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  • AJ_G
    AJ_G Posts: 4,158 Member
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    AJ_G wrote: »
    I really don't like all the snark that's why I stay away from the forums. Stay positive and follow your own intuition and data about what makes you feel good. I started out on here 3 years ago eating a standard american diet. Now I'm a vegan and eat no processed foods or refined sugars and I feel so much better and my overall fitness has improved as well.

    Or you can go ahead and trust science and facts instead of how you feel...

    Congrats on eating vegan and staying away from processed foods for no logical reason...

    The facts are in the movie. And in everything in the scientific journals that tells you a plant based diet is the best for overall health and cancer prevention. Sorry if you find that threatening. yeash. Enjoy being so right all the time

    Please show me one credible source that shows that a plant based diet is better for health and cancer prevention, just one, and please please please don't show me a correlation study.
  • sm1zzle
    sm1zzle Posts: 920 Member
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    ndj1979 wrote: »
    sm1zzle wrote: »
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    I really don't like all the snark that's why I stay away from the forums. Stay positive and follow your own intuition and data about what makes you feel good. I started out on here 3 years ago eating a standard american diet. Now I'm a vegan and eat no processed foods or refined sugars and I feel so much better and my overall fitness has improved as well.

    i would be curious what "data" you have that our society is somehow built around a sugar addiction, and what data you have about mentioned "sugar addiction"….

    You don't think our society has a sugar addiction ?

    no I don't…

    society has an overeating/laziness problem…sugar has nothing to do with it.


    I would argue that many people over eat in part because of the addiction to sugar.

    When people sit and pound 8-12 sodas in a day they are doing it because they are craving that soda....they are craving that sugar.

    I would say that at the end of the day it is still the person's fault because they are not strong enough to resist the addiction, but there is no doubt that it is in fact an addiction to sugar.
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
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    sm1zzle wrote: »
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    I really don't like all the snark that's why I stay away from the forums. Stay positive and follow your own intuition and data about what makes you feel good. I started out on here 3 years ago eating a standard american diet. Now I'm a vegan and eat no processed foods or refined sugars and I feel so much better and my overall fitness has improved as well.

    i would be curious what "data" you have that our society is somehow built around a sugar addiction, and what data you have about mentioned "sugar addiction"….

    You don't think our society has a sugar addiction ?

    Our society? No.
  • sm1zzle
    sm1zzle Posts: 920 Member
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    It's really sad to me that all these so-called "documentaries" and theories which point to an outside source (carbs, sugar, processed foods, meat, etc.) and blames that source for weight gain gets so many followers who are ready to embrace a crutch rather than take personal responsibility for their own actions. *sigh*


    I agree with your point about blaming others...but your argument is like saying there is nothing wrong with heroin, and in fact it should be legal so people, who can moderate their heroin usage, can do so at their leisure.


  • SnuggleSmacks
    SnuggleSmacks Posts: 3,731 Member
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    sm1zzle wrote: »
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    sm1zzle wrote: »
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    I really don't like all the snark that's why I stay away from the forums. Stay positive and follow your own intuition and data about what makes you feel good. I started out on here 3 years ago eating a standard american diet. Now I'm a vegan and eat no processed foods or refined sugars and I feel so much better and my overall fitness has improved as well.

    i would be curious what "data" you have that our society is somehow built around a sugar addiction, and what data you have about mentioned "sugar addiction"….

    You don't think our society has a sugar addiction ?

    no I don't…

    society has an overeating/laziness problem…sugar has nothing to do with it.


    I would argue that many people over eat in part because of the addiction to sugar.

    When people sit and pound 8-12 sodas in a day they are doing it because they are craving that soda....they are craving that sugar.

    I would say that at the end of the day it is still the person's fault because they are not strong enough to resist the addiction, but there is no doubt that it is in fact an addiction to sugar.

