Guide to making claims based on experience
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And if the person told you 3 books they read about the studies in? Does that suffice or do you need them to make it so you don't have to leave your chair or even your MFP tab?if you claim that research shows that IF can reduce the rate of cancer, you should provide that research.
If someone told me studies suggest "x diet habits may have y benefits" I might politely ask where they heard that but I think even before that I'd just google it myself.
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longtimeterp wrote: »longtimeterp wrote: »longtimeterp wrote: »
*Nisbett, R. E., & Masuda, T. (2003). Culture and point of view. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America, 100, 11163-11175.
2. *Masuda, T. & Nisbett, R. E. (2001). Attending holistically vs. analytically: Comparing the context sensitivity of Japanese and Americans. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 81, 922-934.
3. 2. *Chua, H. F., Boland, J. E., & Nisbett, R. E. (2005). Cultural Variation in eye-movements during scene perception. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America, 102, 12629-12633.
*Masuda, T., Russell, M. J., Chen, Y. Y., Hioki, K., Caplan, J. B. (2014). N400 incongruity effect in an episodic memory task reveals different strategies for handling irrelevant contextual information for Japanese than European Canadians. Cognitive Neuroscience, 5, 15-25.
*Masuda, T., Wang, H., Ishii, K., & Ito, K. (2012). Do surrounding figures’ emotions affect the judgment of target figure’s emotion?: Comparing the patterns of eye-movement between European-Canadians, Asian-Canadians, Asian International Students, and Japanese. Frontier in Integrative Neuroscience, 6:72. doi: 10.3389/fnint.2012.00072.
*Imada, T., Carlson, S. M., & Itakura, S. (2013). East-West cultural differences in context-sensitivity are evident in early childhood. Developmental Science, 16, 198-208.
(the papers btw are all pretty interesting, I have been reading them for my cultural psychology methods class)
The gym is really pretty interesting, i've been lifting to benefit my fitness. And i've learned a lot more about diet, exercise, and a healthy lifestyle by DOING rather than reading about it. I feel the benefits of barbell lifting and arc training far outweigh the gains of page turning, especially for anything this site is concerned with.
So you don't believe in researching to learn more about and develop your understanding.
Doh'kay....sounds good.
I never said that, i do plenty of research, and i even post study links. However a personal example is that i learned more about fasted cardio by doing it then by reading about how it would eat away at all my muscles for fuel, which it doesn't.
LOL....can I see where you read that? That's the first I've heard that..........ever.
Really? Quick search...
http://www.mensfitness.com/training/build-muscle/should-you-do-cardio-empty-stomach
http://www.jimstoppani.com/home/articles/fasted-cardio-in-the-morning?preview
http://www.t-nation.com/training/fasted-cardio-eats-muscle
When I dig through .com's and blogs....,I take them with a huge grain of salt.
All of my research shows that you need to seriously deplete your body of energy before it's going to turn to muscle for energy.
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This is what I'm seeing:
"I'm smarter/better/more successful than you because I have a PhD and I can read and site academic journal articles."
"Yeah well I'm smarter/better/more successful than you because I lost XX lbs by doing X and Y and Z."
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WalkingAlong wrote: »
And if the person told you 3 books they read about the studies in? Does that suffice or do you need them to make it so you don't have to leave your chair or even your MFP tab?if you claim that research shows that IF can reduce the rate of cancer, you should provide that research.
If someone told me studies suggest "x diet habits may have y benefits" I might politely ask where they heard that but I think even before that I'd just google it myself.
Did I say you didn't?? I didn't even participate in that thread. I'm just giving a timely example of a valid request to post your sources.
If the source of your information is from a book, great. It's up to you whether you think its valid or not. A lot of people won't find it valid and want to read the actual studies. Slow your roll.
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longtimeterp wrote: »longtimeterp wrote: »longtimeterp wrote: »
*Nisbett, R. E., & Masuda, T. (2003). Culture and point of view. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America, 100, 11163-11175.
2. *Masuda, T. & Nisbett, R. E. (2001). Attending holistically vs. analytically: Comparing the context sensitivity of Japanese and Americans. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 81, 922-934.
3. 2. *Chua, H. F., Boland, J. E., & Nisbett, R. E. (2005). Cultural Variation in eye-movements during scene perception. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America, 102, 12629-12633.
