Guide to making claims based on experience
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WalkingAlong wrote: »Well, the big difference between making a "claim" from experience and making a claim from research is that when you say "in my experience," you basically don't need to support your own experience. You are sharing your anecdotal experience.
But when someone says "research shows" then.... they need to back that up.
Well, they really don't. You can request they spoon-feed you the info but if someone tells you the titles of five books they read it in, I think the doubter has some responsibility to pursue further reading if interested. And in the meantime, the person who has not researched hasn't really earned the authority to declare the claims are 'false since not proven within this thread with links'.
This isn't a courtroom with burden of proof and there is no right or wrong answer to 'does fasting have health benefits'. Like anything, there is evidence for and against, and it's up to each of us to seek out that evidence and make our own decision.
LOL, I think you just need to stop, seriously ….0 -
It is also very important to realize that there are parameters set up for every study and research opportunity that may not be present in the majority of people's lives. Nature itself can prove rather difficult to work with outside of controlled parameters as is what happens when you look at the world's population. Something may look good on paper but has not actual value in practice. I am not saying research is a bad thing, just needs to be taken with consideration it is not the whole picture or will be the same for everyone.0
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WalkingAlong wrote: »Well, the big difference between making a "claim" from experience and making a claim from research is that when you say "in my experience," you basically don't need to support your own experience. You are sharing your anecdotal experience.
But when someone says "research shows" then.... they need to back that up.
Well, they really don't. You can request they spoon-feed you the info but if someone tells you the titles of five books they read it in, I think the doubter has some responsibility to pursue further reading if interested. And in the meantime, the person who has not researched hasn't really earned the authority to declare the claims are 'false since not proven within this thread with links'.
This isn't a courtroom with burden of proof and there is no right or wrong answer to 'does fasting have health benefits'. Like anything, there is evidence for and against, and it's up to each of us to seek out that evidence and make our own decision.
LOL, I think you just need to stop, seriously ….
Ikr. As a researcher/professor I feel that WA should know better. if you want to say that "research shows that eating chocolate gives you brain cancer" then go ahead, just provide the research. And if you are aware of contradictory research ,then you should also share it.
So if it's my responsibility to look for further reading, does that also mean that when I write my papers I can just say "yeah so prof, google it"? Different setting, yes, but in both situations I am making a claim based on research and it literally takes a few minutes to find the specific evidence that I am making my claim on. You don't even need to do anything toher than post the link, others can read it and look through its validity and generalizability and methods etc for themselves.-1 -
Well of course it's not "the whole picture." All research speaks of generalizations. Pretty sure everyone can think of that ONE person who defies the findings of a study, e.g. in cross cultural research there is a buttload of evidence that interdependent (i.e. east asian) and independent (i.e north america) cultures view things differently, such that EA are likely to refer to the entire context whereas NA focus on the central object. But of course, you can find that one Canadian who views things like a Chinese person does, or a Chinese person who has more independent methods of viewing the world. But in general, most people from these cultures will wind up demonstrating the findings.Etherlily1 wrote: »It is also very important to realize that there are parameters set up for every study and research opportunity that may not be present in the majority of people's lives. Nature itself can prove rather difficult to work with outside of controlled parameters as is what happens when you look at the world's population. Something may look good on paper but has not actual value in practice. I am not saying research is a bad thing, just needs to be taken with consideration it is not the whole picture or will be the same for everyone.
*Nisbett, R. E., & Masuda, T. (2003). Culture and point of view. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America, 100, 11163-11175.
2. *Masuda, T. & Nisbett, R. E. (2001). Attending holistically vs. analytically: Comparing the context sensitivity of Japanese and Americans. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 81, 922-934.
3. 2. *Chua, H. F., Boland, J. E., & Nisbett, R. E. (2005). Cultural Variation in eye-movements during scene perception. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America, 102, 12629-12633.
*Masuda, T., Russell, M. J., Chen, Y. Y., Hioki, K., Caplan, J. B. (2014). N400 incongruity effect in an episodic memory task reveals different strategies for handling irrelevant contextual information for Japanese than European Canadians. Cognitive Neuroscience, 5, 15-25.