    An addict will do anything in order to feed their addiction. If what you say is true, then sugar addicts would be stealing sweets from the store, stealing money to buy sweets, and digging sweets out of the trash. And it wouldn't be just certain sweets...it would be any sweets. People who claim to be addicted to sugar will put away an entire chocolate cake "because of their addiction" but turn down a carrot cake because it's not their favorite. They will eat a whole box of doughnuts, but have no problem saying no to a soda that, for example, is the store brand instead of a name brand.

    It is not an addiction if it is selective.
  • WatchJoshLift
    WatchJoshLift Posts: 520 Member
    edited November 2014
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    sm1zzle wrote: »
    It's really sad to me that all these so-called "documentaries" and theories which point to an outside source (carbs, sugar, processed foods, meat, etc.) and blames that source for weight gain gets so many followers who are ready to embrace a crutch rather than take personal responsibility for their own actions. *sigh*


    I agree with your point about blaming others...but your argument is like saying there is nothing wrong with heroin, and in fact it should be legal so people, who can moderate their heroin usage, can do so at their leisure.


    Are you REALLY comparing heroin to sugar, and are you suggesting that sugar should be illegal because people can't control themselves around it? The absurdity!
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
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    AJ_G wrote: »
    AJ_G wrote: »
    I really don't like all the snark that's why I stay away from the forums. Stay positive and follow your own intuition and data about what makes you feel good. I started out on here 3 years ago eating a standard american diet. Now I'm a vegan and eat no processed foods or refined sugars and I feel so much better and my overall fitness has improved as well.

    Or you can go ahead and trust science and facts instead of how you feel...

    Congrats on eating vegan and staying away from processed foods for no logical reason...

    The facts are in the movie. And in everything in the scientific journals that tells you a plant based diet is the best for overall health and cancer prevention. Sorry if you find that threatening. yeash. Enjoy being so right all the time

    Please show me one credible source that shows that a plant based diet is better for health and cancer prevention, just one, and please please please don't show me a correlation study.

    I can show at least one that indicate that milk is very good for LBM retention in women who resistance train :p
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
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    AJ_G wrote: »
    I really don't like all the snark that's why I stay away from the forums. Stay positive and follow your own intuition and data about what makes you feel good. I started out on here 3 years ago eating a standard american diet. Now I'm a vegan and eat no processed foods or refined sugars and I feel so much better and my overall fitness has improved as well.

    Or you can go ahead and trust science and facts instead of how you feel...

    Congrats on eating vegan and staying away from processed foods for no logical reason...

    The facts are in the movie. And in everything in the scientific journals that tells you a plant based diet is the best for overall health and cancer prevention. Sorry if you find that threatening. yeash. Enjoy being so right all the time

    What facts are these?

    No, everything in the scientific journals does NOT tell you eating vegan and staying away from processed foods or refined sugar is best for overall health and cancer prevention.


  • sm1zzle
    sm1zzle Posts: 920 Member
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    Run_Fit wrote: »
    sm1zzle wrote: »
    It's really sad to me that all these so-called "documentaries" and theories which point to an outside source (carbs, sugar, processed foods, meat, etc.) and blames that source for weight gain gets so many followers who are ready to embrace a crutch rather than take personal responsibility for their own actions. *sigh*


    I agree with your point about blaming others...but your argument is like saying there is nothing wrong with heroin, and in fact it should be legal so people, who can moderate their heroin usage, can do so at their leisure.


    Are you REALLY comparing heroin to sugar, and are you suggesting that sugar should be illegal because people can't control themselves around it? The absurdity!

    Are you trying to argue that there's nothing wrong with sugar ?


  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
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    I'm 42 and I can say with all certainty that it's a lot harder to lose weight now then it was when I was in my twenties!
    I lost the weight after both my pregnancies and my body bounced back and looked like it did before babies. Now I've lost weight again and body does not look the same as it did back then!!

    Thank you. You can see what I've been talking about. :)

    I am 5 years older...and I do not have this issue.

