Let's Talk Steaks
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Naw, don't judge off of me, I used to be a pro, now I'm just a pro-am mucker.
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Sous vide is a good tool, but in the hands of an oaf it is overdone. I've been doing it hillbilly style for a while, I'd like a legit unit finally.
The longer you let it hang, the more tender it gets. You can also get a little of this from an enzyme you find in papaya.
Here in the US in general, I think beef is generally sub 1 week old when it gets to the market. Just too young for a good flavor, which is why even supermarket beef gets damn good after aging.
I have a sansaire immersion circulator, works well. I'll use a 4.75 gal cambro for large or long cooking projects and just a pot if it's something like chicken breast.
Any tips or ideas you have, I'd dig. Any books for research as well.
I have this in the mail:
http://www.williams-sonoma.com/products/polyscience-sous-vide-professional-creative-series/0 -
Rib eye. Grilled, salt, pepper, a little onion powder.
The only beef I eat now (since being on MFP) is rib eye steak.
Well worth the calories and a culinary treat for me now.0 -
The thread on eating in restaurants led to some interesting contributions on steaks, so let's talk steak.
What cut(s) is(are) your preference? - Rib Eye or New York Strip
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How do you prepare it usually? Grilled. BLUE please! (It is SO HARD to get restaurants to figure this one out)
How do you prepare for just a few people versus for a bunch? Grilled. And depending on how they want theirs cooked ours usually go on last
Do you prefer the oven or a Dutch oven like Le Creuset on the stovetop? Grill
Do you marinate? Nope. Maybe throw on some Montreal Steak seasoning but typically nothing
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So goddess- I think I'm reading you like your steaks grilled?
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Sous vide is a good tool, but in the hands of an oaf it is overdone. I've been doing it hillbilly style for a while, I'd like a legit unit finally.
The longer you let it hang, the more tender it gets. You can also get a little of this from an enzyme you find in papaya.
Here in the US in general, I think beef is generally sub 1 week old when it gets to the market. Just too young for a good flavor, which is why even supermarket beef gets damn good after aging.
I have a sansaire immersion circulator, works well. I'll use a 4.75 gal cambro for large or long cooking projects and just a pot if it's something like chicken breast.
Any tips or ideas you have, I'd dig. Any books for research as well.
I have this in the mail:
http://www.williams-sonoma.com/products/polyscience-sous-vide-professional-creative-series/
For longer cooking projects, use tinfoil to cover the cambro.
As for vacuum sealing things, you have 3 options, use baggies, a foodsaver type vacuum or the much more expensive chamber vacuum sealer which can seal liquids. Honestly I prob use baggies most often, it's quick and easy and cheap
Books wise, Under pressure from Thomas Keller, the modernist cuisine and modernist cuisine at home books
http://www.cookingissues.com/primers/sous-vide/
https://www.chefsteps.com/classes/sous-vide-cooking/landing
http://www.chefsteps.com/sous-vide-collection
http://www.chefsteps.com/activities/sous-vide-pastrami0 -
For Christmas dinner, my dad brought a 4 pound tenderloin roast (we only ended up cooking 2.5 pounds of it). We did a rub with salt, pepper, Beau Monde seasoning, garlic powder, onion powder, and paprika. Cooked it on high temperature (450 degrees) for 10 minutes in the oven; then turned down to 330 and cooked for an additional 40 minutes (my oven is a convection, so it cooks a bit faster than a regular oven). It was probably the best meat I have ever had in my entire life. He paid a lot for it, though, got it at a market in Rhode Island for $25 per pound. Worth every penny. I have three large tenderloin steaks left that I cannot wait to cook Wednesday night
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I have a sealer, and an eye on a chamber sealer one of these days. Depends on if I ever get back into catering or not.
I was thinking of making up a neoprene insulator for the cambros I will use, and then yeah, a little aluminum for a lid is a great idea.
Checking those links and books, thanks.
GoA - I've learned that if they don't understand blue, they may know the term Cleveland. Which should not be confused with a variant of a steamer.0 -
so I had to double check "blue" I was pretty sure I knew what it was- but it lead me to this article... which I'm wildly amused at currently
http://www.colinmcnulty.com/blog/2007/06/05/how-to-cook-a-blue-steak/
edit- I'm interested because what he posts as a "blue" steak I would have just considered rare.
Blue to mean is much more raw looking than that- but perhaps- it's b/c I have different steaks- so the consistency looks different... if mine are "blue" the meat isn't even pink- it's purple almost. hence- the term (which I accurately thought)- blue.0 -
Hm, that's a rare steak. He don't know what the blue be, cap'n.
A nice rare new york with some thick yummy thighs. That's a dinner.
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I'm not actually sure on the internal temp for a blue steak, 110? 100?
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The thread that keeps on giving... And nobody is fighting either for once. *lets out a pleased sigh*0
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Agreed.Hm, that's a rare steak. He don't know what the blue be, cap'n.
