Paleo Recipes my kids will eat
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hollydubs85 wrote: »If it were me, I'd probably just grill meats every day with a side of vegetables, instead of trying to convert everything I love into a "Paleo-friendly" substitute.
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jasonmh630 wrote: »
By that rule you can't tell me what I can and can't say :-P
Obviously I can't actually say someone can and can't post. But I'm responding to all the people saying the OP shouldn't try to get her kids to eat their dinner. It's okay for them to say "don't do something" but I can't say "don't post that"? Come on. Double standard much?
Is this better? "If you don't have kids (or actual experience with other people's kids on this topic), you don't even understand about getting kids to eat, so stop critiquing a mom who is trying to do her best to help her kids." This thread started with a bunch of people just saying "don't do that to your kids". So if you want to say I can't post what I want, because I said they can't post that, it's just the same thing.
the verbal gymnastics in this post are gold medal worthy ...
the point posters are making is that it is ridiculous to force your kids to eat Paleo just because OP thinks it is some great diet...
when my parents "dieted" they did not force me to eat whatever fad diet they were doing...
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so stop critiquing a mom who is trying to do her best to help her kids.
helping your kids is explaining why/how she cooks at home and what macros are.
Helping your kids is making sure you are cooking a variety of food and explaining about moderation.
Helping your kids is explaining why 3 * 3 is the same as 3+3+3 and why a triangle has 3 sides and one side isn't always 90*
Adhering to an admittedly unscientific and completely arbitrary way of eating and just expecting them to eat it because it's what YOU WANT isn't "helping her kids"
PS- don't have kids- have had to feed kids because I was a paid caretaker for almost 3 years.
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The Paleolithic period lasted over 2.6 million years, which is quite a long fad for the creatures and later humans that got swept up in eating Paleo. And shame on the parents that fed their kids Paleo during this era...
You know what else they didn't have? Running sneakers and Internet. Would you be interested in not using that? Since you know, they didn't and they were so great.
Settle down, bro, no need to go on the offensive, I'm not Paleo, just providing perspective
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The Paleolithic period lasted over 2.6 million years, which is quite a long fad for the creatures and later humans that got swept up in eating Paleo. And shame on the parents that fed their kids Paleo during this era...
You know what else they didn't have? Running sneakers and Internet. Would you be interested in not using that? Since you know, they didn't and they were so great.
Settle down, bro, no need to go on the offensive, I'm not Paleo, just providing perspective
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so stop critiquing a mom who is trying to do her best to help her kids.
helping your kids is explaining why/how she cooks at home and what macros are.
Helping your kids is making sure you are cooking a variety of food and explaining about moderation.
Helping your kids is explaining why 3 * 3 is the same as 3+3+3 and why a triangle has 3 sides and one side isn't always 90*
Adhering to an admittedly unscientific and completely arbitrary way of eating and just expecting them to eat it because it's what YOU WANT isn't "helping her kids"
PS- don't have kids- have had to feed kids because I was a paid caretaker for almost 3 years.
just you know- to validate myself in your eyes.
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I asked you a question, would you be interested in not using running sneakers or Internet because they didn't have it?The Paleolithic period lasted over 2.6 million years, which is quite a long fad for the creatures and later humans that got swept up in eating Paleo. And shame on the parents that fed their kids Paleo during this era...
You know what else they didn't have? Running sneakers and Internet. Would you be interested in not using that? Since you know, they didn't and they were so great.
Settle down, bro, no need to go on the offensive, I'm not Paleo, just providing perspective
Settle down bro, not getting defensive, just teaching you logic.
I'll say it again - I don't do Paleo, so posing your question yet again is illogical and irrelevant. To save you a third time, no, I am not interested in a world without sneakers or internet.-1 -
hollydubs85 wrote: »I'm surprised at some of the responses. The OP didn't say she is trying to put her kids on a "diet", just that she is trying to get them to eat the meals she provides. So she's asking for meals that are kid friendly that fit her diet - diet as in foods one eats, not just attempt to lose weight.
First of all, if you don't have kids, don't even comment here. Cause you don't know what you're talking about.
If you DO, what do you feed them? Cause in our house, we feed our kids what we eat, 90% of the time. Every now and then we let the 3 year old pick his own dinner, and he picks crap. He would eat breakfast cereal and chicken nuggets for every meal if we let him. That is not a good diet for a child.
He doesn't have to eat what he's been given, but that's all there is. If he doesn't want to eat the healthy meal we have prepared, we're not going to get him something that's not healthy just so he will be happy about dinner. Sometimes, he also doesn't want to eat the NOT healthy foods - my kid will whine just as much about a cheese laden pizza as he will about a roasted broccoli. Actually I think it's easier to get him to eat the broccoli. Which makes me so happy because I don't want my kids to have the relationship with food I did. I don't want my kids growing up only liking 4 foods and eating massive amounts of calorie dense foods because they don't know what a vegetable tastes like or when they're full. We also don't want our kids thinking they can whine and cry about what they've been given and get away with it. Dinner has been served, and you will eat a reasonable amount and if you tried it and still hate it, then you can have something else that I chose. (which for our son is usually yogurt or a fruit)
I'm vegetarian, and most vegetarians I know let their kids decide if they want meat (which is the approach we have taken) - but there are parents who feel that it's their choice whether or not their kid is going to eat meat, and that's just as valid a parenting decision as deciding to prohibit them eat junk food or fast food or soda or sugar or dairy.
