Eating VERY clean and tons of protein but still hungry
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No. You got the science, the math or both wrong.Food = energy ...yes, or no
Are you seriously suggesting that you have taken a college-level A&P class?
apparently, some people do not understand basic human anatomy and how food is used for energy.0 -
You continue to insist that the only thing food gives us is energy. You keep going on about food and energy being the same.WalkingAlong wrote: »Food does actually contain energy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_transformation
I don't think anyone misunderstands that we get energy from food.
so then why the argument over food = energy?
are you saying yes now? Or are you still disputing it?
You are wrong.0 -
Tell us some more about how you are well-versed in nutrition.WalkingAlong wrote: »
Do you understand the difference between these two statements?WalkingAlong wrote: »Food does actually contain energy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_transformation
I don't think anyone misunderstands that we get energy from food.
so then why the argument over food = energy?
are you saying yes now? Or are you still disputing it?
Food provides energy.
Food's sole function is to provide energy.
You talk as if no one else does.
so what else does food do when you eat it? food provides humans with energy that is how we nourish ourselves..
what other "function" does food provide?
What do you think the textbooks are filled with? If your "Food provides energy. That's it." idea was correct, there wouldn't be a single book written on the subject. Not one.
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1660 is okay, IMO if you're going to eat back your exercise calories - you could get away with more and still lose, if you wanted to.
If you're sticking with that goal, could you do with less carbs? Protein and fat can be more filling and as a poster above said, carbs that are high in fibre will fill you up too.
edit: most people, starting off, will go for the '2lb a week loss' option. IMO that's fine but if you're feeling deprived and end up binging it could take you longer anyway. If you're hungry with the deficit you have and don't think you'll stick with it, try 1lb a week.
This. Even if it takes longer, it isn't a race. There would be weeks I wanted to eat more, so I changed my goal from 1 pound to a 1/2 pound a week. I enjoyed the extra calories. Also, up your protein. Try to eat protein rich foods and snacks to help with hunger. Some Greek yogurt or cottage cheese satisfies better than cookies or chips (not saying you eat like that). Good luck.
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WalkingAlong wrote: »
Do you understand the difference between these two statements?WalkingAlong wrote: »Food does actually contain energy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_transformation
I don't think anyone misunderstands that we get energy from food.
so then why the argument over food = energy?
are you saying yes now? Or are you still disputing it?
Food provides energy.
Food's sole function is to provide energy.
You talk as if no one else does.
so what else does food do when you eat it? food provides humans with energy that is how we nourish ourselves..
what other "function" does food provide?
Provides vitamins and minerals, curbs hunger, changes moods.....
Helps to regulate your blood pressure...0 -
WalkingAlong wrote: »
Do you understand the difference between these two statements?WalkingAlong wrote: »Food does actually contain energy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_transformation
I don't think anyone misunderstands that we get energy from food.
so then why the argument over food = energy?
are you saying yes now? Or are you still disputing it?
Food provides energy.
Food's sole function is to provide energy.
You talk as if no one else does.
so what else does food do when you eat it? food provides humans with energy that is how we nourish ourselves..
what other "function" does food provide?
Provides vitamins and minerals, curbs hunger, changes moods.....
Helps to regulate your blood pressure...
.....and you get energy from it.0 -
He asked for something other than "providing energy."WalkingAlong wrote: »
Do you understand the difference between these two statements?WalkingAlong wrote: »Food does actually contain energy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_transformation
I don't think anyone misunderstands that we get energy from food.
so then why the argument over food = energy?
are you saying yes now? Or are you still disputing it?
Food provides energy.
Food's sole function is to provide energy.
You talk as if no one else does.
so what else does food do when you eat it? food provides humans with energy that is how we nourish ourselves..
what other "function" does food provide?
Provides vitamins and minerals, curbs hunger, changes moods.....
Helps to regulate your blood pressure...
.....and you get energy from it.
