EATING CLEAN VERSUS EATING LESS
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health4me2015 wrote: »This will be interesting and perhaps helpful to some...I don't understand why some people feel the need to be so negative.
Because OP is not a fracking special snowflake. If MFP told her to eat 1300 calories that means her estimated maintenance is around 2300 calories. Therefore a tiny deficit of 100 calories unless she also plans to burn maybe another 200 every day to create a 300 calorie deficit. Which will NOT yield 2lb/weel losses but more like .6-7lb/week losses.
Although if she is saying that her TDEE (which I'm assuming she procured from another website, since MFP doesnt' give you your TDEE but only your neat maintenance needs) is LOWER than what it would hypothetically be per the MFP calculations, and she will be eating ABOVE her MAINTENANCE needs, that means she will not lose weight.
Eating 2200 calories of carrots won't make someone lose weight just because carrots.0 -
I think it will be helpful to some, when it falsifies the OP's hypothesis.
Actually, TBH I think that those who already believe "eating clean" has magical powers are very unlikely to be persuaded by any data or evidence.0 -
Hold on, I thought you weren't doing processed. Protein shakes is about as processed as you get. A McDonalds burger has more real food in it than a protein shake.Oh no please do not assume anything.... I mean greens, natural chi seeds, garbanzo beans, and maybe some pineapple.... a protein shake is a skake with protien, lol...
Processed is like orange juice
You really ARE trolling, aren't you?0 -
LiftAllThePizzas wrote: »I think it will be helpful to some, when it falsifies the OP's hypothesis.
Actually, TBH I think that those who already believe "eating clean" has magical powers are very unlikely to be persuaded by any data or evidence.
They haven't so far...why would that change now...
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yopeeps025 wrote: »I didn't read all 6 pages. Just the first couple.
If you are going to do this right, you are going to have to figure out your TDEE the real way. Not some calculator on the internet. Otherwise the test doesn't prove anything. For the first 4 months, I lost well over what I should have been losing eating "processed junk". The reason being is that I hadn't really figured out my TDEE. I just used calculators/estimates.
Now, if you have already done that in the few month prior, disregard.
Could you be so kind and post a link, or enlighten us as to how to calculate the TDEE? Because I go basal and then add the calories I burn by activity measuring. It has worked ok so far. But I would like to know your method and give it a try. (This is OUR thread so I am not hijacking it)
Here is the site you can use and that this experiment should use.
http://scoobysworkshop.com/calorie-calculator/
Or even just like.. you know... MFP itself which would have given this person (and everyone who signs up) their caloric deficit to which they would add exercise calories
I never understand how people sign up for this website and are stumped as to how htey should figure out how much to eat loll.0 -
I'm sure they will come in saying she has a metabolic condition, thus her maintenance is actually really low.LiftAllThePizzas wrote: »I think it will be helpful to some, when it falsifies the OP's hypothesis.
Actually, TBH I think that those who already believe "eating clean" has magical powers are very unlikely to be persuaded by any data or evidence.
OH, also, can I just lol @ the fact that beans are provided as her protein source in like, every post? Instead of, oh, idk... meat, poultry, and fish?
Trololol
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BTW, I skimmed the whole thread. Did OP ever state how much she expects to lose on this "diet plan"? Like, does she expect to lose 8lbs/month? Or 0.0001lbs/month?0
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I'm sure they will come in saying she has a metabolic condition, thus her maintenance is actually really low.LiftAllThePizzas wrote: »I think it will be helpful to some, when it falsifies the OP's hypothesis.
Actually, TBH I think that those who already believe "eating clean" has magical powers are very unlikely to be persuaded by any data or evidence.
OH, also, can I just lol @ the fact that beans are provided as her protein source in like, every post? Instead of, oh, idk... meat, poultry, and fish?
Trololol
They'll also probably claim that she wasn't really eating "clean" because something she ate wasn't on their personal list of "clean" items. I've been told that frozen vegetables aren't clean, that no grains are clean, that oil isn't clean. It's completely subjective.
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paultucker1007 wrote: »Well, I for one look forward to the results of an n=1 non-blinded experiment conducted by someone with no science background and a vested interest in the outcome. I really feel that this will add greatly to the collective knowledge of humanity.
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Alatariel75 wrote: »If you eat less than you burn, you will lose. If you eat more than you burn, no matter what you eat, you won't lose. Coz science.
Wizardry.
