflammation and oxidation would be higher than if you ate home prepared food.
My reasoning behind this is you would definitely be eating increased amounts of Man made transfats, Interesterified Fats and polyunsaturated fats.
So prove it. 'Pretty sure' doesn't cut it.
Also note the phrase 'in moderation'. I wouldn't recommend living on ready meals exclusively, but one or so a day isn't going to harm you.
No, but how untypical a day would it be to say have:
MacDonalds breakfast
Cereal bar
Microwavable lunch of description
Bag of crisps
For dinner Chicken and a pre-made jar of sauce. Maybe some coated (seasoned) frozen potatoes.
I think that's not an untypical kind of day for a lot of people - Most of those things are mass produced.
Although I sure the companies producing them use only the finest ingredients and to hell with the profit margins!
Can you honestly say you do not 'personally' know anyone that barely eats a bit of fruit or veg! I know loads.
This was the original statement in the quote string that started all of this:Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
You've gone from a discussion of clean eating vs. a wide diet with all foods in moderation to a discussion comparing clean eating vs. only packaged/fast food and almost no veggies. You're shifting the goal posts wildly.
Straw man argument.
How is my post straw man? I was answering the post about eating a wide diet in moderation was unhealtier than eating a 'clean diet'.
If a lot of the items on your wider diet (like SAD) are mass produced (multi-ingredient) and you eat each of them in moderation, a majority of your food is still mass produced!
why did you put mass produced next to multi-ingredient?????
mass produced and one ingredient
the incredible edible egg
http://www.uspoultry.org/economic_data/
I put multi ingredient next to mass produced so people didn't say stuff like - Yeah but what about eggs and apples - their healthy and mass produced.
Although I doubt anyone would be that obvious.
Maybe I've been around these forums too long. Although it is good to tussle with the trolls, from time to time! lol
*yawn* troll comment again.
Funny how everyone else is a troll, but I assume that you do not think you are.
I would recommend looking up the definition of troll.
Well I'm not the one hijacking a thread!
Who is and how are they doing so?
Seriously, have you seen the first page. There was only about legitimate (non hijacking) posts on the whole page!!!!
hijacks thread and then complains about the hijacking of same thread..lolz...
Sorry, you mean I hijacked your hijacking!
In case you didn't read the original OP:
I was just reading up on the Paleo diet haven't committed to anything yet still weighing my options. But reading it, it seems similar to eating clean, is it just a fancy name for the same thing? Has anyone had success using this diet
From the very first reply this thread was hijacked.
And subsequent posts after did not stay on track.
Very few (and certainly not for the FB) posts have addressed whether the diets are similar and non have addressed whether the diets are healthy, and only a minority in the number of post responses are from people who have tried either and are giving their feedback on them.
All that seems to have happened is its been hijacked by people sensitive to the fact both diets are named wrong (although that's just good marketing - someone has got very rich, high five to them) and that people eating clean are some how belittling every other fragile soul, who eats a ready meal or store bought bagel!
Why not stick to the OP's question. Oh that's right you haven't tried either of the diets so you are not really commenting from a position of experience (and I doubt good knowledge of them either).
I answered the OPs question ..she asked about paleo and clean eating, I said do neither and eat the foods that she likes and just maintain a deficit.
I am not the one that went off on a tangent about "bad' fats, what is "pretty much good", and what you think the majority of peoples diets are < all of which were not questions posed by the OP ..
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EatsNotTreats wrote: »soldiergrl_101 wrote: »I was just reading up on the Paleo diet haven't committed to anything yet still weighing my options. But reading it, it seems similar to eating clean, is it just a fancy name for the same thing? Has anyone had success using this diet
Paleo/Primal, yeah, these could be fancy names for clean eating, but they don't imply others are "dirty".
I've had unbelievable success with Primal diet and exercise. Weight loss and maintenenace, improvement/resolution of chronic diseases, complete resolution of GI issues, ridiculous improvement in immune response (I haven't got sick in the years that I've been on it, and I used to get about 7 colds a year), way better energy, no afternoon or long drive brain fog/drowsiness.
All without paying any attention to portion control. It has been wonderful.
And it has been super easy to maintain. Like I said, I've been on it for years without feeling cravings or a need to "cheat". Bc the food options are delicious.
