Weird Addiction Happening

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  • _Terrapin_
    _Terrapin_ Posts: 4,301 Member
    edited April 2015
    You had the flu fasted for 24 hours ate oranges and soup and your question is? I may have missed a few steps in there. . . .and your type 1 diabetic?
  • PeachyCarol
    PeachyCarol Posts: 8,029 Member
    edited April 2015
    No IF protocol that I know of calls for 24 hour abstention from food.

  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    I don't think IF calls for a 24 hour fast….I believe for females they recommend 14 hour fast and 10 hour eating window or something….

    There are a variety of ways you can do it. iF is not set in stone. Like I said, I eat 1 large meal a day then either a snack or another smaller meal. Sometimes a snack on produce or bits of meat or a hard boiled egg or even a handful of nuts or seeds it they are available. Bouillon fills me up for about 30 minutes then I go pee and I am not full so I don't even think of it as a meal unless there are meat and veggies in it.

    thats not IF..

    I ran IF for about six to eight months..

    you don't "snack" in your fast window..and I have never seen it call for a 24 hour fast….
  • CorinnaShaw
    CorinnaShaw Posts: 136 Member
    edited April 2015
    _Terrapin_ wrote: »
    You had the flu fasted for 24 hours ate oranges and soup and your question is? I may have missed a few steps in there. . . .and your type 1 diabetic?

    Yes, I am type 1 diabetic. What I am saying is that while I had the flu, the only thing I ate was soup and oranges and now fast forward over a month later and I am still craving them. Is this bad or am I okay? Is it a sign of something like maybe some sort of deficiency or an addiction? Should I even be giving it a second thought?
  • PeachyCarol
    PeachyCarol Posts: 8,029 Member
    Nevermind. I stand corrected. Eat Stop Eat does 24 hour fasts. I don't know how advisable it is for a diabetic to be doing it.
  • PearlAng
    PearlAng Posts: 681 Member
    Nevermind. I stand corrected. Eat Stop Eat does 24 hour fasts. I don't know how advisable it is for a diabetic to be doing it.
    I was just getting ready to type that. I was wondering if fasting of any sort was okay for diabetics.

  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    Nevermind. I stand corrected. Eat Stop Eat does 24 hour fasts. I don't know how advisable it is for a diabetic to be doing it.

    I thought that was 5:2 and you eat like minimal calories on those days 200 to 400..???
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  • CorinnaShaw
    CorinnaShaw Posts: 136 Member
    edited April 2015
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    I don't think IF calls for a 24 hour fast….I believe for females they recommend 14 hour fast and 10 hour eating window or something….

    There are a variety of ways you can do it. iF is not set in stone. Like I said, I eat 1 large meal a day then either a snack or another smaller meal. Sometimes a snack on produce or bits of meat or a hard boiled egg or even a handful of nuts or seeds it they are available. Bouillon fills me up for about 30 minutes then I go pee and I am not full so I don't even think of it as a meal unless there are meat and veggies in it.

    thats not IF..

    I ran IF for about six to eight months..

    you don't "snack" in your fast window..and I have never seen it call for a 24 hour fast….

    I think one meal a day is called the warrior fast or warrior diet or something like that. That is too hardcore for me right now although I would like to be there at some point. There are a few variations of IF. Having something else small to eat really helps me with where I am right now. I honestly never claimed to fast to start off with. This jerk accused me of fasting in a previous thread then I said look up IF because then he would see that short fasting periods aren't bad. Then he ran with it and accused me of fasting and has been selectivity picking things I say to counter and here we are. I have been up front from the start that I only eat one large meal a day but I never said that was the only meal I had. I have explained my snacking habits.
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  • Serah87
    Serah87 Posts: 5,481 Member
    edited April 2015
    OP you change your stories so much that I am getting dizzy!!

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    Your last post never mention oranges or soup, just saying.
  • erincait
    erincait Posts: 1 Member
    MrM27 wrote: »
    MrM27 wrote: »
    ...
    Can you dumb that down a bit, please? Haha

    Well, basically it's a learned response. We can be taught things quite well by reinforcement. In other words "rewards" or positive outcomes or "punishments" or negative outcomes teach us whether to maintain a particular behavior. You've established a positive outcome (yummy calories incoming) with satisfying a craving. Take away the reward - or substitute a different one - and after a while you might find yourself craving something different when your mind tries to get you to consume some nutrients.

    So consuming all the soup and oranges while I was sick (which did relieve my flu symptoms) caused me to develop a reward response to it and develop an addiction?

    No, you are not addicted to soup and oranges.
    But what if the oranges have added sugar?