    Oh wait, I have lucky genetics.
  • WatchJoshLift
    WatchJoshLift Posts: 520 Member
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    sm1zzle wrote: »
    Run_Fit wrote: »
    sm1zzle wrote: »
    It's really sad to me that all these so-called "documentaries" and theories which point to an outside source (carbs, sugar, processed foods, meat, etc.) and blames that source for weight gain gets so many followers who are ready to embrace a crutch rather than take personal responsibility for their own actions. *sigh*


    I agree with your point about blaming others...but your argument is like saying there is nothing wrong with heroin, and in fact it should be legal so people, who can moderate their heroin usage, can do so at their leisure.


    Are you REALLY comparing heroin to sugar, and are you suggesting that sugar should be illegal because people can't control themselves around it? The absurdity!

    Are you trying to argue that there's nothing wrong with sugar ?


    The problem isn't with sugar, the problem is with people who can't control themselves.
  • AJ_G
    AJ_G Posts: 4,158 Member
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    Sarauk2sf wrote: »
    AJ_G wrote: »
    AJ_G wrote: »
    I really don't like all the snark that's why I stay away from the forums. Stay positive and follow your own intuition and data about what makes you feel good. I started out on here 3 years ago eating a standard american diet. Now I'm a vegan and eat no processed foods or refined sugars and I feel so much better and my overall fitness has improved as well.

    Or you can go ahead and trust science and facts instead of how you feel...

    Congrats on eating vegan and staying away from processed foods for no logical reason...

    The facts are in the movie. And in everything in the scientific journals that tells you a plant based diet is the best for overall health and cancer prevention. Sorry if you find that threatening. yeash. Enjoy being so right all the time

    Please show me one credible source that shows that a plant based diet is better for health and cancer prevention, just one, and please please please don't show me a correlation study.

    I can show at least one that indicate that milk is very good for LBM retention in women who resistance train :p

    I've seen every argument from vegans about why animal products are bad for you, and they're all laughable. Animal based protein sources have the best and most complete amino acid profile that you can find anywhere. Yes most animal based foods come with cholesterol, but as we know, dietary cholesterol has a very small impact on blood cholesterol levels. The most hilarious piece of vegan propaganda that I've ever seen is "Forks over Knives". I literally laughed out loud while watching it.
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
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    sm1zzle wrote: »
    Run_Fit wrote: »
    sm1zzle wrote: »
    It's really sad to me that all these so-called "documentaries" and theories which point to an outside source (carbs, sugar, processed foods, meat, etc.) and blames that source for weight gain gets so many followers who are ready to embrace a crutch rather than take personal responsibility for their own actions. *sigh*


    I agree with your point about blaming others...but your argument is like saying there is nothing wrong with heroin, and in fact it should be legal so people, who can moderate their heroin usage, can do so at their leisure.


    Are you REALLY comparing heroin to sugar, and are you suggesting that sugar should be illegal because people can't control themselves around it? The absurdity!

    Are you trying to argue that there's nothing wrong with sugar ?


    yes, I believe we are.

    over consumption of calories leads to obesity….

    you can get 100% of your diet from sugar, be in a deficit, and lose weight. Just google the twinkie diet….
  • sm1zzle
    sm1zzle Posts: 920 Member
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    sm1zzle wrote: »
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    sm1zzle wrote: »
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    I really don't like all the snark that's why I stay away from the forums. Stay positive and follow your own intuition and data about what makes you feel good. I started out on here 3 years ago eating a standard american diet. Now I'm a vegan and eat no processed foods or refined sugars and I feel so much better and my overall fitness has improved as well.

    i would be curious what "data" you have that our society is somehow built around a sugar addiction, and what data you have about mentioned "sugar addiction"….

    You don't think our society has a sugar addiction ?

    no I don't…

    society has an overeating/laziness problem…sugar has nothing to do with it.


    I would argue that many people over eat in part because of the addiction to sugar.