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WalkingAlong wrote: »
Do you understand the difference between these two statements?WalkingAlong wrote: »Food does actually contain energy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_transformation
I don't think anyone misunderstands that we get energy from food.
so then why the argument over food = energy?
are you saying yes now? Or are you still disputing it?
Food provides energy.
Food's sole function is to provide energy.
You talk as if no one else does.
so what else does food do when you eat it? food provides humans with energy that is how we nourish ourselves..
what other "function" does food provide?
Provides vitamins and minerals, curbs hunger, changes moods.....
Helps to regulate your blood pressure...
.....and you get energy from it.
....and minerals, vitamins work together with enzymes to release energy from digested food and regulate the billions of chemical activities that occur in the body every minute of every day.0 -
He'd never heard of Michael Pollan before today.
No. You got the science, the math or both wrong.Food = energy ...yes, or no
Are you seriously suggesting that you have taken a college-level A&P class?
apparently, some people do not understand basic human anatomy and how food is used for energy.
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WalkingAlong wrote: »
Do you understand the difference between these two statements?WalkingAlong wrote: »Food does actually contain energy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_transformation
I don't think anyone misunderstands that we get energy from food.
so then why the argument over food = energy?
are you saying yes now? Or are you still disputing it?
Food provides energy.
Food's sole function is to provide energy.
You talk as if no one else does.
so what else does food do when you eat it? food provides humans with energy that is how we nourish ourselves..
what other "function" does food provide?
Provides vitamins and minerals, curbs hunger, changes moods.....
Helps to regulate your blood pressure...
.....and you get energy from it.
The key word is "and". It isn't whether food provides energy, the debate is whether or not food ONLY provides energy. That's ridiculous in my opinion.
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The nutrition "side of food" is not simply "food for energy."
You are confusing the social aspect of food eating out, dining in a social setting, eating for enjoyment, etc, with the nutritional side of food, which is food for energy. Again, the two are not mutually exclusive.
There is much more to it than "food for energy."
Try not eating for a month and see how you feel ...
then come back and tell if food is energy or not...
If I didn't eat for a month, I would die, but not from loss of energy. My body would still have plenty of fat (energy) on it. Long before I ran out of fat I would suffer from a lack of potassium, leading to heartbeat irregularities and death. We need more than energy to be healthy.
If food is only energy that means -- Bodybuilders who include protein to build and repair muscle (non-energy requirement) are wrong,
- People eating foods rich in calcium, vitamin D, and magnesium to prevent and treat osteoporosis are wrong,
- People eating fiber (which is low in energy) to prevent cancer and appendicitis, and enhance fullness, are wrong
- Diabetics who eat protein with carbohydrates to better manage blood sugar levels are wrong
Just a few of many examples of where food provides us with the mechanical pieces that make up our bodies, and enhance how they work, as well as energy value.
If foods cannot harm us then- There's no point avoiding seafood contaminated with mercury
- Go ahead and eat more than two servings of preserved meat a day (nitrite cancer risk)
- Why not deep fry everything? - One serving of fried food a week linked to 30% higher risk of prostate cancer for men http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/255582.php
The energy value of food is only one part of what we get from it. That is how some foods support micro/macro needs and others don't.0 -
WalkingAlong wrote: »
Do you understand the difference between these two statements?WalkingAlong wrote: »Food does actually contain energy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_transformation
I don't think anyone misunderstands that we get energy from food.
so then why the argument over food = energy?
are you saying yes now? Or are you still disputing it?
Food provides energy.
Food's sole function is to provide energy.
You talk as if no one else does.
so what else does food do when you eat it? food provides humans with energy that is how we nourish ourselves..
what other "function" does food provide?
Provides vitamins and minerals, curbs hunger, changes moods.....
Helps to regulate your blood pressure...
what does our body need to regulate blood pressure???? energy...
so all basic bodily function require energy, yes?0 -
I think he'll discredit all of that, unfortunately.
