Did I sabotage my diet plan?
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Wow, what's with all of the negativity here? She asked a simple question. I for one think it's wonderful that the OP is trying to eat healthier. So what if she called it a detox? From the sound of it (1500 calories a day, all whole foods and veggies), it sounds very healthy.0
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just wanted to add that there are some legitimate purposes to 'detoxes'. I have severe allergies - many of them foods - and because they present differently than most food allergies, they hadn't been discovered by allergy testing. I was extremely sick even though I was eating 'healthfully' about 15 years ago now. I asked a friend who was a nurse help me create a diet to detox my body - i wasn't looking to lose weight - i was looking to elimiante whatever was making me feel crappy. It was one of the best decisions of my life, because I discovered all my food allergies and am now healthier than i ever have been, from avoiding these foods.
I think you might be confusing detox with an elimination diet.0 -
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Who is in for some chelation therapy?
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TheVirgoddess wrote: »just wanted to add that there are some legitimate purposes to 'detoxes'. I have severe allergies - many of them foods - and because they present differently than most food allergies, they hadn't been discovered by allergy testing. I was extremely sick even though I was eating 'healthfully' about 15 years ago now. I asked a friend who was a nurse help me create a diet to detox my body - i wasn't looking to lose weight - i was looking to elimiante whatever was making me feel crappy. It was one of the best decisions of my life, because I discovered all my food allergies and am now healthier than i ever have been, from avoiding these foods.
I think you might be confusing detox with an elimination diet.
this. your body processing food and then not eating any more of said food is not a detox.0 -
Wow, what's with all of the negativity here? She asked a simple question. I for one think it's wonderful that the OP is trying to eat healthier. So what if she called it a detox? From the sound of it (1500 calories a day, all whole foods and veggies), it sounds very healthy.
did you miss the part where she was restricting pasta...?
but thanks for your opinion0 -
Wow, what's with all of the negativity here? She asked a simple question. I for one think it's wonderful that the OP is trying to eat healthier. So what if she called it a detox? From the sound of it (1500 calories a day, all whole foods and veggies), it sounds very healthy.
The only issue is that she may understand what she meant, but newbies who come after her and read this thread won't know what she meant. For their sake, we want to be clear that there is no such thing as a "detox" diet, and many of those diets touted as such are very harmful. Her diet sounds fine, from what little she's shared, and she's welcome to call it whatever she likes, so long as those who come after know that it is not a detox diet.0 -
Wow, what's with all of the negativity here? She asked a simple question. I for one think it's wonderful that the OP is trying to eat healthier. So what if she called it a detox? From the sound of it (1500 calories a day, all whole foods and veggies), it sounds very healthy.
did you miss the part where she was restricting pasta...?
but thanks for your opinion
and only allowed to eat meat in the form of fish. i still can't wrap my head around that one.0 -
blktngldhrt wrote: »Wow, what's with all of the negativity here? She asked a simple question. I for one think it's wonderful that the OP is trying to eat healthier. So what if she called it a detox? From the sound of it (1500 calories a day, all whole foods and veggies), it sounds very healthy.
did you miss the part where she was restricting pasta...?
but thanks for your opinion
and only allowed to eat meat in the form of fish. i still can't wrap my head around that one.
And no mention of dietary fat...0 -
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blktngldhrt wrote: »Wow, what's with all of the negativity here? She asked a simple question. I for one think it's wonderful that the OP is trying to eat healthier. So what if she called it a detox? From the sound of it (1500 calories a day, all whole foods and veggies), it sounds very healthy.
did you miss the part where she was restricting pasta...?
but thanks for your opinion
and only allowed to eat meat in the form of fish. i still can't wrap my head around that one.
And no mention of dietary fat...
trainer wanted her to detox the wrong fats, i believe.0 -
The problem is that you can be healthy and not restrict anything, if you choose.
From what we know, which isn't much, this is a very restrictive diet. OP says herself she has a hard time staying on the wagon. Why make it harder by labeling foods as bad.
And I'm not even getting into the fact that there is no need to "detox" or "prepare" the body to lift heavier weights. As long as the OP is maintaining a reasonable deficit (if weight loss is her goal) and getting a good balance of protein, carbs and fats, that's all she needs to do.
And a diet without dietary fat? Horrible, horrible plan.0 -
blktngldhrt wrote: »TheVirgoddess wrote: »just wanted to add that there are some legitimate purposes to 'detoxes'. I have severe allergies - many of them foods - and because they present differently than most food allergies, they hadn't been discovered by allergy testing. I was extremely sick even though I was eating 'healthfully' about 15 years ago now. I asked a friend who was a nurse help me create a diet to detox my body - i wasn't looking to lose weight - i was looking to elimiante whatever was making me feel crappy. It was one of the best decisions of my life, because I discovered all my food allergies and am now healthier than i ever have been, from avoiding these foods.
