Is it possible to lose fat and gain muscle?
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And in conclusion every body is different so what works for one doesn't for another. Trial and error is what I think.0
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And in conclusion every body is different so what works for one doesn't for another. Trial and error is what I think.
actually no, we are not ...
gain muscle = eat in a surplus for everyone
calorie deficit = lose body fat
maintenance = recomp
caveats:
untrained beginners can have newbie gains and build some muscle in a deficit.
high performance athletes may be able to build some muscle in a deficit
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And in conclusion every body is different so what works for one doesn't for another. Trial and error is what I think.
actually no, we are not ...
gain muscle = eat in a surplus for everyone
calorie deficit = lose body fat
maintenance = recomp
caveats:
untrained beginners can have newbie gains and build some muscle in a deficit.
high performance athletes may be able to build some muscle in a deficit
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this. the whole 'every body is different' argument is not seeing the forest for the trees. if all bodies (aside from the outliers with medical conditions) didn't function in the same way, we would never be able to draw any scientific conclusions about the human body, ever. Science works *because* we are all pretty much the same.0 -
Contrary to popular belief from many fitness sites and magazines, gaining muscle is a long painstaking task. Where many get confused is when they feel stronger and see more muscle definition, everyone thinks they gained muscle. So what you really need to figure out is how much muscle you really want to gain (if any), and create a program on doing it.Thanks for advice!! So you think its better to go for bulk, consume more kcal, and after few weeks start to to do more cardio and less kcal? Would be faster?
Possible yes. It takes a lot of attention to detail and it does take a longer route to achieve. A great source is Alan Aragon (who's an MFP member) and Lyle McDonald.I am thinking if its possible by cutting some kcal intake and carbs? Can achieve that? How has an expetience on that?
Thanks
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For many, YEARS. Just on a regular bulk and cut cycle for me, from 19 to about 23 years old I added on 35lbs of weight with maybe 2/3 of that being muscle at most. And that was at a surplus.Yes, you can. You have to eat at maintenance levels or just slightly under. The process is slow and takes a looong time according to most.
Possible yes. It takes a lot of attention to detail and it does take a longer route to achieve. A great source is Alan Aragon (who's an MFP member) and Lyle McDonald.I am thinking if its possible by cutting some kcal intake and carbs? Can achieve that? How has an expetience on that?
Thanks
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How long?
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LOL at the broscience ITT and using bodybuilding.com as a source. Critical thinking is a lost art0
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It's a "clean" eating "short cut". If one doesn't plan to eat that way the rest of their life, then the "shred" doesn't last long. Also doing this isn't really going to increase muscle mass. More likely to help retain what muscle is there.Try this resource and take what you can from it. It is mostly about diet and exercise, not so much all the suppliments imo.
Jim Stoppani 6 week shortcut-to-shred nutrition overview
Would say great for a competitor for pre comp. The average gym person, not so much.
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What is "bulky muscle"? There is no such thing. Skeletal muscle is just that, skeletal muscle. When you increase it, it's just lean muscle. You can accumulate more fat around the muscle, but that doesn't change the "lean" muscle.Lgabrjolek wrote: »Just to clarify. Lean muscle is different from 'bulky muscle'
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your flaw is assuming that you eat the fried potato in a vacuum and that is the only thing that a person would consume.
so, if my day consists of eggs, egg whites, bacon, whole wheat bread, turkey, yogurt, and then for dinner I have fish, vegetables, and fry some potato in olive oil, and hten have ice cream for dessert is that then "unhealthy" because I fried some potatoes in olive oil?
please post said studies that you are referring to.
and yes 1000 calories of burger king = 1000 calories of raw meat...(who the hell eats raw meat anyway?)
You misunderstand me or may be my English is not good enough to explain. What I mean is "Ice Cream" or "Burger King" is the only unhealthy food you get, I didn't say adding such meal will ruin your whole day or diet.
Raw meat as of my knowledge is meat without any additions and minimally processed, like roasted steak
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I'm more than happy to have discussions and debate. However it's pretty clear from your posts that you want to deal in hypothetical situations. There are many things that can't be discussed that way and pretty much everything that has discussed so far have clear answers. When people are wrong they need to be told they are wrong and not allowed to spread misinformation as being factual.
Thanks for telling us we are wrong, I will stop spreading misinformation as being factual. Please support the thread with scientific papers your information based on it to allow us have more correct information.
