Is there such thing as good and bad calories?
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laurielima wrote: »hollydubs85 wrote: »PikaKnight wrote: »laurielima wrote: »I have never been more than 15 lbs overweight and I have always eaten whatever I wanted. moderation and exercise and healthy metabolism....the whole thing bores me at this point.
Okay? :huh: That's nice? :huh:
I'm still hoping she's just responding to the wrong thread this whole time.
Not all calories carry the same value. believe it or don't believe it.
What I find amazing is you can force your opinion down opp throats and god forbid they stand their ground. a gang appears. its incredible.
Well, if we're looking a logical analogies, that ground you're standing is actually quicksand. The faster you move, the worse it gets. It's the people waiving branches that are on solid ground.
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laurielima wrote: »hollydubs85 wrote: »PikaKnight wrote: »laurielima wrote: »I have never been more than 15 lbs overweight and I have always eaten whatever I wanted. moderation and exercise and healthy metabolism....the whole thing bores me at this point.
Okay? :huh: That's nice? :huh:
I'm still hoping she's just responding to the wrong thread this whole time.
Not all calories carry the same value. believe it or don't believe it.
What I find amazing is you can force your opinion down opp throats and god forbid they stand their ground. a gang appears. its incredible.
I've read quite a few of your posts this week. Out of curiosity have you reduced sugar? H-A-N-G-R-Y hungry and angry. I've seen it before, it happens all the time. Try a Snickers.-1 -
A calorie is a calorie from a pure energy measurement viewpoint. An 'empty calorie' term is often used when people eat 'food' that has no other form of bodily nutrition attached (pure sugar) and is only valuable to give energy but no value in terms of muscle repair, no heart/health protecting vitamins etc. Think a can of soda pop versus an apple (rich in vitamins, fiber and is much more than a calorie source). A calorie from either fat, protein, or carbohydrate source has different impact on hormones and body function so I and many many others, chose to take in calories from different categories in specific quantities to see how it impacts satiety. For example, many people, including myself, find that a diet with proportions of calories from protein and fat and less from carbohydrate help control insulin spikes and leptin production signaling hunger in the brain. So yes, a calorie is a calorie and no, a calorie is not a calorie. Confused? So is everyone else!!0
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wonderfullymadebyhim wrote: »A calorie is a calorie from a pure energy measurement viewpoint. An 'empty calorie' term is often used when people eat 'food' that has no other form of bodily nutrition attached (pure sugar) and is only valuable to give energy but no value in terms of muscle repair, no heart/health protecting vitamins etc. Think a can of soda pop versus an apple (rich in vitamins, fiber and is much more than a calorie source). A calorie from either fat, protein, or carbohydrate source has different impact on hormones and body function so I and many many others, chose to take in calories from different categories in specific quantities to see how it impacts satiety. For example, many people, including myself, find that a diet with proportions of calories from protein and fat and less from carbohydrate help control insulin spikes and leptin production signaling hunger in the brain. So yes, a calorie is a calorie and no, a calorie is not a calorie. Confused? So is everyone else!!
You started out doing so well, however you lost it at the end a calorie is a calorie. Period your body reacts the exact same way to every calorie, what is different is the nutritional breakdown of the vehicle used to deliver that calorie to your body to use. A calorie is a calorie and has no nutritional value it is a measuremeny of energy (aka fuel) your body uses however you can not just cosume a pure calorie, it must be in something you can consume (called a vessel). The nutritional portions of that vessel are broken down and used by your body some more efficantly than others, some parts of that vessel may react to different people differently that however does not change the calorie, the calorie stats the same level of energy0 -
Here's another basic example a calorie burned is s calorie burned regardless of how you burn it. 25 calories burned by walking are the same as 25 calories burned by running full speed. However your bodies reaction to walking versus running won't be the exact same, however that doesn't change the fact that 25 calories is 25 calories0
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laurielima wrote: »hollydubs85 wrote: »PikaKnight wrote: »laurielima wrote: »I have never been more than 15 lbs overweight and I have always eaten whatever I wanted. moderation and exercise and healthy metabolism....the whole thing bores me at this point.
Okay? :huh: That's nice? :huh:
I'm still hoping she's just responding to the wrong thread this whole time.
Not all calories carry the same value. believe it or don't believe it.
