Does Anyone Notice The Rampant Negativity Here?
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jofjltncb6 wrote: »LOLwut?
:huh:
Ooooh...or the other option, of course. Troll.
Are you new here?
And in what way is calling me names for not understanding your post an example of the positivity you wish to see in others?
You claim the negativity is a problem. I disagree and ask that you provide examples because I haven't seen them. Your response is to say I must be new because I haven't seen these examples you claim are so widespread.
Which reminds me...that I believe a common problem in disagreements in the forums here is a failure to use basic logic (in addition to an inability/unwillingness to provide support for even the most basic assertions).
I know the more mature path is to ignore outrageous statements, like the one you made about eating kilograms of sugar. But I can't seem to help myself...
As much as I like being called willfully ignorant...You made a claim that sugar is only turned into fat when consumed in kilogram amounts, a remark you later admitted was hyperbole. I countered and presented science-based links showing that human beings can indeed turn any calories we are capable of digesting into fat (carbohydrate, excluding soluble fiber, protein, and fat). Even when excess sugar consumption (and the example you gave was excessive, and not an example of a calorie deficit for most) does not go directly to fat, it encourages the body to store more fat, and thus leads to fat gain. The "common knowledge" that the body stores excess sugar as fat is a simplification, but it is a common message:
http://www.livestrong.com/article/408673-does-sugar-turn-into-fat/
"High Blood Sugar Leads to High Body Fat
According to the National Council on Strength and Fitness, the two most common sources of carbohydrates in the American diet are high-fructose corn syrup and sucrose. These refined sugars, which are added to many foods, lack the vitamins, minerals, proteins and fiber found in complex carbohydrates. These "empty calories" can cause blood sugar levels to spike, which in turn causes insulin levels to rise. Insulin is a hormone released by the body that helps regulate blood sugar levels. If sugar is not quickly used for energy, insulin removes it from the blood, and it is then converted into triglycerides in the liver. These triglycerides can then be stored as body fat."
http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20080731/fructose-may-make-you-fatter
"They found that lipogenesis -- the process by which sugars are turned to body fat -- increased significantly when the breakfast drinks contained fructose.
In addition, the study suggested that when fructose is eaten with fat or before fat is consumed, the fat is more likely to be stored rather than burned, Parks says."
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/issa14.htm
"Once the fructose (fruit sugar) enters the liver and liver glycogen is already full, then it cannot be used by the muscles for glycogen or energy production.
It is converted to fat and released back into the bloodstream to be stored as adipose tissue. "
http://ideas.time.com/2012/12/27/what-you-need-to-know-about-sugar/
"Myth 2. Fructose is turned into glucose in the body.
Maybe. If you’re energy depleted (i.e. an elite athlete), fructose can be converted to glycogen (liver starch) as a storehouse for ready energy, which can then be fished out of your liver if your body needs glucose in the future (for more exercise or if you’re starving). But most of us aren’t energy depleted, so fructose gets turned into liver fat, driving insulin resistance."
That the body turns excess sugar into fat is the message that is given out by pretty much any "plain speech" source out there.
If my ignorance (backed up by the studies I've found) bothers you, please point me to current research that says that sugar consumed in excess rarely becomes body fat.
(quotes have been shortened so reply could be posted.
December 30, 2014 8:35PM Flag Quote ·
fearlessleader104
fearlessleader104
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We are all going to die!!!!!!!
Nope...not new here. And unfortunately I now see the irony of this entire thread because, of course, it has (inevitably) turned into a thread of animated gifs, name calling/know-it-all remarks, etc. This is just a brief example from someone asking a question about sugar on the forums just now.
Most threads that have >5 pages have several posts along these lines. I say "most" to avoid the perception I'm making a blanket statements that there is absolutely NO helpful information in the forums...not true-there can be. And, as someone has pointed out already, a lot of times that helpful information is overlooked because of the drama (see above) of other posters...whether they create an account to stir up conflict or they really do believe that eating nothing but protein powder and drinking lemon juice will really be the answers to everyone's problems...it seems unavoidable that many originally legitimate questions will evolve into this sort of mayhem...funny though the gifs may be.I know the more mature path is to ignore outrageous statements, like the one you made about eating kilograms of sugar. But I can't seem to help myself...
As much as I like being called willfully ignorant...You made a claim that sugar is only turned into fat when consumed in kilogram amounts, a remark you later admitted was hyperbole.
Huh?
You *must* provide an example of this...because I don't remember this exchange at all.
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has this been posted yet?
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diannethegeek wrote: »Wait, did a mean people thread just become a sugar thread?
Thats what I thought- I had to double check the title to make sure I was in the right place. The sugar threads are invading!
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I think most people are ok, although there is always someone on a thread that has to put down the OP.0
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diannethegeek wrote: »Wait, did a mean people thread just become a sugar thread?
I sincerely don't know what's going on in here.
At least now I understand her feelings towards me...that it's entirely personal from a thread long ago...but a) I don't remember that exchange at all, and b) if I was involved in it, there seems to be a misunderstanding.
If it's b), I probably said that excess calories lead to weight gain regardless of the composition/source of the calories...and she turned it into...whatever that is with the links to livestrong.com and bodybuilding.com.
TL;DR - Wow. Just wow.0 -
Um, what the heck?jofjltncb6 wrote: »LOLwut?
:huh:
Ooooh...or the other option, of course. Troll.
Are you new here?
And in what way is calling me names for not understanding your post an example of the positivity you wish to see in others?
