EATING CLEAN VERSUS EATING LESS
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OP does get cudos for going public with this and all the mocking, sarcasm and scrutiny to come...
I presumed that her 800 additional calories is still a deficit. My thing is 8 weeks of wasting time and getting a lot of flack for doing this public..
But OP probably really does not give a rats *** about what anybody thinks... this may be the end goal to get the MFP community in an up roar (this thread is already at 5 pages and will grow immensely)..0 -
Damn you went through all that effort and you went with a 14.1" Sony VAIO.!?!paultucker1007 wrote: »Cryptonomnomicon wrote: »I believe there is no harm in the OP from learning from first hand experience, sometimes borrowed knowledge just isn't satisfying enough.
I can understand this point of view. For example, when I decided that I needed to post on this thread, I felt that I simply couldn't rely on using a computer that was designed and made with knowledge and processes that I didn't experience myself. Instead of spending some money at my local electronics retailer, I spent 5000 years rediscovering electronics, programming, microchip fabrication, mining, transportation, electricity etc etc and singlehandedly crafted a 14.1" Sony VAIO from scratch.
TOTALLY worth it.
I think you better start all over again.
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OP does get cudos for going public with this and all the mocking, sarcasm and scrutiny to come...
I presumed that her 800 additional calories is still a deficit. My thing is 8 weeks of wasting time and getting a lot of flack for doing this public..
But OP probably really does not give a rats *** about what anybody thinks... this may be the end goal to get the MFP community in an up roar (this thread is already at 5 pages and will grow immensely)..
Yes I assume it would be also. 2100 is maintenance for me when I'm active, and I'm very small. But OP is claiming she's going to lose weight despite a surplus, so that's why I told her she needs to figure out what maintenance is first. I would not be at all surprised if she loses weight on 2100 or even 2300. It doesn't mean anything unless she's tested that 2300 is the level at which she maintains her weight before she starts.0 -
OP does get cudos for going public with this and all the mocking, sarcasm and scrutiny to come...
I presumed that her 800 additional calories is still a deficit. My thing is 8 weeks of wasting time and getting a lot of flack for doing this public..
But OP probably really does not give a rats *** about what anybody thinks... this may be the end goal to get the MFP community in an up roar (this thread is already at 5 pages and will grow immensely)..
No, after questioning it was established that she thinks she can eat above TDEE (ie at a surplus) and lose weight as long as she eats 'clean' (though what that actually means is still a little up in the air), so the additional calories were increased. She's hoping for 8lbs in a month.
I for one will certainly be watching this space.0 -
ILiftHeavyAcrylics wrote: »OP does get cudos for going public with this and all the mocking, sarcasm and scrutiny to come...
I presumed that her 800 additional calories is still a deficit. My thing is 8 weeks of wasting time and getting a lot of flack for doing this public..
But OP probably really does not give a rats *** about what anybody thinks... this may be the end goal to get the MFP community in an up roar (this thread is already at 5 pages and will grow immensely)..
Yes I assume it would be also. 2100 is maintenance for me when I'm active, and I'm very small. But OP is claiming she's going to lose weight despite a surplus, so that's why I told her she needs to figure out what maintenance is first. I would not be at all surprised if she loses weight on 2100 or even 2300. It doesn't mean anything unless she's tested that 2300 is the level at which she maintains her weight before she starts.
Agreed and I think we pointed out something that the OP has not revealed...eating at maintenance test prior to setting this up is the key in this equation..
Since we agree on this, just how much weight is going to be lost, may a couple of ounces a week? And the definition of eating clean will be quite interesting...
How does one really know if truthful logging is being done in the nutrition diary and weight tracker?
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EatMoreJustBetter wrote: »Hi all, welcome to my experiment...
I will be eating 2100
I believe I will still lose weight without starving myself because eating clean and burning fat is far different than eating junk and burning muscle... whats more I think I will lose more weight this way...
Good luck!
And for the skeptics (I'm one) - is there anything this person would do that would convince you of any of the results? I don't believe the Food Babe. Or the Banana Guy. Or Dr. Oz. Because they are all out of whack and lack scientific rigour. And not to put too fine a point to it, but all these hacks have more to lose than the OP of this thread.