I don't eat primal and I don't get seven colds a year….
I fail to see the connection between an eating style and getting an illness….0 -
tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
Really?
I'm pretty sure its healthier to eat home prepared meals each day than mass produced microwavable ready meals!
I'm pretty sure If you did eat mass produced ready meals each day, your levels of inflammation and oxidation would be higher than if you ate home prepared food.
My reasoning behind this is you would definitely be eating increased amounts of Man made transfats, Interesterified Fats and polyunsaturated fats.
So prove it. 'Pretty sure' doesn't cut it.
Also note the phrase 'in moderation'. I wouldn't recommend living on ready meals exclusively, but one or so a day isn't going to harm you.
No, but how untypical a day would it be to say have:
MacDonalds breakfast
Cereal bar
Microwavable lunch of description
Bag of crisps
For dinner Chicken and a pre-made jar of sauce. Maybe some coated (seasoned) frozen potatoes.
I think that's not an untypical kind of day for a lot of people - Most of those things are mass produced.
Although I sure the companies producing them use only the finest ingredients and to hell with the profit margins!
Can you honestly say you do not 'personally' know anyone that barely eats a bit of fruit or veg! I know loads.
This was the original statement in the quote string that started all of this:Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
You've gone from a discussion of clean eating vs. a wide diet with all foods in moderation to a discussion comparing clean eating vs. only packaged/fast food and almost no veggies. You're shifting the goal posts wildly.
Straw man argument.
How is my post straw man? I was answering the post about eating a wide diet in moderation was unhealtier than eating a 'clean diet'.
If a lot of the items on your wider diet (like SAD) are mass produced (multi-ingredient) and you eat each of them in moderation, a majority of your food is still mass produced!
why did you put mass produced next to multi-ingredient?????
mass produced and one ingredient
the incredible edible egg
http://www.uspoultry.org/economic_data/
I put multi ingredient next to mass produced so people didn't say stuff like - Yeah but what about eggs and apples - their healthy and mass produced.
Although I doubt anyone would be that obvious.
Maybe I've been around these forums too long. Although it is good to tussle with the trolls, from time to time! lol
*yawn* troll comment again.
Funny how everyone else is a troll, but I assume that you do not think you are.
I would recommend looking up the definition of troll.
Well I'm not the one hijacking a thread!
Who is and how are they doing so?
Seriously, have you seen the first page. There was only about legitimate (non hijacking) posts on the whole page!!!!
hijacks thread and then complains about the hijacking of same thread..lolz...
Sorry, you mean I hijacked your hijacking!
In case you didn't read the original OP:
I was just reading up on the Paleo diet haven't committed to anything yet still weighing my options. But reading it, it seems similar to eating clean, is it just a fancy name for the same thing? Has anyone had success using this diet
From the very first reply this thread was hijacked.
And subsequent posts after did not stay on track.
Very few (and certainly not for the FB) posts have addressed whether the diets are similar and non have addressed whether the diets are healthy, and only a minority in the number of post responses are from people who have tried either and are giving their feedback on them.
All that seems to have happened is its been hijacked by people sensitive to the fact both diets are named wrong (although that's just good marketing - someone has got very rich, high five to them) and that people eating clean are some how belittling every other fragile soul, who eats a ready meal or store bought bagel!
Why not stick to the OP's question. Oh that's right you haven't tried either of the diets so you are not really commenting from a position of experience (and I doubt good knowledge of them either).
I answered the OPs question ..she asked about paleo and clean eating, I said do neither and eat the foods that she likes and just maintain a deficit.
I am not the one that went off on a tangent about "bad' fats, what is "pretty much good", and what you think the majority of peoples diets are < all of which were not questions posed by the OP ..
trollers gonna troll..
You forgot about the complaining of hijacking.
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soldiergrl_101 wrote: »I was just reading up on the Paleo diet haven't committed to anything yet still weighing my options. But reading it, it seems similar to eating clean, is it just a fancy name for the same thing? Has anyone had success using this diet
I've tried both (as experiments) and lost weight and felt just fine on both.
I ditched both in the end because they proved unnecessarily restrictive for me but were good reminders that a focus on whole, minimally processed / refined foods helps with feelings of fullness particularly which makes dieting more manageable.