    When people sit and pound 8-12 sodas in a day they are doing it because they are craving that soda....they are craving that sugar.

    I would say that at the end of the day it is still the person's fault because they are not strong enough to resist the addiction, but there is no doubt that it is in fact an addiction to sugar.

    An addict will do anything in order to feed their addiction. If what you say is true, then sugar addicts would be stealing sweets from the store, stealing money to buy sweets, and digging sweets out of the trash.

    It is not an addiction if it is selective.

    The addict does not have to steal from the store. Food/drink with sugar is plentiful at the store and it is very, very low cost... so why would any one steal something that is everywhere ?

    People do many things to feed that addiction... such as choosing to not eat healthy and instead eat foods that are heavy in sugar, not drink water and instead drink fountain soda after fountain soda, etc.

    People are choosing to do that no doubt, but people also choose to do heroin, crack, and cocaine.

  • sm1zzle
    sm1zzle Posts: 920 Member
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    Run_Fit wrote: »
    sm1zzle wrote: »
    Run_Fit wrote: »
    sm1zzle wrote: »
    It's really sad to me that all these so-called "documentaries" and theories which point to an outside source (carbs, sugar, processed foods, meat, etc.) and blames that source for weight gain gets so many followers who are ready to embrace a crutch rather than take personal responsibility for their own actions. *sigh*


    I agree with your point about blaming others...but your argument is like saying there is nothing wrong with heroin, and in fact it should be legal so people, who can moderate their heroin usage, can do so at their leisure.


    Are you REALLY comparing heroin to sugar, and are you suggesting that sugar should be illegal because people can't control themselves around it? The absurdity!

    Are you trying to argue that there's nothing wrong with sugar ?


    The problem isn't with sugar, the problem is with people who can't control themselves.

    So heroin is ok then ?
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
    edited November 2014
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    sm1zzle wrote: »
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    sm1zzle wrote: »
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    I really don't like all the snark that's why I stay away from the forums. Stay positive and follow your own intuition and data about what makes you feel good. I started out on here 3 years ago eating a standard american diet. Now I'm a vegan and eat no processed foods or refined sugars and I feel so much better and my overall fitness has improved as well.

    i would be curious what "data" you have that our society is somehow built around a sugar addiction, and what data you have about mentioned "sugar addiction"….

    You don't think our society has a sugar addiction ?

    no I don't…

    society has an overeating/laziness problem…sugar has nothing to do with it.


    I would argue that many people over eat in part because of the addiction to sugar.

    When people sit and pound 8-12 sodas in a day they are doing it because they are craving that soda....they are craving that sugar.

    I would say that at the end of the day it is still the person's fault because they are not strong enough to resist the addiction, but there is no doubt that it is in fact an addiction to sugar.


    Many people overeat due to highly palatable convenient food. Often highly palatable = calorie dense.

    Why does sugar always get the blame? They add fats to make food more palatable also.
  • AJ_G
    AJ_G Posts: 4,158 Member
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    sm1zzle wrote: »
    Run_Fit wrote: »
    sm1zzle wrote: »
    Run_Fit wrote: »
    sm1zzle wrote: »
    It's really sad to me that all these so-called "documentaries" and theories which point to an outside source (carbs, sugar, processed foods, meat, etc.) and blames that source for weight gain gets so many followers who are ready to embrace a crutch rather than take personal responsibility for their own actions. *sigh*


    I agree with your point about blaming others...but your argument is like saying there is nothing wrong with heroin, and in fact it should be legal so people, who can moderate their heroin usage, can do so at their leisure.


    Are you REALLY comparing heroin to sugar, and are you suggesting that sugar should be illegal because people can't control themselves around it? The absurdity!

    Are you trying to argue that there's nothing wrong with sugar ?


    The problem isn't with sugar, the problem is with people who can't control themselves.

    So heroin is ok then ?

    I don't get how you think using that argument is ok? That's downright disgraceful...