The nutrition "side of food" is not simply "food for energy."
You are confusing the social aspect of food eating out, dining in a social setting, eating for enjoyment, etc, with the nutritional side of food, which is food for energy. Again, the two are not mutually exclusive.
There is much more to it than "food for energy."
Try not eating for a month and see how you feel ...
then come back and tell if food is energy or not...
If foods cannot harm us then- There's no point avoiding seafood contaminated with mercury
- Go ahead and eat more than two servings of preserved meat a day (nitrite cancer risk)
- Why not deep fry everything? - One serving of fried food a week linked to 30% higher risk of prostate cancer for men http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/255582.php
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WalkingAlong wrote: »
Do you understand the difference between these two statements?WalkingAlong wrote: »Food does actually contain energy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_transformation
I don't think anyone misunderstands that we get energy from food.
so then why the argument over food = energy?
are you saying yes now? Or are you still disputing it?
Food provides energy.
Food's sole function is to provide energy.
You talk as if no one else does.
so what else does food do when you eat it? food provides humans with energy that is how we nourish ourselves..
what other "function" does food provide?
Provides vitamins and minerals, curbs hunger, changes moods.....
Helps to regulate your blood pressure...
.....and you get energy from it.
The key word is "and". It isn't whether food provides energy, the debate is whether or not food ONLY provides energy. That's ridiculous in my opinion.
my assertion was that food = energy ..to which I got several replies that was "false"...
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WalkingAlong wrote: »
He'd never heard of Michael Pollan before today.
No. You got the science, the math or both wrong.Food = energy ...yes, or no
Are you seriously suggesting that you have taken a college-level A&P class?
apparently, some people do not understand basic human anatomy and how food is used for energy.
hmmm I never said that..
I said the new York times is not a peer reviewed source...0 -
allison1983weber wrote: »I am looking for suggestions from people who know how to support someone who's long term goal is to lose 100lbs. I am not looking for an argument. I could eat nurtient dense foods all day or non nutrient dense but I prefer the healthier choices. They make me feel better.
I, too, have 100lbs to lose. In fact, you and I are almost at the same weight! I have found that raw broccoli and TONS of water help keep me full. I also add flax seeds to foods to help. Also, eat every 3 hours. Meal, snack, meal, snack meal. I have PCOS, I work out 6 days a week following Jaime Eason's Live Fit 12 week plan, and do cardio every day (every other day is HIIT), and am seeing great results. You have my support!
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But he's so much smarter than we are! How is that possible?WalkingAlong wrote: »
He'd never heard of Michael Pollan before today.
No. You got the science, the math or both wrong.Food = energy ...yes, or no
Are you seriously suggesting that you have taken a college-level A&P class?
apparently, some people do not understand basic human anatomy and how food is used for energy.
Must be my oft-mentioned stupidity and inability to understand anything that prevents me from realizing how the answer must be that it is because I'm an idiot who cannot understand his "Science!"
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Correct...except the "all of it" part.acorsaut89 wrote: »
No, it isn't.FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »allison1983weber wrote: »Omg i don't mean dirty ffs. I just mean good, whole, healthy. No need to be a douche
so i am a "douche" for pointing out that there is no "bad" food and you can eat ice cream…hmmmm OK ..
define "good, whole, healthy" food, because I have no idea what that is.
Please remember that not everyone holds the same opinions/beliefs as you do towards food.
its not an opinion ..food = energy ..nothing else..that is a fact...
Like most of your "facts", that is incorrect. Food contains many things, including water, vitamins and minerals. It's not just energy/calories via macronutrients.
For all the time you spend insulting, mocking, name-calling and laughing at others, you are almost always wrong. The insults do not now, nor did they ever, nor will they ever mean that you are right.
Regardless of what food is made up of . . . our bodies use all of it for fuel to get our energy. We don't get energy from any other sources . . if you stop eating, you get tired and sluggish and fatigued. Just like when your car runs out of gas it stops going right? Same concept.