They are not quite the same thing but the area of convergence is large.0 -
tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
Really?
I'm pretty sure its healthier to eat home prepared meals each day than mass produced microwavable ready meals!
I'm pretty sure If you did eat mass produced ready meals each day, your levels of inflammation and oxidation would be higher than if you ate home prepared food.
My reasoning behind this is you would definitely be eating increased amounts of Man made transfats, Interesterified Fats and polyunsaturated fats.
So prove it. 'Pretty sure' doesn't cut it.
Also note the phrase 'in moderation'. I wouldn't recommend living on ready meals exclusively, but one or so a day isn't going to harm you.
No, but how untypical a day would it be to say have:
MacDonalds breakfast
Cereal bar
Microwavable lunch of description
Bag of crisps
For dinner Chicken and a pre-made jar of sauce. Maybe some coated (seasoned) frozen potatoes.
I think that's not an untypical kind of day for a lot of people - Most of those things are mass produced.
Although I sure the companies producing them use only the finest ingredients and to hell with the profit margins!
Can you honestly say you do not 'personally' know anyone that barely eats a bit of fruit or veg! I know loads.
This was the original statement in the quote string that started all of this:Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
You've gone from a discussion of clean eating vs. a wide diet with all foods in moderation to a discussion comparing clean eating vs. only packaged/fast food and almost no veggies. You're shifting the goal posts wildly.
Straw man argument.
How is my post straw man? I was answering the post about eating a wide diet in moderation was unhealtier than eating a 'clean diet'.
If a lot of the items on your wider diet (like SAD) are mass produced (multi-ingredient) and you eat each of them in moderation, a majority of your food is still mass produced!
why did you put mass produced next to multi-ingredient?????
mass produced and one ingredient
the incredible edible egg
http://www.uspoultry.org/economic_data/
I put multi ingredient next to mass produced so people didn't say stuff like - Yeah but what about eggs and apples - their healthy and mass produced.
Although I doubt anyone would be that obvious.
Maybe I've been around these forums too long. Although it is good to tussle with the trolls, from time to time! lol
*yawn* troll comment again.
Funny how everyone else is a troll, but I assume that you do not think you are.
I would recommend looking up the definition of troll.
Well I'm not the one hijacking a thread!
Who is and how are they doing so?
Seriously, have you seen the first page. There was only about legitimate (non hijacking) posts on the whole page!!!!
hijacks thread and then complains about the hijacking of same thread..lolz...
Sorry, you mean I hijacked your hijacking!
In case you didn't read the original OP:
I was just reading up on the Paleo diet haven't committed to anything yet still weighing my options. But reading it, it seems similar to eating clean, is it just a fancy name for the same thing? Has anyone had success using this diet
From the very first reply this thread was hijacked.
And subsequent posts after did not stay on track.
Very few (and certainly not for the FB) posts have addressed whether the diets are similar and non have addressed whether the diets are healthy, and only a minority in the number of post responses are from people who have tried either and are giving their feedback on them.
All that seems to have happened is its been hijacked by people sensitive to the fact both diets are named wrong (although that's just good marketing - someone has got very rich, high five to them) and that people eating clean are some how belittling every other fragile soul, who eats a ready meal or store bought bagel!
Why not stick to the OP's question. Oh that's right you haven't tried either of the diets so you are not really commenting from a position of experience (and I doubt good knowledge of them either).
I answered the OPs question ..she asked about paleo and clean eating, I said do neither and eat the foods that she likes and just maintain a deficit.
I am not the one that went off on a tangent about "bad' fats, what is "pretty much good", and what you think the majority of peoples diets are < all of which were not questions posed by the OP ..
trollers gonna troll..
I'm not saying didn't hijack your hijack!
I was addressing the question from a previous post asking why a clean diet was deemed healthier than a wider moderate diet - and those where my thoughts on it.
Also your answer to the OP doesn't make sense - they didn't ask which one should they choose!!!!!
Hijack much?
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I just saw someone hijacking a thread to complain about hijacking a thread. Only on MFP. lol.0
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EatsNotTreats wrote: »Paleo/Primal, yeah, these could be fancy names for clean eating, but they don't imply others are "dirty".