*Masuda, T., Russell, M. J., Chen, Y. Y., Hioki, K., Caplan, J. B. (2014). N400 incongruity effect in an episodic memory task reveals different strategies for handling irrelevant contextual information for Japanese than European Canadians. Cognitive Neuroscience, 5, 15-25.
*Masuda, T., Wang, H., Ishii, K., & Ito, K. (2012). Do surrounding figures’ emotions affect the judgment of target figure’s emotion?: Comparing the patterns of eye-movement between European-Canadians, Asian-Canadians, Asian International Students, and Japanese. Frontier in Integrative Neuroscience, 6:72. doi: 10.3389/fnint.2012.00072.
*Imada, T., Carlson, S. M., & Itakura, S. (2013). East-West cultural differences in context-sensitivity are evident in early childhood. Developmental Science, 16, 198-208.
(the papers btw are all pretty interesting, I have been reading them for my cultural psychology methods class)
The gym is really pretty interesting, i've been lifting to benefit my fitness. And i've learned a lot more about diet, exercise, and a healthy lifestyle by DOING rather than reading about it. I feel the benefits of barbell lifting and arc training far outweigh the gains of page turning, especially for anything this site is concerned with.
So you don't believe in researching to learn more about and develop your understanding.
Doh'kay....sounds good.
I never said that, i do plenty of research, and i even post study links. However a personal example is that i learned more about fasted cardio by doing it then by reading about how it would eat away at all my muscles for fuel, which it doesn't.
LOL....can I see where you read that? That's the first I've heard that..........ever.
Really? Quick search...
http://www.mensfitness.com/training/build-muscle/should-you-do-cardio-empty-stomach
http://www.jimstoppani.com/home/articles/fasted-cardio-in-the-morning?preview
http://www.t-nation.com/training/fasted-cardio-eats-muscle
I guess that's where our research differs. I don't dig through .com's and blogs...., or I take them with a huge grain of salt.
All of my research shows that you need to seriously deplete your body of energy before it's going to turn to muscle for energy.
Well i wouldn't call a google search and subsequent listing of a few top results from sites deemed somewhat reputable in the fitness community (t-nation, eh, dunno about that place lol) as digging. And for the MAJORITY of people on this site, that's EXACTLY what they do and that's the information they will see. Scholarly databases are not something i assume the general public goes to first for diet and fitness advice, but that's just my opinion.0 -
longtimeterp wrote: »longtimeterp wrote: »longtimeterp wrote: »longtimeterp wrote: »
*Nisbett, R. E., & Masuda, T. (2003). Culture and point of view. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America, 100, 11163-11175.
2. *Masuda, T. & Nisbett, R. E. (2001). Attending holistically vs. analytically: Comparing the context sensitivity of Japanese and Americans. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 81, 922-934.
3. 2. *Chua, H. F., Boland, J. E., & Nisbett, R. E. (2005). Cultural Variation in eye-movements during scene perception. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America, 102, 12629-12633.
*Masuda, T., Russell, M. J., Chen, Y. Y., Hioki, K., Caplan, J. B. (2014). N400 incongruity effect in an episodic memory task reveals different strategies for handling irrelevant contextual information for Japanese than European Canadians. Cognitive Neuroscience, 5, 15-25.
*Masuda, T., Wang, H., Ishii, K., & Ito, K. (2012). Do surrounding figures’ emotions affect the judgment of target figure’s emotion?: Comparing the patterns of eye-movement between European-Canadians, Asian-Canadians, Asian International Students, and Japanese. Frontier in Integrative Neuroscience, 6:72. doi: 10.3389/fnint.2012.00072.
*Imada, T., Carlson, S. M., & Itakura, S. (2013). East-West cultural differences in context-sensitivity are evident in early childhood. Developmental Science, 16, 198-208.
(the papers btw are all pretty interesting, I have been reading them for my cultural psychology methods class)
The gym is really pretty interesting, i've been lifting to benefit my fitness. And i've learned a lot more about diet, exercise, and a healthy lifestyle by DOING rather than reading about it. I feel the benefits of barbell lifting and arc training far outweigh the gains of page turning, especially for anything this site is concerned with.
So you don't believe in researching to learn more about and develop your understanding.
Doh'kay....sounds good.
I never said that, i do plenty of research, and i even post study links. However a personal example is that i learned more about fasted cardio by doing it then by reading about how it would eat away at all my muscles for fuel, which it doesn't.
LOL....can I see where you read that? That's the first I've heard that..........ever.