In "terms of our body using it", the water is more vital than any of it...and contains no calories. However, we could get water without food.It doesn't matter what is in the food we eat at all - well it does for nutritional purposes, which is your water, vitamins, minerals, etc argument but in terms of our bodies using it, we use pretty much all of it for fuel. What matters is that we use it to keep going, or in other terms, we use it to fuel ourselves.
In "terms of our body using it", those vitamins, minerals (no etc.) are important. Those micros are as important as the much-touted macros.
For weight loss, it doesn't matter. You can eat absolutely nothing and lose weight.
drink only water for a year and eat nothing for a year and see if you live ....
what do you think that your body uses macros and micros for? It breaks them down for ENERGY to use in bodily functions like building muscle, breathing, digesting, brain function ....
is that really so hard to understand...
Your body uses protein and to build muscles, enzymes for digesting, and hormones regulate many systems (i.e. brain chemistry). When fat and protein is oxidized or turned into glucose (used for energy) it can no longer be used to make things like muscles, enzymes, and hormones. Some of the fat and most of the protein you eat goes to non-energy requirements.0 -
The nutrition "side of food" is not simply "food for energy."
You are confusing the social aspect of food eating out, dining in a social setting, eating for enjoyment, etc, with the nutritional side of food, which is food for energy. Again, the two are not mutually exclusive.
There is much more to it than "food for energy."
Try not eating for a month and see how you feel ...
then come back and tell if food is energy or not...
If I didn't eat for a month, I would die, but not from loss of energy. My body would still have plenty of fat (energy) on it. Long before I ran out of fat I would suffer from a lack of potassium, leading to heartbeat irregularities and death. We need more than energy to be healthy.
If food is only energy that means -- Bodybuilders who include protein to build and repair muscle (non-energy requirement) are wrong,
- People eating foods rich in calcium, vitamin D, and magnesium to prevent and treat osteoporosis are wrong,
- People eating fiber (which is low in energy) to prevent cancer and appendicitis, and enhance fullness, are wrong
- Diabetics who eat protein with carbohydrates to better manage blood sugar levels are wrong
Just a few of many examples of where food provides us with the mechanical pieces that make up our bodies, and enhance how they work, as well as energy value.
If foods cannot harm us then- There's no point avoiding seafood contaminated with mercury
- Go ahead and eat more than two servings of preserved meat a day (nitrite cancer risk)
- Why not deep fry everything? - One serving of fried food a week linked to 30% higher risk of prostate cancer for men http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/255582.php
The energy value of food is only one part of what we get from it. That is how some foods support micro/macro needs and others don't.
1. Where do you get protein from - Food
2. where do you get calcium, vitamin d, etc from - food
3. where do you get fiber from - food
4. where do you get protein and carbs from - food
I never made a statement about foods harming, or not, harming anyone, so how is that even relevant...
where do micro/macros come from?
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WalkingAlong wrote: »
Do you understand the difference between these two statements?WalkingAlong wrote: »Food does actually contain energy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_transformation
I don't think anyone misunderstands that we get energy from food.
so then why the argument over food = energy?
are you saying yes now? Or are you still disputing it?
Food provides energy.
Food's sole function is to provide energy.
You talk as if no one else does.
so what else does food do when you eat it? food provides humans with energy that is how we nourish ourselves..
what other "function" does food provide?
Provides vitamins and minerals, curbs hunger, changes moods.....
Helps to regulate your blood pressure...
.....and you get energy from it.
The key word is "and". It isn't whether food provides energy, the debate is whether or not food ONLY provides energy. That's ridiculous in my opinion.
my assertion was that food = energy ..to which I got several replies that was "false"...
Actually, your assertion was "its not an opinion ..food = energy ..nothing else..that is a fact...".
It's the absolute that is making you wrong in this debate. Sorry.
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