Paleo vs Eatting clean?
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To be fair, the OP never came back to clarify what her reasons or goals are for wanting change her diet to paleo or clean. For all we know, it has little to do with health and she just wants to do it because she read somewhere that she could lose 3 inches off her hips in a week if she just switches to one of these eating styles. And we all know that neither paleo or clean eating guarantee health improvements because it's possible to have an unbalanced diet no matter how you eat.baconslave wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »
Maybe I am untypical because when I hear someone wanting to eat a healthier diet I don't instantly feel as though they have just walked across the room and slapped me in the face)
It's sucks being the sane minority, doesn't it?
I don't blame the OP for not coming back. Between you, me and the rest of us it's a bit like kindergarten!-1 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »jenluvsushi wrote: »I was eating tons of high cholesterol foods like whole eggs and red meat too.....but still it was much lower so I am assuming it was what I was eating previously.
Most people's cholesterol doesn't respond to dietary cholesterol.
^^^^^ yep!
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To be fair, the OP never came back to clarify what her reasons or goals are for wanting change her diet to paleo or clean. For all we know, it has little to do with health and she just wants to do it because she read somewhere that she could lose 3 inches off her hips in a week if she just switches to one of these eating styles. And we all know that neither paleo or clean eating guarantee health improvements because it's possible to have an unbalanced diet no matter how you eat.baconslave wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »
Maybe I am untypical because when I hear someone wanting to eat a healthier diet I don't instantly feel as though they have just walked across the room and slapped me in the face)
It's sucks being the sane minority, doesn't it?
I have ZERO problem with simple correction of misinformation. The mocking, insulting, and other stupid BS that often comes with it is my issue. It started from the first replies to OP's post. Why? Because it was a thread about clean eating. And paleo. Double whammy.
Correcting misinformation is one thing. Correcting misinformation is very good. I like that. Mob mentality mockery and threadjacking is another. But since OP didn't come back, I suppose it must all be justified? I don't buy that. OP didn't come back, but other people still read it. I'm not even a "clean eater" but this nonsense bothers me. But I'll get over it. Because it doesn't matter since tomorrow, or later today, someone else will have a question about either topic and the circus will begin all over again. Except maybe it will be different topic someone needs to know about. It seems like poorly done Googling is better than coming here for info any more. You have to wade through much more garbage.
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So who is the wacko who flagged a bunch of posts here as spam when they clearly are not?
If there's no negative repercussions for frivolous flagging, I think you at least ought to be able to see who did the flagging.
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I was wondering that too - seriously people keep joking that folks are using it as a like button - that's not what's happening, is it? Because I really don't know why these benign statements would get flagged?
Awaiting my flag in 3..2...1....0 -
baconslave wrote: »The mocking, insulting, and other stupid BS that often comes with it is my issue. It started from the first replies to OP's post. Why? Because it was a thread about clean eating. And paleo. Double whammy.
Oh, that's not true at all.
OP asked about whether the two were the same (which ought to be obvious, especially since "clean" apparently means whatever the user wants it to mean, but whatever). I gave a long detailed ON TOPIC answer to that, and OP did not respond at all.
Most of this thread has been discussion of what "clean" is and what "paleo" is and various ideas about whether they are helpful. Also, the reason "clean eating" comes in for such mockery has nothing to do with people wanting to eat healthy--that's generally supported. It has to do with people deciding that they wish to choose a label that insults the food choices made by others. If you do that, then of course people are going to challenge your claim. If you don't want it, choose something more neutral.0 -
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if anyone wants to review guidelines for posting on forum or flagging here are links:
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if anyone wants to review guidelines for posting on forum or flagging here are links:
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/welcome/guidelines
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10019254/flagged-content-reported-posts-warning-points#latest
Right - none of those guidelines seems to fit the description of why things were flagged in this thread. I wish people who flagged things would just say, "I flagged you because...."
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Just think of the flag as a "like" button. That's the way I go about it.0
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LolBroScience wrote: »jenluvsushi wrote: »SnuggleSmacks wrote: »jenluvsushi wrote: »All I know for sure is that after I stopped eating fake weight-watcher type "diet" snacks (100 calorie snack packs too), my cholesterol level plummeted. Do what works for you and unless they are paying your bills, pay them b*tches no mind!
How do I know if they're fake or not? I just bought some 100 calorie snack packs of nuts. Some are just roasted nuts, and others have a vanilla coating. Is there some specific ingredient I should look out for, or does the fact that they come in a big package, broken into individual packages, automatically eliminate them from a healthy diet?
I'm not talking about roasted nuts...those are freaking awesome. I'm talking about 100 calorie "diet" foods that are super processed. I was into lean cuisines and weight watchers snacks with thousand ingredient labels. I was also pretty thin but had off the chart cholesterol. When I stopped eating that garbage, my cholesterol went down to normal levels. I was eating tons of high cholesterol foods like whole eggs and red meat too.....but still it was much lower so I am assuming it was what I was eating previously.
Did you lose weight over that period of time?
No...ironically, I was heavier by A LOT but had way lower cholsterol when I stopped eating super processed food (not ALL processed food...but the kind I referrd to earlier). My entire life I had very high (genetic) cholesterol.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »baconslave wrote: »The mocking, insulting, and other stupid BS that often comes with it is my issue. It started from the first replies to OP's post. Why? Because it was a thread about clean eating. And paleo. Double whammy.
Oh, that's not true at all.
OP asked about whether the two were the same (which ought to be obvious, especially since "clean" apparently means whatever the user wants it to mean, but whatever). I gave a long detailed ON TOPIC answer to that, and OP did not respond at all.
Most of this thread has been discussion of what "clean" is and what "paleo" is and various ideas about whether they are helpful. Also, the reason "clean eating" comes in for such mockery has nothing to do with people wanting to eat healthy--that's generally supported. It has to do with people deciding that they wish to choose a label that insults the food choices made by others. If you do that, then of course people are going to challenge your claim. If you don't want it, choose something more neutral.
I also gave an on-topic response asking what the OP meant by success - to gauge where she was coming from and what she was hoping to achieve. No response.
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tennisdude2004 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »jenluvsushi wrote: »I was eating tons of high cholesterol foods like whole eggs and red meat too.....but still it was much lower so I am assuming it was what I was eating previously.
Most people's cholesterol doesn't respond to dietary cholesterol.
^^^^^ yep!
I wonder why I had such a drastic change then? I was much heavier weight wise and eating a super high cholesterol/fat diet but still had way lower cholesterol then when I was thin and eating nothing but frozen lean cuisines. I eventually lost weight that way as well.0 -
herrspoons wrote: »This thread has gone either full troll or full potato.