*Masuda, T., Wang, H., Ishii, K., & Ito, K. (2012). Do surrounding figures’ emotions affect the judgment of target figure’s emotion?: Comparing the patterns of eye-movement between European-Canadians, Asian-Canadians, Asian International Students, and Japanese. Frontier in Integrative Neuroscience, 6:72. doi: 10.3389/fnint.2012.00072.
*Imada, T., Carlson, S. M., & Itakura, S. (2013). East-West cultural differences in context-sensitivity are evident in early childhood. Developmental Science, 16, 198-208.
(the papers btw are all pretty interesting, I have been reading them for my cultural psychology methods class)
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longtimeterp wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »I think that science and anecdote can both have a place on these boards. The problem becomes when people confuse one for the other.
yes, or use flawed personal experience as evidence…
Like " i cut all sugar and lost weight; hence, sugar is bad for me and made me gain weight"…no, because you can eat sugar and lose weight …
*shrugs*
if someone experiences something personally, how can it be flawed for them?
Really? For ages I always drove a blue truck and was overweight, but when I got a new white one I had no problem losing weight. True story.
Conclusion, blue vehicles are worse for weight loss.0 -
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longtimeterp wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »I think that science and anecdote can both have a place on these boards. The problem becomes when people confuse one for the other.
yes, or use flawed personal experience as evidence…
Like " i cut all sugar and lost weight; hence, sugar is bad for me and made me gain weight"…no, because you can eat sugar and lose weight …
*shrugs*
if someone experiences something personally, how can it be flawed for them?
Really? For ages I always drove a blue truck and was overweight, but when I got a new white one I had no problem losing weight. True story.
Conclusion, blue vehicles are worse for weight loss.
Hmmm...i don't think i've ever owned a blue vehicle, and i've lost weight too..,And i've never owned a white one so i can't comment to their benefits with weight loss...but i have lost weight when i've owned red and black ones, which further supports your claim...
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Capt_Apollo wrote: »christinev297 wrote: »My eyes glaze over when I get a scientific research link shoved at me.
I'm much more interested in hearing from real life people with real life experiences
it's attitudes like that that make parents not vaccinate their children and listen to Jenny McCarthy instead.
but, but, thimerosal and mercury!
Funny thing that Jenny McCarthy, she found it was hurting her brand, and she stepped away from the anti-vaxxing message.0 -
WalkingAlong wrote: »Well, the big difference between making a "claim" from experience and making a claim from research is that when you say "in my experience," you basically don't need to support your own experience. You are sharing your anecdotal experience.
But when someone says "research shows" then.... they need to back that up.
Well, they really don't. You can request they spoon-feed you the info but if someone tells you the titles of five books they read it in, I think the doubter has some responsibility to pursue further reading if interested. And in the meantime, the person who has not researched hasn't really earned the authority to declare the claims are 'false since not proven within this thread with links'.
This isn't a courtroom with burden of proof and there is no right or wrong answer to 'does fasting have health benefits'. Like anything, there is evidence for and against, and it's up to each of us to seek out that evidence and make our own decision.
You two should just break up.
At the end of the day, support or be ignored.0 -
I'm going to follow that advice. The ignore function is gone but I'm going to do my best to bite my tongue.
Though it's going to be hard to not ask some here to cite their sources for the next month.0 -
and herr löffel, when they do fail, they're just walking along with a longtimeterp...
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*Nisbett, R. E., & Masuda, T. (2003). Culture and point of view. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America, 100, 11163-11175.
2. *Masuda, T. & Nisbett, R. E. (2001). Attending holistically vs. analytically: Comparing the context sensitivity of Japanese and Americans. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 81, 922-934.
3. 2. *Chua, H. F., Boland, J. E., & Nisbett, R. E. (2005). Cultural Variation in eye-movements during scene perception. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America, 102, 12629-12633.
*Masuda, T., Russell, M. J., Chen, Y. Y., Hioki, K., Caplan, J. B. (2014). N400 incongruity effect in an episodic memory task reveals different strategies for handling irrelevant contextual information for Japanese than European Canadians. Cognitive Neuroscience, 5, 15-25.
*Masuda, T., Wang, H., Ishii, K., & Ito, K. (2012). Do surrounding figures’ emotions affect the judgment of target figure’s emotion?: Comparing the patterns of eye-movement between European-Canadians, Asian-Canadians, Asian International Students, and Japanese. Frontier in Integrative Neuroscience, 6:72. doi: 10.3389/fnint.2012.00072.