I think you might be confusing detox with an elimination diet.
this. your body processing food and then not eating any more of said food is not a detox.
Some detox diets are very similiar to elimination diet i.e. wild rose - gets rid of gluten, yeast, anything fermented, dairy, high glycemic index foods, organic only, etc. Going on a pre-cleanse diet like wild rose could helps some people identify food intolerances or possible difficulties with sugar (through lowering carbs). An elimination diet has helped a lot of people I know, but they are only really necessary when someone is having symptoms of a possible food intolerance/chemical sensitivities/insulin resistance i.e. tummy troubles, headaches, fatigue, irritability, cognitive problems etc.0 -
because restriction can hamper a persons efforts. not everyone is the same.
the point was that the trainer sounded sketchy and people were warning the OP that there were a few red flags concerning the information she was given.0 -
The problem is that you can be healthy and not restrict anything, if you choose.
From what we know, which isn't much, this is a very restrictive diet. OP says herself she has a hard time staying on the wagon. Why make it harder by labeling foods as bad.
And I'm not even getting into the fact that there is no need to "detox" or "prepare" the body to lift heavier weights. As long as the OP is maintaining a reasonable deficit (if weight loss is her goal) and getting a good balance of protein, carbs and fats, that's all she needs to do.
And a diet without dietary fat? Horrible, horrible plan.
I have a friend who did an all fruit diet. Tried to sell it to me and told me about the side effects. Yeah one side effect alone told me told to tell him stop with this ridiculous way of eating.0 -
because it is totally unnecessary barring a medical condition.
plus her trainer recommended a two week diet to get ready for training which is BS ..
I really don't feel like rehashing everything that was wrong with the first four pages...
additionally, OP never truly clarified what this plan is. It started as a detox and then morphed into a "pre-training" diet...whatever that is..0 -
blktngldhrt wrote: »TheVirgoddess wrote: »just wanted to add that there are some legitimate purposes to 'detoxes'. I have severe allergies - many of them foods - and because they present differently than most food allergies, they hadn't been discovered by allergy testing. I was extremely sick even though I was eating 'healthfully' about 15 years ago now. I asked a friend who was a nurse help me create a diet to detox my body - i wasn't looking to lose weight - i was looking to elimiante whatever was making me feel crappy. It was one of the best decisions of my life, because I discovered all my food allergies and am now healthier than i ever have been, from avoiding these foods.
I think you might be confusing detox with an elimination diet.
this. your body processing food and then not eating any more of said food is not a detox.
Some detox diets are very similiar to elimination diet i.e. wild rose - gets rid of gluten, yeast, anything fermented, dairy, high glycemic index foods, organic only, etc. Going on a pre-cleanse diet like wild rose could helps some people identify food intolerances or possible difficulties with sugar (through lowering carbs). An elimination diet has helped a lot of people I know, but they are only really necessary when someone is having symptoms of a possible food intolerance/chemical sensitivities/insulin resistance i.e. tummy troubles, headaches, fatigue, irritability, cognitive problems etc.
An elimination diet consists of removing suspected allergens from one's diet ... it has nothing to do with eating wild rose or anything esle to "detox" the body.
http://www.webmd.com/allergies/guide/allergies-elimination-diet
Once again ...
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/dec/05/detox-myth-health-diet-science-ignorance0 -
blktngldhrt wrote: »
because restriction can hamper a persons efforts. not everyone is the same.
the point was that the trainer sounded sketchy and people were warning the OP that there were a few red flags concerning the information she was given.
Agreed.
By saying you are "detoxing" by restricting certain foods (like pasta, sugar, meat, etc), it implies that these foods are "toxic" and detrimental to your health/progress. It doesn't teach sustainability for those that are not informed about why cutting out foods might seemingly increase their weight loss.
I.E - cutting out carbs might seem faster but it's more due to the depletion of glycogen. Also replacing certain foods with those that are less calorie dense just makes/increases the deficit you are eating at. It's not that those foods are good or bad, because food in general isn't good or bad.