I like the sentiment, but if we assume that "clean" refers to eating whole foods or not stuff in boxes or whatever, they are different things.
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tennisdude2004 wrote: »Why not stick to the OP's question. Oh that's right you haven't tried either of the diets so you are not really commenting from a position of experience (and I doubt good knowledge of them either).
Why do you assume we haven't tried either way of eating?
For example, the usual complaint about "clean" eating is that it means nothing and in fact people who preen about eating "clean" usually eat like the rest of us in these discussions (including many of the same "processed" foods they just pretend are somehow not processed). You yourself jumped to a strawman about someone who eats McD's and then packaged pot pies and a hot dog with Twinkies every day (or some such, I forget the details) as if not eating "clean" meant not eating every meal from a box or a fast food restaurant. By that standard, I imagine all of us are "clean" eaters, yay us!
Therefore, my guess is that I've tried "clean" eating as much as anyone here.
As for paleo, I did try it, because I figured it might be an easy way to cut calories before I decided I enjoyed tracking and because it basically fits with my preferred way to eat (or so I thought) and my plan to cut calories that I ate mindlessly or without adequate enjoyment (in other words, adding rice to some meat and veggies or putting them in a sandwich almost never improves them to my specific taste). What I learned was that I missed dairy way more than I expected (and I've been eating lots of it since that experiment and feeling great), and that I found it pointless and annoying to go out of my way to avoid foods when I didn't have any particularly good reason for doing it, like an allergy or negative symptom from the foods (when I was doing it I couldn't find a soup at Pret without either grains or beans, but many of the soup options were otherwise good and would have been helpful to my goals to be able to eat, for example).
Also, I realized that since the foods in question were ones I didn't care that much about most of the time (I'd bet good money that overeating beans will never be a weight management issue for me), eliminating them served no point. So I shifted to a calorie focused approach (although I could stop tracking and keep to it, I think), although to a certain extent I do cut calories by not eating grains as much as I might and being more sparing re starchy carbs in general (although no way would I give up potatoes--that's why I never did a Whole30).
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lemurcat12 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »Why not stick to the OP's question. Oh that's right you haven't tried either of the diets so you are not really commenting from a position of experience (and I doubt good knowledge of them either).
Why do you assume we haven't tried either way of eating?
For example, the usual complaint about "clean" eating is that it means nothing and in fact people who preen about eating "clean" usually eat like the rest of us in these discussions (including many of the same "processed" foods they just pretend are somehow not processed). You yourself jumped to a strawman about someone who eats McD's and then packaged pot pies and a hot dog with Twinkies every day (or some such, I forget the details) as if not eating "clean" meant not eating every meal from a box or a fast food restaurant. By that standard, I imagine all of us are "clean" eaters, yay us!
Therefore, my guess is that I've tried "clean" eating as much as anyone here.
As for paleo, I did try it, because I figured it might be an easy way to cut calories before I decided I enjoyed tracking and because it basically fits with my preferred way to eat (or so I thought) and my plan to cut calories that I ate mindlessly or without adequate enjoyment (in other words, adding rice to some meat and veggies or putting them in a sandwich almost never improves them to my specific taste). What I learned was that I missed dairy way more than I expected (and I've been eating lots of it since that experiment and feeling great), and that I found it pointless and annoying to go out of my way to avoid foods when I didn't have any particularly good reason for doing it, like an allergy or negative symptom from the foods (when I was doing it I couldn't find a soup at Pret without either grains or beans, but many of the soup options were otherwise good and would have been helpful to my goals to be able to eat, for example).
Also, I realized that since the foods in question were ones I didn't care that much about most of the time (I'd bet good money that overeating beans will never be a weight management issue for me), eliminating them served no point. So I shifted to a calorie focused approach (although I could stop tracking and keep to it, I think), although to a certain extent I do cut calories by not eating grains as much as I might and being more sparing re starchy carbs in general (although no way would I give up potatoes--that's why I never did a Whole30).
My response wasn't to you, it was clearly to ndj1979 - and I know from previous conversations he is not talking from a position of experience.
In regards to the example of a days food I gave, I pretty much ate like that last year - so I was drawing on my own experience and I do not think I am untypical.
Also there were no twinkies (they're not that big over here).
