Confession Time! ((ABSOLUTELY NO JUDGEMENT))
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mantium999 wrote: »mantium999 wrote: »qn4bx9pzg8aifd wrote: »mantium999 wrote: »mantium999 wrote: »Susieq_1994 wrote: »Confession: Honestly, I'm not happy with the thread being stickied. We'll very likely get an influx of sarcastic, unkind, or snarky people ruining our nice thread mojo. *sniffle*
Call me jaded, but that was my first thought too.mantium999 wrote: »
Ok, serious answer, after thinking about it a little. Honestly, I believe this thread alone has kept a bunch of us here on MFP - people who may have wandered off, lost their motivation, felt intimidated to ask questions, or unsupported elsewhere. If one person improves their health and wellness by being part of this thread, then, yes, it warrants sticky status.mantium999 wrote: »What value does this thread bring to General Diet and Weight Loss Help that warrants a sticky status? If page count is a factor, there are plenty of "who wants to see who naked" discussions in Chit Chat that are probably more worthy than this.
I have no problem with the existence of this thread. I just stand by the belief that suggested reading (ie, stickies), should be educational and pertain to the topic of the forum. As far as fun items to give people a reason to return to the site, that's what Chit Chat is for. But that's just me, don't let me rain on your parade. Obviously this thread is popular, just not informative.
"Informative" is a matter of opinion. I, for one, feel VERY "informed" when Pancake announces that he has to pee or we get health updates on various pets.
I now know 100% more about the Muslim religion than I knew a week ago. And this is a good thing.
I've learned a bunch of terms for unusual phobias.
I know how many more exotic varieties of Pop Tarts and peanut butter and breakfast cereal exist in countries other than Canada.
Knowledge is good.
Sure, informative is a matter of opinion. And I also agree that knowledge is good, I seek out lots of it! I simply fail to see the value of directing members, often times who are new, who are seeking information and knowledge about General Diet and Weight Loss (the purpose of this particular sub-forum) to this particular thread. And thank you for making my point with examples of non-diet/weight loss things your learned from this thread.
It was tongue in cheek, as I'm sure you realized. Although I do think Pop Tarts and peanut butter and cereal fall into the diet category.
There have been hundreds of diet/fitness/weight loss questions and tips posted throughout this thread, you just have to wade through 783 pages to find them. Several of us have learned a rather effective upper body workout right here.
A few effective tips, among 783 pages, warranting a status of a helpful thread. Got it.
For the sake of ceasing to derail the purpose of THIS particular thread. I confess to having 3 IPAs last night, BEFORE hitting the weights.
Well, hello, Snarkmeister...
Listen, we aren't suddenly convening before some sort of MFP Supreme Court (and you aren't some sort of Chief Judge (though you do appear to be embracing a role akin to that of a Prosecuting Attorney)), and we don't suddenly need to justify the actions of someone (let alone, someone who has nothing to do with this thread!) doing something we never requested in the first place (and, frankly, involves a reality some of us don't *want*) -- and so we shouldn't be expected to have you or anyone else 'set up kleig lights', and expect us to 'subject ourselves to interrogation' (as though you were some sort of self-appointed attorney, judge, and jury... or some such entity hellbent on seeing a perceived form of 'justice' done)...
If you don't want to participate in the thread, then please, by all means, move on...! -- that is, unless you need to rant about something (other than 'this', or 'us', that is), in which case you are welcome to rant away...!
The world has enough people p*ssing on others -- there's no need to add to *that* 'status quo' (which, not-so-ironically, is part of what this thread is about -- assisting, being helpful, not judging, etc.)...
(...and yeah, my not sprinkling your sudden sarcasm-laced insults with 'rose petals' is not exactly representative of 'this thread'... however, it is a rare thing for rudeness to 'swoop in' on this thread... and I can't stand behavior that reminds me of my favorite bumper sticker -- Mean People Suck...)
Hi there aggressive one! I have no desire to see this thread removed, pretty sure I made that clear. But I stand by what I believe to be a valid point regarding MFP choosing this as a helpful thread within the context of the sub forum in which it exists. Not attacking the participants of this thread, not the purpose of this thread, simply stating that it's purpose isn't necessarily on point with the purpose of why a thread should be a sticky. Sorry you have such a personal attachment and felt offended as a result, but I prefer logic over emotion.
she's not agressive, she's being honest.
if you're struggling so much with the purpose of this thread, and can't see how it might help newbies who are normally ripped apart for the most simplest of questions elsewhere, that's on you, not us.
There's no struggle, the purpose of this thread is not currently related to General Diet and Weight Loss. Again, I have not said it serves no purpose, it just doesn't serve the purpose of this sub forum to the point of being a sticky. New members should have a central location, supported by MFP, to find valuable info to assist them in gaining the knowledge requires to successfully navigate through the contention that occurs in the forums. There are no questions in here that are being clarified, so I don't follow your argument of it being a safe haven for newbies. Is this designed to educate? I don't see it if it is. If you have a rational argument as to what this brings to newbies as far as helping them reach their fitness or weight goals, I'm all ears, but don't chastise me for making a valid comment that none have been able to debate within the context of my point.
How to deal with alcohol in relation to eating and overeating
How to deal with alcohol addiction and its impact on health and weight
ok, so speaking of which, my totally honest check-in...
my original goal was monday through thursday sober.
i didn't make it for the four full days. but i did make it for three.
and given that prior to this my last sober day was 29 days ago, i'm ok with where i'm at.
i'll start again monday and try to get to thursday. it's a constant work in progress.
but i'll keep trying...