Really? Quick search...
http://www.mensfitness.com/training/build-muscle/should-you-do-cardio-empty-stomach
http://www.jimstoppani.com/home/articles/fasted-cardio-in-the-morning?preview
http://www.t-nation.com/training/fasted-cardio-eats-muscle
I guess that's where our research differs. I don't dig through .com's and blogs...., or I take them with a huge grain of salt.
All of my research shows that you need to seriously deplete your body of energy before it's going to turn to muscle for energy.
Well i wouldn't call a google search and subsequent listing of a few top results from sites deemed somewhat reputable in the fitness community (t-nation, eh, dunno about that place lol) as digging. And for the MAJORITY of people on this site, that's EXACTLY what they do and that's the information they will see. Scholarly databases are not something i assume the general public goes to first for diet and fitness advice, but that's just my opinion.
You're right. But that's why the general public gets so confused on how to lose weight. They believe everything they read without digging to find the credibility of that information. It's a weakness of modern society.
Shame on us on trying to figure out what's actually backed by science and what's not.
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a lot of people are not going to be reading research studies, much less understanding them if they do. I would say less than 10% of the people i've met outside of graduate school (and these threads) have ever read a study...especially for primary diet advice...SingRunTing wrote: »WalkingAlong wrote: »
And if the person told you 3 books they read about the studies in? Does that suffice or do you need them to make it so you don't have to leave your chair or even your MFP tab?if you claim that research shows that IF can reduce the rate of cancer, you should provide that research.
If someone told me studies suggest "x diet habits may have y benefits" I might politely ask where they heard that but I think even before that I'd just google it myself.
Did I say you didn't?? I didn't even participate in that thread. I'm just giving a timely example of a valid request to post your sources.
If the source of your information is from a book, great. It's up to you whether you think its valid or not. A lot of people won't find it valid and want to read the actual studies. Slow your roll.0 -
I don't know what "slow your roll" means but I agree that it's up to each to read the studies that interest them and decide what to them is valid and meaningful. The original thread had people saying, "If you don't post the studies then I (who have read exactly nothing on the topic) proclaim it bull$hit."SingRunTing wrote: »WalkingAlong wrote: »
And if the person told you 3 books they read about the studies in? Does that suffice or do you need them to make it so you don't have to leave your chair or even your MFP tab?if you claim that research shows that IF can reduce the rate of cancer, you should provide that research.
If someone told me studies suggest "x diet habits may have y benefits" I might politely ask where they heard that but I think even before that I'd just google it myself.
Did I say you didn't?? I didn't even participate in that thread. I'm just giving a timely example of a valid request to post your sources.
If the source of your information is from a book, great. It's up to you whether you think its valid or not. A lot of people won't find it valid and want to read the actual studies. Slow your roll.
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SingRunTing wrote: »longtimeterp wrote: »longtimeterp wrote: »longtimeterp wrote: »longtimeterp wrote: »
*Nisbett, R. E., & Masuda, T. (2003). Culture and point of view. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America, 100, 11163-11175.
2. *Masuda, T. & Nisbett, R. E. (2001). Attending holistically vs. analytically: Comparing the context sensitivity of Japanese and Americans. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 81, 922-934.
3. 2. *Chua, H. F., Boland, J. E., & Nisbett, R. E. (2005). Cultural Variation in eye-movements during scene perception. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America, 102, 12629-12633.
*Masuda, T., Russell, M. J., Chen, Y. Y., Hioki, K., Caplan, J. B. (2014). N400 incongruity effect in an episodic memory task reveals different strategies for handling irrelevant contextual information for Japanese than European Canadians. Cognitive Neuroscience, 5, 15-25.
*Masuda, T., Wang, H., Ishii, K., & Ito, K. (2012). Do surrounding figures’ emotions affect the judgment of target figure’s emotion?: Comparing the patterns of eye-movement between European-Canadians, Asian-Canadians, Asian International Students, and Japanese. Frontier in Integrative Neuroscience, 6:72. doi: 10.3389/fnint.2012.00072.
*Imada, T., Carlson, S. M., & Itakura, S. (2013). East-West cultural differences in context-sensitivity are evident in early childhood. Developmental Science, 16, 198-208.
(the papers btw are all pretty interesting, I have been reading them for my cultural psychology methods class)
The gym is really pretty interesting, i've been lifting to benefit my fitness. And i've learned a lot more about diet, exercise, and a healthy lifestyle by DOING rather than reading about it. I feel the benefits of barbell lifting and arc training far outweigh the gains of page turning, especially for anything this site is concerned with.