*Imada, T., Carlson, S. M., & Itakura, S. (2013). East-West cultural differences in context-sensitivity are evident in early childhood. Developmental Science, 16, 198-208.
(the papers btw are all pretty interesting, I have been reading them for my cultural psychology methods class)
The gym is really pretty interesting, i've been lifting to benefit my fitness. And i've learned a lot more about diet, exercise, and a healthy lifestyle by DOING rather than reading about it. I feel the benefits of barbell lifting and arc training far outweigh the gains of page turning, especially for anything this site is concerned with.0 -
Wronkletoad wrote: »and herr löffel, when they do fail, they're just walking along with a longtimeterp...
No, they are probably exercising and trying to find out what works best for them with help and advice from people who have been through similar experiences and can provide potentially very useful advice!0 -
herrspoons wrote: »There are two kinds of people in this world: Ones who take the time to understand how things work, and people who fail.
Please cite your source. heh hehlongtimeterp wrote: »
No, they are probably exercising and trying to find out what works best for them with help and advice from people who have been through similar experiences and can provide potentially very useful advice!
I'm with you terp.
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and dr oz and oprah and food babe are all thankful for your beliefs too. Herballife. HCG folks.
exactly why "evolution" and "legitimate rape" are actual political discussions in the US...
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OP - you missed the age qualification. No-one under the age of 54(*) is allowed to make any claims based on experience.Guide to making claims based on experience
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DeirdreWoodwardSanders wrote: »heh heh.longtimeterp wrote: »if we all knew the secret none of us would be on this site.
I think this is a great point. A lot OPs are asking for help losing weight, and a lot of people are responding calorie in < energy out, but the OP is really asking how did you deal with 1. cravings 2. eating out 3. emotional eating 4. grazing after dinner 5. fitting low-cal meals into a busy lifestyle 6. changing a lifestyle to one more healthy 7. weird issues that are popping up 8. exercise 9. understanding body mass and total energy expenditures 10. etc etc etc.
then they need to ask THOSE the questions they actually have after first researching them and not finding a satisfactory answer.
Don't ask a generic question- then get irritated by an answer when that wasn't really your question to begin with- you cannot put that on the community for doing a "bad job answer questions" when the intent wasn't properly expressed.
We aren't mind readers.
If you ask how to lose weight- it's going to be eat at a calorie deficit- if you're asking how to daily DEAL with a calorie deficit- that's a completely and wildly different answer per person.
Details are important.
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longtimeterp wrote: »
*Nisbett, R. E., & Masuda, T. (2003). Culture and point of view. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America, 100, 11163-11175.
2. *Masuda, T. & Nisbett, R. E. (2001). Attending holistically vs. analytically: Comparing the context sensitivity of Japanese and Americans. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 81, 922-934.
3. 2. *Chua, H. F., Boland, J. E., & Nisbett, R. E. (2005). Cultural Variation in eye-movements during scene perception. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America, 102, 12629-12633.
*Masuda, T., Russell, M. J., Chen, Y. Y., Hioki, K., Caplan, J. B. (2014). N400 incongruity effect in an episodic memory task reveals different strategies for handling irrelevant contextual information for Japanese than European Canadians. Cognitive Neuroscience, 5, 15-25.
*Masuda, T., Wang, H., Ishii, K., & Ito, K. (2012). Do surrounding figures’ emotions affect the judgment of target figure’s emotion?: Comparing the patterns of eye-movement between European-Canadians, Asian-Canadians, Asian International Students, and Japanese. Frontier in Integrative Neuroscience, 6:72. doi: 10.3389/fnint.2012.00072.
*Imada, T., Carlson, S. M., & Itakura, S. (2013). East-West cultural differences in context-sensitivity are evident in early childhood. Developmental Science, 16, 198-208.
(the papers btw are all pretty interesting, I have been reading them for my cultural psychology methods class)
The gym is really pretty interesting, i've been lifting to benefit my fitness. And i've learned a lot more about diet, exercise, and a healthy lifestyle by DOING rather than reading about it. I feel the benefits of barbell lifting and arc training far outweigh the gains of page turning, especially for anything this site is concerned with.