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Good tip on keeping tab open. If I'd used my real brain and not my excuse brain I may have come up with that. Lol, thanks.
Just recorded for the past week, I know it's not perfect, but I did have some notes to go off of. I'm a total dweeb and proud of it.
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TigerNY128 wrote: »smashley_mashley wrote: »kellyjellybellyjelly wrote: »smashley_mashley wrote: »Confession: When I am at work and have to go #2, I take my phone with me so I can't read this thread
I hate when I have to poop really badly & someone is in the stall right next to me.
Is is funny b/c it is so true!!
I also hate (and I am not sure if I have posted this here or in the "Things That Make You Irrationally Angry" thread when there are multiple open stalls and you give yourself some space and someone take the stall right beside you. Okay, this just downright pisses me of when people do this.
Me too! Seriously there are five other stalls open down the line and you take the one right next me? Okay creep-o...
Ugh! Happens all the time at work! I hate it!
I just remembered a study that I heard about in 1st or 2nd year psych about bathroom stall selection... assuming availability of empty stalls, introverts will tend to choose stalls at the ends whereas extroverts will choose stalls in the middle.
See, now elsewhere in this forum I'd immediately be taken to task for not providing peer-reviewed citations to back that up, and someone would dig up (and post links to) a dozen studies refuting the findings of the original one, and here I can just toss it out there as an amusing little tidbit of trivia.
Anecdotal I know, but I am an introvert and given my choice I will choose the one at the far end away from the door.
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This is when I wave the white flag and admit there is no way I can keep up with y'all. I take off for less than 24 hours and I'm 700 posts behind and you're probably talking about something interesting like area rugs in Bilbo Baggins' Bag End house (and why they are boring) and I can't even imagine trying to keep pace. So what's new? I got the Usually Lovely Lady Nuffer to join MFP last week but I haven't yet showed her the forums because I'd be embarrassed that she saw I made it to page seven hundred and sixty mumble and that would thoroughly explain why the laundry is not folded.
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OMG! I finally made it to the end. I have spent a month trying to catch up in time and I've done it! I'm inordinately proud of this. First I promised myself I'd read 'em all before posting...I have rejoiced and cried and been angry and perplexed with everyone else. I have shared the pinecone diet, two spoons of hot chocolate and other items with random family members...while none of you know me yet I feel like part of the family already.
Confession 1: for the past week or ten days I have not recorded my food because I did not want to lose my place in this thread.
Confession 2: in the past I was all about the gym and loved it. Now I'm trying to master the food and hope to get off my lazy butt soon and join a gym again. I have many pounds to lose so I need to change in ways I can stick to for life.
Confession 3: I'm unemployed by choice because of a bad work situation and a blessing in the form of my sister. More on this another time.
Confession 4: I may have to rejoin the world now that I'm caught up.
Oh...this may be attached to a post or thirty since my iPad kept deciding to reply before I was ready...sorry.
Good for you for reading through all that mess! I'm 95% sure I would NOT have caught up had I not been around for the beginning. Ha!
Confession: Due to a disfunctional instrument, I will likely have to pop in at work briefly once or twice this weekend. I am using this as an excuse to leave earlier than usual. Salaried, yo.0 -
Glinda1971 wrote: »Thank you all for the birthday wishes.
My confession today is I logged my coffee and then quick added calories for the rest of the day.
I'm taking my birthday off from counting. But I reached my first mini goal of 20 lbs gone by today.
22.4 as of this morning.
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AngryViking1970 wrote: »TigerNY128 wrote: »smashley_mashley wrote: »kellyjellybellyjelly wrote: »smashley_mashley wrote: »Confession: When I am at work and have to go #2, I take my phone with me so I can't read this thread
I hate when I have to poop really badly & someone is in the stall right next to me.
Is is funny b/c it is so true!!
I also hate (and I am not sure if I have posted this here or in the "Things That Make You Irrationally Angry" thread when there are multiple open stalls and you give yourself some space and someone take the stall right beside you. Okay, this just downright pisses me of when people do this.
Me too! Seriously there are five other stalls open down the line and you take the one right next me? Okay creep-o...
Ugh! Happens all the time at work! I hate it!
I just remembered a study that I heard about in 1st or 2nd year psych about bathroom stall selection... assuming availability of empty stalls, introverts will tend to choose stalls at the ends whereas extroverts will choose stalls in the middle.
See, now elsewhere in this forum I'd immediately be taken to task for not providing peer-reviewed citations to back that up, and someone would dig up (and post links to) a dozen studies refuting the findings of the original one, and here I can just toss it out there as an amusing little tidbit of trivia.
and when i read that i think dude! i stick to the ends! this makes sense!!
i was in one of those snarky threads where they were jumping all over this dude for saying he read something in an article, but then couldn't produce it to prove what he said was true and then the mob took over to "prove him wrong." i x'd outta that one pretty fast, but it made me absolutely terrified to post anything.
I'm definitely extroverted and I prefer the stalls on the end!
I do too. I also remember reading somewhere that the first stall is usually the cleanest because people tend to bypass that one in favor of one farther from the door. And no, I don't have sources to cite so back offa me!