I'm not claiming to be a clean eater by the way - I'm just not overly sensitive about other people that do.
Maybe I am untypical because when I hear someone wanting to eat a healthier diet I don't instantly feel as though they have just walked across the room and slapped me in the face) because I choose to eat a less than optimal diet (that's not to say Clean diets are by the way ) but IMO a clean diet (and by clean I mean a better way than the standard western diet).-1 -
tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
Really?
I'm pretty sure its healthier to eat home prepared meals each day than mass produced microwavable ready meals!
I'm pretty sure If you did eat mass produced ready meals each day, your levels of inflammation and oxidation would be higher than if you ate home prepared food.
My reasoning behind this is you would definitely be eating increased amounts of Man made transfats, Interesterified Fats and polyunsaturated fats.
So prove it. 'Pretty sure' doesn't cut it.
Also note the phrase 'in moderation'. I wouldn't recommend living on ready meals exclusively, but one or so a day isn't going to harm you.
No, but how untypical a day would it be to say have:
MacDonalds breakfast
Cereal bar
Microwavable lunch of description
Bag of crisps
For dinner Chicken and a pre-made jar of sauce. Maybe some coated (seasoned) frozen potatoes.
I think that's not an untypical kind of day for a lot of people - Most of those things are mass produced.
Although I sure the companies producing them use only the finest ingredients and to hell with the profit margins!
Can you honestly say you do not 'personally' know anyone that barely eats a bit of fruit or veg! I know loads.
This was the original statement in the quote string that started all of this:Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
You've gone from a discussion of clean eating vs. a wide diet with all foods in moderation to a discussion comparing clean eating vs. only packaged/fast food and almost no veggies. You're shifting the goal posts wildly.
Straw man argument.
How is my post straw man? I was answering the post about eating a wide diet in moderation was unhealtier than eating a 'clean diet'.
If a lot of the items on your wider diet (like SAD) are mass produced (multi-ingredient) and you eat each of them in moderation, a majority of your food is still mass produced!
why did you put mass produced next to multi-ingredient?????
mass produced and one ingredient
the incredible edible egg
http://www.uspoultry.org/economic_data/
I put multi ingredient next to mass produced so people didn't say stuff like - Yeah but what about eggs and apples - their healthy and mass produced.
Although I doubt anyone would be that obvious.
Maybe I've been around these forums too long. Although it is good to tussle with the trolls, from time to time! lol
*yawn* troll comment again.
Funny how everyone else is a troll, but I assume that you do not think you are.
I would recommend looking up the definition of troll.
Well I'm not the one hijacking a thread!
Who is and how are they doing so?
Seriously, have you seen the first page. There was only about legitimate (non hijacking) posts on the whole page!!!!
hijacks thread and then complains about the hijacking of same thread..lolz...
Sorry, you mean I hijacked your hijacking!
In case you didn't read the original OP:
I was just reading up on the Paleo diet haven't committed to anything yet still weighing my options. But reading it, it seems similar to eating clean, is it just a fancy name for the same thing? Has anyone had success using this diet
From the very first reply this thread was hijacked.
And subsequent posts after did not stay on track.
Very few (and certainly not for the FB) posts have addressed whether the diets are similar and non have addressed whether the diets are healthy, and only a minority in the number of post responses are from people who have tried either and are giving their feedback on them.
All that seems to have happened is its been hijacked by people sensitive to the fact both diets are named wrong (although that's just good marketing - someone has got very rich, high five to them) and that people eating clean are some how belittling every other fragile soul, who eats a ready meal or store bought bagel!
Why not stick to the OP's question. Oh that's right you haven't tried either of the diets so you are not really commenting from a position of experience (and I doubt good knowledge of them either).
I answered the OPs question ..she asked about paleo and clean eating, I said do neither and eat the foods that she likes and just maintain a deficit.
I am not the one that went off on a tangent about "bad' fats, what is "pretty much good", and what you think the majority of peoples diets are < all of which were not questions posed by the OP ..
trollers gonna troll..
I'm not saying didn't hijack your hijack!
I was addressing the question from a previous post asking why a clean diet was deemed healthier than a wider moderate diet - and those where my thoughts on it.
Also your answer to the OP doesn't make sense - they didn't ask which one should they choose!!!!!
