I don't eat clean. I won't eat clean. It's a stupid concept.
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damn you guys are quoting each other so much its messing with my eyes! lol how about to each their own stop telling people what to do and being so argumentative and go eat pie
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I have not claimed any science at all. Just that in trusting in someone elses science you are using faith- unles you yourself are the scientist. Clean Eaters will post up a bunch of articles from other men with "scientific facts" saying that they are right. And IIFYMers will do the same... ultimately your trusting one mans "science" or the other. Just call it what it is. Faith.
Faith =\= Science. Faith is believing something without empirical proof. Science is proof. If you can't get your head around that...well, we've all burned a lot of calories typing and banging our heads on the wall at least.
Well aren't you a breath of fresh (and logical) air! :flowerforyou:0 -
First, the phrase "clean eating" is really just a fancy term for eating good, whole foods. It's not a fad diet. It's a wholesome diet--diet here meaning the kinds of food that a person, animal, or community habitually eats- the dictionary definition of the noun diet.
I recommend the documentary "Hungry for Change" then re-evaluate your concept of clean eating being stupid. As previously stated, many people eat clean to rid their body of toxins and chemicals that are found in processed food. Clean food isn't boring or gross. Pumpkin pie can be made using clean foods. Hitting your macros is great, meeting your calorie goal is great, but you'll feel much more satisfied if you're filling that with whole foods rather than Big Macs (not saying you do this, but in general).
it is a fad diet.The Eat-Clean Diet recommends avoiding all saturated fat, trans fats, overprocessed, refined foods -- especially white flour, sugar, sugar-loaded colas, juices, and alcohol.
The plan's guiding principles:
* Each meal should be between 200-300 calories.
* Eat a complex carbohydrate with protein (20-21 grams) at every meal.
* Drink at least 8 cups of water daily.
* Never miss a meal, especially breakfast.
* Consume adequate healthy fats each day.
“I recommend shopping at farmers markets or when at the grocery store, stick to the perimeter and choose foods with one to three pronounceable ingredients only, staying away from any food that comes in a box or bag that man has had a hand in creating or contains ingredients you can’t pronounce,” Reno says.
http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/eat-clean-diet-review
that's a checklist of do's and don't just like the sort you find with every other fad diet. i could debunk every single thing listed there except for the line about consuming healthy fats.
the Eat-Clean diet is not the same as clean eating....
would you like to try and explain the material difference between the two without calling all of the rest of us idiots?
i have yet to see anyone even attempt to define clean eating in this thread though, so good luck with that.
Clean eating would be to cut out as much processed/refined foods as you can and eat food AS IT OCCURS in nature. Think of a spectrum... at one end is a strawberry... picked from a plant.... grown in nature. In the middle of this spectrum is strawberry jam... so we done some things to the strawberry (cooked it, added pure sugar, etc). At the opposite end of the spectrum is strawberry fruit snacks which have very little strawberry left in them (it's mostly processed sugar or additives created in a lab). So clean eating would be those who want to stick to the "strawberry" and middle of the spectrum to cut out processing and additives. It's MUCH better to eat strawberries with a little raw sugar on them then strawberry fruit snacks (or so clean eaters think)
Cutting out all the processing and additives and eat foods as close to their natural state as they can.... does that make sense?
yes, but this is not what everybody means by that term and that's the problem.
also, additives and preservatives are there so that food is more readily available to more people. to try and adhere to your definition on a global basis would mean the deaths of many tens of millions of people due to starvation. it would also mean that foods are only available to people where the foods are produced. for example, nobody in Boston would be able to eat an orange anymore.
but my big complaint is with the idea that this ridiculous and in my view unnecessary standard is held out to people as a magic fix for obesity (just like every other fad diet) with the added component of shame/guilt when those people fail to meet the high standard. professional bodybuilders are obviously not going to have a problem eating "clean" while cutting for a contest. they are focused on the event and are willing/able to severely restrict their intake. however, an 18 year old woman can learn lifetime long food phobias because of the idea that some foods are inherently "bad" and must be avoided.