That makes sense. Damn it, now I am going to war with myself over feeling safer in the farthest stall or making my germaphobe side happy by being in the closest.
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I'm definitely extroverted and I prefer the stalls on the end![/quote]
I do too. I also remember reading somewhere that the first stall is usually the cleanest because people tend to bypass that one in favor of one farther from the door. And no, I don't have sources to cite so back offa me![/quote]
I'm positive it's completely true, I saw it on Mythbusters.0 -
I'm so very behind on this thread. 17 pages.
Since only one of the 4 swimsuits my husband bought worked out, he ordered 3 more a couple days ago. I have decided that I'm going to start tanning so I can have some color for our trip. Hopefully, I can at least have a decent base before we go.
We haven't seen or heard from my stepdaughter since Memorial Day. If anyone is keeping track, that's almost 2 weeks. I'm going to message her tonight or tomorrow if she doesn't bother showing up. I'm done with her *kitten* and I'm done being taken advantage of.
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OMG! I finally made it to the end. I have spent a month trying to catch up in time and I've done it! I'm inordinately proud of this. First I promised myself I'd read 'em all before posting...I have rejoiced and cried and been angry and perplexed with everyone else. I have shared the pinecone diet, two spoons of hot chocolate and other items with random family members...while none of you know me yet I feel like part of the family already.
Confession 1: for the past week or ten days I have not recorded my food because I did not want to lose my place in this thread.
Confession 2: in the past I was all about the gym and loved it. Now I'm trying to master the food and hope to get off my lazy butt soon and join a gym again. I have many pounds to lose so I need to change in ways I can stick to for life.
Confession 3: I'm unemployed by choice because of a bad work situation and a blessing in the form of my sister. More on this another time.
Confession 4: I may have to rejoin the world now that I'm caught up.
Oh...this may be attached to a post or thirty since my iPad kept deciding to reply before I was ready...sorry.
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SusieQ....I'm too lazy to look up the correct name...I just wanted to chime in on how beautiful Oman is. I spent a week there a couple years ago while on vacation and have some great stories to tell. Most people I met were amazing. Funny story number 1: while walking through a mall I witnessed a man in a pale blue dishdasha walk smack into a man in front of me. I chuckled because I thought they were friends. I'm guessing they were not, since a few seconds later my friend comes up from behind me and has been slapped across the face by that same man! Three years later I still laugh about that.0
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This is when I wave the white flag and admit there is no way I can keep up with y'all. I take off for less than 24 hours and I'm 700 posts behind and you're probably talking about something interesting like area rugs in Bilbo Baggins' Bag End house (and why they are boring) and I can't even imagine trying to keep pace. So what's new? I got the Usually Lovely Lady Nuffer to join MFP last week but I haven't yet showed her the forums because I'd be embarrassed that she saw I made it to page seven hundred and sixty mumble and that would thoroughly explain why the laundry is not folded.
Well, I find this to be a highly entertaining post, so don't give up now! Just post and join in when you can. I'm on this thread almost every day, yet still cannot keep up. You aren't alone!
@Italian_Buju, your baby is adorable! Thank you for sharing the pic!0 -
Didn't eat the popcorn! Ate a whole sandwich though..was upset about the popcorn.Possible Confession: I cant help but buy popcorn and candy at the movies. It takes a truly insane person not to want to eat popcorn and candy at the movies. I'm going to the movies tonight... I'll let you know the outcome of my self control.
(about 1,000 calories.)
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pofoster21 wrote: »CountessKitteh wrote: »
Me too! But keeping up with 2 of these is going to be hard. Thank God you all slow down on weekends so I can catch up. I may go back and re read some of yesterday as I was frantically skipping through last night to figure out what had happened and why everyone was feeling we were going to lose this thread.
This is my concern as well. I joined the group, but I'm busy at work all day and I have a hard time keeping up on this thread as it is.0 -
AngryViking1970 wrote: »TigerNY128 wrote: »smashley_mashley wrote: »kellyjellybellyjelly wrote: »smashley_mashley wrote: »Confession: When I am at work and have to go #2, I take my phone with me so I can't read this thread
I hate when I have to poop really badly & someone is in the stall right next to me.
Is is funny b/c it is so true!!
I also hate (and I am not sure if I have posted this here or in the "Things That Make You Irrationally Angry" thread when there are multiple open stalls and you give yourself some space and someone take the stall right beside you. Okay, this just downright pisses me of when people do this.
Me too! Seriously there are five other stalls open down the line and you take the one right next me? Okay creep-o...
Ugh! Happens all the time at work! I hate it!
I just remembered a study that I heard about in 1st or 2nd year psych about bathroom stall selection... assuming availability of empty stalls, introverts will tend to choose stalls at the ends whereas extroverts will choose stalls in the middle.
See, now elsewhere in this forum I'd immediately be taken to task for not providing peer-reviewed citations to back that up, and someone would dig up (and post links to) a dozen studies refuting the findings of the original one, and here I can just toss it out there as an amusing little tidbit of trivia.
and when i read that i think dude! i stick to the ends! this makes sense!!
i was in one of those snarky threads where they were jumping all over this dude for saying he read something in an article, but then couldn't produce it to prove what he said was true and then the mob took over to "prove him wrong." i x'd outta that one pretty fast, but it made me absolutely terrified to post anything.
I'm definitely extroverted and I prefer the stalls on the end!