That's another problem with labeling things as toxic or claiming doing X-Diet will detox you. It's creating a mind frame in which you demonize certain foods. Especially as the OP has stated she has issues with giving up after one mishap, pushing this mind frame is just going to make it worse (speaking from experience).0 -
blktngldhrt wrote: »TheVirgoddess wrote: »just wanted to add that there are some legitimate purposes to 'detoxes'. I have severe allergies - many of them foods - and because they present differently than most food allergies, they hadn't been discovered by allergy testing. I was extremely sick even though I was eating 'healthfully' about 15 years ago now. I asked a friend who was a nurse help me create a diet to detox my body - i wasn't looking to lose weight - i was looking to elimiante whatever was making me feel crappy. It was one of the best decisions of my life, because I discovered all my food allergies and am now healthier than i ever have been, from avoiding these foods.
I think you might be confusing detox with an elimination diet.
this. your body processing food and then not eating any more of said food is not a detox.
Some detox diets are very similiar to elimination diet i.e. wild rose - gets rid of gluten, yeast, anything fermented, dairy, high glycemic index foods, organic only, etc. Going on a pre-cleanse diet like wild rose could helps some people identify food intolerances or possible difficulties with sugar (through lowering carbs). An elimination diet has helped a lot of people I know, but they are only really necessary when someone is having symptoms of a possible food intolerance/chemical sensitivities/insulin resistance i.e. tummy troubles, headaches, fatigue, irritability, cognitive problems etc.
Gluten, yeast, dairy et al are not toxins.
Detoxify = removing toxins from your body.0 -
Dont skip a meal, just continue whatever you planned.0
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OP,
I would like to ask you this and if you have read my comments before on the forum with a thread such as this one it may come as I sound like a broken record but anyways ....
Would you go to a barber to bake your birthday cake?
If you have questions about your diet/nutrition see a dietitian or nutritionist.
As for your workout instructor let him focus on your workout plans.0 -
brianpperkins wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »TheVirgoddess wrote: »just wanted to add that there are some legitimate purposes to 'detoxes'. I have severe allergies - many of them foods - and because they present differently than most food allergies, they hadn't been discovered by allergy testing. I was extremely sick even though I was eating 'healthfully' about 15 years ago now. I asked a friend who was a nurse help me create a diet to detox my body - i wasn't looking to lose weight - i was looking to elimiante whatever was making me feel crappy. It was one of the best decisions of my life, because I discovered all my food allergies and am now healthier than i ever have been, from avoiding these foods.
I think you might be confusing detox with an elimination diet.
this. your body processing food and then not eating any more of said food is not a detox.
Some detox diets are very similiar to elimination diet i.e. wild rose - gets rid of gluten, yeast, anything fermented, dairy, high glycemic index foods, organic only, etc. Going on a pre-cleanse diet like wild rose could helps some people identify food intolerances or possible difficulties with sugar (through lowering carbs). An elimination diet has helped a lot of people I know, but they are only really necessary when someone is having symptoms of a possible food intolerance/chemical sensitivities/insulin resistance i.e. tummy troubles, headaches, fatigue, irritability, cognitive problems etc.
An elimination diet consists of removing suspected allergens from one's diet ... it has nothing to do with eating wild rose or anything esle to "detox" the body.
http://www.webmd.com/allergies/guide/allergies-elimination-diet
Once again ...
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/dec/05/detox-myth-health-diet-science-ignorance
I'm just saying that an elimination diet and a "detox" diet often remove the same food items, and either could help the dieter to realize that they have existing food intolerances. I can see why someone would confuse the two. Health benefits experienced by people on a "detox" could just be from removing foods they have problems with from their diets (i.e. gluten, high gi, etc).0 -
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brianpperkins wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »TheVirgoddess wrote: »just wanted to add that there are some legitimate purposes to 'detoxes'. I have severe allergies - many of them foods - and because they present differently than most food allergies, they hadn't been discovered by allergy testing. I was extremely sick even though I was eating 'healthfully' about 15 years ago now. I asked a friend who was a nurse help me create a diet to detox my body - i wasn't looking to lose weight - i was looking to elimiante whatever was making me feel crappy. It was one of the best decisions of my life, because I discovered all my food allergies and am now healthier than i ever have been, from avoiding these foods.
I think you might be confusing detox with an elimination diet.
this. your body processing food and then not eating any more of said food is not a detox.
Some detox diets are very similiar to elimination diet i.e. wild rose - gets rid of gluten, yeast, anything fermented, dairy, high glycemic index foods, organic only, etc. Going on a pre-cleanse diet like wild rose could helps some people identify food intolerances or possible difficulties with sugar (through lowering carbs). An elimination diet has helped a lot of people I know, but they are only really necessary when someone is having symptoms of a possible food intolerance/chemical sensitivities/insulin resistance i.e. tummy troubles, headaches, fatigue, irritability, cognitive problems etc.