So you don't believe in researching to learn more about and develop your understanding.
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longtimeterp wrote: »
*Nisbett, R. E., & Masuda, T. (2003). Culture and point of view. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America, 100, 11163-11175.
2. *Masuda, T. & Nisbett, R. E. (2001). Attending holistically vs. analytically: Comparing the context sensitivity of Japanese and Americans. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 81, 922-934.
3. 2. *Chua, H. F., Boland, J. E., & Nisbett, R. E. (2005). Cultural Variation in eye-movements during scene perception. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America, 102, 12629-12633.
*Masuda, T., Russell, M. J., Chen, Y. Y., Hioki, K., Caplan, J. B. (2014). N400 incongruity effect in an episodic memory task reveals different strategies for handling irrelevant contextual information for Japanese than European Canadians. Cognitive Neuroscience, 5, 15-25.
*Masuda, T., Wang, H., Ishii, K., & Ito, K. (2012). Do surrounding figures’ emotions affect the judgment of target figure’s emotion?: Comparing the patterns of eye-movement between European-Canadians, Asian-Canadians, Asian International Students, and Japanese. Frontier in Integrative Neuroscience, 6:72. doi: 10.3389/fnint.2012.00072.
*Imada, T., Carlson, S. M., & Itakura, S. (2013). East-West cultural differences in context-sensitivity are evident in early childhood. Developmental Science, 16, 198-208.
(the papers btw are all pretty interesting, I have been reading them for my cultural psychology methods class)
The gym is really pretty interesting, i've been lifting to benefit my fitness. And i've learned a lot more about diet, exercise, and a healthy lifestyle by DOING rather than reading about it. I feel the benefits of barbell lifting and arc training far outweigh the gains of page turning, especially for anything this site is concerned with.
So you don't believe in researching to learn more about and develop your understanding.
Doh'kay....sounds good.
I never said that, i do plenty of research, and i even post study links. However a personal example is that i learned more about fasted cardio by doing it then by reading about how it would eat away at all my muscles for fuel, which it doesn't.
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Capt_Apollo wrote: »christinev297 wrote: »My eyes glaze over when I get a scientific research link shoved at me.
I'm much more interested in hearing from real life people with real life experiences
it's attitudes like that that make parents not vaccinate their children and listen to Jenny McCarthy instead.
but, but, thimerosal and mercury!
Funny thing that Jenny McCarthy, she found it was hurting her brand, and she stepped away from the anti-vaxxing message.
Smart of her, from a marketing standpoint.
Wish she'd never brought it up - I'm tired of people thinking I'm one of those dimwits when I complain about having a hard time finding the thimoseral-free flu vax.
Some of us are sensitive to the stuff and would rather not have a sore, swollen shoulder for three days, dammit.
Back on topic, I find it interesting that so many people are willing to put greater weight on a one-off anecdote ( on an internet message board, no less! ) than in research done with >1 participants. This assumes the research is well-designed and executed, because if not, I completely understand disregarding the research.
Must be a psychological thing - something about making a 'connection' with the person you're chatting with online, maybe.0 -
longtimeterp wrote: »longtimeterp wrote: »
*Nisbett, R. E., & Masuda, T. (2003). Culture and point of view. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America, 100, 11163-11175.
2. *Masuda, T. & Nisbett, R. E. (2001). Attending holistically vs. analytically: Comparing the context sensitivity of Japanese and Americans. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 81, 922-934.
3. 2. *Chua, H. F., Boland, J. E., & Nisbett, R. E. (2005). Cultural Variation in eye-movements during scene perception. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America, 102, 12629-12633.
*Masuda, T., Russell, M. J., Chen, Y. Y., Hioki, K., Caplan, J. B. (2014). N400 incongruity effect in an episodic memory task reveals different strategies for handling irrelevant contextual information for Japanese than European Canadians. Cognitive Neuroscience, 5, 15-25.
*Masuda, T., Wang, H., Ishii, K., & Ito, K. (2012). Do surrounding figures’ emotions affect the judgment of target figure’s emotion?: Comparing the patterns of eye-movement between European-Canadians, Asian-Canadians, Asian International Students, and Japanese. Frontier in Integrative Neuroscience, 6:72. doi: 10.3389/fnint.2012.00072.
