Processed foods
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Like I Said before "Maybe I should have said, Hey Eric later in life you may run into a problem if you consume way to much sugar. "0
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Like I Said before "Maybe I should have said, Hey Eric later in life you may run into a problem if you consume way to much sugar. "
Hey, you may run into problems later in life. Because, well, it's later in life. The number one cause of death is life.0 -
Wait till the Doc tells you that you are diabetic, All the running around you do wont mean a hoot. Keep pumping that suger and salt into your body, cause you will grow older and thats when the real fun starts !
Implying that sugar intake causes diabetes irrespective of body mass and cardiovascular health
Not implying anything , just telling what might happen !
According to Mayo Clinic main risk factors for diabetes include being overweight, high cholesterol, high triglycerides, high blood pressure, inactivity, gestational diabetes, PCOS, race, family history.
Use of sugar and salt not in that list.
There are no ingrediants on that list, what would be a contribution to high cholesterol, high trglycerides, high blood pressure, what are contributing factors to those conditions ?
Wait a second. So now you're saying that excessive sugar and salt intake in otherwise healthy, active people not only cause diabetes but also high cholesterol, triglycerides, and blood pressure?
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Wait till the Doc tells you that you are diabetic, All the running around you do wont mean a hoot. Keep pumping that suger and salt into your body, cause you will grow older and thats when the real fun starts !
Implying that sugar intake causes diabetes irrespective of body mass and cardiovascular health
Not implying anything , just telling what might happen !
According to Mayo Clinic main risk factors for diabetes include being overweight, high cholesterol, high triglycerides, high blood pressure, inactivity, gestational diabetes, PCOS, race, family history.
Use of sugar and salt not in that list.
There are no ingrediants on that list, what would be a contribution to high cholesterol, high trglycerides, high blood pressure, what are contributing factors to those conditions ?
Wait a second. So now you're saying that excessive sugar and salt intake in otherwise healthy, active people not only cause diabetes but also high cholesterol, triglycerides, and blood pressure?
Seriously?
I asked what are the contributing factors to those conditions.0 -
~my tips and rules~
1) visit the farmers market...often!
2) shop fruits and veggies first! (remember this when you shop hungry~I know bad way to shop, but we all do it)
3) Misc canned/processed food in the cabinet? If the human garbage disposal of a 13 yr old that I call my son does not eat it, then I bring it to work and let them fight over the sodium/calorie enriched heart attacks in a can or box that sabotage my efforts. I like to save those days for a treat and not days of convince because I got lazy or "just want".
Today I had pizza, hence the treat. So much better then the bag of cup of soups that I donated about a month ago. Besides, in an office of women that eat poorly it was fun to watch them fight over it...lol. If they only knew!0 -
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Sugar didn't make me fat. In fact, I ate pretty "clean" by popular definition. I just ate too much food. Period. I consumed more calories than I burned.I was talking about the crazy amounts of salt, sugar, and fat often added to processed foods. High levels of these things in our diet are not healthy. Sorry if I was being unclear.
This is also what I meant when I say sugar makes us fat.
It is added into so many foods now that it is easy for the average non calorie counting person to massively over-consume without knowing it.
There is a massive obesity crisis and sugar is a contributing factor in that.
Likewise, eliminating sugar didn't make me lose weight. Eating a caloric deficit made me lose weight.
OP: Make what you can reasonably make from scratch and read nutrition labels on foods you buy. There is nothing wrong with doing this and you can often eat more food for fewer calories when you are in control of what you are making and eating; however, an occasional candy bar or a box of pasta are not going to make you any less healthy.
If you feel better by buying all local and organic and can afford it, have at it.
Just don't expect your weight loss to be faster or your health to be better than the person who buys meat and bread (and maybe a small bag of chips every once in a while) from WalMart, maintains a healthy caloric intake, and exercises regularly.0 -
in today's environment, there is little pure food. Many if not most vegetables are scientifically engineered hybrid. Meats are shot up with more steroids than an NFL lineman. Water isn't even really water any more... even if it is "spring water"... there are all kinds of chemical additives to help "protect us".. (and many are likely necessary)... Even much if not most "organic" foods have some question.. simply, if for no other reason, there is no way really to totally monitor every part of the chain... That being said, of course there are some things that are clearly better than others... Fresh produce, meats from a butcher shop... Avoid just about anything in a package . Lunch meats are pretty much all processed... sausages, weiners, etc. All processing is not necessarily bad.. Kind of hard to make sausage without processing... Other processing, not so good.... Above all else though, avoid SPAM.... (lol)0
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Do you have any data that it doesn't ? If you read those studies you quoted and dug a little deeper into what are contributing factors to those on that list over consumption of salt and sugars will be on those list. Notice I am not saying no-sugar -no salt- .
initial reason for diabetes, heart disease, high cholesterol, high BS
1st reason
-hypercaloric diet
secondary reason
fat intake, carb intake, sedentary lifestyle.