So you don't believe in researching to learn more about and develop your understanding.
Doh'kay....sounds good.
I never said that, i do plenty of research, and i even post study links. However a personal example is that i learned more about fasted cardio by doing it then by reading about how it would eat away at all my muscles for fuel, which it doesn't.
LOL....can I see where you read that? That's the first I've heard that..........ever.
Really? Quick search...
http://www.mensfitness.com/training/build-muscle/should-you-do-cardio-empty-stomach
http://www.jimstoppani.com/home/articles/fasted-cardio-in-the-morning?preview
http://www.t-nation.com/training/fasted-cardio-eats-muscle
I guess that's where our research differs. I don't dig through .com's and blogs...., or I take them with a huge grain of salt.
All of my research shows that you need to seriously deplete your body of energy before it's going to turn to muscle for energy.
Well i wouldn't call a google search and subsequent listing of a few top results from sites deemed somewhat reputable in the fitness community (t-nation, eh, dunno about that place lol) as digging. And for the MAJORITY of people on this site, that's EXACTLY what they do and that's the information they will see. Scholarly databases are not something i assume the general public goes to first for diet and fitness advice, but that's just my opinion.
You're right. But that's why the general public gets so confused on how to lose weight. They believe everything they read without digging to find the credibility of that information. It's a weakness of modern society.
Shame on us on trying to figure out what's actually backed by science and what's not.
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longtimeterp wrote: »
a lot of people are not going to be reading research studies, much less understanding them if they do. I would say less than 10% of the people i've met outside of graduate school (and these threads) have ever read a study...especially for primary diet advice...SingRunTing wrote: »WalkingAlong wrote: »
And if the person told you 3 books they read about the studies in? Does that suffice or do you need them to make it so you don't have to leave your chair or even your MFP tab?if you claim that research shows that IF can reduce the rate of cancer, you should provide that research.
If someone told me studies suggest "x diet habits may have y benefits" I might politely ask where they heard that but I think even before that I'd just google it myself.
Did I say you didn't?? I didn't even participate in that thread. I'm just giving a timely example of a valid request to post your sources.
If the source of your information is from a book, great. It's up to you whether you think its valid or not. A lot of people won't find it valid and want to read the actual studies. Slow your roll.
Ok, fine.
People with science backgrounds, who understand that SOME books cherry pick or flat out misinterpret the studies they use, MAY not consider books valid sources for science information. They MAY want to read the studies to interpret the results for themselves to see if the claims made in the book are supported.
Is that better?
There are actually some people on here who do read studies on a regular basis. I'm not saying that everyone does, but please don't think that no one does.0 -
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WalkingAlong wrote: »
And if the person told you 3 books they read about the studies in? Does that suffice or do you need them to make it so you don't have to leave your chair or even your MFP tab?if you claim that research shows that IF can reduce the rate of cancer, you should provide that research.
If someone told me studies suggest "x diet habits may have y benefits" I might politely ask where they heard that but I think even before that I'd just google it myself.
just...let...it...go...
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The science and conjecture behind the mechanics of weight is always fascinating to me, but the "whose study is bigger" pissing contests around here are the definition of tedious. Nine times out of ten that's just an instant scroll for me.
The overwhelming majority of people still put great stock in anecdotal evidence. The theories behind how to lose a 100 pounds are awesome, but most people will naturally gravitate toward the person(s) who actually lost 100 lbs and want to hear how they did it.
There's a place for both. But yes, on all sides, there are those of us who just love to debate and argue for the sake of.0 -
longtimeterp wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »I think that science and anecdote can both have a place on these boards. The problem becomes when people confuse one for the other.
yes, or use flawed personal experience as evidence…
Like " i cut all sugar and lost weight; hence, sugar is bad for me and made me gain weight"…no, because you can eat sugar and lose weight …
*shrugs*
if someone experiences something personally, how can it be flawed for them?
Really? For ages I always drove a blue truck and was overweight, but when I got a new white one I had no problem losing weight. True story.
Conclusion, blue vehicles are worse for weight loss.
But I've driven a blue car for a decade and I'm losing! So you must be wrong!0 -
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He said truck not car. Pay attention!!!longtimeterp wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »I think that science and anecdote can both have a place on these boards. The problem becomes when people confuse one for the other.
yes, or use flawed personal experience as evidence…
Like " i cut all sugar and lost weight; hence, sugar is bad for me and made me gain weight"…no, because you can eat sugar and lose weight …
*shrugs*
if someone experiences something personally, how can it be flawed for them?