*Imada, T., Carlson, S. M., & Itakura, S. (2013). East-West cultural differences in context-sensitivity are evident in early childhood. Developmental Science, 16, 198-208.
(the papers btw are all pretty interesting, I have been reading them for my cultural psychology methods class)
The gym is really pretty interesting, i've been lifting to benefit my fitness. And i've learned a lot more about diet, exercise, and a healthy lifestyle by DOING rather than reading about it. I feel the benefits of barbell lifting and arc training far outweigh the gains of page turning, especially for anything this site is concerned with.
So you don't believe in researching to learn more about and develop your understanding.
Doh'kay....sounds good.
I never said that, i do plenty of research, and i even post study links. However a personal example is that i learned more about fasted cardio by doing it then by reading about how it would eat away at all my muscles for fuel, which it doesn't.
LOL....can I see where you read that? That's the first I've heard that..........ever.
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longtimeterp wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »I think that science and anecdote can both have a place on these boards. The problem becomes when people confuse one for the other.
yes, or use flawed personal experience as evidence…
Like " i cut all sugar and lost weight; hence, sugar is bad for me and made me gain weight"…no, because you can eat sugar and lose weight …
*shrugs*
if someone experiences something personally, how can it be flawed for them?
Really? For ages I always drove a blue truck and was overweight, but when I got a new white one I had no problem losing weight. True story.
Conclusion, blue vehicles are worse for weight loss.
Hmmm, when I switched from my gold old SUV to my new white SUV I gained all my weight back! Eureka!! My son will be so happy to switch cars with me! And that just proves that gold vehicles are superior to white ones.
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longtimeterp wrote: »Wronkletoad wrote: »and herr löffel, when they do fail, they're just walking along with a longtimeterp...
No, they are probably exercising and trying to find out what works best for them with help and advice from people who have been through similar experiences and can provide potentially very useful advice!
And without any academic framework, they are just as likely to be random dilettantes giving out useless and often dangerous "advice".
It's not an "either/or" issue. "Experience" does not have inherent superiority; neither does academic learning.
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What if you read something at some point and acted on it in your life. You don't remember where you got the original idea but have the anecdotal experience to share. Can you say you read such and such and your experience was A,B,C, or do you have to leave out the fact that the idea came from another source since you can't produce the source?0
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DeirdreWoodwardSanders wrote: »heh heh.longtimeterp wrote: »if we all knew the secret none of us would be on this site.
I think this is a great point. A lot OPs are asking for help losing weight, and a lot of people are responding calorie in < energy out, but the OP is really asking how did you deal with 1. cravings 2. eating out 3. emotional eating 4. grazing after dinner 5. fitting low-cal meals into a busy lifestyle 6. changing a lifestyle to one more healthy 7. weird issues that are popping up 8. exercise 9. understanding body mass and total energy expenditures 10. etc etc etc.
then they need to ask THOSE the questions they actually have after first researching them and not finding a satisfactory answer.
Don't ask a generic question- then get irritated by an answer when that wasn't really your question to begin with- you cannot put that on the community for doing a "bad job answer questions" when the intent wasn't properly expressed.
We aren't mind readers.
If you ask how to lose weight- it's going to be eat at a calorie deficit- if you're asking how to daily DEAL with a calorie deficit- that's a completely and wildly different answer per person.
Details are important.
This x1,000,000
Don't assume that people understand that you want answers to questions that you aren't asking. If you are getting the CICO answer and you were looking for more of the "well, I try to keep myself busy, or I save calories for a sweet snack everyday" type of answers, you asked the wrong question. We can only answer the question that we are given. (Also, don't get mad if its not what you want to hear. People have different experiences and they aren't always what we want to hear)
To address the overall thread: both types of information are important, the experience information and the science information.
Experience can help others learn how to adjust their lives and cope with aspects of a healthier lifestyle. It's extremely important.
Science can ensure that you understand the implications of your decisions and can help guide you to better ones. It's also extremely important.