This is why I asked OP what she feeds her kids if they don't like the paleo dishes she makes. Paleo diet is largely marketed as a weight loss diet, and it is of course, unnecessary just like any other fad diet. It's not exactly comparable to becoming a vegetarian for ethical reasons. So people are commenting on it because quite simply, why would you choose a diet that is obviously making life more difficult for you by forcing your kids to eat it with you? Just eat less food of whatever everybody would normally eat otherwise. It seems like the simplest solution here.
The majority of people I know who do a "Paleo" diet are not doing so to lose weight, but because they think it is the "BEST" way to eat. I have always heard it touted as healthy, with weight loss as a side effect if you're overweight. The people I know who do it swear they just feel better when they don't eat dairy, and I'm sure they do. I think it's a load of crap that it's the "right" way to eat or that it's what our ancestors ate, but if someone has found a subset of food that they feel good eating, that's good for them.
I do agree that the silly rules on things like yogurt vs cheese or sweet potatoes vs potatoes is, well, a load of crap.
The simplest thing is to just stay the same.
In my experience, there is no "yogurt vs cheese." Either you're opposed to both or your opposed to neither (assuming here that we're talking about versions of both without a bunch of additives beyond what's required to make them), as both go through a fermenting process. Usually, that argument either leans toward "no dairy at all," or at least "no casein/whey/lactose" (allowing for ghee or butter), or toward "no dairy unless it's raw/fermented," or toward "some, in moderation, if it doesn't cause you adverse effects."
As for the potatoes vs sweet potatoes, there are two reasons for this:
1. White potatoes are nightshades, so any subset of paleo that avoids nightshades will avoid potatoes for this reason. Sweet potatoes are not nightshades, so they're okay in that regard (though my be restricted for other reasons).
2. White potatoes, particularly skins and the forms largely considered "healthy," contain a high amount of saponins that are toxic to humans in high concentrations. There's some disagreement on the validity of this as more research is done or found and more information is presented (such as the fact that most domesticated varieties don't contain that much, because the levels are monitored), but Cordain's views and recommendations are still the foundation of modern Paleo proper and therefore guide a lot of people's decisions.
Most of the people who suggest limiting potatoes on the basis of the carbohydrate content also suggest limiting sweet potatoes, and acknowledge that the glycemic load and nutrient density of sweet potatoes is on par with that of white potatoes and the differences on that front are marginal.
In these edge cases, the final verdict basically comes down to you and your family's needs and best judgement based on the information available to you at any given time.
And for people to act like this type of thing is unique to Paleo and that either "you're Paleo or you're not" boggles my mind. Veg*ns have similar decisions. Milk? Eggs? Honey? Fish? The biggest difference in that regard is that the Veg*n crowd has had the time to name the different subsets and make those names well known. If you eat any of those (even if only rarely), you lose your vegan card according to some, but you're still vegetarian (and if you only eat those things rarely, you may still consider yourself at least "mostly vegan"), or you're pescatarian if you eat fish. The modern Paleo way of eating doesn't have that yet. It's got some different names (Paleo -- which is generally Cordain based, Primal, AIP, recon paleolithic, Asprey's Bulletproof Diet), but most things beyond "Paleo" are not well known, so it's easier to just say you do Paleo than trying to explain that you follow one of the variations and then explain (for the umpteenth time) the differences on top of all the other questions you inevitably get.
Is it counterproductive to the perception of the larger Paleo movement as a whole? Perhaps. Most people who follow it prefer to use their own health and successes on it as the necessary evidence for getting the people they know to try it, though. The bickering on here is generally nitpicking over details about which the Paleo community has largely said, "these are the big names that say that's okay and why, these are the big names that say it's not okay and why. Pick a path for yourself and try it and see how it works for you." The "point" of Paleo is the foundation of the way of eating, the focus on quality, nutrient-dense food and avoiding the things considered objectively harmful, and being mindful of where your food comes from and how it gets to you.
That said, yes, most people who actually do Paleo do so for health reasons. Many books market weight loss as part of the hook, but that's marketing. Many vegetarian and vegan books have that as part of their marketing hook, too.