An elimination diet consists of removing suspected allergens from one's diet ... it has nothing to do with eating wild rose or anything esle to "detox" the body.
http://www.webmd.com/allergies/guide/allergies-elimination-diet
Once again ...
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/dec/05/detox-myth-health-diet-science-ignorance
I'm just saying that an elimination diet and a "detox" diet often remove the same food items, and either could help the dieter to realize that they have existing food intolerances. I can see why someone would confuse the two. Health benefits experienced by people on a "detox" could just be from removing foods they have problems with from their diets (i.e. gluten, high gi, etc).
You're intermixing disparate terms.
An elimination diet removes potential allergens in an effort to identify them.
A detox removes toxins.
Allergens and toxins are different things.0 -
brianpperkins wrote: »brianpperkins wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »TheVirgoddess wrote: »just wanted to add that there are some legitimate purposes to 'detoxes'. I have severe allergies - many of them foods - and because they present differently than most food allergies, they hadn't been discovered by allergy testing. I was extremely sick even though I was eating 'healthfully' about 15 years ago now. I asked a friend who was a nurse help me create a diet to detox my body - i wasn't looking to lose weight - i was looking to elimiante whatever was making me feel crappy. It was one of the best decisions of my life, because I discovered all my food allergies and am now healthier than i ever have been, from avoiding these foods.
I think you might be confusing detox with an elimination diet.
this. your body processing food and then not eating any more of said food is not a detox.
Some detox diets are very similiar to elimination diet i.e. wild rose - gets rid of gluten, yeast, anything fermented, dairy, high glycemic index foods, organic only, etc. Going on a pre-cleanse diet like wild rose could helps some people identify food intolerances or possible difficulties with sugar (through lowering carbs). An elimination diet has helped a lot of people I know, but they are only really necessary when someone is having symptoms of a possible food intolerance/chemical sensitivities/insulin resistance i.e. tummy troubles, headaches, fatigue, irritability, cognitive problems etc.
An elimination diet consists of removing suspected allergens from one's diet ... it has nothing to do with eating wild rose or anything esle to "detox" the body.
http://www.webmd.com/allergies/guide/allergies-elimination-diet
Once again ...
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/dec/05/detox-myth-health-diet-science-ignorance
I'm just saying that an elimination diet and a "detox" diet often remove the same food items, and either could help the dieter to realize that they have existing food intolerances. I can see why someone would confuse the two. Health benefits experienced by people on a "detox" could just be from removing foods they have problems with from their diets (i.e. gluten, high gi, etc).
You're intermixing disparate terms.
An elimination diet removes potential allergens in an effort to identify them.
A detox removes toxins.
Allergens and toxins are different things.
Operational definition: When I am referring to a "detox" diet, I am referring to a diet that advertises itself as a detox diet. I am not making any claims to that diet's effectiveness in removing toxins from the body.
It is a word choice, and criticising someone's use of language is against MFP forum guidelines.
Obviously, most diets already assist the body in removing toxins (by providing water, energy, protein, fat, and micronutrients to support the body's natural processes). "Detox" diets often encourage eating fruits and vegetables, which have phytonutrients and antioxidants (prevent disease), and reduce foods that have more "toxins" in them, by promoting organic foods, and eliminating foods like processed meat (nitrates/nitrites) that contribute to disease.
And, my point stands. There are diets that advertise themselves as "detox" that are really elimination diets. So long as there are no inherent risks to the proposed diet, there is no reason to attack someone for following it, or to call them gullible. OP is not proposing doing the Master Cleanse. If she wants to try eating a little differently for a couple of weeks, she will in that time figure out for herself if anything in the meal plan works for her. If not, she can choose just not to do it again. Concerns can be expressed without insults. And, lessons can be learned from the experience. The Wild Rose diet wasn't for me long term, but I am benefitting now from the lessons I learned when following it (i.e. I need dairy to diet successfully and I can eat brown rice, popcorn, and almonds till I'm stuffed, and stay at a deficit). And, to OP -
+1 for getting back on the wagon after a binge. As far as I can tell, the diet is not harmful. In general, try to meet macros and micros and stay in a calorie deficit, and weight loss will be achieved. One binge does not mean the journey ends. Twenty binges doesn't mean the journey ends. If a food is making it harder to stay in your calorie deficit, or just makes you feel awful when you eat it, consider reducing it. If not, feel free to include it. Most people got overweight by eating a little too much everyday, not from binges. Most people can lose weight when eating a calorie range, not the exact same number of calories every day. And most people can lose the weight even when their dietary adherence isn't perfect. Best wishes on the journey
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brianpperkins wrote: »brianpperkins wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »TheVirgoddess wrote: »just wanted to add that there are some legitimate purposes to 'detoxes'. I have severe allergies - many of them foods - and because they present differently than most food allergies, they hadn't been discovered by allergy testing. I was extremely sick even though I was eating 'healthfully' about 15 years ago now. I asked a friend who was a nurse help me create a diet to detox my body - i wasn't looking to lose weight - i was looking to elimiante whatever was making me feel crappy. It was one of the best decisions of my life, because I discovered all my food allergies and am now healthier than i ever have been, from avoiding these foods.