I do too. I also remember reading somewhere that the first stall is usually the cleanest because people tend to bypass that one in favor of one farther from the door. And no, I don't have sources to cite so back offa me!
That's the one I always choose!0 -
pofoster21 wrote: »Ok folks! I wasn't going to look at this thread again until tonight but I had to jump on to share my excitement. After months of getting close and then jumping up I am officially at goal weight today! Actually .4 below. 210+ days later and 31 lbs. Yay!!!!!
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krissyreminisce wrote: »krissyreminisce wrote: »Confession: I'm starting to get annoyed with eating my two snacks at work. I'd rather ignore the hunger and headaches than eat.
I also have to send my mother a photo of every meal so she knows I'm eating. Though she has asked me twice if I'm lying to her about whether or not I actually eat it. (I do eat my food, btw).
Is the actual food you dislike? The interruption to your work day? Or eating period? I know you are struggling with this so I'm just wondering what specifically the issue is so that maybe we can offer some help. Maybe just drink 2 quick protein drinks in place of those 2 snacks? Quick, easy, yet nourishing.
Remember, you just reached your new PR - the better you take care of yourself the sooner you'll reach your next one!
The only thing about the food that annoys me is I have yet to find something that takes the edge off of the hunger for longer than 20 minutes after I eat it. I'd rather eat nothing than eat something only to be hungry again almost immediately.
But as it stands today, I had a meltdown in front of my dad about how I pretty much can't even say I'm skirting along the edge of an eating disorder, and that I'm in fact beginning to just lose. I skipped dinner last night on purpose (which when my mom found out she was pretty devastated) and I'm just starting to feel apathetic about eating at all. I'm also pissed and sad because I found myself in this place and can't quite seem to climb back out.
I am going to make an appointment with their GP so at least I'll have a doctor (mine up and left for 'personal reasons' and I just never found another).
I also ended up going to urgent care tonight. I may have my first UTI or a kidney infection. I'm on antibiotics and will find out in a few days what my cultures were.
And @Italian_Buju, I'm a few pages behind, but I'm so sorry about your degu.
I kept secretly hoping he'd bounce back. My cat did that when she was 18, looked like she was about to pass, but perked back up until her kidneys finally gave out at 19.
I'll be thinking of you!
Well, definitely UP your water intake! Hopefully whatever infection you have clears quickly. Depending on what types of foods you like and currently eat, I'd suggest nuts or a slice or two of cheese or cottage cheese, maybe? Those things tend to be filling. Fat and protein is the key for me.
I'm glad you're going to a new doctor. I hope they can help. As far as being apathetic towards food and eating, I can relate. I eat for fuel. I don't get excited about food and sometimes I'd rather not eat then go through the trouble of making something for myself. Lazy. But, I know I really like my weight lifting routine and the current progress I've made on the step mill, so I make sure I eat anyway so that I have fuel and energy.
Keep us posted as to how you are and what the doctor says!
I don't even really like eating for fuel. I'm just terrified of gaining the weight back.
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xLoveLikeWinterx wrote: »So my confession for today- I've lost 15 lb now (yay!) I think my body doesn't like it. I'm lazy as anything today, and yesterday I was too. I had energy the last few weeks, now my body is all "nope". My Fitbit isn't smiling at me, I just want to curl up on the couch, and I'm totally phoning in the exercise. I did my 15 min walk this morning and I'll go on my breaks/lunches so I get the 75-90 mins I'm aiming for, but I'm just blah today... And usually I LIKE exercise now. *grrr*
Take a break, slow down, and enjoy it! 15 lbs. is great! Your body physically needs time to repair and adjust.0 -
Glinda1971 wrote: »Thank you all for the birthday wishes.
My confession today is I logged my coffee and then quick added calories for the rest of the day.
I'm taking my birthday off from counting. But I reached my first mini goal of 20 lbs gone by today.
22.4 as of this morning.
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I'm so very behind on this thread. 17 pages.
Since only one of the 4 swimsuits my husband bought worked out, he ordered 3 more a couple days ago. I have decided that I'm going to start tanning so I can have some color for our trip. Hopefully, I can at least have a decent base before we go.
We haven't seen or heard from my stepdaughter since Memorial Day. If anyone is keeping track, that's almost 2 weeks. I'm going to message her tonight or tomorrow if she doesn't bother showing up. I'm done with her *kitten* and I'm done being taken advantage of.
Good for you, I would be too! So disrespectful of her...:(0 -
smashley_mashley wrote: »Confession: Standing in line at Starbuckies just now and a rough looking gentleman was in front of me with the shopping tags still on his pants. I debated about saying anything because i thought it was funny. But then thought if I did something like that, I would want to be told. So I told him. I wish I didn't because he was intoxicated an started mumbling/talking to me and I couldn't understand a word he said so I smiled and nodded in response.