Do some people do either of these to lose weight? Certainly. The ones that start solely to lose weight, thinking of it as a fad diet, usually go in one of two directions -- 1. they're sorely disappointed and move on to something else, because when it comes to weight loss, Paleo/veg*n aren't magically faster than anything else, and can actually be quite a bit slower, since the focus is actually on health, not weight loss; 2. they realize they feel better -- even independent of weight loss -- and stay with it as a lifestyle change.0 -
jasonmh630 wrote: »
By that rule you can't tell me what I can and can't say :-P
Obviously I can't actually say someone can and can't post. But I'm responding to all the people saying the OP shouldn't try to get her kids to eat their dinner. It's okay for them to say "don't do something" but I can't say "don't post that"? Come on. Double standard much?
Is this better? "If you don't have kids (or actual experience with other people's kids on this topic), you don't even understand about getting kids to eat, so stop critiquing a mom who is trying to do her best to help her kids." This thread started with a bunch of people just saying "don't do that to your kids". So if you want to say I can't post what I want, because I said they can't post that, it's just the same thing.
No one said that... All anyone was asking is why is she trying to get her kids to eat paleo.0 -
how about this for a compromise...leave in the pasta and switch the ground beef in the sauce for ground deer meat...I have some if you need it...now that's paleo...nom nom.0
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I do.you are such a meat lover....
All the meats- right in my mouth. (yeah- I went there)
why thank you loveyThis mom thinks this post is full of win.
I'd make a kick *kitten* mom one day I'm sure if I ever bothered to have kids... but I won't- because I hate them. But- I am deeply glad the people I know are having kids- because people's I know are awesome.
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Dragonwolf wrote: »hollydubs85 wrote: »I'm surprised at some of the responses. The OP didn't say she is trying to put her kids on a "diet", just that she is trying to get them to eat the meals she provides. So she's asking for meals that are kid friendly that fit her diet - diet as in foods one eats, not just attempt to lose weight.
First of all, if you don't have kids, don't even comment here. Cause you don't know what you're talking about.
If you DO, what do you feed them? Cause in our house, we feed our kids what we eat, 90% of the time. Every now and then we let the 3 year old pick his own dinner, and he picks crap. He would eat breakfast cereal and chicken nuggets for every meal if we let him. That is not a good diet for a child.
He doesn't have to eat what he's been given, but that's all there is. If he doesn't want to eat the healthy meal we have prepared, we're not going to get him something that's not healthy just so he will be happy about dinner. Sometimes, he also doesn't want to eat the NOT healthy foods - my kid will whine just as much about a cheese laden pizza as he will about a roasted broccoli. Actually I think it's easier to get him to eat the broccoli. Which makes me so happy because I don't want my kids to have the relationship with food I did. I don't want my kids growing up only liking 4 foods and eating massive amounts of calorie dense foods because they don't know what a vegetable tastes like or when they're full. We also don't want our kids thinking they can whine and cry about what they've been given and get away with it. Dinner has been served, and you will eat a reasonable amount and if you tried it and still hate it, then you can have something else that I chose. (which for our son is usually yogurt or a fruit)
I'm vegetarian, and most vegetarians I know let their kids decide if they want meat (which is the approach we have taken) - but there are parents who feel that it's their choice whether or not their kid is going to eat meat, and that's just as valid a parenting decision as deciding to prohibit them eat junk food or fast food or soda or sugar or dairy.
This is why I asked OP what she feeds her kids if they don't like the paleo dishes she makes. Paleo diet is largely marketed as a weight loss diet, and it is of course, unnecessary just like any other fad diet. It's not exactly comparable to becoming a vegetarian for ethical reasons. So people are commenting on it because quite simply, why would you choose a diet that is obviously making life more difficult for you by forcing your kids to eat it with you? Just eat less food of whatever everybody would normally eat otherwise. It seems like the simplest solution here.
The majority of people I know who do a "Paleo" diet are not doing so to lose weight, but because they think it is the "BEST" way to eat. I have always heard it touted as healthy, with weight loss as a side effect if you're overweight. The people I know who do it swear they just feel better when they don't eat dairy, and I'm sure they do. I think it's a load of crap that it's the "right" way to eat or that it's what our ancestors ate, but if someone has found a subset of food that they feel good eating, that's good for them.
I do agree that the silly rules on things like yogurt vs cheese or sweet potatoes vs potatoes is, well, a load of crap.
The simplest thing is to just stay the same.
In my experience, there is no "yogurt vs cheese." Either you're opposed to both or your opposed to neither (assuming here that we're talking about versions of both without a bunch of additives beyond what's required to make them), as both go through a fermenting process. Usually, that argument either leans toward "no dairy at all," or at least "no casein/whey/lactose" (allowing for ghee or butter), or toward "no dairy unless it's raw/fermented," or toward "some, in moderation, if it doesn't cause you adverse effects."
As for the potatoes vs sweet potatoes, there are two reasons for this:
1. White potatoes are nightshades, so any subset of paleo that avoids nightshades will avoid potatoes for this reason. Sweet potatoes are not nightshades, so they're okay in that regard (though my be restricted for other reasons).