I think you might be confusing detox with an elimination diet.
this. your body processing food and then not eating any more of said food is not a detox.
Some detox diets are very similiar to elimination diet i.e. wild rose - gets rid of gluten, yeast, anything fermented, dairy, high glycemic index foods, organic only, etc. Going on a pre-cleanse diet like wild rose could helps some people identify food intolerances or possible difficulties with sugar (through lowering carbs). An elimination diet has helped a lot of people I know, but they are only really necessary when someone is having symptoms of a possible food intolerance/chemical sensitivities/insulin resistance i.e. tummy troubles, headaches, fatigue, irritability, cognitive problems etc.
An elimination diet consists of removing suspected allergens from one's diet ... it has nothing to do with eating wild rose or anything esle to "detox" the body.
http://www.webmd.com/allergies/guide/allergies-elimination-diet
Once again ...
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/dec/05/detox-myth-health-diet-science-ignorance
I'm just saying that an elimination diet and a "detox" diet often remove the same food items, and either could help the dieter to realize that they have existing food intolerances. I can see why someone would confuse the two. Health benefits experienced by people on a "detox" could just be from removing foods they have problems with from their diets (i.e. gluten, high gi, etc).
You're intermixing disparate terms.
An elimination diet removes potential allergens in an effort to identify them.
A detox removes toxins.
Allergens and toxins are different things.
Operational definition: When I am referring to a "detox" diet, I am referring to a diet that advertises itself as a detox diet. I am not making any claims to that diet's effectiveness in removing toxins from the body.
It is a word choice, and criticising someone's use of language is against MFP forum guidelines.
Obviously, most diets already assist the body in removing toxins (by providing water, energy, protein, fat, and micronutrients to support the body's natural processes). "Detox" diets often encourage eating fruits and vegetables, which have phytonutrients and antioxidants (prevent disease), and reduce foods that have more "toxins" in them, by promoting organic foods, and eliminating foods like processed meat (nitrates/nitrites) that contribute to disease.
And, my point stands. There are diets that advertise themselves as "detox" that are really elimination diets. So long as there are no inherent risks to the proposed diet, there is no reason to attack someone for following it, or to call them gullible. OP is not proposing doing the Master Cleanse. If she wants to try eating a little differently for a couple of weeks, she will in that time figure out for herself if anything in the meal plan works for her. If not, she can choose just not to do it again. Concerns can be expressed without insults. And, lessons can be learned from the experience. The Wild Rose diet wasn't for me long term, but I am benefitting now from the lessons I learned when following it (i.e. I need dairy to diet successfully and I can eat brown rice, popcorn, and almonds till I'm stuffed, and stay at a deficit). And, to OP -
+1 for getting back on the wagon after a binge. As far as I can tell, the diet is not harmful. In general, try to meet macros and micros and stay in a calorie deficit, and weight loss will be achieved. One binge does not mean the journey ends. Twenty binges doesn't mean the journey ends. If a food is making it harder to stay in your calorie deficit, or just makes you feel awful when you eat it, consider reducing it. If not, feel free to include it. Most people got overweight by eating a little too much everyday, not from binges. Most people can lose weight when eating a calorie range, not the exact same number of calories every day. And most people can lose the weight even when their dietary adherence isn't perfect. Best wishes on the journeybrianpperkins wrote: »brianpperkins wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »TheVirgoddess wrote: »just wanted to add that there are some legitimate purposes to 'detoxes'. I have severe allergies - many of them foods - and because they present differently than most food allergies, they hadn't been discovered by allergy testing. I was extremely sick even though I was eating 'healthfully' about 15 years ago now. I asked a friend who was a nurse help me create a diet to detox my body - i wasn't looking to lose weight - i was looking to elimiante whatever was making me feel crappy. It was one of the best decisions of my life, because I discovered all my food allergies and am now healthier than i ever have been, from avoiding these foods.
I think you might be confusing detox with an elimination diet.
this. your body processing food and then not eating any more of said food is not a detox.