Intoxicated in Starbucks? Huh. What did he order? Wonder if he had just recently stolen the pants!0 -
pofoster21 wrote: »mantium999 wrote: »smashley_mashley wrote: »mantium999 wrote: »mantium999 wrote: »qn4bx9pzg8aifd wrote: »mantium999 wrote: »mantium999 wrote: »Susieq_1994 wrote: »Confession: Honestly, I'm not happy with the thread being stickied. We'll very likely get an influx of sarcastic, unkind, or snarky people ruining our nice thread mojo. *sniffle*
Call me jaded, but that was my first thought too.mantium999 wrote: »
Ok, serious answer, after thinking about it a little. Honestly, I believe this thread alone has kept a bunch of us here on MFP - people who may have wandered off, lost their motivation, felt intimidated to ask questions, or unsupported elsewhere. If one person improves their health and wellness by being part of this thread, then, yes, it warrants sticky status.mantium999 wrote: »What value does this thread bring to General Diet and Weight Loss Help that warrants a sticky status? If page count is a factor, there are plenty of "who wants to see who naked" discussions in Chit Chat that are probably more worthy than this.
I have no problem with the existence of this thread. I just stand by the belief that suggested reading (ie, stickies), should be educational and pertain to the topic of the forum. As far as fun items to give people a reason to return to the site, that's what Chit Chat is for. But that's just me, don't let me rain on your parade. Obviously this thread is popular, just not informative.
"Informative" is a matter of opinion. I, for one, feel VERY "informed" when Pancake announces that he has to pee or we get health updates on various pets.
I now know 100% more about the Muslim religion than I knew a week ago. And this is a good thing.
I've learned a bunch of terms for unusual phobias.
I know how many more exotic varieties of Pop Tarts and peanut butter and breakfast cereal exist in countries other than Canada.
Knowledge is good.
Sure, informative is a matter of opinion. And I also agree that knowledge is good, I seek out lots of it! I simply fail to see the value of directing members, often times who are new, who are seeking information and knowledge about General Diet and Weight Loss (the purpose of this particular sub-forum) to this particular thread. And thank you for making my point with examples of non-diet/weight loss things your learned from this thread.
It was tongue in cheek, as I'm sure you realized. Although I do think Pop Tarts and peanut butter and cereal fall into the diet category.
There have been hundreds of diet/fitness/weight loss questions and tips posted throughout this thread, you just have to wade through 783 pages to find them. Several of us have learned a rather effective upper body workout right here.
A few effective tips, among 783 pages, warranting a status of a helpful thread. Got it.
For the sake of ceasing to derail the purpose of THIS particular thread. I confess to having 3 IPAs last night, BEFORE hitting the weights.
Well, hello, Snarkmeister...
Listen, we aren't suddenly convening before some sort of MFP Supreme Court (and you aren't some sort of Chief Judge (though you do appear to be embracing a role akin to that of a Prosecuting Attorney)), and we don't suddenly need to justify the actions of someone (let alone, someone who has nothing to do with this thread!) doing something we never requested in the first place (and, frankly, involves a reality some of us don't *want*) -- and so we shouldn't be expected to have you or anyone else 'set up kleig lights', and expect us to 'subject ourselves to interrogation' (as though you were some sort of self-appointed attorney, judge, and jury... or some such entity hellbent on seeing a perceived form of 'justice' done)...
If you don't want to participate in the thread, then please, by all means, move on...! -- that is, unless you need to rant about something (other than 'this', or 'us', that is), in which case you are welcome to rant away...!
The world has enough people p*ssing on others -- there's no need to add to *that* 'status quo' (which, not-so-ironically, is part of what this thread is about -- assisting, being helpful, not judging, etc.)...
(...and yeah, my not sprinkling your sudden sarcasm-laced insults with 'rose petals' is not exactly representative of 'this thread'... however, it is a rare thing for rudeness to 'swoop in' on this thread... and I can't stand behavior that reminds me of my favorite bumper sticker -- Mean People Suck...)
Hi there aggressive one! I have no desire to see this thread removed, pretty sure I made that clear. But I stand by what I believe to be a valid point regarding MFP choosing this as a helpful thread within the context of the sub forum in which it exists. Not attacking the participants of this thread, not the purpose of this thread, simply stating that it's purpose isn't necessarily on point with the purpose of why a thread should be a sticky. Sorry you have such a personal attachment and felt offended as a result, but I prefer logic over emotion.
she's not agressive, she's being honest.
if you're struggling so much with the purpose of this thread, and can't see how it might help newbies who are normally ripped apart for the most simplest of questions elsewhere, that's on you, not us.
There's no struggle, the purpose of this thread is not currently related to General Diet and Weight Loss. Again, I have not said it serves no purpose, it just doesn't serve the purpose of this sub forum to the point of being a sticky. New members should have a central location, supported by MFP, to find valuable info to assist them in gaining the knowledge requires to successfully navigate through the contention that occurs in the forums. There are no questions in here that are being clarified, so I don't follow your argument of it being a safe haven for newbies. Is this designed to educate? I don't see it if it is. If you have a rational argument as to what this brings to newbies as far as helping them reach their fitness or weight goals, I'm all ears, but don't chastise me for making a valid comment that none have been able to debate within the context of my point.
Off the top of my head from just the past few weeks:
Binge eating related to stress, hormonal issues, depression, and death in the family
Overeating due to travel for work or vacation
Undereating due to underlying disordered behavior
Dealing with a family member who potentially has an eating disorder
How to handle food situations when you have out of town guests
Unlogged food, the potential psychological impact, and whether or not it's better to log it or ignore it
Workout schedule interruptions due to illness or injury
Advice for starting new workout routines or expanding existing ones
Recommendations comparing and contrasting different lifting programs
How to deal with alcohol in relation to eating and overeating
How to deal with alcohol addiction and its impact on health and weight
Exactly which of these is not relative to General Diet and Weight Loss?