2. White potatoes, particularly skins and the forms largely considered "healthy," contain a high amount of saponins that are toxic to humans in high concentrations. There's some disagreement on the validity of this as more research is done or found and more information is presented (such as the fact that most domesticated varieties don't contain that much, because the levels are monitored), but Cordain's views and recommendations are still the foundation of modern Paleo proper and therefore guide a lot of people's decisions.
Most of the people who suggest limiting potatoes on the basis of the carbohydrate content also suggest limiting sweet potatoes, and acknowledge that the glycemic load and nutrient density of sweet potatoes is on par with that of white potatoes and the differences on that front are marginal.
In these edge cases, the final verdict basically comes down to you and your family's needs and best judgement based on the information available to you at any given time.
And for people to act like this type of thing is unique to Paleo and that either "you're Paleo or you're not" boggles my mind. Veg*ns have similar decisions. Milk? Eggs? Honey? Fish? The biggest difference in that regard is that the Veg*n crowd has had the time to name the different subsets and make those names well known. If you eat any of those (even if only rarely), you lose your vegan card according to some, but you're still vegetarian (and if you only eat those things rarely, you may still consider yourself at least "mostly vegan"), or you're pescatarian if you eat fish. The modern Paleo way of eating doesn't have that yet. It's got some different names (Paleo -- which is generally Cordain based, Primal, AIP, recon paleolithic, Asprey's Bulletproof Diet), but most things beyond "Paleo" are not well known, so it's easier to just say you do Paleo than trying to explain that you follow one of the variations and then explain (for the umpteenth time) the differences on top of all the other questions you inevitably get.
Is it counterproductive to the perception of the larger Paleo movement as a whole? Perhaps. Most people who follow it prefer to use their own health and successes on it as the necessary evidence for getting the people they know to try it, though. The bickering on here is generally nitpicking over details about which the Paleo community has largely said, "these are the big names that say that's okay and why, these are the big names that say it's not okay and why. Pick a path for yourself and try it and see how it works for you." The "point" of Paleo is the foundation of the way of eating, the focus on quality, nutrient-dense food and avoiding the things considered objectively harmful, and being mindful of where your food comes from and how it gets to you.
That said, yes, most people who actually do Paleo do so for health reasons. Many books market weight loss as part of the hook, but that's marketing. Many vegetarian and vegan books have that as part of their marketing hook, too.
Do some people do either of these to lose weight? Certainly. The ones that start solely to lose weight, thinking of it as a fad diet, usually go in one of two directions -- 1. they're sorely disappointed and move on to something else, because when it comes to weight loss, Paleo/veg*n aren't magically faster than anything else, and can actually be quite a bit slower, since the focus is actually on health, not weight loss; 2. they realize they feel better -- even independent of weight loss -- and stay with it as a lifestyle change.
^ this is my point about "verbal gymnastics"
do you really think that paleolithich people walked around caring about what kind of potato or carb they found? Of course not, that is ridiculous. They were hunter/gathers, more than likely primarily gathers who ate plants, fruits, leaves, grubs, etc...and most of that was consumed raw...
the whole concept of paleo is ridiculous and not even based on how real paleolithic people ate...
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I love the cookbook by nom nom paleo - has a nice section re foods her kids like, how she packs their lunches (wish I'd had lunches like that when I was a kidlet). I don't do strict paleo more a primal approach as a twist to my plan, but I'll make a good recipe that fits how I like to eat, from anywhere
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Why is it better to stuff your kids full of processed junk food than feed them a quality diet of nutrient dense food?
My friends' kids eat nothing but mac & cheese and things that get squeezed from a packet or dumped out from a box. So when they get older and unhealthy, they'll be faced with the same challenges their parents now have and they'll be struggling to change their diet.
As far as kid friendly, I'm not sure. When I was a kid, I really like steak just like anyone else. And sea food. I wouldn't go crazy with the "paleo" versions of SAD. Why does a steak have to have a potato with it?0 -
Children need food, especially carbs. Feed them real food and don't push your own insanity upon them.0
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edwasserman wrote: »Why is it better to stuff your kids full of processed junk food than feed them a quality diet of nutrient dense food?
My friends' kids eat nothing but mac & cheese and things that get squeezed from a packet or dumped out from a box. So when they get older and unhealthy, they'll be faced with the same challenges their parents now have and they'll be struggling to change their diet.
As far as kid friendly, I'm not sure. When I was a kid, I really like steak just like anyone else. And sea food. I wouldn't go crazy with the "paleo" versions of SAD. Why does a steak have to have a potato with it?
LOl and here comes the straw man ...who in this thread advocated for stuffing their kids full of processed junk food?????????????? Please find me the one person that said that; or is your claim that anyone that does not eat paleo is eating a diet of 100% processed junk food????????0 -
Dragonwolf wrote: »hollydubs85 wrote: »I'm surprised at some of the responses. The OP didn't say she is trying to put her kids on a "diet", just that she is trying to get them to eat the meals she provides. So she's asking for meals that are kid friendly that fit her diet - diet as in foods one eats, not just attempt to lose weight.