Actually, it's gone troltato.
Legit lol.
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tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
Really?
I'm pretty sure its healthier to eat home prepared meals each day than mass produced microwavable ready meals!
I'm pretty sure If you did eat mass produced ready meals each day, your levels of inflammation and oxidation would be higher than if you ate home prepared food.
My reasoning behind this is you would definitely be eating increased amounts of Man made transfats, Interesterified Fats and polyunsaturated fats.
So prove it. 'Pretty sure' doesn't cut it.
Also note the phrase 'in moderation'. I wouldn't recommend living on ready meals exclusively, but one or so a day isn't going to harm you.
No, but how untypical a day would it be to say have:
MacDonalds breakfast
Cereal bar
Microwavable lunch of description
Bag of crisps
For dinner Chicken and a pre-made jar of sauce. Maybe some coated (seasoned) frozen potatoes.
I think that's not an untypical kind of day for a lot of people - Most of those things are mass produced.
Although I sure the companies producing them use only the finest ingredients and to hell with the profit margins!
Can you honestly say you do not 'personally' know anyone that barely eats a bit of fruit or veg! I know loads.
This was the original statement in the quote string that started all of this:Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
You've gone from a discussion of clean eating vs. a wide diet with all foods in moderation to a discussion comparing clean eating vs. only packaged/fast food and almost no veggies. You're shifting the goal posts wildly.
Straw man argument.
How is my post straw man? I was answering the post about eating a wide diet in moderation was unhealtier than eating a 'clean diet'.
If a lot of the items on your wider diet (like SAD) are mass produced (multi-ingredient) and you eat each of them in moderation, a majority of your food is still mass produced!
why did you put mass produced next to multi-ingredient?????
mass produced and one ingredient
the incredible edible egg
http://www.uspoultry.org/economic_data/
I put multi ingredient next to mass produced so people didn't say stuff like - Yeah but what about eggs and apples - their healthy and mass produced.
Although I doubt anyone would be that obvious.
Maybe I've been around these forums too long. Although it is good to tussle with the trolls, from time to time! lol
*yawn* troll comment again.
Funny how everyone else is a troll, but I assume that you do not think you are.
I would recommend looking up the definition of troll.
Well I'm not the one hijacking a thread!
Who is and how are they doing so?
Seriously, have you seen the first page. There was only about legitimate (non hijacking) posts on the whole page!!!!
hijacks thread and then complains about the hijacking of same thread..lolz...
Sorry, you mean I hijacked your hijacking!
In case you didn't read the original OP:
I was just reading up on the Paleo diet haven't committed to anything yet still weighing my options. But reading it, it seems similar to eating clean, is it just a fancy name for the same thing? Has anyone had success using this diet
From the very first reply this thread was hijacked.
And subsequent posts after did not stay on track.
Very few (and certainly not for the FB) posts have addressed whether the diets are similar and non have addressed whether the diets are healthy, and only a minority in the number of post responses are from people who have tried either and are giving their feedback on them.
All that seems to have happened is its been hijacked by people sensitive to the fact both diets are named wrong (although that's just good marketing - someone has got very rich, high five to them) and that people eating clean are some how belittling every other fragile soul, who eats a ready meal or store bought bagel!
Why not stick to the OP's question. Oh that's right you haven't tried either of the diets so you are not really commenting from a position of experience (and I doubt good knowledge of them either).
I answered the OPs question ..she asked about paleo and clean eating, I said do neither and eat the foods that she likes and just maintain a deficit.
I am not the one that went off on a tangent about "bad' fats, what is "pretty much good", and what you think the majority of peoples diets are < all of which were not questions posed by the OP ..
trollers gonna troll..
I'm not saying didn't hijack your hijack!
I was addressing the question from a previous post asking why a clean diet was deemed healthier than a wider moderate diet - and those where my thoughts on it.
Also your answer to the OP doesn't make sense - they didn't ask which one should they choose!!!!!
Hijack much?
I did answer the question. I said neither is required for weight loss, thus, OP does not need to bother with either.
I am not the one spewing off in every direction and then when confronted about said nonsensical statements, provide no response and then complain about "hijacking"….
Again - no you didn't answer the question! You offered an unsolicited opinion - which as this is an open forum is your right!
What was the question regarding my nonsensical statement - I may have missed the question - ask again and I'll try an answer it! or offer an unsolicited statement - either seems to work with you dude!
the question was paleo vs clean eating ..
my answer is neither..
reading comprehension much duuuuuude?0 -
baconslave wrote: »
To be fair, the OP never came back to clarify what her reasons or goals are for wanting change her diet to paleo or clean. For all we know, it has little to do with health and she just wants to do it because she read somewhere that she could lose 3 inches off her hips in a week if she just switches to one of these eating styles. And we all know that neither paleo or clean eating guarantee health improvements because it's possible to have an unbalanced diet no matter how you eat.baconslave wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »
Maybe I am untypical because when I hear someone wanting to eat a healthier diet I don't instantly feel as though they have just walked across the room and slapped me in the face)
It's sucks being the sane minority, doesn't it?
I have ZERO problem with simple correction of misinformation. The mocking, insulting, and other stupid BS that often comes with it is my issue. It started from the first replies to OP's post. Why? Because it was a thread about clean eating. And paleo. Double whammy.
Correcting misinformation is one thing. Correcting misinformation is very good. I like that. Mob mentality mockery and threadjacking is another. But since OP didn't come back, I suppose it must all be justified? I don't buy that. OP didn't come back, but other people still read it. I'm not even a "clean eater" but this nonsense bothers me. But I'll get over it. Because it doesn't matter since tomorrow, or later today, someone else will have a question about either topic and the circus will begin all over again. Except maybe it will be different topic someone needs to know about. It seems like poorly done Googling is better than coming here for info any more. You have to wade through much more garbage.
There are other forums. One of them may suit you better, you are not being forced to be here.
OR
You can embody the change you'd like to see on the forum.0 -
tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
Really?
I'm pretty sure its healthier to eat home prepared meals each day than mass produced microwavable ready meals!
I'm pretty sure If you did eat mass produced ready meals each day, your levels of inflammation and oxidation would be higher than if you ate home prepared food.
My reasoning behind this is you would definitely be eating increased amounts of Man made transfats, Interesterified Fats and polyunsaturated fats.
So prove it. 'Pretty sure' doesn't cut it.
Also note the phrase 'in moderation'. I wouldn't recommend living on ready meals exclusively, but one or so a day isn't going to harm you.
No, but how untypical a day would it be to say have:
MacDonalds breakfast
Cereal bar
Microwavable lunch of description
Bag of crisps
For dinner Chicken and a pre-made jar of sauce. Maybe some coated (seasoned) frozen potatoes.