(Wait. Is OP a different account of the same person who tried to school me last night on how weight management really works?)0 -
ILiftHeavyAcrylics wrote: »
It's my bs-detecting magic power.0 -
OP needs a control group for this to be a good experiment. She needs to eat the same amount of calories in "junk" for a month as she will with her "clean" month and measure and compare the gains and losses. If done correctly, a similar pattern should emerge, since calories are units of energy and whatnot, but what do I know?0
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health4me2015 wrote: »This will be interesting and perhaps helpful to some...I don't understand why some people feel the need to be so negative.
Because on t'internet, everyone is an expert.
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Like that one thread in Food & Nutrition once where some guy argued that frozen fruit is processed and then all the comments got deleted.janejellyroll wrote: »
I'm sure they will come in saying she has a metabolic condition, thus her maintenance is actually really low.LiftAllThePizzas wrote: »I think it will be helpful to some, when it falsifies the OP's hypothesis.
Actually, TBH I think that those who already believe "eating clean" has magical powers are very unlikely to be persuaded by any data or evidence.
OH, also, can I just lol @ the fact that beans are provided as her protein source in like, every post? Instead of, oh, idk... meat, poultry, and fish?
Trololol
They'll also probably claim that she wasn't really eating "clean" because something she ate wasn't on their personal list of "clean" items. I've been told that frozen vegetables aren't clean, that no grains are clean, that oil isn't clean. It's completely subjective.
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EatMoreJustBetter wrote: »A grilled whopper is 649 calories... I would have to eat almost 93 cups of spinach to get to that many calories.... that is what I meant about having a hard time reaching this goal with good eating... lol
In what universe is someone eating 93 cups of spinach (or anything really) considered "good eating"???
Ugh. Guess I need to finish catching up before posting. I'm sure this has already been covered.0 -
My personal story: I might or might not have eaten what most "clean" eaters consider clean ... I don't know what that is because it's so nebulous a term. But I ate a diet of what most people would consider healthy food.
I ate eggs, lots of fresh produce, Greek yogurt, cheese, beans and legumes, nuts, seeds, and fish (I was still eating this at that point), nut butter and olive oil. I ate no sugar. No grains.
I gained weight. Plain and simple, I was eating too much food.
I eat the same things now (except for the fish). I also eat some grains, some sugar, and ice cream and cookies. I've added back white potatoes. In much lower quantities within an appropriate caloric deficit. I'm losing weight.0 -
HerbertNenenger wrote: »eating junk burns muscle? since when?
I curl the Cheetos to my mouth, ya know, just so it all evens out.0 -
lisaabenjamin wrote: »Good luck with this. Personally, I don't think you will lose weight, but you might feel better for getting rid of junk food from your diet. Interested to see how you get on!
If she insists on eating 93 cups of spinach/salad, she'll lose weight. 1) because she'll be eating at a deficit because she won't be able to eat that much, and 2) she'll no longer be sedentary because she'll be running laps to the bathroom.
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mamapeach910 wrote: »My personal story: I might or might not have eaten what most "clean" eaters consider clean ... I don't know what that is because it's so nebulous a term. But I ate a diet of what most people would consider healthy food.
I ate eggs, lots of fresh produce, Greek yogurt, cheese, beans and legumes, nuts, seeds, and fish (I was still eating this at that point), nut butter and olive oil. I ate no sugar. No grains.
I gained weight. Plain and simple, I was eating too much food.
I eat the same things now (except for the fish). I also eat some grains, some sugar, and ice cream and cookies. I've added back white potatoes. In much lower quantities within an appropriate caloric deficit. I'm losing weight.
Well duh, oil =/= clean! mystery solved!0 -
AlisonH729 wrote: »HerbertNenenger wrote: »eating junk burns muscle? since when?
I curl the Cheetos to my mouth, ya know, just so it all evens out.
Have you tried these?
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mamapeach910 wrote: »My personal story: I might or might not have eaten what most "clean" eaters consider clean ... I don't know what that is because it's so nebulous a term. But I ate a diet of what most people would consider healthy food.
I ate eggs, lots of fresh produce, Greek yogurt, cheese, beans and legumes, nuts, seeds, and fish (I was still eating this at that point), nut butter and olive oil. I ate no sugar. No grains.
I gained weight. Plain and simple, I was eating too much food.
I eat the same things now (except for the fish). I also eat some grains, some sugar, and ice cream and cookies. I've added back white potatoes. In much lower quantities within an appropriate caloric deficit. I'm losing weight.