You also hit the nail on the head
Thank you for actually engaging, I appreciate a good debate, especially with one who cares. Do you feel that a single thread, addressing all of those topics, quite briefly, and scattered throughout 789 pages, is helpful to the average new member? I really am not picking a fight, and appreciate different points of view. Here's mine, in more detail, since a couple seem to either care, or are perturbed by my presence. And my confession, is that my point of view is from a former newbie, who came to this sight with many assumptions, unknowns, and misguided beliefs that I held to be true. It took me a long time to understand what people talk about, and fight about, in these forums. And longer still to piece together how that all applies to what I am trying to achieve. I simply want to see new members have an easier time than I did. So here is the picture, as it is in my head....
New member joins, hoping to lose weight and gain knowledge about how to reverse whatever caused them to be where they are today. They head to the forums, to read up on current discussions, since that's what forums tend to be about. They signed up, and signed in, for the purpose of learning how to make a plan. The MFP goal setting confused them somewhat, so forums seem to be a good place to go for help. They bypass the chit chat, because they are here for a purpose. General Diet and Weight Loss seems a reasonable place to start. But they are quickly overwhelmed by numerous threads debating the validity of various acronyms they don't understand. They see a link, right at the top, created by MFP staff, "Most Helpful Posts", so they figure, good place to start, especially if it's suggested by MFP. Where I lose the story is how, with 789 pages of randomness, even if there are some good topics in here, is this thread useful enough to be given the status of "most helpful posts", as it equates to General Diet and Weight Loss. Especially for the newbies that we all seem to care about??? I accept that this thread has value to many. I accept that mental reprieve is useful, especially for the overwhelmed. The responses and number of pages alone are evident that this has become a repository for that. But, with complete honesty, I can't see how it is one of the most helpful threads in regards to THIS particular sub topic. It doesn't focus on General Diet or weight loss, and is nothing more than hundreds of pages of what happens to be on someone's mind at that point in time. Let the thread live on, but don't raise it to the level of most helpful, when there are still very simple topics that new members don't understand, and would benefit by threads clarifying the basics, without clutter.
I can't make it any more clear than that, so if anyone really wants to continue a debate, which I am happy to do, I offer to do it via PM, or a new post. Hope everyone has a pleasant evening.
I appreciate your further explanation and I will add my pov. I started on MyFitnessPal not knowing the forums existed. I stumbled across them and this thread when it was only like 20 pages in. I laughed so hard over those pages but felt like wow, here is a group of people similar to me or who have even more idiosyncrasies than I do. I felt welcome and safe. In here I can ask what CICO and DH and IIFWYM means. As a newbie the level of meanness and the way certain "knowledgeable" people attack other people is unacceptable to me and scary to a "newbie".
In addition to providing support this thread provides a safe have to explain your struggles with food and the other triggers that can easily lead to overeating. Plus it provides a level of accountability. I have explained my desire to do X. I put it in writing. I feel I am now accountable to do X because the folks in this thread are waiting to hear how I did. I am therefore more successful at achieving X.
I can't imagine in MFP a safer, more supportive place for a new person to enter into. And therefore to be more successful.
Another excellent point.
Example: I expressed admiration for a poster's arm and inquired what sort of workout produced that result. Kind poster responded by detailing her workout. I was motivated and encouraged by the idea that I could achieve similar results, so I tried the workout. I feel a certain level of increased accountability because the dear lady took the time to type all that stuff out so I really should stick with it... and report the results of my efforts, particularly as others in the thread have expressed interest in the workout.
I appreciate those of you who have taken the time to patiently and thoughtfully express the merits of this thread. I admit my first response to reading the post about the "point" of this thread was, "OMG! Who cares??!!" Clearly, I'm grumpy today.0 -
SusieQ....I'm too lazy to look up the correct name...I just wanted to chime in on how beautiful Oman is. I spent a week there a couple years ago while on vacation and have some great stories to tell. Most people I met were amazing. Funny story number 1: while walking through a mall I witnessed a man in a pale blue dishdasha walk smack into a man in front of me. I chuckled because I thought they were friends. I'm guessing they were not, since a few seconds later my friend comes up from behind me and has been slapped across the face by that same man! Three years later I still laugh about that.
Wow, that sounds so odd! :-O Maybe he was mentally retarded? (Not an insult, I mean it in the medical sense...) I'm so glad you enjoyed your time there! Most people here probably have no idea what a dishdasha even IS, so welcome to the Oman club!! It's a little bit lonely in here, though, just you and I. 0 -
pofoster21 wrote: »mantium999 wrote: »smashley_mashley wrote: »mantium999 wrote: »mantium999 wrote: »qn4bx9pzg8aifd wrote: »mantium999 wrote: »mantium999 wrote: »Susieq_1994 wrote: »Confession: Honestly, I'm not happy with the thread being stickied. We'll very likely get an influx of sarcastic, unkind, or snarky people ruining our nice thread mojo. *sniffle*
Call me jaded, but that was my first thought too.mantium999 wrote: »
Ok, serious answer, after thinking about it a little. Honestly, I believe this thread alone has kept a bunch of us here on MFP - people who may have wandered off, lost their motivation, felt intimidated to ask questions, or unsupported elsewhere. If one person improves their health and wellness by being part of this thread, then, yes, it warrants sticky status.mantium999 wrote: »What value does this thread bring to General Diet and Weight Loss Help that warrants a sticky status? If page count is a factor, there are plenty of "who wants to see who naked" discussions in Chit Chat that are probably more worthy than this.