I think that's not an untypical kind of day for a lot of people - Most of those things are mass produced.
Although I sure the companies producing them use only the finest ingredients and to hell with the profit margins!
Can you honestly say you do not 'personally' know anyone that barely eats a bit of fruit or veg! I know loads.
This was the original statement in the quote string that started all of this:Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
You've gone from a discussion of clean eating vs. a wide diet with all foods in moderation to a discussion comparing clean eating vs. only packaged/fast food and almost no veggies. You're shifting the goal posts wildly.
Straw man argument.
How is my post straw man? I was answering the post about eating a wide diet in moderation was unhealtier than eating a 'clean diet'.
If a lot of the items on your wider diet (like SAD) are mass produced (multi-ingredient) and you eat each of them in moderation, a majority of your food is still mass produced!
why did you put mass produced next to multi-ingredient?????
mass produced and one ingredient
the incredible edible egg
http://www.uspoultry.org/economic_data/
I put multi ingredient next to mass produced so people didn't say stuff like - Yeah but what about eggs and apples - their healthy and mass produced.
Although I doubt anyone would be that obvious.
Maybe I've been around these forums too long. Although it is good to tussle with the trolls, from time to time! lol
*yawn* troll comment again.
Funny how everyone else is a troll, but I assume that you do not think you are.
I would recommend looking up the definition of troll.
Well I'm not the one hijacking a thread!
Who is and how are they doing so?
Seriously, have you seen the first page. There was only about legitimate (non hijacking) posts on the whole page!!!!
hijacks thread and then complains about the hijacking of same thread..lolz...
Sorry, you mean I hijacked your hijacking!
In case you didn't read the original OP:
I was just reading up on the Paleo diet haven't committed to anything yet still weighing my options. But reading it, it seems similar to eating clean, is it just a fancy name for the same thing? Has anyone had success using this diet
From the very first reply this thread was hijacked.
And subsequent posts after did not stay on track.
Very few (and certainly not for the FB) posts have addressed whether the diets are similar and non have addressed whether the diets are healthy, and only a minority in the number of post responses are from people who have tried either and are giving their feedback on them.
All that seems to have happened is its been hijacked by people sensitive to the fact both diets are named wrong (although that's just good marketing - someone has got very rich, high five to them) and that people eating clean are some how belittling every other fragile soul, who eats a ready meal or store bought bagel!
Why not stick to the OP's question. Oh that's right you haven't tried either of the diets so you are not really commenting from a position of experience (and I doubt good knowledge of them either).
I answered the OPs question ..she asked about paleo and clean eating, I said do neither and eat the foods that she likes and just maintain a deficit.
I am not the one that went off on a tangent about "bad' fats, what is "pretty much good", and what you think the majority of peoples diets are < all of which were not questions posed by the OP ..
trollers gonna troll..
I'm not saying didn't hijack your hijack!
I was addressing the question from a previous post asking why a clean diet was deemed healthier than a wider moderate diet - and those where my thoughts on it.
Also your answer to the OP doesn't make sense - they didn't ask which one should they choose!!!!!
Hijack much?
I did answer the question. I said neither is required for weight loss, thus, OP does not need to bother with either.
I am not the one spewing off in every direction and then when confronted about said nonsensical statements, provide no response and then complain about "hijacking"….
Again - no you didn't answer the question! You offered an unsolicited opinion - which as this is an open forum is your right!
What was the question regarding my nonsensical statement - I may have missed the question - ask again and I'll try an answer it! or offer an unsolicited statement - either seems to work with you dude!
the question was paleo vs clean eating ..
my answer is neither..
reading comprehension much duuuuuude?
It's not me with the reading comprehension!!!
I've copied and pasted it 'again' for you to read through slowly!
I was just reading up on the Paleo diet haven't committed to anything yet still weighing my options. But reading it, it seems similar to eating clean, is it just a fancy name for the same thing? Has anyone had success using this diet
The questions unless I am mistaken is: are Paleo and clean eat different names for the same thing? and has anyone had success using this diet?
Seems quite clear!
The question was not: which should I choose - because that would look something like this.
Paelo or clean eating, which should I choose?
I believe the title Paleo vs clean eating was the OP's need to know the comparison between the two (as was clear in the more detailed question above) - not sure the answer - 'neither' would have been that helpful!-1 -
tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
Really?
I'm pretty sure its healthier to eat home prepared meals each day than mass produced microwavable ready meals!
I'm pretty sure If you did eat mass produced ready meals each day, your levels of inflammation and oxidation would be higher than if you ate home prepared food.
My reasoning behind this is you would definitely be eating increased amounts of Man made transfats, Interesterified Fats and polyunsaturated fats.
So prove it. 'Pretty sure' doesn't cut it.
Also note the phrase 'in moderation'. I wouldn't recommend living on ready meals exclusively, but one or so a day isn't going to harm you.
No, but how untypical a day would it be to say have:
MacDonalds breakfast
Cereal bar
Microwavable lunch of description
Bag of crisps
For dinner Chicken and a pre-made jar of sauce. Maybe some coated (seasoned) frozen potatoes.
I think that's not an untypical kind of day for a lot of people - Most of those things are mass produced.
Although I sure the companies producing them use only the finest ingredients and to hell with the profit margins!
Can you honestly say you do not 'personally' know anyone that barely eats a bit of fruit or veg! I know loads.
This was the original statement in the quote string that started all of this:Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
You've gone from a discussion of clean eating vs. a wide diet with all foods in moderation to a discussion comparing clean eating vs. only packaged/fast food and almost no veggies. You're shifting the goal posts wildly.
Straw man argument.
How is my post straw man? I was answering the post about eating a wide diet in moderation was unhealtier than eating a 'clean diet'.
If a lot of the items on your wider diet (like SAD) are mass produced (multi-ingredient) and you eat each of them in moderation, a majority of your food is still mass produced!
why did you put mass produced next to multi-ingredient?????
mass produced and one ingredient
the incredible edible egg
http://www.uspoultry.org/economic_data/
I put multi ingredient next to mass produced so people didn't say stuff like - Yeah but what about eggs and apples - their healthy and mass produced.
Although I doubt anyone would be that obvious.
Maybe I've been around these forums too long. Although it is good to tussle with the trolls, from time to time! lol
*yawn* troll comment again.
Funny how everyone else is a troll, but I assume that you do not think you are.
I would recommend looking up the definition of troll.
Well I'm not the one hijacking a thread!
Who is and how are they doing so?
Seriously, have you seen the first page. There was only about legitimate (non hijacking) posts on the whole page!!!!
hijacks thread and then complains about the hijacking of same thread..lolz...