Hijack much?
I did answer the question. I said neither is required for weight loss, thus, OP does not need to bother with either.
I am not the one spewing off in every direction and then when confronted about said nonsensical statements, provide no response and then complain about "hijacking"….0 -
yopeeps025 wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
Really?
I'm pretty sure its healthier to eat home prepared meals each day than mass produced microwavable ready meals!
I'm pretty sure If you did eat mass produced ready meals each day, your levels of inflammation and oxidation would be higher than if you ate home prepared food.
My reasoning behind this is you would definitely be eating increased amounts of Man made transfats, Interesterified Fats and polyunsaturated fats.
So prove it. 'Pretty sure' doesn't cut it.
Also note the phrase 'in moderation'. I wouldn't recommend living on ready meals exclusively, but one or so a day isn't going to harm you.
No, but how untypical a day would it be to say have:
MacDonalds breakfast
Cereal bar
Microwavable lunch of description
Bag of crisps
For dinner Chicken and a pre-made jar of sauce. Maybe some coated (seasoned) frozen potatoes.
I think that's not an untypical kind of day for a lot of people - Most of those things are mass produced.
Although I sure the companies producing them use only the finest ingredients and to hell with the profit margins!
Can you honestly say you do not 'personally' know anyone that barely eats a bit of fruit or veg! I know loads.
This was the original statement in the quote string that started all of this:Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
You've gone from a discussion of clean eating vs. a wide diet with all foods in moderation to a discussion comparing clean eating vs. only packaged/fast food and almost no veggies. You're shifting the goal posts wildly.
Straw man argument.
Good god in bacon, this thread makes me want to strangle someone.
Because the best way to have a discussion is to lead your opponent down a path of "what about THIS? what about THAT?" and then when they try to helpfully oblige, accuse them of strawmanning and avoiding the original point.
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rprussell2004 wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
Really?
I'm pretty sure its healthier to eat home prepared meals each day than mass produced microwavable ready meals!
I'm pretty sure If you did eat mass produced ready meals each day, your levels of inflammation and oxidation would be higher than if you ate home prepared food.
My reasoning behind this is you would definitely be eating increased amounts of Man made transfats, Interesterified Fats and polyunsaturated fats.
So prove it. 'Pretty sure' doesn't cut it.
Also note the phrase 'in moderation'. I wouldn't recommend living on ready meals exclusively, but one or so a day isn't going to harm you.
No, but how untypical a day would it be to say have:
MacDonalds breakfast
Cereal bar
Microwavable lunch of description
Bag of crisps
For dinner Chicken and a pre-made jar of sauce. Maybe some coated (seasoned) frozen potatoes.
I think that's not an untypical kind of day for a lot of people - Most of those things are mass produced.
Although I sure the companies producing them use only the finest ingredients and to hell with the profit margins!
Can you honestly say you do not 'personally' know anyone that barely eats a bit of fruit or veg! I know loads.
This was the original statement in the quote string that started all of this:Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
You've gone from a discussion of clean eating vs. a wide diet with all foods in moderation to a discussion comparing clean eating vs. only packaged/fast food and almost no veggies. You're shifting the goal posts wildly.
Straw man argument.
Good god in bacon, this thread makes me want to strangle someone.
Because the best way to have a discussion is to lead your opponent down a path of "what about THIS? what about THAT?" and then when they try to helpfully oblige, accuse them of strawmanning and avoiding the original point.
<facedesk>
Lol
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tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
Really?
I'm pretty sure its healthier to eat home prepared meals each day than mass produced microwavable ready meals!
I'm pretty sure If you did eat mass produced ready meals each day, your levels of inflammation and oxidation would be higher than if you ate home prepared food.
My reasoning behind this is you would definitely be eating increased amounts of Man made transfats, Interesterified Fats and polyunsaturated fats.
So prove it. 'Pretty sure' doesn't cut it.
Also note the phrase 'in moderation'. I wouldn't recommend living on ready meals exclusively, but one or so a day isn't going to harm you.
No, but how untypical a day would it be to say have:
MacDonalds breakfast
Cereal bar
Microwavable lunch of description
Bag of crisps
For dinner Chicken and a pre-made jar of sauce. Maybe some coated (seasoned) frozen potatoes.