First of all, if you don't have kids, don't even comment here. Cause you don't know what you're talking about.
If you DO, what do you feed them? Cause in our house, we feed our kids what we eat, 90% of the time. Every now and then we let the 3 year old pick his own dinner, and he picks crap. He would eat breakfast cereal and chicken nuggets for every meal if we let him. That is not a good diet for a child.
He doesn't have to eat what he's been given, but that's all there is. If he doesn't want to eat the healthy meal we have prepared, we're not going to get him something that's not healthy just so he will be happy about dinner. Sometimes, he also doesn't want to eat the NOT healthy foods - my kid will whine just as much about a cheese laden pizza as he will about a roasted broccoli. Actually I think it's easier to get him to eat the broccoli. Which makes me so happy because I don't want my kids to have the relationship with food I did. I don't want my kids growing up only liking 4 foods and eating massive amounts of calorie dense foods because they don't know what a vegetable tastes like or when they're full. We also don't want our kids thinking they can whine and cry about what they've been given and get away with it. Dinner has been served, and you will eat a reasonable amount and if you tried it and still hate it, then you can have something else that I chose. (which for our son is usually yogurt or a fruit)
I'm vegetarian, and most vegetarians I know let their kids decide if they want meat (which is the approach we have taken) - but there are parents who feel that it's their choice whether or not their kid is going to eat meat, and that's just as valid a parenting decision as deciding to prohibit them eat junk food or fast food or soda or sugar or dairy.
This is why I asked OP what she feeds her kids if they don't like the paleo dishes she makes. Paleo diet is largely marketed as a weight loss diet, and it is of course, unnecessary just like any other fad diet. It's not exactly comparable to becoming a vegetarian for ethical reasons. So people are commenting on it because quite simply, why would you choose a diet that is obviously making life more difficult for you by forcing your kids to eat it with you? Just eat less food of whatever everybody would normally eat otherwise. It seems like the simplest solution here.
The majority of people I know who do a "Paleo" diet are not doing so to lose weight, but because they think it is the "BEST" way to eat. I have always heard it touted as healthy, with weight loss as a side effect if you're overweight. The people I know who do it swear they just feel better when they don't eat dairy, and I'm sure they do. I think it's a load of crap that it's the "right" way to eat or that it's what our ancestors ate, but if someone has found a subset of food that they feel good eating, that's good for them.
I do agree that the silly rules on things like yogurt vs cheese or sweet potatoes vs potatoes is, well, a load of crap.
The simplest thing is to just stay the same.
In my experience, there is no "yogurt vs cheese." Either you're opposed to both or your opposed to neither (assuming here that we're talking about versions of both without a bunch of additives beyond what's required to make them), as both go through a fermenting process. Usually, that argument either leans toward "no dairy at all," or at least "no casein/whey/lactose" (allowing for ghee or butter), or toward "no dairy unless it's raw/fermented," or toward "some, in moderation, if it doesn't cause you adverse effects."
As for the potatoes vs sweet potatoes, there are two reasons for this:
1. White potatoes are nightshades, so any subset of paleo that avoids nightshades will avoid potatoes for this reason. Sweet potatoes are not nightshades, so they're okay in that regard (though my be restricted for other reasons).
2. White potatoes, particularly skins and the forms largely considered "healthy," contain a high amount of saponins that are toxic to humans in high concentrations. There's some disagreement on the validity of this as more research is done or found and more information is presented (such as the fact that most domesticated varieties don't contain that much, because the levels are monitored), but Cordain's views and recommendations are still the foundation of modern Paleo proper and therefore guide a lot of people's decisions.
Most of the people who suggest limiting potatoes on the basis of the carbohydrate content also suggest limiting sweet potatoes, and acknowledge that the glycemic load and nutrient density of sweet potatoes is on par with that of white potatoes and the differences on that front are marginal.
In these edge cases, the final verdict basically comes down to you and your family's needs and best judgement based on the information available to you at any given time.
And for people to act like this type of thing is unique to Paleo and that either "you're Paleo or you're not" boggles my mind. Veg*ns have similar decisions. Milk? Eggs? Honey? Fish? The biggest difference in that regard is that the Veg*n crowd has had the time to name the different subsets and make those names well known. If you eat any of those (even if only rarely), you lose your vegan card according to some, but you're still vegetarian (and if you only eat those things rarely, you may still consider yourself at least "mostly vegan"), or you're pescatarian if you eat fish. The modern Paleo way of eating doesn't have that yet. It's got some different names (Paleo -- which is generally Cordain based, Primal, AIP, recon paleolithic, Asprey's Bulletproof Diet), but most things beyond "Paleo" are not well known, so it's easier to just say you do Paleo than trying to explain that you follow one of the variations and then explain (for the umpteenth time) the differences on top of all the other questions you inevitably get.