Sorry, you mean I hijacked your hijacking!
In case you didn't read the original OP:
I was just reading up on the Paleo diet haven't committed to anything yet still weighing my options. But reading it, it seems similar to eating clean, is it just a fancy name for the same thing? Has anyone had success using this diet
From the very first reply this thread was hijacked.
And subsequent posts after did not stay on track.
Very few (and certainly not for the FB) posts have addressed whether the diets are similar and non have addressed whether the diets are healthy, and only a minority in the number of post responses are from people who have tried either and are giving their feedback on them.
All that seems to have happened is its been hijacked by people sensitive to the fact both diets are named wrong (although that's just good marketing - someone has got very rich, high five to them) and that people eating clean are some how belittling every other fragile soul, who eats a ready meal or store bought bagel!
Why not stick to the OP's question. Oh that's right you haven't tried either of the diets so you are not really commenting from a position of experience (and I doubt good knowledge of them either).
I answered the OPs question ..she asked about paleo and clean eating, I said do neither and eat the foods that she likes and just maintain a deficit.
I am not the one that went off on a tangent about "bad' fats, what is "pretty much good", and what you think the majority of peoples diets are < all of which were not questions posed by the OP ..
trollers gonna troll..
I'm not saying didn't hijack your hijack!
I was addressing the question from a previous post asking why a clean diet was deemed healthier than a wider moderate diet - and those where my thoughts on it.
Also your answer to the OP doesn't make sense - they didn't ask which one should they choose!!!!!
Hijack much?
I did answer the question. I said neither is required for weight loss, thus, OP does not need to bother with either.
I am not the one spewing off in every direction and then when confronted about said nonsensical statements, provide no response and then complain about "hijacking"….
Again - no you didn't answer the question! You offered an unsolicited opinion - which as this is an open forum is your right!
What was the question regarding my nonsensical statement - I may have missed the question - ask again and I'll try an answer it! or offer an unsolicited statement - either seems to work with you dude!
the question was paleo vs clean eating ..
my answer is neither..
reading comprehension much duuuuuude?
It's not me with the reading comprehension!!!
I've copied and pasted it 'again' for you to read through slowly!
I was just reading up on the Paleo diet haven't committed to anything yet still weighing my options. But reading it, it seems similar to eating clean, is it just a fancy name for the same thing? Has anyone had success using this diet
The questions unless I am mistaken is: are Paleo and clean eat different names for the same thing? and has anyone had success using this diet?
Seems quite clear!
The question was not: which should I choose - because that would look something like this.
Paelo or clean eating, which should I choose?
I believe the title Paleo vs clean eating was the OP's need to know the comparison between the two (as was clear in the more detailed question above) - not sure the answer - 'neither' would have been that helpful!
yes, and my answer, for the third time, is neither, and she can eat what she wants, just less of it and lose weight.
OP asked nothing about the 20 other things you mentioned in this thread, but you don't care about that do you …
keep trollin, trollin, trollin….0 -
tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
Really?
I'm pretty sure its healthier to eat home prepared meals each day than mass produced microwavable ready meals!
I'm pretty sure If you did eat mass produced ready meals each day, your levels of inflammation and oxidation would be higher than if you ate home prepared food.
My reasoning behind this is you would definitely be eating increased amounts of Man made transfats, Interesterified Fats and polyunsaturated fats.
So prove it. 'Pretty sure' doesn't cut it.
Also note the phrase 'in moderation'. I wouldn't recommend living on ready meals exclusively, but one or so a day isn't going to harm you.
No, but how untypical a day would it be to say have:
MacDonalds breakfast
Cereal bar
Microwavable lunch of description
Bag of crisps
For dinner Chicken and a pre-made jar of sauce. Maybe some coated (seasoned) frozen potatoes.
I think that's not an untypical kind of day for a lot of people - Most of those things are mass produced.
Although I sure the companies producing them use only the finest ingredients and to hell with the profit margins!
Can you honestly say you do not 'personally' know anyone that barely eats a bit of fruit or veg! I know loads.
This was the original statement in the quote string that started all of this:Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
You've gone from a discussion of clean eating vs. a wide diet with all foods in moderation to a discussion comparing clean eating vs. only packaged/fast food and almost no veggies. You're shifting the goal posts wildly.
Straw man argument.
How is my post straw man? I was answering the post about eating a wide diet in moderation was unhealtier than eating a 'clean diet'.
If a lot of the items on your wider diet (like SAD) are mass produced (multi-ingredient) and you eat each of them in moderation, a majority of your food is still mass produced!
why did you put mass produced next to multi-ingredient?????
mass produced and one ingredient
the incredible edible egg
http://www.uspoultry.org/economic_data/
I put multi ingredient next to mass produced so people didn't say stuff like - Yeah but what about eggs and apples - their healthy and mass produced.
Although I doubt anyone would be that obvious.
Maybe I've been around these forums too long. Although it is good to tussle with the trolls, from time to time! lol
*yawn* troll comment again.
Funny how everyone else is a troll, but I assume that you do not think you are.
I would recommend looking up the definition of troll.
Well I'm not the one hijacking a thread!
Who is and how are they doing so?
Seriously, have you seen the first page. There was only about legitimate (non hijacking) posts on the whole page!!!!
hijacks thread and then complains about the hijacking of same thread..lolz...
Sorry, you mean I hijacked your hijacking!
In case you didn't read the original OP:
I was just reading up on the Paleo diet haven't committed to anything yet still weighing my options. But reading it, it seems similar to eating clean, is it just a fancy name for the same thing? Has anyone had success using this diet
From the very first reply this thread was hijacked.
And subsequent posts after did not stay on track.
Very few (and certainly not for the FB) posts have addressed whether the diets are similar and non have addressed whether the diets are healthy, and only a minority in the number of post responses are from people who have tried either and are giving their feedback on them.
All that seems to have happened is its been hijacked by people sensitive to the fact both diets are named wrong (although that's just good marketing - someone has got very rich, high five to them) and that people eating clean are some how belittling every other fragile soul, who eats a ready meal or store bought bagel!
Why not stick to the OP's question. Oh that's right you haven't tried either of the diets so you are not really commenting from a position of experience (and I doubt good knowledge of them either).
I answered the OPs question ..she asked about paleo and clean eating, I said do neither and eat the foods that she likes and just maintain a deficit.
I am not the one that went off on a tangent about "bad' fats, what is "pretty much good", and what you think the majority of peoples diets are < all of which were not questions posed by the OP ..
trollers gonna troll..
I'm not saying didn't hijack your hijack!
I was addressing the question from a previous post asking why a clean diet was deemed healthier than a wider moderate diet - and those where my thoughts on it.