Really? For ages I always drove a blue truck and was overweight, but when I got a new white one I had no problem losing weight. True story.
Conclusion, blue vehicles are worse for weight loss.
But I've driven a blue car for a decade and I'm losing! So you must be wrong!
What, I'm supposed to read every detail of the post before bringing in my own conclusions? That's impossible!0 -
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Quit trying to kill people faster. Cake contains toxic baking soda.
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My issue with "claims based on experience" is that most people very quickly make spurious correlations.0
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Says one of the leaders the pack lately with the awesome sweet. You should be ashamed.ithrowconfetti wrote: »Quit trying to kill people faster. Cake contains toxic baking soda.
How dare you. I ensure that all products I endorse and consume only contain baking powder. Baking powder = cream of tartar + starch + baking soda = less amounts of baking soda per serving = negligible = not toxic.0 -
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herrspoons wrote: »DeirdreWoodwardSanders wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »There are two kinds of people in this world: Ones who take the time to understand how things work, and people who fail.
Please cite your source. heh heh
The number of people with very high post counts who are still here complaining about not being able to lose weight?
Correlation/causation? I have under 500 posts and i've been here 3 years, however some on the forums have thousands of posts in 6 months. And some with many posts have lost lots and some with many posts have not. Vice versa with few posts. How does the number of posts correlate to success of their weight loss or cause it to be more or less effective?
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HappyCampr1 wrote: »Boy am I glad I never post links or claim I have all the answers. But, as someone who does read a lot of the forum posts, I can tell you this is the way it goes for me.... Person A posts a "truth". Person B doesn't agree and says so. Person A takes exception and posts a link purportedly backing their claim. At this point, I assume that any post/link person A has posted will back their claim, otherwise why post it. I've also taken note that others disagree. Now, person B, states why the link is junk, and makes their case, including 3 links of their own. I assume that each of these links will indeed back up what person B is saying. What I get from this whole scenario is that there are studies to say anything you want them to say, and if I'm interested in the truth, I need to research it myself. I would never assume that any link provided in a forum of this type is 100% accurate. I would not expect that there would be Doctors, Physical Therapists, Trainers, PhDs all here to offer me advice for free. I assumed at the beginning that all advice given was simply opinions. If something doesn't sound right, or I have questions, it's my responsibility to find out the answer. I don't think the people expecting citations give the rest of us enough credit for finding out things on our own. I also think that those people who might fall for the horrible gimmick are generally not the type who are going to read the research in the links provided.
That said, I have no objection to people arguing against bad information and calling out the people providing it. Asking for links to back up the claims is a valid idea. I just don't think that expecting anyone who ever expresses an opinion as fact should be expected to provide this information in advance of being challenged. The forums have a way of policing themselves and the "Guidelines" just seemed too militant for an Internet forum that people use for support and ideas. We really aren't expecting perfection here. We're expecting advice and maybe some empathy from people who are going or have gone through the same things we are.
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Yeah I know it can be tough at times. Have some cake, you might feel better.
He said truck not car. Pay attention!!!longtimeterp wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »I think that science and anecdote can both have a place on these boards. The problem becomes when people confuse one for the other.
yes, or use flawed personal experience as evidence…
Like " i cut all sugar and lost weight; hence, sugar is bad for me and made me gain weight"…no, because you can eat sugar and lose weight …
*shrugs*
if someone experiences something personally, how can it be flawed for them?
Really? For ages I always drove a blue truck and was overweight, but when I got a new white one I had no problem losing weight. True story.
Conclusion, blue vehicles are worse for weight loss.
But I've driven a blue car for a decade and I'm losing! So you must be wrong!
What, I'm supposed to read every detail of the post before bringing in my own conclusions? That's impossible!
awesome! (dammit, I just spilled again... grumble)
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longtimeterp wrote: »longtimeterp wrote: »longtimeterp wrote: »longtimeterp wrote: »
*Nisbett, R. E., & Masuda, T. (2003). Culture and point of view. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America, 100, 11163-11175.
2. *Masuda, T. & Nisbett, R. E. (2001). Attending holistically vs. analytically: Comparing the context sensitivity of Japanese and Americans. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 81, 922-934.