A nice rare new york with some thick yummy thighs. That's a dinner.
also- interesting- Pittsburgh- black and blue- also a term. - which is either warm or cold internal- internal temp isn't relevant honestly- it's raw inside- and charred outside.
- talking about a min on each side essentially.0 -
apparations wrote: »
By time you take it out of the package it's already done! LOL.
If I find a waiter who doesn't know blue I'll ask to talk to the chef (which there is one place where the chef still can't get it right so I don't bother ordering steak) OR I'll just flip my hand back and forth, make a sizzling noise and say "done". At least though if you order it blue and it they overcook it it's *sort of* edible, meaning it's not well done.
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goddessofawesome wrote: »apparations wrote: »
By time you take it out of the package it's already done! LOL.
If I find a waiter who doesn't know blue I'll ask to talk to the chef (which there is one place where the chef still can't get it right so I don't bother ordering steak) OR I'll just flip my hand back and forth, make a sizzling noise and say "done". At least though if you order it blue and it they overcook it it's *sort of* edible, meaning it's not well done.
heh.
I pretty much only order rare at this point- because at generic chains/stations- odds are they will over cook it- and even if it's medium rare- I'll still take it. I won't eat medium and lower though.
I had a friend order it this way
" leave it on the grill for the bare minimum of legal cook time on each side- however many seconds- then bring it to me" Seems to be the right way to express to them the way she wanted it. I like the hand flip sizzle sizzle thing- that might do the trick. Everyone understands that!0 -
Agreed.Hm, that's a rare steak. He don't know what the blue be, cap'n.
A nice rare new york with some thick yummy thighs. That's a dinner.
also- interesting- Pittsburgh- black and blue- also a term. - which is either warm or cold internal- internal temp isn't relevant honestly- it's raw inside- and charred outside.
- talking about a min on each side essentially.
That's how I would do them over the mesquite grill we used back when I was pro. Now it's a little longer on the stove, but yup. I was looking at my weber last night, and wondering how it would do with a few firestones in it and a blower to get the heat up, see if I could hit a 700-800F grill temp.0 -
I ain't fraid of no ghost, or sending it back if not precisely as ordered.I pretty much only order rare at this point- because at generic chains/stations- odds are they will over cook it- and even if it's medium rare- I'll still take it.
There was this steakhouse in Cheyenne, WY I went to once. I ordered a porterhouse blue, and asked for a little montreal steak seasoning on top, because why not. Had never had it before.
Comes out to the table, still room temp in the middle, perfect. The expediter shows up, takes the plate. They forgot the steak seasoning, so refired the whole damn thing. 5 minutes later a new steak with the seasoning appears and a written apology from the grill guy.
I was like whoa... they take steak more serious than I.
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what little I read a lot of places can't get hot enough to do a proper black and blue- never really considered the temp of the range honestly- I'm kind of just a "get it done" kind of person_ i wonder if I can figure out the temp on my gas stove with the cast iron on it. BF dearest turns out decent steaks on it- we don't have an outside grill (YET!) -so all on the cast iron inside.0
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I ain't fraid of no ghost, or sending it back if not precisely as ordered.
I am leery of sending stuff back at restaurants -- even nice ones. The ONLY time I will do that is if the server can clearly see that what I ordered isn't right and then they're the ones sending it back, not me. There have been plenty of times where the server looks, says "That's not how you ordered it." and proceeds to take it back for me.0 -
Cuts, in this order: tenderloin, strip, porterhouse
Grilled... always grilled.
Generally only for myself, occasionally for a small group/family.
No marinade, only salt and pepper, maybe a little olive oil.
IMO, if a steak needs more than salt and pepper, it's either poorly prepared, poorly cut, or both.
This! I love to taste my meat, not the sauce/marinade it has been cooked/dipped in.
Never had a porterhouse, but Tenderloins and NY Strips are staples in my house.
Cooked Med-Rare... More on the rare side
Only cook for my family of 4. Never others.
I could eat steak everyday! Love it!0 -
I ain't fraid of no ghost, or sending it back if not precisely as ordered.I pretty much only order rare at this point- because at generic chains/stations- odds are they will over cook it- and even if it's medium rare- I'll still take it.
There was this steakhouse in Cheyenne, WY I went to once. I ordered a porterhouse blue, and asked for a little montreal steak seasoning on top, because why not. Had never had it before.
Comes out to the table, still room temp in the middle, perfect. The expediter shows up, takes the plate. They forgot the steak seasoning, so refired the whole damn thing. 5 minutes later a new steak with the seasoning appears and a written apology from the grill guy.
I was like whoa... they take steak more serious than I.
that's impressive.
It has to be REALLY bad for me to send it back- like REALLY bad.
I don't mind telling them- but I'll still eat it usually- my brother's a chef- I know better- secondly I hate wasting food.