Also your answer to the OP doesn't make sense - they didn't ask which one should they choose!!!!!
Hijack much?
I did answer the question. I said neither is required for weight loss, thus, OP does not need to bother with either.
I am not the one spewing off in every direction and then when confronted about said nonsensical statements, provide no response and then complain about "hijacking"….
Again - no you didn't answer the question! You offered an unsolicited opinion - which as this is an open forum is your right!
What was the question regarding my nonsensical statement - I may have missed the question - ask again and I'll try an answer it! or offer an unsolicited statement - either seems to work with you dude!
the question was paleo vs clean eating ..
my answer is neither..
reading comprehension much duuuuuude?
It's not me with the reading comprehension!!!
I've copied and pasted it 'again' for you to read through slowly!
I was just reading up on the Paleo diet haven't committed to anything yet still weighing my options. But reading it, it seems similar to eating clean, is it just a fancy name for the same thing? Has anyone had success using this diet
The questions unless I am mistaken is: are Paleo and clean eat different names for the same thing? and has anyone had success using this diet?
Seems quite clear!
The question was not: which should I choose - because that would look something like this.
Paelo or clean eating, which should I choose?
I believe the title Paleo vs clean eating was the OP's need to know the comparison between the two (as was clear in the more detailed question above) - not sure the answer - 'neither' would have been that helpful!
yes, and my answer, for the third time, is neither, and she can eat what she wants, just less of it and lose weight.
OP asked nothing about the 20 other things you mentioned in this thread, but you don't care about that do you …
keep trollin, trollin, trollin….
No but other people did and I was responding to them. Also I didn't start my answer by referring to the OP and saying - my favourite colour's blue!
I don't think I am the one trollin a Paleo, clean eating thread! Maybe I'm just trollin the trolls!0 -
tennisdude2004 wrote: »
It's not me with the reading comprehension!!!
I've copied and pasted it 'again' for you to read through slowly!
I was just reading up on the Paleo diet haven't committed to anything yet still weighing my options. But reading it, it seems similar to eating clean, is it just a fancy name for the same thing? Has anyone had success using this diet
The questions unless I am mistaken is: are Paleo and clean eat different names for the same thing? and has anyone had success using this diet?
Seems quite clear!
The question was not: which should I choose - because that would look something like this.
Paelo or clean eating, which should I choose?
I believe the title Paleo vs clean eating was the OP's need to know the comparison between the two (as was clear in the more detailed question above) - not sure the answer - 'neither' would have been that helpful!
yes, and my answer, for the third time, is neither, and she can eat what she wants, just less of it and lose weight.
OP asked nothing about the 20 other things you mentioned in this thread, but you don't care about that do you …
keep trollin, trollin, trollin….
(I hope I got the quote nests correct...)
Lemme summarize from another point of view, that of the high school English essay question:
OP: "Compare and contrast Paleo and "Clean Eating." Are they similar? Different? Please discuss."
ndj1979: "The answer is C) None of the above."
Do you see where this might cause some confusion?
[edit]
Also, were I the English teacher in question, I would not give that answer a passing grade. Just fyi.0 -
rprussell2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »
It's not me with the reading comprehension!!!
I've copied and pasted it 'again' for you to read through slowly!
I was just reading up on the Paleo diet haven't committed to anything yet still weighing my options. But reading it, it seems similar to eating clean, is it just a fancy name for the same thing? Has anyone had success using this diet
The questions unless I am mistaken is: are Paleo and clean eat different names for the same thing? and has anyone had success using this diet?
Seems quite clear!
The question was not: which should I choose - because that would look something like this.
Paelo or clean eating, which should I choose?
I believe the title Paleo vs clean eating was the OP's need to know the comparison between the two (as was clear in the more detailed question above) - not sure the answer - 'neither' would have been that helpful!
yes, and my answer, for the third time, is neither, and she can eat what she wants, just less of it and lose weight.
OP asked nothing about the 20 other things you mentioned in this thread, but you don't care about that do you …
keep trollin, trollin, trollin….
(I hope I got the quote nests correct...)
Lemme summarize from another point of view, that of the high school english essay question:
OP: "Compare and contrast Paleo and "Clean Eating." Are they similar? Different? Please discuss."
ndj1979: "The answer is C) None of the above."
Do you see where this might cause some confusion?
i don't see how a clear answer of "neither' is confusing…seems pretty straight forward to me…
Go back and read the dude mans posts and see if any of those make sense and/or are related to OP's original question .
or are you just white knighting?0 -
rprussell2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »
It's not me with the reading comprehension!!!
I've copied and pasted it 'again' for you to read through slowly!
I was just reading up on the Paleo diet haven't committed to anything yet still weighing my options. But reading it, it seems similar to eating clean, is it just a fancy name for the same thing? Has anyone had success using this diet
The questions unless I am mistaken is: are Paleo and clean eat different names for the same thing? and has anyone had success using this diet?
Seems quite clear!
The question was not: which should I choose - because that would look something like this.
Paelo or clean eating, which should I choose?
I believe the title Paleo vs clean eating was the OP's need to know the comparison between the two (as was clear in the more detailed question above) - not sure the answer - 'neither' would have been that helpful!
yes, and my answer, for the third time, is neither, and she can eat what she wants, just less of it and lose weight.
OP asked nothing about the 20 other things you mentioned in this thread, but you don't care about that do you …
keep trollin, trollin, trollin….
(I hope I got the quote nests correct...)
Lemme summarize from another point of view, that of the high school english essay question:
OP: "Compare and contrast Paleo and "Clean Eating." Are they similar? Different? Please discuss."
ndj1979: "The answer is C) None of the above."
Do you see where this might cause some confusion?
i don't see how a clear answer of "neither' is confusing…seems pretty straight forward to me…
Go back and read the dude mans posts and see if any of those make sense and/or are related to OP's original question .
or are you just white knighting?
I didn't claim I was answering the OP's questions directly - you did.
Your answer of 'neither' isn't confusing, if it were matched to a different question!
The question being:
'Am I answering the OP's question about the similarities between Paleo and Clean Eating or am I answering the OP's question about do I have any success stories'?
Answer:
Neither!
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tennisdude2004 wrote: »rprussell2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »
It's not me with the reading comprehension!!!
I've copied and pasted it 'again' for you to read through slowly!
I was just reading up on the Paleo diet haven't committed to anything yet still weighing my options. But reading it, it seems similar to eating clean, is it just a fancy name for the same thing? Has anyone had success using this diet
The questions unless I am mistaken is: are Paleo and clean eat different names for the same thing? and has anyone had success using this diet?
Seems quite clear!
The question was not: which should I choose - because that would look something like this.
Paelo or clean eating, which should I choose?