Causes of T2 diabetes is insulin resistance. Causes of insulin resistance are high adipose tissue and lack of BS control. Lifting weights EPOC provides sustained blood sugar control over a period of time. cardio provides BS during. Kind of the same thing as fat oxidation.
Even people on hypocaloric diets that were high carb had decreased insulin resistance(low carb is still effective) just making a point0 -
i tend to stick to whole, uncut meats not grinded meats
eat and cook fresh veggies ONLY
visit sites like Emily Bites and Skinnytaste
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Sugar didn't make me fat. In fact, I ate pretty "clean" by popular definition. I just ate too much food. Period. I consumed more calories than I burned.
Likewise, eliminating sugar didn't make me lose weight. Eating a caloric deficit made me lose weight.
Sure, everyone is different.
But obesity levels are soaring and that is not because the general population are stuffing their faces with too many vegetables and fresh organic meat.
Our food chain is loaded with cheap, pre-made food that is packed with sugar and salt making small amounts of food overly calorific and not very satiating due to the sheer amount of empty calories.
Therefore because its cheap and convenient we" just eat more and more.
Also, the skill of cooking is dying out - the concept of buying raw ingredients and peeling chopping and cooking is simply alien to a large amount of people.0 -
Three things...Sugar didn't make me fat. In fact, I ate pretty "clean" by popular definition. I just ate too much food. Period. I consumed more calories than I burned.
Likewise, eliminating sugar didn't make me lose weight. Eating a caloric deficit made me lose weight.
Sure, everyone is different.
But obesity levels are soaring and that is not because the general population are stuffing their faces with too many vegetables and fresh organic meat.
Our food chain is loaded with cheap, pre-made food that is packed with sugar and salt making small amounts of food overly calorific and not very satiating due to the sheer amount of empty calories.
Therefore because its cheap and convenient we" just eat more and more.
Also, the skill of cooking is dying out - the concept of buying raw ingredients and peeling chopping and cooking is simply alien to a large amount of people.
ONE: salt has no calories so adding it to foods doesn't fill them with empty calories (I am not saying excessive sodium is good for you, I am saying salt doesn't make "small amounts of food overly calorific and not very satiating due to the sheer amount of empty calories."
TWO: I am not a special snowflake. People gain weight when they consume more calories than they burn. My blood pressure and blood sugar levels may have been better than similarly obese people who gorged on Twinkies and Doritos, but I was still obese and unhealthy because I ate too many calories.
THREE: Did you even read the rest of my post? I clearly said that reading labels and making your own food are good things to do. I also said that occasional "processed" treats in an overall healthy lifestyle are not going to hurt.
For the record, I have food allergies that make it vital for me to read labels carefully and to pay attention to the brands I buy. Being an informed consumer is a good thing. Shaming people who view food and nutrition differently than you is not. That goes for the"People who don't care about GMO's are ignorant pigs" crowd, the "Clean eating is a ridiculous and completely unnecessary idea" crowd, the "Grains are evil" crowd, and everyone in between.
We don't all have to eat the same stuff and, even if it is all psychological, there is nothing wrong with choosing a food and fitness lifestyle that is maintainable and enjoyable for you.0 -
Added sugar is empty calories though. Which is obviously what I meant.
I don't care if you're a special snowflake or not, I'm not trying to convince you personally to change your eating habits - I'm making a general comment about a problem affecting the whole developed world.
Yes I did read your whole post but since I'm not aiming my comments directly at you I didn't see the necessity to address specific point you made point by point to say whether I agreed with you or not or to acknowledge each individual point.
I'm well aware of the reality that calorific excess causes obesity - my point still stands - added sugar in processed food makes foods much more calorie dense than the average non calorie counting person would probably even imagine. Therefore they are eating excessive calories.