    Man, I hope not.
    MrM27 wrote: »
    MrM27 wrote: »
    A few weeks ago, I caught the flu. During that time I developed a weird craving for oranges and soup. It seemed understandable at the time; oranges for vitamin C and soup well... because soup. Only now we are over a month away from that time and I am still craving them like crazy. I don't mind craving the oranges because it's a fruit and it's healthy. However, the chicken bouillon I have been drinking is loaded with sodium. Like one the third of the recommended amount in a single serving. I am just waiting for the heart attack at this point because I am drinking several cups of it a day. Why am I craving bouillon and oranges like this? Has anyone else had a weird experience like this? Should I completely cut it out of my diet, ignore it and drink it when I want, or are there healthier substitutes?

    What???

    Because everyone says too much sodium is super bad and will appera thy kill you. I didn't mean that literally. I'm just saying I am getting an awful lot of sodium from this bouillon.

    1/3 of a days does isn't some extraordinary number. Sodium is needed by the body. And it's even less of an issue when you aren't eating any other food throughout the rest of the day.

    No. One serving has 1/3 of the recommended serving of sodium. I am having 2 servings right now and for all I know, I may decide I want more later. That doesn't even include sodium I will get from other sources. I will probably grill up a few chicken breasts too later and cover that in salt and pepper. Or maybe eat some stewed tomatoes (which have sodium added to them if you read the label on te can). Basically on any given day, I can be getting more sodium than I am supposed to in an entire day just from soup. I do drink a lot of water so I don't know if that will flush some of it out. Basically, what I am asking is why does stuff like this happen and is it healthy or dangerous.

    I thought you did 24 hour fasts?

    What's also a little strange is for the last 2 days your other thread has grown and through all the food and what not talk you've never mentioned soup. Even when you were listed what you had been eating throughout the days.

  • CorinnaShaw
    CorinnaShaw Posts: 136 Member
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    Nevermind. I stand corrected. Eat Stop Eat does 24 hour fasts. I don't know how advisable it is for a diabetic to be doing it.

    I thought that was 5:2 and you eat like minimal calories on those days 200 to 400..???

    No. I just have a really big meal once a day and the other things I eat are pretty minimal when I do eat them.
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  • ana3067
    ana3067 Posts: 5,623 Member
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    Nevermind. I stand corrected. Eat Stop Eat does 24 hour fasts. I don't know how advisable it is for a diabetic to be doing it.

    I thought that was 5:2 and you eat like minimal calories on those days 200 to 400..???

    No. I just have a really big meal once a day and the other things I eat are pretty minimal when I do eat them.

    So you are eating throughout the day, they are just low calorie intakes.


    Not fasting?
  • Mr_Knight
    Mr_Knight Posts: 9,532 Member
    edited April 2015
    No IF protocol that I know of calls for 24 hour abstention from food.

    Eat Stop Eat (possibly the most well known IF protocol) has 24 hour fasting windows. Warrior Diet - also widely known - is close with 4 hour eating windows.

    And Fat Loss Forever has a 36 hour fasting window.
  • CorinnaShaw
    CorinnaShaw Posts: 136 Member
    erincait wrote: »
    MrM27 wrote: »
    MrM27 wrote: »
    ...
    Can you dumb that down a bit, please? Haha

    Well, basically it's a learned response. We can be taught things quite well by reinforcement. In other words "rewards" or positive outcomes or "punishments" or negative outcomes teach us whether to maintain a particular behavior. You've established a positive outcome (yummy calories incoming) with satisfying a craving. Take away the reward - or substitute a different one - and after a while you might find yourself craving something different when your mind tries to get you to consume some nutrients.

    So consuming all the soup and oranges while I was sick (which did relieve my flu symptoms) caused me to develop a reward response to it and develop an addiction?

    No, you are not addicted to soup and oranges.
    But what if the oranges have added sugar?

    Man, I hope not.
    MrM27 wrote: »
    MrM27 wrote: »
    A few weeks ago, I caught the flu. During that time I developed a weird craving for oranges and soup. It seemed understandable at the time; oranges for vitamin C and soup well... because soup. Only now we are over a month away from that time and I am still craving them like crazy. I don't mind craving the oranges because it's a fruit and it's healthy. However, the chicken bouillon I have been drinking is loaded with sodium. Like one the third of the recommended amount in a single serving. I am just waiting for the heart attack at this point because I am drinking several cups of it a day. Why am I craving bouillon and oranges like this? Has anyone else had a weird experience like this? Should I completely cut it out of my diet, ignore it and drink it when I want, or are there healthier substitutes?

    What???

    Because everyone says too much sodium is super bad and will appera thy kill you. I didn't mean that literally. I'm just saying I am getting an awful lot of sodium from this bouillon.

    1/3 of a days does isn't some extraordinary number. Sodium is needed by the body. And it's even less of an issue when you aren't eating any other food throughout the rest of the day.