I believe the title Paleo vs clean eating was the OP's need to know the comparison between the two (as was clear in the more detailed question above) - not sure the answer - 'neither' would have been that helpful!
yes, and my answer, for the third time, is neither, and she can eat what she wants, just less of it and lose weight.
OP asked nothing about the 20 other things you mentioned in this thread, but you don't care about that do you …
keep trollin, trollin, trollin….
(I hope I got the quote nests correct...)
Lemme summarize from another point of view, that of the high school english essay question:
OP: "Compare and contrast Paleo and "Clean Eating." Are they similar? Different? Please discuss."
ndj1979: "The answer is C) None of the above."
Do you see where this might cause some confusion?
i don't see how a clear answer of "neither' is confusing…seems pretty straight forward to me…
Go back and read the dude mans posts and see if any of those make sense and/or are related to OP's original question .
or are you just white knighting?
I didn't claim I was answering the OP's questions directly - you did.
Your answer of 'neither' isn't confusing, if it were matched to a different question!
The question being:
'Am I answering the OP's question about the similarities between Paleo and Clean Eating or am I answering the OP's question about do I have any success stories'?
Answer:
Neither!
You really like to argue for the sake of arguing don't you?
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rprussell2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »
It's not me with the reading comprehension!!!
I've copied and pasted it 'again' for you to read through slowly!
I was just reading up on the Paleo diet haven't committed to anything yet still weighing my options. But reading it, it seems similar to eating clean, is it just a fancy name for the same thing? Has anyone had success using this diet
The questions unless I am mistaken is: are Paleo and clean eat different names for the same thing? and has anyone had success using this diet?
Seems quite clear!
The question was not: which should I choose - because that would look something like this.
Paelo or clean eating, which should I choose?
I believe the title Paleo vs clean eating was the OP's need to know the comparison between the two (as was clear in the more detailed question above) - not sure the answer - 'neither' would have been that helpful!
yes, and my answer, for the third time, is neither, and she can eat what she wants, just less of it and lose weight.
OP asked nothing about the 20 other things you mentioned in this thread, but you don't care about that do you …
keep trollin, trollin, trollin….
(I hope I got the quote nests correct...)
Lemme summarize from another point of view, that of the high school english essay question:
OP: "Compare and contrast Paleo and "Clean Eating." Are they similar? Different? Please discuss."
ndj1979: "The answer is C) None of the above."
Do you see where this might cause some confusion?
i don't see how a clear answer of "neither' is confusing…seems pretty straight forward to me…
Go back and read the dude mans posts and see if any of those make sense and/or are related to OP's original question .
or are you just white knighting?
What's "white knighting?"
The first couple pages after he chimed in (it seems like) he was trying to address what "clean" meant - which I think EVERYONE has a different opinion about - specifically fats, manmade, transfats, polyunsaturated, yadda yadda... And about page four I stopped.
Because I see HIS point, and I agree with it which is (or again, seems to be) that there certainly ARE things you can eat, which companies freely put in foods, which will cause demonstrable harm. (NO I'm not finding a goddamn source for that. CF "Arsenic is all natural and will kill you." They're OUT there. I'm treating it as a given.)
And I see YOUR point, which seems to basically be IIFYM and don't sweat the small stuff if you're losing weight anyway.
MY POINT IS the OP asked for a discussion between two things, and your response is to disregard both of them. Fine, that's your opinion, whatever, but it is certainly not an answer to the original request.
As far as my last post, what I'm saying is you can't respond to an essay question with a multiple choice answer.
You guys are arguing apples and oranges.
And I don't know how to make it clearer than this, so whatever.0 -
rprussell2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »
It's not me with the reading comprehension!!!
I've copied and pasted it 'again' for you to read through slowly!
I was just reading up on the Paleo diet haven't committed to anything yet still weighing my options. But reading it, it seems similar to eating clean, is it just a fancy name for the same thing? Has anyone had success using this diet
The questions unless I am mistaken is: are Paleo and clean eat different names for the same thing? and has anyone had success using this diet?
Seems quite clear!
The question was not: which should I choose - because that would look something like this.
Paelo or clean eating, which should I choose?
I believe the title Paleo vs clean eating was the OP's need to know the comparison between the two (as was clear in the more detailed question above) - not sure the answer - 'neither' would have been that helpful!
yes, and my answer, for the third time, is neither, and she can eat what she wants, just less of it and lose weight.
OP asked nothing about the 20 other things you mentioned in this thread, but you don't care about that do you …
keep trollin, trollin, trollin….
(I hope I got the quote nests correct...)
Lemme summarize from another point of view, that of the high school English essay question:
OP: "Compare and contrast Paleo and "Clean Eating." Are they similar? Different? Please discuss."
ndj1979: "The answer is C) None of the above."
Do you see where this might cause some confusion?
[edit]
Also, were I the English teacher in question, I would not give that answer a passing grade. Just fyi.
You missed the part where the OP asked if people had success with either of those ways of eating. While the OP never came back to clarify her goals, if he inferred that her goal was weight loss, then saying "neither" is a perfectly acceptable response, as her weight loss success would be determined by a calorie deficit, not the style of eating.0 -
tennisdude2004 wrote: »rprussell2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »
It's not me with the reading comprehension!!!
I've copied and pasted it 'again' for you to read through slowly!
I was just reading up on the Paleo diet haven't committed to anything yet still weighing my options. But reading it, it seems similar to eating clean, is it just a fancy name for the same thing? Has anyone had success using this diet
The questions unless I am mistaken is: are Paleo and clean eat different names for the same thing? and has anyone had success using this diet?
Seems quite clear!
The question was not: which should I choose - because that would look something like this.
Paelo or clean eating, which should I choose?
I believe the title Paleo vs clean eating was the OP's need to know the comparison between the two (as was clear in the more detailed question above) - not sure the answer - 'neither' would have been that helpful!
yes, and my answer, for the third time, is neither, and she can eat what she wants, just less of it and lose weight.
OP asked nothing about the 20 other things you mentioned in this thread, but you don't care about that do you …
keep trollin, trollin, trollin….
(I hope I got the quote nests correct...)
Lemme summarize from another point of view, that of the high school english essay question:
OP: "Compare and contrast Paleo and "Clean Eating." Are they similar? Different? Please discuss."
ndj1979: "The answer is C) None of the above."
Do you see where this might cause some confusion?
i don't see how a clear answer of "neither' is confusing…seems pretty straight forward to me…
Go back and read the dude mans posts and see if any of those make sense and/or are related to OP's original question .
or are you just white knighting?
I didn't claim I was answering the OP's questions directly - you did.
Your answer of 'neither' isn't confusing, if it were matched to a different question!