3. 2. *Chua, H. F., Boland, J. E., & Nisbett, R. E. (2005). Cultural Variation in eye-movements during scene perception. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America, 102, 12629-12633.
*Masuda, T., Russell, M. J., Chen, Y. Y., Hioki, K., Caplan, J. B. (2014). N400 incongruity effect in an episodic memory task reveals different strategies for handling irrelevant contextual information for Japanese than European Canadians. Cognitive Neuroscience, 5, 15-25.
*Masuda, T., Wang, H., Ishii, K., & Ito, K. (2012). Do surrounding figures’ emotions affect the judgment of target figure’s emotion?: Comparing the patterns of eye-movement between European-Canadians, Asian-Canadians, Asian International Students, and Japanese. Frontier in Integrative Neuroscience, 6:72. doi: 10.3389/fnint.2012.00072.
*Imada, T., Carlson, S. M., & Itakura, S. (2013). East-West cultural differences in context-sensitivity are evident in early childhood. Developmental Science, 16, 198-208.
(the papers btw are all pretty interesting, I have been reading them for my cultural psychology methods class)
The gym is really pretty interesting, i've been lifting to benefit my fitness. And i've learned a lot more about diet, exercise, and a healthy lifestyle by DOING rather than reading about it. I feel the benefits of barbell lifting and arc training far outweigh the gains of page turning, especially for anything this site is concerned with.
So you don't believe in researching to learn more about and develop your understanding.
Doh'kay....sounds good.
I never said that, i do plenty of research, and i even post study links. However a personal example is that i learned more about fasted cardio by doing it then by reading about how it would eat away at all my muscles for fuel, which it doesn't.
LOL....can I see where you read that? That's the first I've heard that..........ever.
Really? Quick search...
http://www.mensfitness.com/training/build-muscle/should-you-do-cardio-empty-stomach
http://www.jimstoppani.com/home/articles/fasted-cardio-in-the-morning?preview
http://www.t-nation.com/training/fasted-cardio-eats-muscle
I guess that's where our research differs. I don't dig through .com's and blogs...., or I take them with a huge grain of salt.
All of my research shows that you need to seriously deplete your body of energy before it's going to turn to muscle for energy.
Well i wouldn't call a google search and subsequent listing of a few top results from sites deemed somewhat reputable in the fitness community (t-nation, eh, dunno about that place lol) as digging. And for the MAJORITY of people on this site, that's EXACTLY what they do and that's the information they will see. Scholarly databases are not something i assume the general public goes to first for diet and fitness advice, but that's just my opinion.
and that is the exact reason people post the scientific studies you complain about....
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Empathy, lol.longtimeterp wrote: »HappyCampr1 wrote: »Boy am I glad I never post links or claim I have all the answers. But, as someone who does read a lot of the forum posts, I can tell you this is the way it goes for me.... Person A posts a "truth". Person B doesn't agree and says so. Person A takes exception and posts a link purportedly backing their claim. At this point, I assume that any post/link person A has posted will back their claim, otherwise why post it. I've also taken note that others disagree. Now, person B, states why the link is junk, and makes their case, including 3 links of their own. I assume that each of these links will indeed back up what person B is saying. What I get from this whole scenario is that there are studies to say anything you want them to say, and if I'm interested in the truth, I need to research it myself. I would never assume that any link provided in a forum of this type is 100% accurate. I would not expect that there would be Doctors, Physical Therapists, Trainers, PhDs all here to offer me advice for free. I assumed at the beginning that all advice given was simply opinions. If something doesn't sound right, or I have questions, it's my responsibility to find out the answer. I don't think the people expecting citations give the rest of us enough credit for finding out things on our own. I also think that those people who might fall for the horrible gimmick are generally not the type who are going to read the research in the links provided.
That said, I have no objection to people arguing against bad information and calling out the people providing it. Asking for links to back up the claims is a valid idea. I just don't think that expecting anyone who ever expresses an opinion as fact should be expected to provide this information in advance of being challenged. The forums have a way of policing themselves and the "Guidelines" just seemed too militant for an Internet forum that people use for support and ideas. We really aren't expecting perfection here. We're expecting advice and maybe some empathy from people who are going or have gone through the same things we are.
This!
What next, we gonna sit in a circle and sing songs?
None of us are 8 years old.
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longtimeterp wrote: »longtimeterp wrote: »longtimeterp wrote: »longtimeterp wrote: »
*Nisbett, R. E., & Masuda, T. (2003). Culture and point of view. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America, 100, 11163-11175.