it's all so wrong and unnecessary. i stick by my statement that ALL foods are allowable in a diet. it's the variety, amount, and frequency with which they are eaten that dictates your weight and nutrition. if you don't like something, don't eat it. but don't avoid anything you do like. there is nothing inherently wrong with processed foods.0 -
17 pages huh? I didnt even get through page 1 and I already crave Easy-Mac0
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I have not claimed any science at all. Just that in trusting in someone elses science you are using faith- unles you yourself are the scientist. Clean Eaters will post up a bunch of articles from other men with "scientific facts" saying that they are right. And IIFYMers will do the same... ultimately your trusting one mans "science" or the other. Just call it what it is. Faith.
Faith =\= Science. Faith is believing something without empirical proof. Science is proof. If you can't get your head around that...well, we've all burned a lot of calories typing and banging our heads on the wall at least.
Where is your proof? In the article that you put your faith in. For every "scientific" article for IIFYM or Clean eating, theres another "scientific" article against it. There's always a new study... a new "proof." It comes down to who's "scientific proof" you are going to believe.
There are many many studies that support eating a proper macro spread for maximum health benefits. What defines a proper spread is somewhat debatable, but it holds true. Your body needs carbs, protein, and fats for proper bodily functions. I doubt many will dispute that.0 -
If you ate clean you wouldn't be so grouchy in the morning.
Agreed.
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damn you guys are quoting each other so much its messing with my eyes! lol how about to each their own stop telling people what to do and being so argumentative and go eat pie
lol, shh on the sweets talk, I'm baking for my son's bday party and and having a hard enough time not eating everything....
Mmmm pie, now I'm going to have to bake a freaking pie ;-)0 -
Show of hands...who hear used to follow Kevin Trudeau and is now a clean eater?
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damn you guys are quoting each other so much its messing with my eyes! lol how about to each their own stop telling people what to do and being so argumentative and go eat pie
lol, shh on the sweets talk, I'm baking for my son's bday party and and having a hard enough time not eating everything....
Mmmm pie, now I'm going to have to bake a freaking pie ;-)
hehe I have an apple one in the oven
its for a bake sale though but my hubby vows to buy it lol 0 -
I look at it this way: If what you're doing is working for you and you're meeting your goals, then keep doing what you're doing. However, if you don't feel good, are not meeting goals you set, are struggling with or suffering from various things, avoiding chemicals, processed foods, sugar/corn syrup, and gluten might help.
It is the same argument with smokers. They smoke because they want to. There has been a lot more research into the health issues, and they know the risk, but they don't care enough to change. You could do a 1000 studies that show corn syrup causes obesity, and they'd still eat it.
The only reason for this to involve anyone else is where health care costs are incurred by the public/tax payers. Some insurance companies now offer discounts if you go to the gym regularly. I expect you're going to see more discount/incentives around food choices as costs go up and insurance companies look for ways to deal with it.0 -
17 pages huh? I didnt even get through page 1 and I already crave Easy-Mac
Here, I'll help ya out.
Clean eaters are the devil. IIFYMers are scientific geniuses who are tired of Clean Eaters calling certain foods the Devil... so... they call clean eaters the devil.
Basically.. its the devil.0 -
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17 pages huh? I didnt even get through page 1 and I already crave Easy-Mac
Here, I'll help ya out.
Clean eaters are the devil. IIFYMers are scientific geniuses who are tired of Clean Eaters calling certain foods the Devil... so... they call clean eaters the devil.
Basically.. its the devil.
ROLF0 -
I have not claimed any science at all. Just that in trusting in someone elses science you are using faith- unles you yourself are the scientist. Clean Eaters will post up a bunch of articles from other men with "scientific facts" saying that they are right. And IIFYMers will do the same... ultimately your trusting one mans "science" or the other. Just call it what it is. Faith.
Faith =\= Science. Faith is believing something without empirical proof. Science is proof. If you can't get your head around that...well, we've all burned a lot of calories typing and banging our heads on the wall at least.