Is it counterproductive to the perception of the larger Paleo movement as a whole? Perhaps. Most people who follow it prefer to use their own health and successes on it as the necessary evidence for getting the people they know to try it, though. The bickering on here is generally nitpicking over details about which the Paleo community has largely said, "these are the big names that say that's okay and why, these are the big names that say it's not okay and why. Pick a path for yourself and try it and see how it works for you." The "point" of Paleo is the foundation of the way of eating, the focus on quality, nutrient-dense food and avoiding the things considered objectively harmful, and being mindful of where your food comes from and how it gets to you.
That said, yes, most people who actually do Paleo do so for health reasons. Many books market weight loss as part of the hook, but that's marketing. Many vegetarian and vegan books have that as part of their marketing hook, too.
Do some people do either of these to lose weight? Certainly. The ones that start solely to lose weight, thinking of it as a fad diet, usually go in one of two directions -- 1. they're sorely disappointed and move on to something else, because when it comes to weight loss, Paleo/veg*n aren't magically faster than anything else, and can actually be quite a bit slower, since the focus is actually on health, not weight loss; 2. they realize they feel better -- even independent of weight loss -- and stay with it as a lifestyle change.
^ this is my point about "verbal gymnastics"
do you really think that paleolithich people walked around caring about what kind of potato or carb they found? Of course not, that is ridiculous. They were hunter/gathers, more than likely primarily gathers who ate plants, fruits, leaves, grubs, etc...and most of that was consumed raw...
the whole concept of paleo is ridiculous and not even based on how real paleolithic people ate...
Are you just arguing that you don't like the name? If you were to remove the word "paleo" from the diet along with the ancient-man philosophy, it's a pretty flexible dietary style that allows the gamut of low carb to high carb, vegetarian, etc. It ends up just focusing on whole foods and limiting starches and grains.
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I asked you a question, would you be interested in not using running sneakers or Internet because they didn't have it?The Paleolithic period lasted over 2.6 million years, which is quite a long fad for the creatures and later humans that got swept up in eating Paleo. And shame on the parents that fed their kids Paleo during this era...
You know what else they didn't have? Running sneakers and Internet. Would you be interested in not using that? Since you know, they didn't and they were so great.
Settle down, bro, no need to go on the offensive, I'm not Paleo, just providing perspective
Settle down bro, not getting defensive, just teaching you logic.
I'll say it again - I don't do Paleo, so posing your question yet again is illogical and irrelevant. To save you a third time, no, I am not interested in a world without sneakers or internet.
Your reasoning behind why we should have our kids follow Paleo is just as illogical then.
Why wouldn't you want to to go without sneakers or internet? That's how they did it for millions of years and look how much they achieved.
Yes, because nothing was ever achieved in the world until sneakers and the internet were invented..actually you may have a point, these kinds of discussions make an internet-free world look more alluring.-1 -
I was gonna give you an insulting "your kids aren't on a diet you are" before reading that you are actually serving them real, balanced food. So I suggest just feeding them more of that. Make your own chicken nuggets with coconut breading and mango salsa.0
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Dragonwolf wrote: »hollydubs85 wrote: »I'm surprised at some of the responses. The OP didn't say she is trying to put her kids on a "diet", just that she is trying to get them to eat the meals she provides. So she's asking for meals that are kid friendly that fit her diet - diet as in foods one eats, not just attempt to lose weight.
First of all, if you don't have kids, don't even comment here. Cause you don't know what you're talking about.
If you DO, what do you feed them? Cause in our house, we feed our kids what we eat, 90% of the time. Every now and then we let the 3 year old pick his own dinner, and he picks crap. He would eat breakfast cereal and chicken nuggets for every meal if we let him. That is not a good diet for a child.
He doesn't have to eat what he's been given, but that's all there is. If he doesn't want to eat the healthy meal we have prepared, we're not going to get him something that's not healthy just so he will be happy about dinner. Sometimes, he also doesn't want to eat the NOT healthy foods - my kid will whine just as much about a cheese laden pizza as he will about a roasted broccoli. Actually I think it's easier to get him to eat the broccoli. Which makes me so happy because I don't want my kids to have the relationship with food I did. I don't want my kids growing up only liking 4 foods and eating massive amounts of calorie dense foods because they don't know what a vegetable tastes like or when they're full. We also don't want our kids thinking they can whine and cry about what they've been given and get away with it. Dinner has been served, and you will eat a reasonable amount and if you tried it and still hate it, then you can have something else that I chose. (which for our son is usually yogurt or a fruit)
I'm vegetarian, and most vegetarians I know let their kids decide if they want meat (which is the approach we have taken) - but there are parents who feel that it's their choice whether or not their kid is going to eat meat, and that's just as valid a parenting decision as deciding to prohibit them eat junk food or fast food or soda or sugar or dairy.