The question being:
'Am I answering the OP's question about the similarities between Paleo and Clean Eating or am I answering the OP's question about do I have any success stories'?
Answer:
Neither!
You really like to argue for the sake of arguing don't you?
I think that's why we get on so well - we have so much in common!
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rprussell2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »
It's not me with the reading comprehension!!!
I've copied and pasted it 'again' for you to read through slowly!
I was just reading up on the Paleo diet haven't committed to anything yet still weighing my options. But reading it, it seems similar to eating clean, is it just a fancy name for the same thing? Has anyone had success using this diet
The questions unless I am mistaken is: are Paleo and clean eat different names for the same thing? and has anyone had success using this diet?
Seems quite clear!
The question was not: which should I choose - because that would look something like this.
Paelo or clean eating, which should I choose?
I believe the title Paleo vs clean eating was the OP's need to know the comparison between the two (as was clear in the more detailed question above) - not sure the answer - 'neither' would have been that helpful!
yes, and my answer, for the third time, is neither, and she can eat what she wants, just less of it and lose weight.
OP asked nothing about the 20 other things you mentioned in this thread, but you don't care about that do you …
keep trollin, trollin, trollin….
(I hope I got the quote nests correct...)
Lemme summarize from another point of view, that of the high school English essay question:
OP: "Compare and contrast Paleo and "Clean Eating." Are they similar? Different? Please discuss."
ndj1979: "The answer is C) None of the above."
Do you see where this might cause some confusion?
[edit]
Also, were I the English teacher in question, I would not give that answer a passing grade. Just fyi.
You missed the part where the OP asked if people had success with either of those ways of eating. While the OP never came back to clarify her goals, if he inferred that her goal was weight loss, then saying "neither" is a perfectly acceptable response, as her weight loss success would be determined by a calorie deficit, not the style of eating.
Man. They should really require some basic logic courses before allowing people on the internet.
I did not miss that part. And, had he maybe couched his answer in that, rather than jumping in with "THEY BOTH SUCK JUST EAT FOOD" then I doubt very much we'd be at this point.
But changing the question in your head based on inferences so that you can answer what you want to, is not the same as addressing the original question.
(Wait, dang it, I said I was done here...)
[edit]
I am - literally and seriously - holding my head in my hands and rubbing my temples. Having just gotten schooled after posting a LCHF/cancer link and coming out wiser but sadder, it truly pisses me off that there are people who can't just say, "Oh, dang, I guess I misunderstood. My bad." and move on!0 -
rprussell2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »
It's not me with the reading comprehension!!!
I've copied and pasted it 'again' for you to read through slowly!
I was just reading up on the Paleo diet haven't committed to anything yet still weighing my options. But reading it, it seems similar to eating clean, is it just a fancy name for the same thing? Has anyone had success using this diet
The questions unless I am mistaken is: are Paleo and clean eat different names for the same thing? and has anyone had success using this diet?
Seems quite clear!
The question was not: which should I choose - because that would look something like this.
Paelo or clean eating, which should I choose?
I believe the title Paleo vs clean eating was the OP's need to know the comparison between the two (as was clear in the more detailed question above) - not sure the answer - 'neither' would have been that helpful!
yes, and my answer, for the third time, is neither, and she can eat what she wants, just less of it and lose weight.
OP asked nothing about the 20 other things you mentioned in this thread, but you don't care about that do you …
keep trollin, trollin, trollin….
(I hope I got the quote nests correct...)
Lemme summarize from another point of view, that of the high school English essay question:
OP: "Compare and contrast Paleo and "Clean Eating." Are they similar? Different? Please discuss."
ndj1979: "The answer is C) None of the above."
Do you see where this might cause some confusion?
[edit]
Also, were I the English teacher in question, I would not give that answer a passing grade. Just fyi.
You missed the part where the OP asked if people had success with either of those ways of eating. While the OP never came back to clarify her goals, if he inferred that her goal was weight loss, then saying "neither" is a perfectly acceptable response, as her weight loss success would be determined by a calorie deficit, not the style of eating.
Sorry I just dribble some coffee out of my nose with that one!
Why not just say.......ah yeah wrong answer - People are allowed to wrong from time to time.
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rprussell2004 wrote:there are people who can't just say, "Oh, dang, I guess I misunderstood. My bad." and move on!tennisdude2004 wrote: »Why not just say.......ah yeah wrong answer - People are allowed to wrong from time to time.
HAH! Great minds think alike
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rprussell2004 wrote: »rprussell2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »
It's not me with the reading comprehension!!!
I've copied and pasted it 'again' for you to read through slowly!
I was just reading up on the Paleo diet haven't committed to anything yet still weighing my options. But reading it, it seems similar to eating clean, is it just a fancy name for the same thing? Has anyone had success using this diet
The questions unless I am mistaken is: are Paleo and clean eat different names for the same thing? and has anyone had success using this diet?
Seems quite clear!
The question was not: which should I choose - because that would look something like this.
Paelo or clean eating, which should I choose?
I believe the title Paleo vs clean eating was the OP's need to know the comparison between the two (as was clear in the more detailed question above) - not sure the answer - 'neither' would have been that helpful!
yes, and my answer, for the third time, is neither, and she can eat what she wants, just less of it and lose weight.
OP asked nothing about the 20 other things you mentioned in this thread, but you don't care about that do you …
keep trollin, trollin, trollin….
(I hope I got the quote nests correct...)
Lemme summarize from another point of view, that of the high school English essay question:
OP: "Compare and contrast Paleo and "Clean Eating." Are they similar? Different? Please discuss."
ndj1979: "The answer is C) None of the above."
Do you see where this might cause some confusion?
[edit]
Also, were I the English teacher in question, I would not give that answer a passing grade. Just fyi.
You missed the part where the OP asked if people had success with either of those ways of eating. While the OP never came back to clarify her goals, if he inferred that her goal was weight loss, then saying "neither" is a perfectly acceptable response, as her weight loss success would be determined by a calorie deficit, not the style of eating.
Man. They should really require some basic logic courses before allowing people on the internet.
I did not miss that part. And, had he maybe couched his answer in that, rather than jumping in with "THEY BOTH SUCK JUST EAT FOOD" then I doubt very much we'd be at this point.
But changing the question in your head based on inferences so that you can answer what you want to, is not the same as addressing the original question.
(Wait, dang it, I said I was done here...)
No one changed the question in their head. You're just assuming that your interpretation of the question is correct and other people's interpretations are wrong, when the initial question does not provide enough information as to what the OP is looking for. This is why it was asked by several people, myself included, what the OP meant.