Some detox diets are very similiar to elimination diet i.e. wild rose - gets rid of gluten, yeast, anything fermented, dairy, high glycemic index foods, organic only, etc. Going on a pre-cleanse diet like wild rose could helps some people identify food intolerances or possible difficulties with sugar (through lowering carbs). An elimination diet has helped a lot of people I know, but they are only really necessary when someone is having symptoms of a possible food intolerance/chemical sensitivities/insulin resistance i.e. tummy troubles, headaches, fatigue, irritability, cognitive problems etc.
An elimination diet consists of removing suspected allergens from one's diet ... it has nothing to do with eating wild rose or anything esle to "detox" the body.
http://www.webmd.com/allergies/guide/allergies-elimination-diet
Once again ...
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/dec/05/detox-myth-health-diet-science-ignorance
I'm just saying that an elimination diet and a "detox" diet often remove the same food items, and either could help the dieter to realize that they have existing food intolerances. I can see why someone would confuse the two. Health benefits experienced by people on a "detox" could just be from removing foods they have problems with from their diets (i.e. gluten, high gi, etc).
You're intermixing disparate terms.
An elimination diet removes potential allergens in an effort to identify them.
A detox removes toxins.
Allergens and toxins are different things.
Operational definition: When I am referring to a "detox" diet, I am referring to a diet that advertises itself as a detox diet. I am not making any claims to that diet's effectiveness in removing toxins from the body.
It is a word choice, and criticising someone's use of language is against MFP forum guidelines.
Obviously, most diets already assist the body in removing toxins (by providing water, energy, protein, fat, and micronutrients to support the body's natural processes). "Detox" diets often encourage eating fruits and vegetables, which have phytonutrients and antioxidants (prevent disease), and reduce foods that have more "toxins" in them, by promoting organic foods, and eliminating foods like processed meat (nitrates/nitrites) that contribute to disease.
And, my point stands. There are diets that advertise themselves as "detox" that are really elimination diets. So long as there are no inherent risks to the proposed diet, there is no reason to attack someone for following it, or to call them gullible. OP is not proposing doing the Master Cleanse. If she wants to try eating a little differently for a couple of weeks, she will in that time figure out for herself if anything in the meal plan works for her. If not, she can choose just not to do it again. Concerns can be expressed without insults. And, lessons can be learned from the experience. The Wild Rose diet wasn't for me long term, but I am benefitting now from the lessons I learned when following it (i.e. I need dairy to diet successfully and I can eat brown rice, popcorn, and almonds till I'm stuffed, and stay at a deficit). And, to OP -
+1 for getting back on the wagon after a binge. As far as I can tell, the diet is not harmful. In general, try to meet macros and micros and stay in a calorie deficit, and weight loss will be achieved. One binge does not mean the journey ends. Twenty binges doesn't mean the journey ends. If a food is making it harder to stay in your calorie deficit, or just makes you feel awful when you eat it, consider reducing it. If not, feel free to include it. Most people got overweight by eating a little too much everyday, not from binges. Most people can lose weight when eating a calorie range, not the exact same number of calories every day. And most people can lose the weight even when their dietary adherence isn't perfect. Best wishes on the journey
Now you're talking about "detox diets"? It seems you can't keep your own story straight.
Noting a deliberate word choice that intentionally interchanges opposing terms is not commenting on one's mastery of written English or their spelling.0 -
brianpperkins wrote: »brianpperkins wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »TheVirgoddess wrote: »just wanted to add that there are some legitimate purposes to 'detoxes'. I have severe allergies - many of them foods - and because they present differently than most food allergies, they hadn't been discovered by allergy testing. I was extremely sick even though I was eating 'healthfully' about 15 years ago now. I asked a friend who was a nurse help me create a diet to detox my body - i wasn't looking to lose weight - i was looking to elimiante whatever was making me feel crappy. It was one of the best decisions of my life, because I discovered all my food allergies and am now healthier than i ever have been, from avoiding these foods.
I think you might be confusing detox with an elimination diet.
this. your body processing food and then not eating any more of said food is not a detox.
Some detox diets are very similiar to elimination diet i.e. wild rose - gets rid of gluten, yeast, anything fermented, dairy, high glycemic index foods, organic only, etc. Going on a pre-cleanse diet like wild rose could helps some people identify food intolerances or possible difficulties with sugar (through lowering carbs). An elimination diet has helped a lot of people I know, but they are only really necessary when someone is having symptoms of a possible food intolerance/chemical sensitivities/insulin resistance i.e. tummy troubles, headaches, fatigue, irritability, cognitive problems etc.