Heck, people get all out of shape here for not citing peer-reviewed research. So there's literally way most of us would believe in the rigour of your experiment (sure, you "logged" it. Doesn't mean your logging is auditable, or that you actually ate what you displayed, etc.). So I say go for it. Considering your starting point, you're probably much better off with those changes in your diet and you get to learn about yourself. As for contribution to general scientific knowledge, irrespective of success or failure? Minuscule.
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If the OP logs in the diary and changes the weight tracker will we believe it? Will the community think it is not truthful logging?
Will someone actually go, wow this really works and start eating 800+ calories and eat the things that are logged? NOPE..0 -
I'm pretty sure there's a woman who's around here quite a lot... she's vegan, or vegetarian. She's often said that she gained most of her weight by 'eating clean', but eating too much of it. I myself barely get any 'clean' food into my diet. I mostly eat 'processed' meat, sandwiches, 'junk' food, 'processed' yoghurt and 'processed' soups. And chocolate. I eat tomatoes sometimes, tinned sweetcorn maybe once a week and an apple every other day, on average, and that's all the fruit and vegetables I usually get. I've lost 52lbs eating like this, just under calories. I know that for my general health I should probably eat better (though I haven't had any health problems) but I don't have a kitchen right now.
Good luck, OP, but I don't think it's going to work. Please make sure you log accurately.
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OP- I wish you luck.
My guess is that you will get the same results I did: steady weight gain as a result of eating above your TDEE. And my diet was almost exclusively plant based. Some unpasteurized dairy, homemade baked goods made of ancient and sprouted grains, occasional local, grass fed, lean cuts of meat. I ate nothing from conventional grocery stores, nothing non-organic, no added salt or sugar. It was just a slightly less destructive, if more time consuming version of the eating disorder I'd already been battling for ten years.
Yesterday I had two bowls of Chocolate Marshmallow Mateys AND ice cream, in addition to a healthy balanced diet, I stayed about 400 calories below my TDEE, hit my macros and micros and I'm much happier and healthier than I was when eating a non organic apple was the worst thing I could imagine doing to myself. I have also lost 60 pounds.
All that being said, if you eat processed foods now and intend to go cold turkey, I imagine you will lose lots of water weight, but that =/= fat loss.0 -
EatMoreJustBetter wrote: »Karen_libert wrote: »Can I volunteer for the eating all the junk food and still loosing weight experiment please?
Are you serious???
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These people ate clean and gained weight
http://www.healthylivingheavylifting.com/the-perils-of-clean-eating/
“I worked with a doctor for 3 years who prescribed a strict elimination diet. No sugar, no starches. He told me to eat meat, fat, full fat dairy, non starchy vegetables, and nuts. 6x per day. Quantity didn’t matter. 3 years. I didn’t question it until he wasn’t able to answer my question – Why had I gained 30 pounds?”0 -
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sorry but if "clean eating" works so great, how did you come to need to lose 80 pounds?0 -
Liftng4Lis wrote: »TL:DR-
sorry but if "clean eating" works so great, how did you come to need to lose 80 pounds?
She mentioned that she used to eat lots of 'junk'.0 -
MarziPanda95 wrote: »Liftng4Lis wrote: »TL:DR-
sorry but if "clean eating" works so great, how did you come to need to lose 80 pounds?
She mentioned that she used to eat lots of 'junk'.
Then I'm sure someone mentioned a caloric deficit is all that's necessary for weight loss.
OP, I'd be more inclined to look at sustainability of your food choices. IMO, labeling how ones going to eat is setting oneself up for failure. I believe in eating how I plan to carry on.0 -
I didn't read all 6 pages. Just the first couple.
If you are going to do this right, you are going to have to figure out your TDEE the real way. Not some calculator on the internet. Otherwise the test doesn't prove anything. For the first 4 months, I lost well over what I should have been losing eating "processed junk". The reason being is that I hadn't really figured out my TDEE. I just used calculators/estimates.
Now, if you have already done that in the few month prior, disregard.0 -
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TyronnePanaino wrote: »Peoples' negative responses, in such arrogant manner, are the reason I've stopped posting to either help, defend or assist anyone in any way on the forums.. Nor will I ever ask for advice or post opinion regarding health and nutrition again.
LOL MFP forums got you butthurt.0 -
I wanna say something but I would mess up this waste of time experiment OP wants to. It funny she uses that it will be hard to consume a very low calorie foods to get to high calorie intake. That right there tells you something does it not?