If you make claims using research, you will be asked to post that research. I don't think that's unreasonable. For example (apparently I'm in a "poke it with a stick" mood today, but IDGAF), if you claim that research shows that IF can reduce the rate of cancer, you should provide that research. Quite frankly, if I read a study that verified that claim, I would consider switching to IF, because, who doesn't want to reduce their risk of cancer? If you can provide valid scientific information to help people make healthier decisions, you should. I want to save everyone from cancer that I can. If I saw a study that claimed that anything reduced the risk of cancer, I'd post it everywhere I could. And then would participate in a discussion on that study to understand the implications of it.
But all in all:
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longtimeterp wrote: »Since everyone is here for advice and support on whatever their weight or body composition goals are, i feel it very important to know about actual real life instances and what may or may not have worked for people. If there was not a scientific study done on how you were successful, it's totally okay to provide an opinion of what works best for you. Ultimately what works for some people may or may not work for others, and if we all knew the secret none of us would be on this site. Continuing to provide personal and anecdotal evidence provides real life example and servesas a very positive motivator for many of us. And also because sometimes Lifes, not just Sciences. But always Maths!
OP, I think the issue is that claims are valid, when backed by scientific studies, (which, on this site to be credible, usually involve human subjects). It's up to the reader to be discerning of what studies he/she choose to believe, take away from each study, and then determine how that can affect his/her lifestyle. Of course, opinions are welcome, but not every opinion can be made a valid claim for others to follow.0 -
DeirdreWoodwardSanders wrote: »heh heh.longtimeterp wrote: »if we all knew the secret none of us would be on this site.
I think this is a great point. A lot OPs are asking for help losing weight, and a lot of people are responding calorie in < energy out, but the OP is really asking how did you deal with 1. cravings 2. eating out 3. emotional eating 4. grazing after dinner 5. fitting low-cal meals into a busy lifestyle 6. changing a lifestyle to one more healthy 7. weird issues that are popping up 8. exercise 9. understanding body mass and total energy expenditures 10. etc etc etc.
Very good point.
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longtimeterp wrote: »longtimeterp wrote: »
*Nisbett, R. E., & Masuda, T. (2003). Culture and point of view. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America, 100, 11163-11175.
2. *Masuda, T. & Nisbett, R. E. (2001). Attending holistically vs. analytically: Comparing the context sensitivity of Japanese and Americans. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 81, 922-934.
3. 2. *Chua, H. F., Boland, J. E., & Nisbett, R. E. (2005). Cultural Variation in eye-movements during scene perception. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America, 102, 12629-12633.
*Masuda, T., Russell, M. J., Chen, Y. Y., Hioki, K., Caplan, J. B. (2014). N400 incongruity effect in an episodic memory task reveals different strategies for handling irrelevant contextual information for Japanese than European Canadians. Cognitive Neuroscience, 5, 15-25.
*Masuda, T., Wang, H., Ishii, K., & Ito, K. (2012). Do surrounding figures’ emotions affect the judgment of target figure’s emotion?: Comparing the patterns of eye-movement between European-Canadians, Asian-Canadians, Asian International Students, and Japanese. Frontier in Integrative Neuroscience, 6:72. doi: 10.3389/fnint.2012.00072.
*Imada, T., Carlson, S. M., & Itakura, S. (2013). East-West cultural differences in context-sensitivity are evident in early childhood. Developmental Science, 16, 198-208.
(the papers btw are all pretty interesting, I have been reading them for my cultural psychology methods class)
The gym is really pretty interesting, i've been lifting to benefit my fitness. And i've learned a lot more about diet, exercise, and a healthy lifestyle by DOING rather than reading about it. I feel the benefits of barbell lifting and arc training far outweigh the gains of page turning, especially for anything this site is concerned with.
So you don't believe in researching to learn more about and develop your understanding.
Doh'kay....sounds good.
I never said that, i do plenty of research, and i even post study links. However a personal example is that i learned more about fasted cardio by doing it then by reading about how it would eat away at all my muscles for fuel, which it doesn't.
LOL....can I see where you read that? That's the first I've heard that..........ever.
Really? Quick search...
http://www.mensfitness.com/training/build-muscle/should-you-do-cardio-empty-stomach
http://www.jimstoppani.com/home/articles/fasted-cardio-in-the-morning?preview
http://www.t-nation.com/training/fasted-cardio-eats-muscle
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