Sheesh!0 -
Also, the is a massive difference between "shaming" of someone's specific views and making an observation abut a lack of education in nutrition leading to I'll informed choices (such as over consumption of fast food and highly processed foods)0
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I'm well aware of the reality that calorific excess causes obesity - my point still stands - added sugar in processed food makes foods much more calorie dense than the average non calorie counting person would probably even imagine. Therefore they are eating excessive calories.
Sheesh!
You're not automatically eating "excessive calories" by eating calorie-dense foods, or foods loaded with sugar. It's quite possible to eat ice cream, etc, without eating excessive calories.
Lots of us do. Your little conclusion is nonsensical.0 -
I never was fat cause I moved around all the time while still eating TONS of sugar, which people seem to think and preach about making people fat. Also, it is not genetic. My youngest brother is over 300lbs. We grew up with the same diet but he was part of the "stay in and play video games" generation, while I was the "play outside from dawn to dusk" generation.
Well if you're burning off all the sugar you eat, then it's not going to be an issue. I used to be very active and just ate anything. But then when I started working 80 hours per week, I wasn't able to just suddenly stop drinking soda and eating junk. It took me a long time to be able to change the way I eat, and that was only after I realized what a problem it was.0 -
because sugar has no function in the body?Added sugar is empty calories though. Which is obviously what I meant.
I don't care if you're a special snowflake or not, I'm not trying to convince you personally to change your eating habits - I'm making a general comment about a problem affecting the whole developed world.
Yes I did read your whole post but since I'm not aiming my comments directly at you I didn't see the necessity to address specific point you made point by point to say whether I agreed with you or not or to acknowledge each individual point.
I'm well aware of the reality that calorific excess causes obesity - my point still stands - added sugar in processed food makes foods much more calorie dense than the average non calorie counting person would probably even imagine. Therefore they are eating excessive calories.
Sheesh!0 -
Walking diabetes time-bomb if I ever saw one.
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To reply to the Original Posters comment (guys, you've taken this way off the original question!)
Inbetween the off-topic replies you've had there are actually some good suggestions. It's true that most foods we have access to these days have had some level of processing. Even so, you can reduce the amount of *processed* foods in your diet quite easily.
My top two tips for you would be:
1. Cook from scratch wherever possible then you know exactly what ingredients are going into your meal. There are loads of good recipes out there - don't use ones that ask you to add something from a bottle or a jar as a significant part of the flavour.
2. Read all food labels properly - I personally avoid sweeteners, hydrogenated fats, modified starches and maize, colourings, unnatural flavourings, E numbers, aspartame. Fairly often I will read a packet and get some ideas of how to make it myself eg citric acid/use lemon or lime juice; garlic powder/use fresh garlic; stock/boil some vegetables with celery and a few herbs; sweetener/use unrefined sugar or honey or balsamic vinegar (or leave it out altogether).
Good luck, hope it helps, my diary is open if you want to browse for some everyday ideas.0 -
because sugar has no function in the body?Added sugar is empty calories though. Which is obviously what I meant.
I don't care if you're a special snowflake or not, I'm not trying to convince you personally to change your eating habits - I'm making a general comment about a problem affecting the whole developed world.
Yes I did read your whole post but since I'm not aiming my comments directly at you I didn't see the necessity to address specific point you made point by point to say whether I agreed with you or not or to acknowledge each individual point.
I'm well aware of the reality that calorific excess causes obesity - my point still stands - added sugar in processed food makes foods much more calorie dense than the average non calorie counting person would probably even imagine. Therefore they are eating excessive calories.
Sheesh!
You can get all the natural sugars you need from staples such as carrots, sweet potatoes etc...0 -
because sugar has no function in the body?Added sugar is empty calories though. Which is obviously what I meant.
I don't care if you're a special snowflake or not, I'm not trying to convince you personally to change your eating habits - I'm making a general comment about a problem affecting the whole developed world.
Yes I did read your whole post but since I'm not aiming my comments directly at you I didn't see the necessity to address specific point you made point by point to say whether I agreed with you or not or to acknowledge each individual point.
I'm well aware of the reality that calorific excess causes obesity - my point still stands - added sugar in processed food makes foods much more calorie dense than the average non calorie counting person would probably even imagine. Therefore they are eating excessive calories.
Sheesh!
You can get all the natural sugars you need from staples such as carrots, sweet potatoes etc...
whats the difference? Can you tell me chemically?0 -
I'm well aware of the reality that calorific excess causes obesity - my point still stands - added sugar in processed food makes foods much more calorie dense than the average non calorie counting person would probably even imagine. Therefore they are eating excessive calories.