I have no problem with the existence of this thread. I just stand by the belief that suggested reading (ie, stickies), should be educational and pertain to the topic of the forum. As far as fun items to give people a reason to return to the site, that's what Chit Chat is for. But that's just me, don't let me rain on your parade. Obviously this thread is popular, just not informative.
"Informative" is a matter of opinion. I, for one, feel VERY "informed" when Pancake announces that he has to pee or we get health updates on various pets.
I now know 100% more about the Muslim religion than I knew a week ago. And this is a good thing.
I've learned a bunch of terms for unusual phobias.
I know how many more exotic varieties of Pop Tarts and peanut butter and breakfast cereal exist in countries other than Canada.
Knowledge is good.
Sure, informative is a matter of opinion. And I also agree that knowledge is good, I seek out lots of it! I simply fail to see the value of directing members, often times who are new, who are seeking information and knowledge about General Diet and Weight Loss (the purpose of this particular sub-forum) to this particular thread. And thank you for making my point with examples of non-diet/weight loss things your learned from this thread.
It was tongue in cheek, as I'm sure you realized. Although I do think Pop Tarts and peanut butter and cereal fall into the diet category.
There have been hundreds of diet/fitness/weight loss questions and tips posted throughout this thread, you just have to wade through 783 pages to find them. Several of us have learned a rather effective upper body workout right here.
A few effective tips, among 783 pages, warranting a status of a helpful thread. Got it.
For the sake of ceasing to derail the purpose of THIS particular thread. I confess to having 3 IPAs last night, BEFORE hitting the weights.
Well, hello, Snarkmeister...
Listen, we aren't suddenly convening before some sort of MFP Supreme Court (and you aren't some sort of Chief Judge (though you do appear to be embracing a role akin to that of a Prosecuting Attorney)), and we don't suddenly need to justify the actions of someone (let alone, someone who has nothing to do with this thread!) doing something we never requested in the first place (and, frankly, involves a reality some of us don't *want*) -- and so we shouldn't be expected to have you or anyone else 'set up kleig lights', and expect us to 'subject ourselves to interrogation' (as though you were some sort of self-appointed attorney, judge, and jury... or some such entity hellbent on seeing a perceived form of 'justice' done)...
If you don't want to participate in the thread, then please, by all means, move on...! -- that is, unless you need to rant about something (other than 'this', or 'us', that is), in which case you are welcome to rant away...!
The world has enough people p*ssing on others -- there's no need to add to *that* 'status quo' (which, not-so-ironically, is part of what this thread is about -- assisting, being helpful, not judging, etc.)...
(...and yeah, my not sprinkling your sudden sarcasm-laced insults with 'rose petals' is not exactly representative of 'this thread'... however, it is a rare thing for rudeness to 'swoop in' on this thread... and I can't stand behavior that reminds me of my favorite bumper sticker -- Mean People Suck...)
Hi there aggressive one! I have no desire to see this thread removed, pretty sure I made that clear. But I stand by what I believe to be a valid point regarding MFP choosing this as a helpful thread within the context of the sub forum in which it exists. Not attacking the participants of this thread, not the purpose of this thread, simply stating that it's purpose isn't necessarily on point with the purpose of why a thread should be a sticky. Sorry you have such a personal attachment and felt offended as a result, but I prefer logic over emotion.
she's not agressive, she's being honest.
if you're struggling so much with the purpose of this thread, and can't see how it might help newbies who are normally ripped apart for the most simplest of questions elsewhere, that's on you, not us.
There's no struggle, the purpose of this thread is not currently related to General Diet and Weight Loss. Again, I have not said it serves no purpose, it just doesn't serve the purpose of this sub forum to the point of being a sticky. New members should have a central location, supported by MFP, to find valuable info to assist them in gaining the knowledge requires to successfully navigate through the contention that occurs in the forums. There are no questions in here that are being clarified, so I don't follow your argument of it being a safe haven for newbies. Is this designed to educate? I don't see it if it is. If you have a rational argument as to what this brings to newbies as far as helping them reach their fitness or weight goals, I'm all ears, but don't chastise me for making a valid comment that none have been able to debate within the context of my point.
Off the top of my head from just the past few weeks:
Binge eating related to stress, hormonal issues, depression, and death in the family
Overeating due to travel for work or vacation
Undereating due to underlying disordered behavior
Dealing with a family member who potentially has an eating disorder
How to handle food situations when you have out of town guests
Unlogged food, the potential psychological impact, and whether or not it's better to log it or ignore it
Workout schedule interruptions due to illness or injury
Advice for starting new workout routines or expanding existing ones
Recommendations comparing and contrasting different lifting programs
How to deal with alcohol in relation to eating and overeating
How to deal with alcohol addiction and its impact on health and weight
Exactly which of these is not relative to General Diet and Weight Loss?
You also hit the nail on the head
Thank you for actually engaging, I appreciate a good debate, especially with one who cares. Do you feel that a single thread, addressing all of those topics, quite briefly, and scattered throughout 789 pages, is helpful to the average new member? I really am not picking a fight, and appreciate different points of view. Here's mine, in more detail, since a couple seem to either care, or are perturbed by my presence. And my confession, is that my point of view is from a former newbie, who came to this sight with many assumptions, unknowns, and misguided beliefs that I held to be true. It took me a long time to understand what people talk about, and fight about, in these forums. And longer still to piece together how that all applies to what I am trying to achieve. I simply want to see new members have an easier time than I did. So here is the picture, as it is in my head....