2. *Masuda, T. & Nisbett, R. E. (2001). Attending holistically vs. analytically: Comparing the context sensitivity of Japanese and Americans. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 81, 922-934.
3. 2. *Chua, H. F., Boland, J. E., & Nisbett, R. E. (2005). Cultural Variation in eye-movements during scene perception. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America, 102, 12629-12633.
*Masuda, T., Russell, M. J., Chen, Y. Y., Hioki, K., Caplan, J. B. (2014). N400 incongruity effect in an episodic memory task reveals different strategies for handling irrelevant contextual information for Japanese than European Canadians. Cognitive Neuroscience, 5, 15-25.
*Masuda, T., Wang, H., Ishii, K., & Ito, K. (2012). Do surrounding figures’ emotions affect the judgment of target figure’s emotion?: Comparing the patterns of eye-movement between European-Canadians, Asian-Canadians, Asian International Students, and Japanese. Frontier in Integrative Neuroscience, 6:72. doi: 10.3389/fnint.2012.00072.
*Imada, T., Carlson, S. M., & Itakura, S. (2013). East-West cultural differences in context-sensitivity are evident in early childhood. Developmental Science, 16, 198-208.
(the papers btw are all pretty interesting, I have been reading them for my cultural psychology methods class)
The gym is really pretty interesting, i've been lifting to benefit my fitness. And i've learned a lot more about diet, exercise, and a healthy lifestyle by DOING rather than reading about it. I feel the benefits of barbell lifting and arc training far outweigh the gains of page turning, especially for anything this site is concerned with.
So you don't believe in researching to learn more about and develop your understanding.
Doh'kay....sounds good.
I never said that, i do plenty of research, and i even post study links. However a personal example is that i learned more about fasted cardio by doing it then by reading about how it would eat away at all my muscles for fuel, which it doesn't.
LOL....can I see where you read that? That's the first I've heard that..........ever.
Really? Quick search...
http://www.mensfitness.com/training/build-muscle/should-you-do-cardio-empty-stomach
http://www.jimstoppani.com/home/articles/fasted-cardio-in-the-morning?preview
http://www.t-nation.com/training/fasted-cardio-eats-muscle
I guess that's where our research differs. I don't dig through .com's and blogs...., or I take them with a huge grain of salt.
All of my research shows that you need to seriously deplete your body of energy before it's going to turn to muscle for energy.
Well i wouldn't call a google search and subsequent listing of a few top results from sites deemed somewhat reputable in the fitness community (t-nation, eh, dunno about that place lol) as digging. And for the MAJORITY of people on this site, that's EXACTLY what they do and that's the information they will see. Scholarly databases are not something i assume the general public goes to first for diet and fitness advice, but that's just my opinion.
and that is the exact reason people post the scientific studies you complain about....
Fancy that eh?0 -
All well said, but particularly the bolded.HappyCampr1 wrote: »Boy am I glad I never post links or claim I have all the answers. But, as someone who does read a lot of the forum posts, I can tell you this is the way it goes for me.... Person A posts a "truth". Person B doesn't agree and says so. Person A takes exception and posts a link purportedly backing their claim. At this point, I assume that any post/link person A has posted will back their claim, otherwise why post it. I've also taken note that others disagree. Now, person B, states why the link is junk, and makes their case, including 3 links of their own. I assume that each of these links will indeed back up what person B is saying. What I get from this whole scenario is that there are studies to say anything you want them to say, and if I'm interested in the truth, I need to research it myself. I would never assume that any link provided in a forum of this type is 100% accurate. I would not expect that there would be Doctors, Physical Therapists, Trainers, PhDs all here to offer me advice for free. I assumed at the beginning that all advice given was simply opinions. If something doesn't sound right, or I have questions, it's my responsibility to find out the answer. I don't think the people expecting citations give the rest of us enough credit for finding out things on our own. I also think that those people who might fall for the horrible gimmick are generally not the type who are going to read the research in the links provided.
That said, I have no objection to people arguing against bad information and calling out the people providing it. Asking for links to back up the claims is a valid idea. I just don't think that expecting anyone who ever expresses an opinion as fact should be expected to provide this information in advance of being challenged. The forums have a way of policing themselves and the "Guidelines" just seemed too militant for an Internet forum that people use for support and ideas. We really aren't expecting perfection here. We're expecting advice and maybe some empathy from people who are going or have gone through the same things we are.
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