Sheesh!
You're not automatically eating "excessive calories" by eating calorie-dense foods, or foods loaded with sugar. It's quite possible to eat ice cream, etc, without eating excessive calories.
Lots of us do. Your little conclusion is nonsensical.
This entire thread is not about ice cream though - it's about eating processed foods instead of cooked from scratch foods as the main proportion of your diet.
As I said before - do you truly think the US/UKs obesity problem is due to people simply over-eating veg and homecoooked food???0 -
whats the difference? Can you tell me chemically?
No difference chemically, but that wasn't what i was trying to land. I know you can eat ice cream and still stick to a calorie deficit if you so wish. Hell, I even had an ice cream yesterday myself. And stuck to my calorie goal.
This is a thread about processed food and obesity though.
It's easy to over eat. Even easier when even savoury processed food has added sugar to enhance flavour.0 -
whats the difference? Can you tell me chemically?
I think you'll find the difference is about 'nutrition'. Why eat something that replicates the goodness we get from nature?
We each make a choice about how to gain and maintain optimum health - some do it through chemicals, some do it through their food, some do it through both. Go do your own research (if you're interested enough!!)0 -
whats the difference? Can you tell me chemically?
No difference chemically, but that wasn't what i was trying to land. I know you can eat ice cream and still stick to a calorie deficit if you so wish. Hell, I even had an ice cream yesterday myself. And stuck to my calorie goal.
This is a thread about processed food and obesity though.
It's easy to over eat. Even easier when even savoury processed food has added sugar to enhance flavour.
The bolded statements kind of contradict themselves. Sugar has nothing to do with any of this. It's the villian of the decade that's all. It's been beef in the past, cholesterol, fat... Right now it's sugar.
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it was a rhetorical question
whats the difference? Can you tell me chemically?
I think you'll find the difference is about 'nutrition'. Why eat something that replicates the goodness we get from nature?
We each make a choice about how to gain and maintain optimum health - some do it through chemicals, some do it through their food, some do it through both. Go do your own research (if you're interested enough!!)
there is no difference of nutrition between sucrose from fruits or sucrose from candy0 -
I'm well aware of the reality that calorific excess causes obesity - my point still stands - added sugar in processed food makes foods much more calorie dense than the average non calorie counting person would probably even imagine. Therefore they are eating excessive calories.
Sheesh!
You're not automatically eating "excessive calories" by eating calorie-dense foods, or foods loaded with sugar. It's quite possible to eat ice cream, etc, without eating excessive calories.
Lots of us do. Your little conclusion is nonsensical.
This entire thread is not about ice cream though - it's about eating processed foods instead of cooked from scratch foods as the main proportion of your diet.
As I said before - do you truly think the US/UKs obesity problem is due to people simply over-eating veg and homecoooked food???
It's from people overeating, period. It doesn't matter whether they're overeating ice cream or avocado.
"Sugar" and "excess calories" are not synonymous. It's possible to eat plenty of sugar while eating a proper number of calories. It's possible to eat very little sugar while eating excessive calories.
Sugar is not a causative factor in obesity. Calories are. Sure, they often go together, but they also often don't go together. Calories are to blame for obesity, not sugar. Demonizing sugar as you do only makes people think they have to avoid it to achieve their goals, which is silly because they do not.
Every time you scare someone away from a food they love to eat, instead of teaching them how to enjoy it responsibly in the context of appropriate macronutrient targets, you increase their chances of failure. Every time.0 -
It's easy to over eat. Even easier when even savoury processed food has added sugar to enhance flavour.
This is pretty much exactly what I'm talking about.
You're literally saying that since it's easy to overeat really flavorful foods, you should avoid those foods. Why do you want to condemn people to a lifetime of less-flavorful food that they enjoy less?
That's not a long-term sustainable answer. A better answer is to eat those foods you love, but learn how to do it while hitting appropriate nutrient and calorie goals. "Avoid sugar!" isn't a plan for life, it's a stupid pointless warning that does more harm than good.0 -
it was a rhetorical question
there is no difference of nutrition between sucrose from fruits or sucrose from candy
I think it was an arsey question personally. To each their own. This thread wasn't about sucrose or the difference in chemical composition of processed versus unprocessed .. It was the OP asking how to cut what many of us deem to be everyday processed foods. Perhaps you should start a new thread to continue the debate you're having?0
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