New member joins, hoping to lose weight and gain knowledge about how to reverse whatever caused them to be where they are today. They head to the forums, to read up on current discussions, since that's what forums tend to be about. They signed up, and signed in, for the purpose of learning how to make a plan. The MFP goal setting confused them somewhat, so forums seem to be a good place to go for help. They bypass the chit chat, because they are here for a purpose. General Diet and Weight Loss seems a reasonable place to start. But they are quickly overwhelmed by numerous threads debating the validity of various acronyms they don't understand. They see a link, right at the top, created by MFP staff, "Most Helpful Posts", so they figure, good place to start, especially if it's suggested by MFP. Where I lose the story is how, with 789 pages of randomness, even if there are some good topics in here, is this thread useful enough to be given the status of "most helpful posts", as it equates to General Diet and Weight Loss. Especially for the newbies that we all seem to care about??? I accept that this thread has value to many. I accept that mental reprieve is useful, especially for the overwhelmed. The responses and number of pages alone are evident that this has become a repository for that. But, with complete honesty, I can't see how it is one of the most helpful threads in regards to THIS particular sub topic. It doesn't focus on General Diet or weight loss, and is nothing more than hundreds of pages of what happens to be on someone's mind at that point in time. Let the thread live on, but don't raise it to the level of most helpful, when there are still very simple topics that new members don't understand, and would benefit by threads clarifying the basics, without clutter.
I can't make it any more clear than that, so if anyone really wants to continue a debate, which I am happy to do, I offer to do it via PM, or a new post. Hope everyone has a pleasant evening.
Quite frankly, I believe the entire forum is about as unhelpful as possible to a new member, especially those who are also net-illiterate in general. The search functions are lacking, the group forums are completely broken, and even the most well meaning stickied threads generally devolve into arguing and trolling along the way, to the point that they are occasionally locked down just so the mods have time to delete some of the trash.
I really don't care if this is stickied or not, nor do I consider any of the stickied threads especially useful to the average newbie. I simply object to the idea that just because this thread meanders, it's not useful. You suggested it would be better suited to chit chat. You apparently don't realize that at one point, the mods moved it there. Within 6 hours it was being spammed with sexual fantasies and "confessions" about checking out women at the gym while they worked out for material to *kitten* to later. It was immediately moved back here, and lucky it survived its very brief visit to the cesspool. If it was left there, the entire tone would have changed. It would no longer be a place for new members to see that their weird habits and perceived failures were normal and not catastrophic. It would be a place for yet more fake accounts to play hot or not.
Agree 100%
I don't post a lot in any threads, but I do enjoy reading this one. I think I have posted twice in this thread, so I would consider myself a lurker. But I had to reply to this negativity. I think this thread is very helpful to new people to this forum. This one has no judgment. Well most of the time. This thread makes me realize that yes, there are other people going through the same crap that I am, the same joys that I am. My emotional well-being has a lot to do with my continued success on my change in eating habit. For me it has to be a change because I went through a recent health scare and I'm not going back there.
The reason I rarely post on the main threads is because I don't like the negative attitude. If you don't 100% believe in CICO and nothing else then how dare you post! (A bit of sarcasm there.) I enjoy reading articles that have been posted about green tea or that how many carbs affect weight loss. Will I post on them, probably not.
Thank you to the posters on this thread!
Thank YOU for stating that so well. You should post more!0 -
I eat less during the day when I know I'll be drinking that night. Keeps me under my calories with a bonus of getting intoxicated cheaply thanks to the empty stomach. Maybe not the healthiest habit in the world...
I must confess this is my plan today.
Today is the day that I get to see New Kids on the Block in concert. Don't judge. I've loved them for forever and have never seen them in concert. I hope they don't play anything new as I don't know anything new, only what my 14 year old self rocked out to so long ago. I only want to hear those gems while getting intoxicated which as a 14 year old loving NKOTB never thought would ever occur. Aww dreams do come true.
Live the dream! Have a great time!0 -
girldownsouth wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »For my weight lifting friends, check this out! strstd.com
I got Intermediate on everything and ALMOST to Advanced on my squat! That gave me a serious mental boost!
That's great. And now I think I want to buy the 5 /3/1 book. I've had the sample on my tablet for a while. I'm in a bit of a rut at the mo, been doing one based on the easy strength book which my old trainer went through with me, been getting a bit bored with it though, I find it quite repetitive. But been considering NROLFW, and have stronglifts on my phone. But I quite liked some of their example workouts.
Edited because for some reason I managed to quote half the thread...
This made me chuckle.
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raelynnsmama52512 wrote: »pofoster21 wrote: »Glinda1971 wrote: »raelynnsmama52512 wrote: »Weighed myself on Wednesday, 198 lbs even, weighed myself just a few minutes ago, 197.6! Progress, people, this is progress! I know it's probably just water weight, but the numbers are finally going down again dammit!
Yay!!
Every step is progress! I love watching my graph go down on MFP. .1 lb at a time...
Yes! And thank you! Oh, I'm so happy right now, and super motivated!
Congrats!0
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