I think that's not an untypical kind of day for a lot of people - Most of those things are mass produced.
Although I sure the companies producing them use only the finest ingredients and to hell with the profit margins!
Can you honestly say you do not 'personally' know anyone that barely eats a bit of fruit or veg! I know loads.
This was the original statement in the quote string that started all of this:Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
You've gone from a discussion of clean eating vs. a wide diet with all foods in moderation to a discussion comparing clean eating vs. only packaged/fast food and almost no veggies. You're shifting the goal posts wildly.
Straw man argument.
How is my post straw man? I was answering the post about eating a wide diet in moderation was unhealtier than eating a 'clean diet'.
If a lot of the items on your wider diet (like SAD) are mass produced (multi-ingredient) and you eat each of them in moderation, a majority of your food is still mass produced!
why did you put mass produced next to multi-ingredient?????
mass produced and one ingredient
the incredible edible egg
http://www.uspoultry.org/economic_data/
I put multi ingredient next to mass produced so people didn't say stuff like - Yeah but what about eggs and apples - their healthy and mass produced.
Although I doubt anyone would be that obvious.
Maybe I've been around these forums too long. Although it is good to tussle with the trolls, from time to time! lol
*yawn* troll comment again.
Funny how everyone else is a troll, but I assume that you do not think you are.
I would recommend looking up the definition of troll.
Well I'm not the one hijacking a thread!
Who is and how are they doing so?
Seriously, have you seen the first page. There was only about legitimate (non hijacking) posts on the whole page!!!!
hijacks thread and then complains about the hijacking of same thread..lolz...
Sorry, you mean I hijacked your hijacking!
In case you didn't read the original OP:
I was just reading up on the Paleo diet haven't committed to anything yet still weighing my options. But reading it, it seems similar to eating clean, is it just a fancy name for the same thing? Has anyone had success using this diet
From the very first reply this thread was hijacked.
And subsequent posts after did not stay on track.
Very few (and certainly not for the FB) posts have addressed whether the diets are similar and non have addressed whether the diets are healthy, and only a minority in the number of post responses are from people who have tried either and are giving their feedback on them.
All that seems to have happened is its been hijacked by people sensitive to the fact both diets are named wrong (although that's just good marketing - someone has got very rich, high five to them) and that people eating clean are some how belittling every other fragile soul, who eats a ready meal or store bought bagel!
Why not stick to the OP's question. Oh that's right you haven't tried either of the diets so you are not really commenting from a position of experience (and I doubt good knowledge of them either).
I answered the OPs question ..she asked about paleo and clean eating, I said do neither and eat the foods that she likes and just maintain a deficit.
I am not the one that went off on a tangent about "bad' fats, what is "pretty much good", and what you think the majority of peoples diets are < all of which were not questions posed by the OP ..
trollers gonna troll..
I'm not saying didn't hijack your hijack!
I was addressing the question from a previous post asking why a clean diet was deemed healthier than a wider moderate diet - and those where my thoughts on it.
Also your answer to the OP doesn't make sense - they didn't ask which one should they choose!!!!!
Hijack much?
I did answer the question. I said neither is required for weight loss, thus, OP does not need to bother with either.
I am not the one spewing off in every direction and then when confronted about said nonsensical statements, provide no response and then complain about "hijacking"….
Again - no you didn't answer the question! You offered an unsolicited opinion - which as this is an open forum is your right!
What was the question regarding my nonsensical statement - I may have missed the question - ask again and I'll try an answer it! or offer an unsolicited statement - either seems to work with you dude!
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rprussell2004 wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
Really?
I'm pretty sure its healthier to eat home prepared meals each day than mass produced microwavable ready meals!
I'm pretty sure If you did eat mass produced ready meals each day, your levels of inflammation and oxidation would be higher than if you ate home prepared food.
My reasoning behind this is you would definitely be eating increased amounts of Man made transfats, Interesterified Fats and polyunsaturated fats.
So prove it. 'Pretty sure' doesn't cut it.
Also note the phrase 'in moderation'. I wouldn't recommend living on ready meals exclusively, but one or so a day isn't going to harm you.