    No. One serving has 1/3 of the recommended serving of sodium. I am having 2 servings right now and for all I know, I may decide I want more later. That doesn't even include sodium I will get from other sources. I will probably grill up a few chicken breasts too later and cover that in salt and pepper. Or maybe eat some stewed tomatoes (which have sodium added to them if you read the label on te can). Basically on any given day, I can be getting more sodium than I am supposed to in an entire day just from soup. I do drink a lot of water so I don't know if that will flush some of it out. Basically, what I am asking is why does stuff like this happen and is it healthy or dangerous.

    I thought you did 24 hour fasts?

    What's also a little strange is for the last 2 days your other thread has grown and through all the food and what not talk you've never mentioned soup. Even when you were listed what you had been eating throughout the days.

    Because I didn't eat soup those days. Again, I am dating a guy who has taken me out to eat the last three days in a row and we have spent all day together everyday. My eating habits have been a little off the last 3 days.
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  • jigglyjessica
    jigglyjessica Posts: 58 Member
    Why don't you make a soup will veggies and meat and have it for dinner instead of just drinking the broth? And be careful with the oranges sugar if you're eating that many and are diabetic
  • CorinnaShaw
    CorinnaShaw Posts: 136 Member
    Why don't you make a soup will veggies and meat and have it for dinner instead of just drinking the broth? And be careful with the oranges sugar if you're eating that many and are diabetic

    I do that often but often times I will also just go and boil a pot to drink straight up. Haha
  • melimomTARDIS
    melimomTARDIS Posts: 1,941 Member
    i go through food phases. Not an addiction, just a thing I do.
  • CorinnaShaw
    CorinnaShaw Posts: 136 Member
    MrM27 wrote: »
    ana3067 wrote: »
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    Nevermind. I stand corrected. Eat Stop Eat does 24 hour fasts. I don't know how advisable it is for a diabetic to be doing it.

    I thought that was 5:2 and you eat like minimal calories on those days 200 to 400..???

    No. I just have a really big meal once a day and the other things I eat are pretty minimal when I do eat them.

    So you are eating throughout the day, they are just low calorie intakes.


    Not fasting?

    "Wait, so your schedule now looks like this?

    3 or 4pm you eat.
    Midnight 8 units
    Noon 8 units
    3 or 4pm you eat
    Midnight 8 units
    Noon 8 units

    Is that correct?"

    "Yeah pretty much. Sometimes I snack before bedtime but I already said what kind of things I snack on".

    Omg what did I say. I see this cycling again. What part of snack or small meal do you not comprehend?
  • ana3067
    ana3067 Posts: 5,623 Member
    MrM27 wrote: »
    ana3067 wrote: »
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    Nevermind. I stand corrected. Eat Stop Eat does 24 hour fasts. I don't know how advisable it is for a diabetic to be doing it.

    I thought that was 5:2 and you eat like minimal calories on those days 200 to 400..???

    No. I just have a really big meal once a day and the other things I eat are pretty minimal when I do eat them.

    So you are eating throughout the day, they are just low calorie intakes.


    Not fasting?

    "Wait, so your schedule now looks like this?

    3 or 4pm you eat.
    Midnight 8 units
    Noon 8 units
    3 or 4pm you eat
    Midnight 8 units
    Noon 8 units

    Is that correct?"

    "Yeah pretty much. Sometimes I snack before bedtime but I already said what kind of things I snack on".

    I don't understand what that even means. what are units?

    I missed an important thread, didn't I?
  • CorinnaShaw
    CorinnaShaw Posts: 136 Member
    Mr_Knight wrote: »
    No IF protocol that I know of calls for 24 hour abstention from food.

    Eat Stop Eat (possibly the most well known IF protocol) has 24 hour fasting windows. Warrior Diet - also widely known - is close with 4 hour eating windows.

    And Fat Loss Forever has a 36 hour fasting window.

    Yikes. I think I would die from the mental hunger alone on a 36 hour fasting period. Haha
  • _Terrapin_
    _Terrapin_ Posts: 4,301 Member
    _Terrapin_ wrote: »
    You had the flu fasted for 24 hours ate oranges and soup and your question is? I may have missed a few steps in there. . . .and your type 1 diabetic?

    Yes, I am type 1 diabetic. What I am saying is that while I had the flu, the only thing I ate was soup and oranges and now fast forward over a month later and I am still craving them. Is this bad or am I okay? Is it a sign of something like maybe some sort of deficiency or an addiction? Should I even be giving it a second thought?

    Okay I got it now. Is it bad? No. Unless your Catholic and your priest isn't an orange fan. I think the soup(at least the sodium) may be something you want if you are moving(exercising more). As for a second thought. . . .nah. Enjoy it and move on.
  • ana3067
    ana3067 Posts: 5,623 Member
    MrM27 wrote: »
    ana3067 wrote: »
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    Nevermind. I stand corrected. Eat Stop Eat does 24 hour fasts. I don't know how advisable it is for a diabetic to be doing it.