Where is your proof? In the article that you put your faith in. For every "scientific" article for IIFYM or Clean eating, theres another "scientific" article against it. There's always a new study... a new "proof." It comes down to who's "scientific proof" you are going to believe.
There are many many studies that support eating a proper macro spread for maximum health benefits. What defines a proper spread is somewhat debatable, but it holds true. Your body needs carbs, protein, and fats for proper bodily functions. I doubt many will dispute that.
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17 pages huh? I didnt even get through page 1 and I already crave Easy-Mac
Here, I'll help ya out.
Clean eaters are the devil. IIFYMers are scientific geniuses who are tired of Clean Eaters calling certain foods the Devil... so... they call clean eaters the devil.
Basically.. its the devil.
I read that eating popcorn. Super appropriate for this thread. Also, it was cheddar cheese popcorn that is called "Smartfood" even though over 50% of the calories in it come from fat. Nom.0 -
17 pages huh? I didnt even get through page 1 and I already crave Easy-Mac
Here, I'll help ya out.
Clean eaters are the devil. IIFYMers are scientific geniuses who are tired of Clean Eaters calling certain foods the Devil... so... they call clean eaters the devil.
Basically.. its the devil.
I read that eating popcorn. Super appropriate for this thread. Also, it was cheddar cheese popcorn that is called "Smartfood" even though over 50% of the calories in it come from fat. Nom.
Did you schuck the corn yourself? If not, you are the devil. <
sorry I can't help it... I'm overcome with my devilish clean eating ways!0 -
First, the phrase "clean eating" is really just a fancy term for eating good, whole foods. It's not a fad diet. It's a wholesome diet--diet here meaning the kinds of food that a person, animal, or community habitually eats- the dictionary definition of the noun diet.
I recommend the documentary "Hungry for Change" then re-evaluate your concept of clean eating being stupid. As previously stated, many people eat clean to rid their body of toxins and chemicals that are found in processed food. Clean food isn't boring or gross. Pumpkin pie can be made using clean foods. Hitting your macros is great, meeting your calorie goal is great, but you'll feel much more satisfied if you're filling that with whole foods rather than Big Macs (not saying you do this, but in general).
it is a fad diet.The Eat-Clean Diet recommends avoiding all saturated fat, trans fats, overprocessed, refined foods -- especially white flour, sugar, sugar-loaded colas, juices, and alcohol.
The plan's guiding principles:
* Each meal should be between 200-300 calories.
* Eat a complex carbohydrate with protein (20-21 grams) at every meal.
* Drink at least 8 cups of water daily.
* Never miss a meal, especially breakfast.
* Consume adequate healthy fats each day.
“I recommend shopping at farmers markets or when at the grocery store, stick to the perimeter and choose foods with one to three pronounceable ingredients only, staying away from any food that comes in a box or bag that man has had a hand in creating or contains ingredients you can’t pronounce,” Reno says.
http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/eat-clean-diet-review
that's a checklist of do's and don't just like the sort you find with every other fad diet. i could debunk every single thing listed there except for the line about consuming healthy fats.
the Eat-Clean diet is not the same as clean eating....
would you like to try and explain the material difference between the two without calling all of the rest of us idiots?
i have yet to see anyone even attempt to define clean eating in this thread though, so good luck with that.
Clean eating would be to cut out as much processed/refined foods as you can and eat food AS IT OCCURS in nature. Think of a spectrum... at one end is a strawberry... picked from a plant.... grown in nature. In the middle of this spectrum is strawberry jam... so we done some things to the strawberry (cooked it, added pure sugar, etc). At the opposite end of the spectrum is strawberry fruit snacks which have very little strawberry left in them (it's mostly processed sugar or additives created in a lab). So clean eating would be those who want to stick to the "strawberry" and middle of the spectrum to cut out processing and additives. It's MUCH better to eat strawberries with a little raw sugar on them then strawberry fruit snacks (or so clean eaters think)
Cutting out all the processing and additives and eat foods as close to their natural state as they can.... does that make sense?