No, but how untypical a day would it be to say have:
MacDonalds breakfast
Cereal bar
Microwavable lunch of description
Bag of crisps
For dinner Chicken and a pre-made jar of sauce. Maybe some coated (seasoned) frozen potatoes.
I think that's not an untypical kind of day for a lot of people - Most of those things are mass produced.
Although I sure the companies producing them use only the finest ingredients and to hell with the profit margins!
Can you honestly say you do not 'personally' know anyone that barely eats a bit of fruit or veg! I know loads.
This was the original statement in the quote string that started all of this:Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
You've gone from a discussion of clean eating vs. a wide diet with all foods in moderation to a discussion comparing clean eating vs. only packaged/fast food and almost no veggies. You're shifting the goal posts wildly.
Straw man argument.
Good god in bacon, this thread makes me want to strangle someone.
Because the best way to have a discussion is to lead your opponent down a path of "what about THIS? what about THAT?" and then when they try to helpfully oblige, accuse them of strawmanning and avoiding the original point.
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Strawman argument.
Thread still hijacked. lollerskates.0 -
Pumpkin Pie Label for :"home made pumpkin pie"
INGREDIENTS: Skim Milk, Cream, Sugar, Pumpkin, Pie Crust {Enriched Flour, Shortening (Partially Hydrogenated Soybean and Cottonseed Oils), Sugar, Water, corn Startch, Salt Coconut Oil, Pasteurized Eggs, Corn syrup, Brown Sugar, Annatto [ Natural Color, Stabilizer [Celluolse Gum, Carob Bean Gum, Carrageenan, Guar Gum, Dextrose, Salt], Lemon Juice Concentrate, Cellulose Gum, Natural Flavors, Spices.
To me, that seems like a highly processed food item. "Not Clean"
When we make pumpkin pie at home the can we start with say this:
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tennisdude2004 wrote: »Maybe I am untypical because when I hear someone wanting to eat a healthier diet I don't instantly feel as though they have just walked across the room and slapped me in the face) because I choose to eat a less than optimal diet (that's not to say Clean diets are by the way ) but IMO a clean diet (and by clean I mean a better way than the standard western diet).
I don't think people here react negatively to someone wanting to eat a healthier diet. I am always encouraging of that. I think people react negatively to the term "clean" specifically, and also often disagree with the idea that a focus on eliminating foods is the best way to eat healthy or somehow healthier than how people who don't eliminate foods (but who know about and care about nutrition) eat.0 -
EatsNotTreats wrote: »rprussell2004 wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
Really?
I'm pretty sure its healthier to eat home prepared meals each day than mass produced microwavable ready meals!
I'm pretty sure If you did eat mass produced ready meals each day, your levels of inflammation and oxidation would be higher than if you ate home prepared food.
My reasoning behind this is you would definitely be eating increased amounts of Man made transfats, Interesterified Fats and polyunsaturated fats.
So prove it. 'Pretty sure' doesn't cut it.
Also note the phrase 'in moderation'. I wouldn't recommend living on ready meals exclusively, but one or so a day isn't going to harm you.
No, but how untypical a day would it be to say have:
MacDonalds breakfast
Cereal bar
Microwavable lunch of description
Bag of crisps
For dinner Chicken and a pre-made jar of sauce. Maybe some coated (seasoned) frozen potatoes.
I think that's not an untypical kind of day for a lot of people - Most of those things are mass produced.
Although I sure the companies producing them use only the finest ingredients and to hell with the profit margins!
Can you honestly say you do not 'personally' know anyone that barely eats a bit of fruit or veg! I know loads.
This was the original statement in the quote string that started all of this:Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
You've gone from a discussion of clean eating vs. a wide diet with all foods in moderation to a discussion comparing clean eating vs. only packaged/fast food and almost no veggies. You're shifting the goal posts wildly.
Straw man argument.
Good god in bacon, this thread makes me want to strangle someone.
Because the best way to have a discussion is to lead your opponent down a path of "what about THIS? what about THAT?" and then when they try to helpfully oblige, accuse them of strawmanning and avoiding the original point.
<facedesk>
Regardless of where you stand on the eating issue, I think your post is absolute gold.
Thanks! And FWIW, I am heavily pro-eating.
(Although LESS heavily over the past 12 mos...)0
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