    I thought that was 5:2 and you eat like minimal calories on those days 200 to 400..???

    No. I just have a really big meal once a day and the other things I eat are pretty minimal when I do eat them.

    So you are eating throughout the day, they are just low calorie intakes.


    Not fasting?

    "Wait, so your schedule now looks like this?

    3 or 4pm you eat.
    Midnight 8 units
    Noon 8 units
    3 or 4pm you eat
    Midnight 8 units
    Noon 8 units

    Is that correct?"

    "Yeah pretty much. Sometimes I snack before bedtime but I already said what kind of things I snack on".

    Omg what did I say. I see this cycling again. What part of snack or small meal do you not comprehend?

    Snacking or small meal during the fasting portion of an IF schedule means you aren't fasting... it just means you eat a big meal, then hours later you eat a small bit of food, etc.

    Also broth isn't calorie free so..... if you drink that while "fasting" you aren't actually fasting.
  • CorinnaShaw
    CorinnaShaw Posts: 136 Member
    edited April 2015
    ana3067 wrote: »
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    Nevermind. I stand corrected. Eat Stop Eat does 24 hour fasts. I don't know how advisable it is for a diabetic to be doing it.

    I thought that was 5:2 and you eat like minimal calories on those days 200 to 400..???

    No. I just have a really big meal once a day and the other things I eat are pretty minimal when I do eat them.

    So you are eating throughout the day, they are just low calorie intakes.


    Not fasting?

    Not so much through out the day. I typically only have 1-2 snacks and I rarely need insulin for them because (unless it's fruit) they are low carb. Sometimes I break it up and have a snack before my meal and one after my meal. Unless my snacks invokes meat, they are almost never over 100 calories.
  • ana3067
    ana3067 Posts: 5,623 Member
    ana3067 wrote: »
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    Nevermind. I stand corrected. Eat Stop Eat does 24 hour fasts. I don't know how advisable it is for a diabetic to be doing it.

    I thought that was 5:2 and you eat like minimal calories on those days 200 to 400..???

    No. I just have a really big meal once a day and the other things I eat are pretty minimal when I do eat them.

    So you are eating throughout the day, they are just low calorie intakes.


    Not fasting?

    Not so much through out the day. I typically only have 1-2 snacks and I rarely need insulin for them because (unless it's fruit) they are low carb. Sometimes I break it up and have a snack before my meal and one after my meal. Unless my snacks invokes meat, they are almost never over 100 calories.

    So during your fasting period, you eat food?

    Again, not fasting?

    And again, fasting + diabetes = not good?

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  • Serah87
    Serah87 Posts: 5,481 Member
    edited April 2015
    ana3067 wrote: »
    MrM27 wrote: »
    ana3067 wrote: »
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    Nevermind. I stand corrected. Eat Stop Eat does 24 hour fasts. I don't know how advisable it is for a diabetic to be doing it.

    I thought that was 5:2 and you eat like minimal calories on those days 200 to 400..???

    No. I just have a really big meal once a day and the other things I eat are pretty minimal when I do eat them.

    So you are eating throughout the day, they are just low calorie intakes.


    Not fasting?

    "Wait, so your schedule now looks like this?

    3 or 4pm you eat.
    Midnight 8 units
    Noon 8 units
    3 or 4pm you eat
    Midnight 8 units
    Noon 8 units

    Is that correct?"

    "Yeah pretty much. Sometimes I snack before bedtime but I already said what kind of things I snack on".


    ana3067 wrote: »
    MrM27 wrote: »
    ana3067 wrote: »
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    Nevermind. I stand corrected. Eat Stop Eat does 24 hour fasts. I don't know how advisable it is for a diabetic to be doing it.

    I thought that was 5:2 and you eat like minimal calories on those days 200 to 400..???

    No. I just have a really big meal once a day and the other things I eat are pretty minimal when I do eat them.

    So you are eating throughout the day, they are just low calorie intakes.


    Not fasting?

    "Wait, so your schedule now looks like this?

    3 or 4pm you eat.
    Midnight 8 units
    Noon 8 units
    3 or 4pm you eat
    Midnight 8 units
    Noon 8 units

    Is that correct?"

    "Yeah pretty much. Sometimes I snack before bedtime but I already said what kind of things I snack on".

    I don't understand what that even means. what are units?

    I missed an important thread, didn't I?



    Here is the thread: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10122024/tips-for-eating-out/p1
  • Mr_Knight
    Mr_Knight Posts: 9,532 Member
    edited April 2015
    Good grief. Fasting does not require complete abstinence from food.

    Any given protocol may or may not call for complete abstinence, but the term fasting itself means anything from no food to large reduction in food to exclusion of specific foods.

    Seems pretty clear the OP is using the term "fasting" in the context of what makes sense for her pre-existing medical condition.
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