yes, but this is not what everybody means by that term and that's the problem.
also, additives and preservatives are there so that food is more readily available to more people. to try and adhere to your definition on a global basis would mean the deaths of many tens of millions of people due to starvation. it would also mean that foods are only available to people where the foods are produced. for example, nobody in Boston would be able to eat an orange anymore.
but my big complaint is with the idea that this ridiculous and in my view unnecessary standard is held out to people as a magic fix for obesity (just like every other fad diet) with the added component of shame/guilt when those people fail to meet the high standard. professional bodybuilders are obviously not going to have a problem eating "clean" while cutting for a contest. they are focused on the event and are willing/able to severely restrict their intake. however, an 18 year old woman can learn lifetime long food phobias because of the idea that some foods are inherently "bad" and must be avoided.
it's all so wrong and unnecessary. i stick by my statement that ALL foods are allowable in a diet. it's the variety, amount, and frequency with which they are eaten that dictates your weight and nutrition. if you don't like something, don't eat it. but don't avoid anything you do like. there is nothing inherently wrong with processed foods.
AND THAT....is the beauty of "to each his own" It doesn't matter what we all believe... just that we do what is right for us and our families....0 -
I wouldn't give a rats *kitten* what people choose to eat but I'll say again what's been said before. It's the pretentious, snobby attitude that always goes along with the clean eatin' clan. Can't stand it.
I don't give a rats *kitten* what people choose to eat either, it's the lumping everyone in together and getting down on everyone doing something because you don't like a few that do. Can't stand that.
It's a pretty widespread attitude actually...there's always an exception to the rule and I suppose you're it.0 -
17 pages huh? I didnt even get through page 1 and I already crave Easy-Mac
Here, I'll help ya out.
Clean eaters are the devil. IIFYMers are scientific geniuses who are tired of Clean Eaters calling certain foods the Devil... so... they call clean eaters the devil.
Basically.. its the devil.
I read that eating popcorn. Super appropriate for this thread. Also, it was cheddar cheese popcorn that is called "Smartfood" even though over 50% of the calories in it come from fat. Nom.
Did you schuck the corn yourself? If not, you are the devil. <
sorry I can't help it... I'm overcome with my devilish clean eating ways!
*kitten*...I knew I was doin somethin wrong0 -
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So much win.0 -
lets drink then0
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i worry about calories and macros (and micros) and don't worry what any self-appointed food shamers have to say about anything... ever.
i see lots of people on this site wear "how clean their diet is" as a badge of honor. it's not. it just means you've been hoodwinked into thinking that your success/failure is fully tied up in your food choices. it's not.
if i want rice, i eat rice. if i want an apple, i eat an apple. if i want a piece of pumpkin pie, i eat a piece of pumpkin pie. i don't eat the whole pie. this is how you lose weight and get fit. you don't do it by adhering to lists of "approved" and "unapproved" foods.
maybe i'm too easily irritated this morning, but i'm just sick of seeing people get sucked up into this fad (and related ones) and lose sight of the big picture in the process.
If it was only about losing weight, you could eat nothing but Twinkies (or Pop-Tarts--for the peanut gallery) and, if you stayed within your calorie limit, you would lose weight. But whether or not you would be healthy is another matter. To me, good health is a LOT a part of the equation and that is why I am here to lose weight safely and effectively. I tried crazy crash diets for years, but after I lost the weight, I would always gain it back (plus more) because I was malnourished by the time I was done with the diet.
I think most men here advocate eating 80% "clean" and then 20% whatever appeals to them. But men don't have the same problems losing weight as women do for a lot of reasons which are hormonal in nature. Most women on MFP don't have the luxury of eating whatever they want to.
That last part is untrue.