Well duh, oil =/= clean! mystery solved!
Yes, TIL I should have pressed it out of avocados or walnuts myself. After I flew on a plane and harvested them from organic sources, naturally.
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ILiftHeavyAcrylics wrote: »OP does get cudos for going public with this and all the mocking, sarcasm and scrutiny to come...
I presumed that her 800 additional calories is still a deficit. My thing is 8 weeks of wasting time and getting a lot of flack for doing this public..
But OP probably really does not give a rats *** about what anybody thinks... this may be the end goal to get the MFP community in an up roar (this thread is already at 5 pages and will grow immensely)..
Yes I assume it would be also. 2100 is maintenance for me when I'm active, and I'm very small. But OP is claiming she's going to lose weight despite a surplus, so that's why I told her she needs to figure out what maintenance is first. I would not be at all surprised if she loses weight on 2100 or even 2300. It doesn't mean anything unless she's tested that 2300 is the level at which she maintains her weight before she starts.
Agreed and I think we pointed out something that the OP has not revealed...eating at maintenance test prior to setting this up is the key in this equation..
Since we agree on this, just how much weight is going to be lost, may a couple of ounces a week? And the definition of eating clean will be quite interesting...
How does one really know if truthful logging is being done in the nutrition diary and weight tracker?
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Oh, you don't grow them in your backyard?mamapeach910 wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »My personal story: I might or might not have eaten what most "clean" eaters consider clean ... I don't know what that is because it's so nebulous a term. But I ate a diet of what most people would consider healthy food.
I ate eggs, lots of fresh produce, Greek yogurt, cheese, beans and legumes, nuts, seeds, and fish (I was still eating this at that point), nut butter and olive oil. I ate no sugar. No grains.
I gained weight. Plain and simple, I was eating too much food.
I eat the same things now (except for the fish). I also eat some grains, some sugar, and ice cream and cookies. I've added back white potatoes. In much lower quantities within an appropriate caloric deficit. I'm losing weight.
Well duh, oil =/= clean! mystery solved!
Yes, TIL I should have pressed it out of avocados or walnuts myself. After I flew on a plane and harvested them from organic sources, naturally.
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If 2100 doesn't have you in deficit, you will not lose! Eating 'clean' at deficit gives you the benefit of more volume of food (and getting the micronutrients you need), it's not a magical formula to lose.
Good luck with your experiment, although it does seem pointless to test something that has already been proven.0 -
jofjltncb6 wrote: »EatMoreJustBetter wrote: »A grilled whopper is 649 calories... I would have to eat almost 93 cups of spinach to get to that many calories.... that is what I meant about having a hard time reaching this goal with good eating... lol
In what universe is someone eating 93 cups of spinach (or anything really) considered "good eating"???
Ugh. Guess I need to finish catching up before posting. I'm sure this has already been covered.
If someone ate 93 cups of spinach a day, they'd probably get an iron overdose or something.0 -
sherbear702 wrote: »I've only made it through two pages and I feel like beating my head against the wall. This person is obviously trying to get a rise out of the MFP community. Let him/her do the stupid expirment and be done with it.
Are you saying we shouldn't post in the thread then? Are you saying that *no one* should post in the thread? I'm a little confused about the takeaway message of your post.
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health4me2015 wrote: »This will be interesting and perhaps helpful to some...I don't understand why some people feel the need to be so negative.
Because OP is not a fracking special snowflake. If MFP told her to eat 1300 calories that means her estimated maintenance is around 2300 calories. Therefore a tiny deficit of 100 calories unless she also plans to burn maybe another 200 every day to create a 300 calorie deficit. Which will NOT yield 2lb/weel losses but more like .6-7lb/week losses.
Although if she is saying that her TDEE (which I'm assuming she procured from another website, since MFP doesnt' give you your TDEE but only your neat maintenance needs) is LOWER than what it would hypothetically be per the MFP calculations, and she will be eating ABOVE her MAINTENANCE needs, that means she will not lose weight.
Eating 2200 calories of carrots won't make someone lose weight just because carrots.
It will, however, make them an interesting shade of orange.0 -
AlisonH729 wrote: »HerbertNenenger wrote: »eating junk burns muscle? since when?
I curl the Cheetos to my mouth, ya know, just so it all evens out.
Have you tried these?
Just pour them right in. Sorry muscles, not sorry.0
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