What I find amazing is you can force your opinion down opp throats and god forbid they stand their ground. a gang appears. its incredible.
So one calorie of cookie actually equals 2 , because cookies are bad? But one calorie of carrot = 1 because good???
So 50 cals of cookie is really 100 because 2:1 a tio of bad to good????
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calorie is a measure of energy... saying there are good and bad calories is like saying there are good and bad miles, or good and bad inches...0
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laurielima wrote: »hollydubs85 wrote: »PikaKnight wrote: »laurielima wrote: »I have never been more than 15 lbs overweight and I have always eaten whatever I wanted. moderation and exercise and healthy metabolism....the whole thing bores me at this point.
Okay? :huh: That's nice? :huh:
I'm still hoping she's just responding to the wrong thread this whole time.
Not all calories carry the same value. believe it or don't believe it.
What I find amazing is you can force your opinion down opp throats and god forbid they stand their ground. a gang appears. its incredible.
So one calorie of cookie actually equals 2 , because cookies are bad? But one calorie of carrot = 1 because good???
So 50 cals of cookie is really 100 because 2:1 a tio of bad to good????
Is that your argument??????
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laurielima wrote: »laurielima wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »laurielima wrote: »Is there a difference between good and bad calories or are calories just calories...like is it ok to eat fried food from home made in the deep fryer? Are those considered bad calories?
I did not mean to be so abrupt but asking if cals are good or bad starts a big rukus on this site. in my opinion...there are bad cals in the food world. I do eat them but I know they are bad and I adjust ALL of my eating to support the fact that I am eating bad calories.
other people want to call it healthy cals v unhealthy cals or empty cals v nutritious cals.
Its just splitting hairs. IMO
What makes specific calorie bad?
When it's more than you need.
If the calorie is more than you need, it's no better or worse because of the eating. It just is what it is either way. The act of eating the excess calorie may lead to a undesired effect. To me it's an important distinction.
Are you honestly telling me that the calories from a ...tomato and from a fried dough..are somehow similar calories in your eyes. One calorie count is packed with nutrition and one calorie count is not. wow. i can't believe you have to be told that but...ok.
You're confusing "good for you" with the definition of a calorie as a unit of measure.
Are calories good or bad? No, they are equal, as a unit of measure of energy.
Are some foods more good for you than others? Yes. Are some foods more nutritious? Yes. Are some foods more satisfying? Yes.
Why is this a difficult concept to understand?
All calories are not "equal as a unit of measure of energy"
Drink a REDBULL when you wake up in the morning and the next day at the same time drink a water. Let me know if the unit of measurement of energy is the same.
How many calories of the water and the Redbull am I to drink?
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yes and no.
think of it in terms of money/value. something that costs a lot of calories but doesn't offer a lot of nutrition gives you a bad value for your calories.
so while these things won't inhibit your weight loss as long as you stay within your numbers, you may find yourself hungrier or feeling generally worse than if you had consumed the same amount of calories in foods with a good nutritional value.
you don't have to spend your calories wisely to lose weight, as long as you stay within your budget. but you will probably feel better if you do.0 -
Are we doing analogies? Cause I like analogies.
Let's see...
A calorie is like distance. Take 10 km. 10 km will always be 10 km.
Now, you can go those 10 km in different ways, by foot, car, bike, train, etc. and they all have their advantages and disadvantages, but the distance doesn't care, it'll always stay the same.0 -
Well until we solve the problem and become an autotroph I'm afraid calories will always be a necessary evil. Damn you photosynthesis why you gotta be so choosey!0
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You really have to watch how you word stuff, it'll become a crazy battle ground in no time and you will get punished for asking this real quick lol. For me, I make my own foods that would be horrible to eat out, and it makes a huge difference to me. I make homemade fries and burger. I can't do mystery meat any more. Plus who knows what kind of oils they use.0
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If you want to do a car analogy, it would actually work if you compared a 1968 yellow volkswagen bug with a driver and one passenger to a 1968 yellow volkswagen bug with 17 clowns inside.
The volkswagen bugs are the same. The number of passengers doesn't change what kind of car it is.0 -
LiftAllThePizzas wrote: »If you want to do a car analogy, it would actually work if you compared a 1968 yellow volkswagen bug with a driver and one passenger to a 1968 yellow volkswagen bug with 17 clowns inside.