You claim the negativity is a problem. I disagree and ask that you provide examples because I haven't seen them. Your response is to say I must be new because I haven't seen these examples you claim are so widespread.
Which reminds me...that I believe a common problem in disagreements in the forums here is a failure to use basic logic (in addition to an inability/unwillingness to provide support for even the most basic assertions).
I know the more mature path is to ignore outrageous statements, like the one you made about eating kilograms of sugar. But I can't seem to help myself...
As much as I like being called willfully ignorant...You made a claim that sugar is only turned into fat when consumed in kilogram amounts, a remark you later admitted was hyperbole. I countered and presented science-based links showing that human beings can indeed turn any calories we are capable of digesting into fat (carbohydrate, excluding soluble fiber, protein, and fat). Even when excess sugar consumption (and the example you gave was excessive, and not an example of a calorie deficit for most) does not go directly to fat, it encourages the body to store more fat, and thus leads to fat gain. The "common knowledge" that the body stores excess sugar as fat is a simplification, but it is a common message:
http://www.livestrong.com/article/408673-does-sugar-turn-into-fat/
"High Blood Sugar Leads to High Body Fat
According to the National Council on Strength and Fitness, the two most common sources of carbohydrates in the American diet are high-fructose corn syrup and sucrose. These refined sugars, which are added to many foods, lack the vitamins, minerals, proteins and fiber found in complex carbohydrates. These "empty calories" can cause blood sugar levels to spike, which in turn causes insulin levels to rise. Insulin is a hormone released by the body that helps regulate blood sugar levels. If sugar is not quickly used for energy, insulin removes it from the blood, and it is then converted into triglycerides in the liver. These triglycerides can then be stored as body fat."
http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20080731/fructose-may-make-you-fatter
"They found that lipogenesis -- the process by which sugars are turned to body fat -- increased significantly when the breakfast drinks contained fructose.
In addition, the study suggested that when fructose is eaten with fat or before fat is consumed, the fat is more likely to be stored rather than burned, Parks says."
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/issa14.htm
"Once the fructose (fruit sugar) enters the liver and liver glycogen is already full, then it cannot be used by the muscles for glycogen or energy production.
It is converted to fat and released back into the bloodstream to be stored as adipose tissue. "
http://ideas.time.com/2012/12/27/what-you-need-to-know-about-sugar/
"Myth 2. Fructose is turned into glucose in the body.
Maybe. If you’re energy depleted (i.e. an elite athlete), fructose can be converted to glycogen (liver starch) as a storehouse for ready energy, which can then be fished out of your liver if your body needs glucose in the future (for more exercise or if you’re starving). But most of us aren’t energy depleted, so fructose gets turned into liver fat, driving insulin resistance."
That the body turns excess sugar into fat is the message that is given out by pretty much any "plain speech" source out there.
If my ignorance (backed up by the studies I've found) bothers you, please point me to current research that says that sugar consumed in excess rarely becomes body fat. (quotes have been shortened so reply could be posted.
December 30, 2014 8:35PM Flag Quote ·
fearlessleader104
fearlessleader104
Posts: 414
Member
We are all going to die!!!!!!!
Nope...not new here. And unfortunately I now see the irony of this entire thread because, of course, it has (inevitably) turned into a thread of animated gifs, name calling/know-it-all remarks, etc. This is just a brief example from someone asking a question about sugar on the forums just now.
Most threads that have >5 pages have several posts along these lines. I say "most" to avoid the perception I'm making a blanket statements that there is absolutely NO helpful information in the forums...not true-there can be. And, as someone has pointed out already, a lot of times that helpful information is overlooked because of the drama (see above) of other posters...whether they create an account to stir up conflict or they really do believe that eating nothing but protein powder and drinking lemon juice will really be the answers to everyone's problems...it seems unavoidable that many originally legitimate questions will evolve into this sort of mayhem...funny though the gifs may be.
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well, what's going on in this thread?
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I like how these threads end: one of the people complaining about mean people ends up telling the so-called mean people to **** off.
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yepp i hear U and understand you 100 %! this is not how it was, but you know what i've realize it's the same people that pretty troll around on every post, like really it's so obvious the same people, they read a post and don't ever care to help or answer what is that the OP have ask, and only focus in one idea or line and start firing back.
i just ignore it and you know what they say "be the change you want to be see in the world" and for me that include be kind and respectful with someone who doesn't matter if on other side of the world on a computer that i have no clue who is it
but again thank god there are still a lot of really amazing people here
Uh huh, and then...
So, "the change you want to see in the world," is passive aggressively insulting people? I always find it amusing when these threads pop up, the people complaining about how others are mean have no problem at all insulting people with no provocation. I guess it's only mean when someone else is doing it?Welcome to the world of social media. Negativity, trolling and general inhumanity has become the natural order of things. I feel your pain and understand where you are coming from.
yess i see that so commonly people who become lion king when they are on a social media but in real like are little *kitten* cats who wouldn't dear to say not even close what they say behind a computer
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williams969 wrote: »
LOL. Party it up! Down the rabbit hole we go...0 -
Cranquistador wrote: »
Water stainz?ThickMcRunFast wrote: »well, what's going on in this thread?
can a sister get a trigger warning? Sheesh.0 -
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williams969 wrote: »
LOL. Party it up! Down the rabbit hole we go...
AHHHHHHH! LOL, I was a good girl, and got my workout in earlier today and all the house chores done. I've got all night to be entertained by MFP!0 -
Is that hand porn?0
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