This is why I asked OP what she feeds her kids if they don't like the paleo dishes she makes. Paleo diet is largely marketed as a weight loss diet, and it is of course, unnecessary just like any other fad diet. It's not exactly comparable to becoming a vegetarian for ethical reasons. So people are commenting on it because quite simply, why would you choose a diet that is obviously making life more difficult for you by forcing your kids to eat it with you? Just eat less food of whatever everybody would normally eat otherwise. It seems like the simplest solution here.
The majority of people I know who do a "Paleo" diet are not doing so to lose weight, but because they think it is the "BEST" way to eat. I have always heard it touted as healthy, with weight loss as a side effect if you're overweight. The people I know who do it swear they just feel better when they don't eat dairy, and I'm sure they do. I think it's a load of crap that it's the "right" way to eat or that it's what our ancestors ate, but if someone has found a subset of food that they feel good eating, that's good for them.
I do agree that the silly rules on things like yogurt vs cheese or sweet potatoes vs potatoes is, well, a load of crap.
The simplest thing is to just stay the same.
In my experience, there is no "yogurt vs cheese." Either you're opposed to both or your opposed to neither (assuming here that we're talking about versions of both without a bunch of additives beyond what's required to make them), as both go through a fermenting process. Usually, that argument either leans toward "no dairy at all," or at least "no casein/whey/lactose" (allowing for ghee or butter), or toward "no dairy unless it's raw/fermented," or toward "some, in moderation, if it doesn't cause you adverse effects."
As for the potatoes vs sweet potatoes, there are two reasons for this:
1. White potatoes are nightshades, so any subset of paleo that avoids nightshades will avoid potatoes for this reason. Sweet potatoes are not nightshades, so they're okay in that regard (though my be restricted for other reasons).
2. White potatoes, particularly skins and the forms largely considered "healthy," contain a high amount of saponins that are toxic to humans in high concentrations. There's some disagreement on the validity of this as more research is done or found and more information is presented (such as the fact that most domesticated varieties don't contain that much, because the levels are monitored), but Cordain's views and recommendations are still the foundation of modern Paleo proper and therefore guide a lot of people's decisions.
Most of the people who suggest limiting potatoes on the basis of the carbohydrate content also suggest limiting sweet potatoes, and acknowledge that the glycemic load and nutrient density of sweet potatoes is on par with that of white potatoes and the differences on that front are marginal.
In these edge cases, the final verdict basically comes down to you and your family's needs and best judgement based on the information available to you at any given time.
And for people to act like this type of thing is unique to Paleo and that either "you're Paleo or you're not" boggles my mind. Veg*ns have similar decisions. Milk? Eggs? Honey? Fish? The biggest difference in that regard is that the Veg*n crowd has had the time to name the different subsets and make those names well known. If you eat any of those (even if only rarely), you lose your vegan card according to some, but you're still vegetarian (and if you only eat those things rarely, you may still consider yourself at least "mostly vegan"), or you're pescatarian if you eat fish. The modern Paleo way of eating doesn't have that yet. It's got some different names (Paleo -- which is generally Cordain based, Primal, AIP, recon paleolithic, Asprey's Bulletproof Diet), but most things beyond "Paleo" are not well known, so it's easier to just say you do Paleo than trying to explain that you follow one of the variations and then explain (for the umpteenth time) the differences on top of all the other questions you inevitably get.
Is it counterproductive to the perception of the larger Paleo movement as a whole? Perhaps. Most people who follow it prefer to use their own health and successes on it as the necessary evidence for getting the people they know to try it, though. The bickering on here is generally nitpicking over details about which the Paleo community has largely said, "these are the big names that say that's okay and why, these are the big names that say it's not okay and why. Pick a path for yourself and try it and see how it works for you." The "point" of Paleo is the foundation of the way of eating, the focus on quality, nutrient-dense food and avoiding the things considered objectively harmful, and being mindful of where your food comes from and how it gets to you.
That said, yes, most people who actually do Paleo do so for health reasons. Many books market weight loss as part of the hook, but that's marketing. Many vegetarian and vegan books have that as part of their marketing hook, too.
Do some people do either of these to lose weight? Certainly. The ones that start solely to lose weight, thinking of it as a fad diet, usually go in one of two directions -- 1. they're sorely disappointed and move on to something else, because when it comes to weight loss, Paleo/veg*n aren't magically faster than anything else, and can actually be quite a bit slower, since the focus is actually on health, not weight loss; 2. they realize they feel better -- even independent of weight loss -- and stay with it as a lifestyle change.
^ this is my point about "verbal gymnastics"
do you really think that paleolithich people walked around caring about what kind of potato or carb they found? Of course not, that is ridiculous. They were hunter/gathers, more than likely primarily gathers who ate plants, fruits, leaves, grubs, etc...and most of that was consumed raw...
the whole concept of paleo is ridiculous and not even based on how real paleolithic people ate...
Are you just arguing that you don't like the name? If you were to remove the word "paleo" from the diet along with the ancient-man philosophy, it's a pretty flexible dietary style that allows the gamut of low carb to high carb, vegetarian, etc. It ends up just focusing on whole foods and limiting starches and grains.