Here's the OP again:I was just reading up on the Paleo diet haven't committed to anything yet still weighing my options. But reading it, it seems similar to eating clean, is it just a fancy name for the same thing? Has anyone had success using this diet
So let's look at what she tells us:
1. She's read about paleo, hasn't decided to eat paleo but is weighing her options. We have no idea why she is researching different diets or what she is hoping to achieve with a particular eating style.
2. She doesn't know if it's the same as eating clean. We have no idea how she defines clean eating and what restrictions she believes there are in a clean diet.
3. She wants to know if anyone has had success. We have no idea if she is asking in terms of weight loss or gain, improvements in health issues, adding more whole foods to her diet - we don't know what her goals are.
The OP's question is not worded in a way that clarifies what information she's looking for. You can mock people all you want, but the post is unclear, and I'm saying that from the perspective of someone who has actually studied how to develop questions for research and evaluation at the graduate level.
You can go back to fighting amongst yourselves about whatever it is you're fighting about now.0 -
tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
Really?
I'm pretty sure its healthier to eat home prepared meals each day than mass produced microwavable ready meals!
I'm pretty sure If you did eat mass produced ready meals each day, your levels of inflammation and oxidation would be higher than if you ate home prepared food.
My reasoning behind this is you would definitely be eating increased amounts of Man made transfats, Interesterified Fats and polyunsaturated fats.
So prove it. 'Pretty sure' doesn't cut it.
Also note the phrase 'in moderation'. I wouldn't recommend living on ready meals exclusively, but one or so a day isn't going to harm you.
No, but how untypical a day would it be to say have:
MacDonalds breakfast
Cereal bar
Microwavable lunch of description
Bag of crisps
For dinner Chicken and a pre-made jar of sauce. Maybe some coated (seasoned) frozen potatoes.
I think that's not an untypical kind of day for a lot of people - Most of those things are mass produced.
Although I sure the companies producing them use only the finest ingredients and to hell with the profit margins!
Can you honestly say you do not 'personally' know anyone that barely eats a bit of fruit or veg! I know loads.
This was the original statement in the quote string that started all of this:Unless you have a defined medical condition, like Crohn's or epilepsy or IBS (to a degree) or a very few other conditions, eating clean is meaningless and has no discernable fat loss or health benefits over a wider diet where foods are consumed in moderation.
You've gone from a discussion of clean eating vs. a wide diet with all foods in moderation to a discussion comparing clean eating vs. only packaged/fast food and almost no veggies. You're shifting the goal posts wildly.
Straw man argument.
How is my post straw man? I was answering the post about eating a wide diet in moderation was unhealtier than eating a 'clean diet'.
If a lot of the items on your wider diet (like SAD) are mass produced (multi-ingredient) and you eat each of them in moderation, a majority of your food is still mass produced!
why did you put mass produced next to multi-ingredient?????
mass produced and one ingredient
the incredible edible egg
http://www.uspoultry.org/economic_data/
I put multi ingredient next to mass produced so people didn't say stuff like - Yeah but what about eggs and apples - their healthy and mass produced.
Although I doubt anyone would be that obvious.
Maybe I've been around these forums too long. Although it is good to tussle with the trolls, from time to time! lol
*yawn* troll comment again.
Funny how everyone else is a troll, but I assume that you do not think you are.
I would recommend looking up the definition of troll.
Well I'm not the one hijacking a thread!
Who is and how are they doing so?
Seriously, have you seen the first page. There was only about legitimate (non hijacking) posts on the whole page!!!!
hijacks thread and then complains about the hijacking of same thread..lolz...
Sorry, you mean I hijacked your hijacking!
In case you didn't read the original OP:
I was just reading up on the Paleo diet haven't committed to anything yet still weighing my options. But reading it, it seems similar to eating clean, is it just a fancy name for the same thing? Has anyone had success using this diet
From the very first reply this thread was hijacked.
And subsequent posts after did not stay on track.
Very few (and certainly not for the FB) posts have addressed whether the diets are similar and non have addressed whether the diets are healthy, and only a minority in the number of post responses are from people who have tried either and are giving their feedback on them.
All that seems to have happened is its been hijacked by people sensitive to the fact both diets are named wrong (although that's just good marketing - someone has got very rich, high five to them) and that people eating clean are some how belittling every other fragile soul, who eats a ready meal or store bought bagel!
Why not stick to the OP's question. Oh that's right you haven't tried either of the diets so you are not really commenting from a position of experience (and I doubt good knowledge of them either).
I answered the OPs question ..she asked about paleo and clean eating, I said do neither and eat the foods that she likes and just maintain a deficit.
I am not the one that went off on a tangent about "bad' fats, what is "pretty much good", and what you think the majority of peoples diets are < all of which were not questions posed by the OP ..
trollers gonna troll..
I'm not saying didn't hijack your hijack!
I was addressing the question from a previous post asking why a clean diet was deemed healthier than a wider moderate diet - and those where my thoughts on it.
Also your answer to the OP doesn't make sense - they didn't ask which one should they choose!!!!!
Hijack much?
I did answer the question. I said neither is required for weight loss, thus, OP does not need to bother with either.
I am not the one spewing off in every direction and then when confronted about said nonsensical statements, provide no response and then complain about "hijacking"….
Again - no you didn't answer the question! You offered an unsolicited opinion - which as this is an open forum is your right!
What was the question regarding my nonsensical statement - I may have missed the question - ask again and I'll try an answer it! or offer an unsolicited statement - either seems to work with you dude!
the question was paleo vs clean eating ..
my answer is neither..
reading comprehension much duuuuuude?
It's not me with the reading comprehension!!!
I've copied and pasted it 'again' for you to read through slowly!
I was just reading up on the Paleo diet haven't committed to anything yet still weighing my options. But reading it, it seems similar to eating clean, is it just a fancy name for the same thing? Has anyone had success using this diet
The questions unless I am mistaken is: are Paleo and clean eat different names for the same thing? and has anyone had success using this diet?
Seems quite clear!
The question was not: which should I choose - because that would look something like this.
Paelo or clean eating, which should I choose?
I believe the title Paleo vs clean eating was the OP's need to know the comparison between the two (as was clear in the more detailed question above) - not sure the answer - 'neither' would have been that helpful!
yes, and my answer, for the third time, is neither, and she can eat what she wants, just less of it and lose weight.
OP asked nothing about the 20 other things you mentioned in this thread, but you don't care about that do you …
keep trollin, trollin, trollin….
No but other people did and I was responding to them. Also I didn't start my answer by referring to the OP and saying - my favourite colour's blue!
I don't think I am the one trollin a Paleo, clean eating thread! Maybe I'm just trollin the trolls!
Please stop trolling the community. This is a nice place, we don't need that here.0
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