Spinach really. One of the lowest calorie foods. LOL. This is too funny. Well OP this will set you back until you reason it from your 80 pound ticker.0 -
I think this could be a really interesting experiment (although like others said there's an issue with controls--you'd need scale photos and photos in general, at the least).
The bigger issue, as rabbitjb and others have pointed out, is that you need a reliable TDEE and guidelines for the rules, as well as an open diary. And you need some way of monitoring or accounting for changes in activity. I think it would make sense to define what was being excluded and included and why (the reasoning for why the particular food is believed to be bad or good for losing weight).
When I started I was told by MFP that I'd lose about 1.8 lbs at 1250, and I lost closer to 3 on average for a while. I think it's because I was more active than I realized, and that's before getting into the issue of actual exercise calories (which I ate back, at least in part). (It also could be because the calculators were off for me, but currently my results are pretty close to the scooby calculator, although have always been above the IIFYM predictions.)0 -
Now I have to wait 1 month to see the results!!! Why didn't I stumble on this thread 45 days after it started? I am so impatient.0
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I didn't read all 6 pages. Just the first couple.
If you are going to do this right, you are going to have to figure out your TDEE the real way. Not some calculator on the internet. Otherwise the test doesn't prove anything. For the first 4 months, I lost well over what I should have been losing eating "processed junk". The reason being is that I hadn't really figured out my TDEE. I just used calculators/estimates.
Now, if you have already done that in the few month prior, disregard.
Could you be so kind and post a link, or enlighten us as to how to calculate the TDEE? Because I go basal and then add the calories I burn by activity measuring. It has worked ok so far. But I would like to know your method and give it a try. (This is OUR thread so I am not hijacking it)
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eating junk burns muscle? since when?0
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I didn't read all 6 pages. Just the first couple.
If you are going to do this right, you are going to have to figure out your TDEE the real way. Not some calculator on the internet. Otherwise the test doesn't prove anything. For the first 4 months, I lost well over what I should have been losing eating "processed junk". The reason being is that I hadn't really figured out my TDEE. I just used calculators/estimates.
Now, if you have already done that in the few month prior, disregard.
Could you be so kind and post a link, or enlighten us as to how to calculate the TDEE? Because I go basal and then add the calories I burn by activity measuring. It has worked ok so far. But I would like to know your method and give it a try. (This is OUR thread so I am not hijacking it)
Here is the site you can use and that this experiment should use.
http://scoobysworkshop.com/calorie-calculator/0 -
HerbertNenenger wrote: »eating junk burns muscle? since when?
I definitely missed the memo on that. I always have a small amount of what the OP would consider junk and I've been successfully recomping for quite some time.0 -
I've only made it through two pages and I feel like beating my head against the wall. This person is obviously trying to get a rise out of the MFP community. Let him/her do the stupid expirment and be done with it.0
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I didn't read all 6 pages. Just the first couple.
If you are going to do this right, you are going to have to figure out your TDEE the real way. Not some calculator on the internet. Otherwise the test doesn't prove anything. For the first 4 months, I lost well over what I should have been losing eating "processed junk". The reason being is that I hadn't really figured out my TDEE. I just used calculators/estimates.
Now, if you have already done that in the few month prior, disregard.
Could you be so kind and post a link, or enlighten us as to how to calculate the TDEE? Because I go basal and then add the calories I burn by activity measuring. It has worked ok so far. But I would like to know your method and give it a try. (This is OUR thread so I am not hijacking it)
TDEE is best calculated by eating a given number of calories over a set number of weeks. You can use an online calculator to give you an estimate, let's say 2800. You eat 2800cal/day for x number of weeks... if your weight doesn't change, you are at your TDEE, if your weight goes up try removing 100cal from your daily intake and give it a few more weeks. If your weight goes down add 100cal. Do this until you find the number of calories you have to eat that doesn't make your weight change. That is your true TDEE.0 -
sherbear702 wrote: »I've only made it through two pages and I feel like beating my head against the wall. This person is obviously trying to get a rise out of the MFP community. Let him/her do the stupid expirment and be done with it.
Some would ask why this gives you this reaction?
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Maybe it's time for you to join Plenty of Fish.
You need a better hobby.0 -
It appears someone missed April Fool's Day.
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