Doesn't seem too far out there for me if it was called something else.
Two reasons it is ridiculous;
1. It has absolutely nothing to do with how paleolithic people ate.
2. Everybody has their own version of it. person X cant eat bread, but they can eat sweet potatoes; however, person A can't eat dairy, but person B eats greek yogurt...so basically if Jupiter and Mars are aligned eat X way, but if earth and the sun are in equinox then eat Y way ...0 -
edwasserman wrote: »Why is it better to stuff your kids full of processed junk food than feed them a quality diet of nutrient dense food?
My friends' kids eat nothing but mac & cheese and things that get squeezed from a packet or dumped out from a box. So when they get older and unhealthy, they'll be faced with the same challenges their parents now have and they'll be struggling to change their diet.
As far as kid friendly, I'm not sure. When I was a kid, I really like steak just like anyone else. And sea food. I wouldn't go crazy with the "paleo" versions of SAD. Why does a steak have to have a potato with it?
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Are you just arguing that you don't like the name? If you were to remove the word "paleo" from the diet along with the ancient-man philosophy, it's a pretty flexible dietary style that allows the gamut of low carb to high carb, vegetarian, etc. It ends up just focusing on whole foods and limiting starches and grains.
Doesn't seem too far out there for me if it was called something else.
Two reasons it is ridiculous;
1. It has absolutely nothing to do with how paleolithic people ate.
So, the answer is "yes, it's the name that bothers me"?2. Everybody has their own version of it. person X cant eat bread, but they can eat sweet potatoes; however, person A can't eat dairy, but person B eats greek yogurt...so basically if Jupiter and Mars are aligned eat X way, but if earth and the sun are in equinox then eat Y way ...
So what?
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Are you just arguing that you don't like the name? If you were to remove the word "paleo" from the diet along with the ancient-man philosophy, it's a pretty flexible dietary style that allows the gamut of low carb to high carb, vegetarian, etc. It ends up just focusing on whole foods and limiting starches and grains.
Doesn't seem too far out there for me if it was called something else.
Two reasons it is ridiculous;
1. It has absolutely nothing to do with how paleolithic people ate.
So, the answer is "yes, it's the name that bothers me"?2. Everybody has their own version of it. person X cant eat bread, but they can eat sweet potatoes; however, person A can't eat dairy, but person B eats greek yogurt...so basically if Jupiter and Mars are aligned eat X way, but if earth and the sun are in equinox then eat Y way ...
So what?
because it is a Joke.
if it is not based on how Paleolithich people ate why call it that? Oh, I know because it is a catch phrase that will sell books and make people money.
The "so what" is that people actually think they are somehow going to be healthier by eating how paleo people ate, so that is the so what...0 -
so stop critiquing a mom who is trying to do her best to help her kids.
helping your kids is explaining why/how she cooks at home and what macros are.
Helping your kids is making sure you are cooking a variety of food and explaining about moderation.
Helping your kids is explaining why 3 * 3 is the same as 3+3+3 and why a triangle has 3 sides and one side isn't always 90*
Adhering to an admittedly unscientific and completely arbitrary way of eating and just expecting them to eat it because it's what YOU WANT isn't "helping her kids"
PS- don't have kids- have had to feed kids because I was a paid caretaker for almost 3 years.
just you know- to validate myself in your eyes.
Helping kids is also teaching them about nutrition and eating nutritious meals.
Helping kids is also teaching them about how food affects their bodies and minds and about eating food that doesn't make them feel sick or bad in other subtle ways (note -- the OP has never said why she and her family eats Paleo. For all anyone here knows, the kids have Celiac or have recently been told by their doctor to cut out a number of foods and Paleo is a suitable framework to make doing that easier).
Helping kids is also teaching them that a lunch of meat, vegetables, and a side of fruit (mostly "slow burning" fuels, with numerous vitamins and minerals) will fuel their football practice and day of playing better than a lunch of peanut butter and jelly on white bread with a side of fruit (mostly "fast burning" fuels, with fewer vitamins and minerals).
Helping kids is also teaching them how to read nutrition labels and ingredient lists, and teaching them to look beyond the marketing on the front of the container and determine the quality of the contents based on what's in the item in question.
Helping kids is also instilling in them the desire to reach for the whole foods over the refined ones in most cases.
Helping kids is teaching them about weighing the pros and cons of something they want to eat and determining if the pros outweigh the cons at that time (in other words, about making conscious decisions about eating, instead of mindlessly just eating whatever).
All ways of eating are "arbitrary and unscientific." All parents feed their kids something and expect them to at least try it, because it's what the parents want. The parents who feel a sense of responsibility for building good habits in their kids (because there are parents out there who just don't care and will let their kid eat Bon-Bons all day) will do it with foods they consider healthy, based on the knowledge they have.0 -
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