An elimination diet consists of removing suspected allergens from one's diet ... it has nothing to do with eating wild rose or anything esle to "detox" the body.
http://www.webmd.com/allergies/guide/allergies-elimination-diet
Once again ...
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/dec/05/detox-myth-health-diet-science-ignorance
I'm just saying that an elimination diet and a "detox" diet often remove the same food items, and either could help the dieter to realize that they have existing food intolerances. I can see why someone would confuse the two. Health benefits experienced by people on a "detox" could just be from removing foods they have problems with from their diets (i.e. gluten, high gi, etc).
You're intermixing disparate terms.
An elimination diet removes potential allergens in an effort to identify them.
A detox removes toxins.
Allergens and toxins are different things.
Operational definition: When I am referring to a "detox" diet, I am referring to a diet that advertises itself as a detox diet. I am not making any claims to that diet's effectiveness in removing toxins from the body.
It is a word choice, and criticising someone's use of language is against MFP forum guidelines.
Obviously, most diets already assist the body in removing toxins (by providing water, energy, protein, fat, and micronutrients to support the body's natural processes). "Detox" diets often encourage eating fruits and vegetables, which have phytonutrients and antioxidants (prevent disease), and reduce foods that have more "toxins" in them, by promoting organic foods, and eliminating foods like processed meat (nitrates/nitrites) that contribute to disease.
And, my point stands. There are diets that advertise themselves as "detox" that are really elimination diets. So long as there are no inherent risks to the proposed diet, there is no reason to attack someone for following it, or to call them gullible. OP is not proposing doing the Master Cleanse. If she wants to try eating a little differently for a couple of weeks, she will in that time figure out for herself if anything in the meal plan works for her. If not, she can choose just not to do it again. Concerns can be expressed without insults. And, lessons can be learned from the experience. The Wild Rose diet wasn't for me long term, but I am benefitting now from the lessons I learned when following it (i.e. I need dairy to diet successfully and I can eat brown rice, popcorn, and almonds till I'm stuffed, and stay at a deficit). And, to OP -
+1 for getting back on the wagon after a binge. As far as I can tell, the diet is not harmful. In general, try to meet macros and micros and stay in a calorie deficit, and weight loss will be achieved. One binge does not mean the journey ends. Twenty binges doesn't mean the journey ends. If a food is making it harder to stay in your calorie deficit, or just makes you feel awful when you eat it, consider reducing it. If not, feel free to include it. Most people got overweight by eating a little too much everyday, not from binges. Most people can lose weight when eating a calorie range, not the exact same number of calories every day. And most people can lose the weight even when their dietary adherence isn't perfect. Best wishes on the journey
Pointing out your wrongness is not against forum rules.....just an FYI0 -
just wanted to add that there are some legitimate purposes to 'detoxes'. I have severe allergies - many of them foods - and because they present differently than most food allergies, they hadn't been discovered by allergy testing. I was extremely sick even though I was eating 'healthfully' about 15 years ago now. I asked a friend who was a nurse help me create a diet to detox my body - i wasn't looking to lose weight - i was looking to elimiante whatever was making me feel crappy. It was one of the best decisions of my life, because I discovered all my food allergies and am now healthier than i ever have been, from avoiding these foods.
Wait. You "think" you had food allergies even though you didn't test positive for them, so you eliminated certain foods? Well, it's not a food allergy then, and it's not a detox.
There are sensitivities to things in certain food groups that some small subsets of people have that can't be tested for. Things like salicylate sensitivy, for example.
But calling eliminating food groups a detox and calling feeling crappy a food allergy?
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brianpperkins wrote: »brianpperkins wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »TheVirgoddess wrote: »just wanted to add that there are some legitimate purposes to 'detoxes'. I have severe allergies - many of them foods - and because they present differently than most food allergies, they hadn't been discovered by allergy testing. I was extremely sick even though I was eating 'healthfully' about 15 years ago now. I asked a friend who was a nurse help me create a diet to detox my body - i wasn't looking to lose weight - i was looking to elimiante whatever was making me feel crappy. It was one of the best decisions of my life, because I discovered all my food allergies and am now healthier than i ever have been, from avoiding these foods.
I think you might be confusing detox with an elimination diet.
this. your body processing food and then not eating any more of said food is not a detox.
Some detox diets are very similiar to elimination diet i.e. wild rose - gets rid of gluten, yeast, anything fermented, dairy, high glycemic index foods, organic only, etc. Going on a pre-cleanse diet like wild rose could helps some people identify food intolerances or possible difficulties with sugar (through lowering carbs). An elimination diet has helped a lot of people I know, but they are only really necessary when someone is having symptoms of a possible food intolerance/chemical sensitivities/insulin resistance i.e. tummy troubles, headaches, fatigue, irritability, cognitive problems etc.