The volkswagen bugs are the same. The number of passengers doesn't change what kind of car it is.
I love this! Plus, what a great mental picture.
And actual picture.
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i sense an MFP is mean thread being spawned out of this….-1
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Is there a difference between good and bad calories or are calories just calories...like is it ok to eat fried food from home made in the deep fryer? Are those considered bad calories?
calorie is a unit of measure.
Fat: 1 gram = 9 calories
Protein: 1 gram = 4 calories
Carbohydrates: 1 gram = 4 calories
Alcohol: 1 gram = 7 calories
when you want to lower calories, lower carbs and increase protein. Typically, most people consume too many carbs. 25g carbs = 100 calories.
Note: you want to eat 65g fat (585 calories of fat) or less on a 2000 calorie diet, however, less is not always better with fat. You do want to eat less than 20g saturated fat though.
perspective:
2000 calories
=
54g protein (215 calories)
65g fat (585 calories)
300g carb (1200 calories)
imo, if you lower carbs by 150g (600 calories) you should increase protein by 30g (336 calories), which would be 1736 calories (basically a 15% deficit).
Personally, for my needs, I eat:
146g protein (584 calories)
87g fat (783 calories)
85g carbs (340g carbs)
=
1707 (food diary doesn't add it up correctly and incorrectly lists it as 1671).
Note: I eat more fats due to my carbs being lower. There is a reasoning behind it that I dont feel like explaining.0 -
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Is there a difference between good and bad calories or are calories just calories...like is it ok to eat fried food from home made in the deep fryer? Are those considered bad calories?
calorie is a unit of measure.
Fat: 1 gram = 9 calories
Protein: 1 gram = 4 calories
Carbohydrates: 1 gram = 4 calories
Alcohol: 1 gram = 7 calories
when you want to lower calories, lower carbs and increase protein. Typically, most people consume too many carbs. 25g carbs = 100 calories.
Note: you want to eat 65g fat (585 calories of fat) or less on a 2000 calorie diet, however, less is not always better with fat. You do want to eat less than 20g saturated fat though.
perspective:
2000 calories
=
54g protein (215 calories)
65g fat (585 calories)
300g carb (1200 calories)
imo, if you lower carbs by 150g (600 calories) you should increase protein by 30g (336 calories), which would be 1736 calories (basically a 15% deficit).
Personally, for my needs, I eat:
146g protein (584 calories)
87g fat (783 calories)
85g carbs (340g carbs)
=
1707 (food diary doesn't add it up correctly and incorrectly lists it as 1671).
Note: I eat more fats due to my carbs being lower. There is a reasoning behind it that I dont feel like explaining.
What does that have to do with anything being discussed here?
answered the initial question in detail...
fried foods are full of saturated fat....
Its easier to understand something when given examples.0 -
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Is there a difference between good and bad calories or are calories just calories...like is it ok to eat fried food from home made in the deep fryer? Are those considered bad calories?
calorie is a unit of measure.
Fat: 1 gram = 9 calories
Protein: 1 gram = 4 calories
Carbohydrates: 1 gram = 4 calories
Alcohol: 1 gram = 7 calories
when you want to lower calories, lower carbs and increase protein. Typically, most people consume too many carbs. 25g carbs = 100 calories.
Note: you want to eat 65g fat (585 calories of fat) or less on a 2000 calorie diet, however, less is not always better with fat. You do want to eat less than 20g saturated fat though.
perspective:
2000 calories
=
54g protein (215 calories)
65g fat (585 calories)
300g carb (1200 calories)
imo, if you lower carbs by 150g (600 calories) you should increase protein by 30g (336 calories), which would be 1736 calories (basically a 15% deficit).
Personally, for my needs, I eat:
146g protein (584 calories)
87g fat (783 calories)
85g carbs (340g carbs)
=
1707 (food diary doesn't add it up correctly and incorrectly lists it as 1671).
Note: I eat more fats due to my carbs being lower. There is a reasoning behind it that I dont feel like explaining.
What does that have to do with anything being discussed here?
answered the initial question in detail...
fried foods are full of saturated fat....
Its easier to understand something when given examples.
What's wrong with saturated fat?
The you understand the relationship between saturated fat and testosterone?