I was somewhere once- and I lied about the steak to the bus person who brought it out and my actual waitress saw the look on my face when I took a bite and came over and said- no really- how is it- I was like dude look at this- it's well done- and I asked for medium rare/rare. She sent it back for me and said they need to learn- they sent me another one that was still like medium- not anywhere near pink- it was embarrassing for them.
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The thread on eating in restaurants led to some interesting contributions on steaks, so let's talk steak.
I'm particularly interested in the more affordable cuts that can be taken to new heights in recipes such as bœuf bourguignon!
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Should this be in recipes? Might have had a brain fart, sorry.
What cut(s) is(are) your preference? We usually get a tenderloin or boneless ribeye and have them precut into 4-6oz steaks
How do you prepare it usually? If I cook it just for me I rub it with avocado oil and tiny bit of salt and pepper and throw it on the george foreman grill. If my husband makes it he covers it in all sorts of junk and stays in the kitchen for hours until he emerges with a pretty steak and a plume of smoke.
How do you prepare for just a few people versus for a bunch? If it's more than the two of us, he will grill it on an outdoor grill.
Do you prefer the oven or a Dutch oven like Le Creuset on the stovetop? We have a cast iron dutch oven, I would not have thought to use it for steak. I must try that. I use the sad plug in grill, my husband sears it on the stovetop in a cast iron grill skillet and finishes it in the oven.
Do you marinate? I don't like to, it takes aways from it's meat taste.
Other tips and comments? There are a ton of different rub recipes around, some of them work well, some really don't. I hate to see a good steak ruined by a bad rub, but I suppose experimenting is how you find what works.
Cheap cuts of beef can be helped by tenderizing and adding in extra fat. The best burger I've had was made by someone who ground up a cheaper sirloin with stick butter in the food processor.
Also there's always schnitzel, there's no cut of meat that some jaeger sauce and mushrooms won't help.
Or merely want to declare your steak love? Steak and I are platonic friends, I'm more of a seafood lover.
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I know a good deal of still active cooks.goddessofawesome wrote: »I am leery of sending stuff back at restaurants -- even nice ones.
Why would you be leery? Or I guess a better question is, why would you eat at a place where you would be leery?
If I'm going to sit down and pay $50, $75, or more for a piece of meat, and I order it wrong. It's on me. If I order it a particular way, am told that it's not a problem, and then don't receive what I requested, I'm not going to be so daft or wasteful of my own resources to keep it, and have a less than optimal dining experience.
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Ah schnitzel. I love that approach to meat. "Hans, our meat is tough, what should we do?"
"Wilhelm, use my hammer. I'll prepare the flour and oil."0 -
goddessofawesome wrote: »I ain't fraid of no ghost, or sending it back if not precisely as ordered.
I am leery of sending stuff back at restaurants -- even nice ones. The ONLY time I will do that is if the server can clearly see that what I ordered isn't right and then they're the ones sending it back, not me. There have been plenty of times where the server looks, says "That's not how you ordered it." and proceeds to take it back for me.
I was told by my neighbor who worked at a steakhouse, that they would purposely undercook steaks and want you to send it back to have it cooked longer. That way, they are not wasting meat by overcooking.0 -
rhenry2424 wrote: »goddessofawesome wrote: »I ain't fraid of no ghost, or sending it back if not precisely as ordered.
I am leery of sending stuff back at restaurants -- even nice ones. The ONLY time I will do that is if the server can clearly see that what I ordered isn't right and then they're the ones sending it back, not me. There have been plenty of times where the server looks, says "That's not how you ordered it." and proceeds to take it back for me.
I was told by my neighbor who worked at a steakhouse, that they would purposely undercook steaks and want you to send it back to have it cooked longer. That way, they are not wasting meat by overcooking.
I wish they would not do that! It drives me crazy when I want to enjoy my food and some waiter will stand there and insist that we 'cut into it and check the temperature' before they leave.
I've never sent anything back, I will either eat it or leave it and not go back if it's messed up badly enough.
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I know a good deal of still active cooks.goddessofawesome wrote: »I am leery of sending stuff back at restaurants -- even nice ones.
Why would you be leery? Or I guess a better question is, why would you eat at a place where you would be leery?
If I'm going to sit down and pay $50, $75, or more for a piece of meat, and I order it wrong. It's on me. If I order it a particular way, am told that it's not a problem, and then don't receive what I requested, I'm not going to be so daft or wasteful of my own resources to keep it, and have a less than optimal dining experience.
difference between a 20 $ steak and a 75$ steak- odds are the 75$ steak is going to come out closer to on point than a 20$ steak. If my 75$ steak comes out over cooked- I'm probably going to point it out.
If my 20$ steak comes out a little more over cooked- I'm not sending it back- I have zero expectations for a great meal.
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Ribeye for me, or tenderloin... medium rare to medium... Simply rubbed with some olive oil and sprinkled with some salt and pepper (fresh cracked). If it's a THICK steak, then I'll marinade it in some Dale's marinade that's diluted with a little olive oil.0
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