An elimination diet consists of removing suspected allergens from one's diet ... it has nothing to do with eating wild rose or anything esle to "detox" the body.
http://www.webmd.com/allergies/guide/allergies-elimination-diet
Once again ...
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/dec/05/detox-myth-health-diet-science-ignorance
I'm just saying that an elimination diet and a "detox" diet often remove the same food items, and either could help the dieter to realize that they have existing food intolerances. I can see why someone would confuse the two. Health benefits experienced by people on a "detox" could just be from removing foods they have problems with from their diets (i.e. gluten, high gi, etc).
You're intermixing disparate terms.
An elimination diet removes potential allergens in an effort to identify them.
A detox removes toxins.
Allergens and toxins are different things.
Operational definition: When I am referring to a "detox" diet, I am referring to a diet that advertises itself as a detox diet. I am not making any claims to that diet's effectiveness in removing toxins from the body.
It is a word choice, and criticising someone's use of language is against MFP forum guidelines.
Obviously, most diets already assist the body in removing toxins (by providing water, energy, protein, fat, and micronutrients to support the body's natural processes). "Detox" diets often encourage eating fruits and vegetables, which have phytonutrients and antioxidants (prevent disease), and reduce foods that have more "toxins" in them, by promoting organic foods, and eliminating foods like processed meat (nitrates/nitrites) that contribute to disease.
And, my point stands. There are diets that advertise themselves as "detox" that are really elimination diets. So long as there are no inherent risks to the proposed diet, there is no reason to attack someone for following it, or to call them gullible. OP is not proposing doing the Master Cleanse. If she wants to try eating a little differently for a couple of weeks, she will in that time figure out for herself if anything in the meal plan works for her. If not, she can choose just not to do it again. Concerns can be expressed without insults. And, lessons can be learned from the experience. The Wild Rose diet wasn't for me long term, but I am benefitting now from the lessons I learned when following it (i.e. I need dairy to diet successfully and I can eat brown rice, popcorn, and almonds till I'm stuffed, and stay at a deficit). And, to OP -
+1 for getting back on the wagon after a binge. As far as I can tell, the diet is not harmful. In general, try to meet macros and micros and stay in a calorie deficit, and weight loss will be achieved. One binge does not mean the journey ends. Twenty binges doesn't mean the journey ends. If a food is making it harder to stay in your calorie deficit, or just makes you feel awful when you eat it, consider reducing it. If not, feel free to include it. Most people got overweight by eating a little too much everyday, not from binges. Most people can lose weight when eating a calorie range, not the exact same number of calories every day. And most people can lose the weight even when their dietary adherence isn't perfect. Best wishes on the journey
Telling someone that they are using a word incorrectly is not against forum guidelines.
And just because diets advertise themselves as detox diets, and are really elimination diets in disguise doesn't mean that those two things are the same or interchangeable. In fact, using that claim to support your idea is more than a little bit ridiculous.
There is no reason for a trainer to suggest either a detox OR an elimination diet for someone who is just stepping up their weight lifting intensity. That's the point.0 -
blktngldhrt wrote: »TheVirgoddess wrote: »just wanted to add that there are some legitimate purposes to 'detoxes'. I have severe allergies - many of them foods - and because they present differently than most food allergies, they hadn't been discovered by allergy testing. I was extremely sick even though I was eating 'healthfully' about 15 years ago now. I asked a friend who was a nurse help me create a diet to detox my body - i wasn't looking to lose weight - i was looking to elimiante whatever was making me feel crappy. It was one of the best decisions of my life, because I discovered all my food allergies and am now healthier than i ever have been, from avoiding these foods.
I think you might be confusing detox with an elimination diet.
this. your body processing food and then not eating any more of said food is not a detox.
Some detox diets are very similiar to elimination diet i.e. wild rose - gets rid of gluten, yeast, anything fermented, dairy, high glycemic index foods, organic only, etc. Going on a pre-cleanse diet like wild rose could helps some people identify food intolerances or possible difficulties with sugar (through lowering carbs). An elimination diet has helped a lot of people I know, but they are only really necessary when someone is having symptoms of a possible food intolerance/chemical sensitivities/insulin resistance i.e. tummy troubles, headaches, fatigue, irritability, cognitive problems etc.
But, but, but... there are no "toxins" being removed by the elimination of any foods from the diet. Calling something a "detox" diet is just ridiculous. I don't even want to know what a "pre-cleanse diet" is.
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