Yes, I understand the relationship between cholesterol and test, but whats that have to do with the OPs (woman) question?0 -
Is there a difference between good and bad calories or are calories just calories...like is it ok to eat fried food from home made in the deep fryer? Are those considered bad calories?
calorie is a unit of measure.
Fat: 1 gram = 9 calories
Protein: 1 gram = 4 calories
Carbohydrates: 1 gram = 4 calories
Alcohol: 1 gram = 7 calories
when you want to lower calories, lower carbs and increase protein. Typically, most people consume too many carbs. 25g carbs = 100 calories.
Note: you want to eat 65g fat (585 calories of fat) or less on a 2000 calorie diet, however, less is not always better with fat. You do want to eat less than 20g saturated fat though.
perspective:
2000 calories
=
54g protein (215 calories)
65g fat (585 calories)
300g carb (1200 calories)
imo, if you lower carbs by 150g (600 calories) you should increase protein by 30g (336 calories), which would be 1736 calories (basically a 15% deficit).
Personally, for my needs, I eat:
146g protein (584 calories)
87g fat (783 calories)
85g carbs (340g carbs)
=
1707 (food diary doesn't add it up correctly and incorrectly lists it as 1671).
Note: I eat more fats due to my carbs being lower. There is a reasoning behind it that I dont feel like explaining.
What does that have to do with anything being discussed here?
answered the initial question in detail...
fried foods are full of saturated fat....
Its easier to understand something when given examples.
So is there a point where saturate fat could be used too much in a diet? What if someone consumes 50-60% of their calories using just saturated fat. The rest are carbs(about 7%0 and protein. Would this make sense?
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wonderfullymadebyhim wrote: »A calorie is a calorie from a pure energy measurement viewpoint. An 'empty calorie' term is often used when people eat 'food' that has no other form of bodily nutrition attached (pure sugar) and is only valuable to give energy but no value in terms of muscle repair, no heart/health protecting vitamins etc. Think a can of soda pop versus an apple (rich in vitamins, fiber and is much more than a calorie source). A calorie from either fat, protein, or carbohydrate source has different impact on hormones and body function so I and many many others, chose to take in calories from different categories in specific quantities to see how it impacts satiety. For example, many people, including myself, find that a diet with proportions of calories from protein and fat and less from carbohydrate help control insulin spikes and leptin production signaling hunger in the brain. So yes, a calorie is a calorie and no, a calorie is not a calorie. Confused? So is everyone else!!
fist part good, second part bad…
protein spikes insulin so are you controlling for that too?0 -
Oh, no... deep fried foods are very good. Tasty.neanderthin wrote:Basically the OP is asking, are there any bad foods, and suggests that deep fried food might be.
Not particularly good for you, but tasty.
Just have them in smaller amounts and less often.
I think most people use "good" for things which are lower-calorie, lower-fat, higher-nutrition-density, higher-fiber, etc. - things we should eat more of;
and "bad" for things which are the opposite, things we should eat less of.
The problem comes with things like nuts, which are "good" in terms of nutrition & healthy fat, but "bad" in terms of high calorie (so don't eat lots).0 -
I think the problem comes when people don't understand their goals in the proper context (getting specific amounts/ranges of calories/macros/micros) and try to oversimplify things by calling stuff "good" and "bad" as if these are inherent properties of foods.
Oh, no... deep fried foods are very good. Tasty.neanderthin wrote:Basically the OP is asking, are there any bad foods, and suggests that deep fried food might be.
Not particularly good for you, but tasty.
Just have them in smaller amounts and less often.
I think most people use "good" for things which are lower-calorie, lower-fat, higher-nutrition-density, higher-fiber, etc. - things we should eat more of;
and "bad" for things which are the opposite, things we should eat less of.
The problem comes with things like nuts, which are "good" in terms of nutrition & healthy fat, but "bad" in terms of high calorie (so don't eat lots).
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Calorie as a unit of measure for energy.
Is there good or bad energy?
I guess there is.
Doesn't the good side have the upper hand right now?
But what's coming in episode 7, does the dark side become stronger?0 -
Calorie as a unit of measure for energy.
Is there good or bad energy?
I guess there is.
Doesn't the good side have the upper hand right now?
But what's coming in episode 7, does the dark side become stronger?
Dunno, are they doing a storyline based on Timothy Zahn's Thrawn series?0
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