What specifically are you in disagreement with, Wheird?0 -
i worry about calories and macros (and micros) and don't worry what any self-appointed food shamers have to say about anything... ever.
i see lots of people on this site wear "how clean their diet is" as a badge of honor. it's not. it just means you've been hoodwinked into thinking that your success/failure is fully tied up in your food choices. it's not.
if i want rice, i eat rice. if i want an apple, i eat an apple. if i want a piece of pumpkin pie, i eat a piece of pumpkin pie. i don't eat the whole pie. this is how you lose weight and get fit. you don't do it by adhering to lists of "approved" and "unapproved" foods.
maybe i'm too easily irritated this morning, but i'm just sick of seeing people get sucked up into this fad (and related ones) and lose sight of the big picture in the process.
If it was only about losing weight, you could eat nothing but Twinkies (or Pop-Tarts--for the peanut gallery) and, if you stayed within your calorie limit, you would lose weight. But whether or not you would be healthy is another matter. To me, good health is a LOT a part of the equation and that is why I am here to lose weight safely and effectively. I tried crazy crash diets for years, but after I lost the weight, I would always gain it back (plus more) because I was malnourished by the time I was done with the diet.
I think most men here advocate eating 80% "clean" and then 20% whatever appeals to them. But men don't have the same problems losing weight as women do for a lot of reasons which are hormonal in nature. Most women on MFP don't have the luxury of eating whatever they want to.
That last part is untrue.
What specifically are you in disagreement with, Wheird?
The part saying that moat women on MFP do not have the luxury of eating whatever they want.
Most of the women on my FL are IIFYM followers and have been successful with their weightloss. While it is admittedly a small sample set, I do think it is fairly telling.0 -
< pizza burger and beer body. Just look at my journal. I also eat canned veggies McDonald's and other fast food.0
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I don't get the concept of clean vs dirty food. My nutritionist laughs at the idea and trend. Don't be afraid of food. If I want a slice of pizza or a few pieces of chocolate or sweedish fish, I should learn how to enjoy these things without eating the whole pizza or bag of candy, etc.
She always says, there is no such thing as bad food. Some of the "clean eaters" are just as annoying as some vegans. Get off your high horse.
I didn't know anyone actually LIKED Swedish fish :laugh:0 -
They're trying to catch me eating dirty. LOL
LOL!
I don't know that I have seen a precise definition of eating 'clean' and would never tell someone I'm doing that. However, I think there is nothing but good to encouraging people to eat real, whole foods whenever possible. Go 80/20 on it, that's fine, but IMO you're always going to be better off going for a whole apple or a piece of steak or something like that rather than a lean cuisine/pop tart/etc. If you make it at home, even better. That's not to say you might not still want to watch your cals/macros but all things being equal healthwise I will say that whole real foods are always better than fake processed stuff.
This thread has been kind of hilarious, though, and thanks for all the homey the clown gifs!0 -
lets drink then
Where's the beer tent? What? Do you think I run for my health?0 -
I eat clean (or my own definition of what that means to me).
Do I preach to others that should / have to eat clean to lose weight? Absolutely not. That would make me a hypocrite. I lost 113 pounds eating processed foods and fast foods... basically I consumed anything edible that came out of can, box, package or carton. I also maintained my weight loss doing the same... but for me, that was a struggle.
I made a choice (for myself) to cut out as much processed foods as possible. I like and enjoy the foods I eat. I feel better when I consume more vegetables, lean protien, and healthy fats. That's just me.
But... that being said... I tend to eat 60% to 80% clean (try for 80% but often don't), which for me (again, by my own definition) means eating foods that are close to nature as possible. Yes, I fall short of this a lot, but it's a learning experience for me. I always trying new things to find what does and does not work for me. I'm trying to find the right balance of making healthier choices and still occasionally having the foods I love... all the while trying to maintain my weight loss.
So I guess what I'm saying is that everyone needs to find their own path to weight loss, health or whatever reason that brought them here. Bums me out there is so much bickering about what is the "right" way or "best" way or "only" way to get the weight off and be healthy. If there was just one way to do it... well, then I wouldn't have struggled so long to lose the weight in the first place!0 -
Show of hands...who hear used to follow Kevin Trudeau and is now a clean eater?
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OMG that guy is a total quack!!!!! :noway:0
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