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So a "writer" with no credentials or actual degrees in physiology (that were credited to him anyway) or a peer reviewed clinical study from the NCBI and the Journal of Applied Physiology..............let's see.Lgabrjolek wrote: »Well, congratulations we can agree on something! " Lean is a physical appearance that someone achieves. Bulk is something someone does to add muscle while eating at a caloric surplus. If you have different meanings then feel free to share. "
Now for the Fasting defence.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/fuel-to-burn-only-fat-loss-fools-train-on-empty-stomach.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3253005/
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Um, I've lost about 40lbs lifting weights fasted and then not eating for about 4 hours after finishing my workout. Was I supposed to get fat doing this? HAVE I BEEN DOING IT WRONG THIS WHOLE TIME?!?!?!0
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hanymamdouh wrote: »your flaw is assuming that you eat the fried potato in a vacuum and that is the only thing that a person would consume.
so, if my day consists of eggs, egg whites, bacon, whole wheat bread, turkey, yogurt, and then for dinner I have fish, vegetables, and fry some potato in olive oil, and hten have ice cream for dessert is that then "unhealthy" because I fried some potatoes in olive oil?
please post said studies that you are referring to.
and yes 1000 calories of burger king = 1000 calories of raw meat...(who the hell eats raw meat anyway?)
You misunderstand me or may be my English is not good enough to explain. What I mean is "Ice Cream" or "Burger King" is the only unhealthy food you get, I didn't say adding such meal will ruin your whole day or diet.
Raw meat as of my knowledge is meat without any additions and minimally processed, like roasted steak
context and dosage is what matters.
yes, if you get 75% of your day from burger king and ice cream that is going to put you in the unhealthy range..
however, if you have already hit your macro/micro targets for the day, then eating some ice cream and burger king does not negate your day...
to me raw = uncooked
what you are referring to I guess is meat with no seasoning...?0 -
Um, I've lost about 40lbs lifting weights fasted and then not eating for about 4 hours after finishing my workout. Was I supposed to get fat doing this? HAVE I BEEN DOING IT WRONG THIS WHOLE TIME?!?!?!
LOL
I never eat pre-workout....lunch is about 12:00 and I am in the gym around 4:00 ...0 -
hanymamdouh wrote: »ILiftHeavyAcrylics wrote: »
Maybe it would help us to get on the same page if you post the studies to which you're referring and tell us what conclusions you're drawing as a result.
This is for the tomato example
The document:
http://journals.cambridge.org/download.php?file=/BJN/BJN99_06/S0007114507868486a.pdf&code=f49013aaa70a5c145367dab8427fc72d
The article
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/raw-veggies-are-healthier/
Hmm that doesn't really clear things up at all. With which part of my posts are you disagreeing and why do you think this article/study refutes them?
eta: I suspect there's something of a language barrier here, so I may not be understanding what you're trying to say based on that.0 -
however, if you have already hit your macro/micro targets for the day, then eating some ice cream and burger king does not negate your day...
to me raw = uncooked
what you are referring to I guess is meat with no seasoning...?
I agree with you. and yes I mean meat with no seasoning with minimal processing
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Agree with some of it. When it comes to fat loss, regardless of training method, calorie deficit is the MOST important factor.Lgabrjolek wrote: »
You should just look beyond bb.com. Lots of the information from the site is broscience. Don't put blinders on. Be OBJECTIVE about information and not subjective. There is so much false information in the fitness industry and lots of sheep that follow it because peers "heard" it from someone else.
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ILiftHeavyAcrylics wrote: »hanymamdouh wrote: »ILiftHeavyAcrylics wrote: »
Maybe it would help us to get on the same page if you post the studies to which you're referring and tell us what conclusions you're drawing as a result.
This is for the tomato example
The document:
http://journals.cambridge.org/download.php?file=/BJN/BJN99_06/S0007114507868486a.pdf&code=f49013aaa70a5c145367dab8427fc72d
The article
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/raw-veggies-are-healthier/
Hmm that doesn't really clear things up at all. With which part of my posts are you disagreeing and why do you think this article/study refutes them?
eta: I suspect there's something of a language barrier here, so I may not be understanding what you're trying to say based on that.
It is reference to tomato example, I attached the study and the article that mentioned how antioxidants change because of temperature. I thought you were asking reference to that issue only.0
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