EATING CLEAN VERSUS EATING LESS
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EvgeniZyntx wrote: »EatMoreJustBetter wrote: »EvgeniZyntx wrote: »BTW, according to various calculations your TDEE is around
2270 Mifflin-St Jeor
2300 Harris Benedict
if you are truly sedentary. That would be your maintenance level - eating 2100 is a small cut.
Do you plan to carry out any exercise or just sit on the couch?
If you change your routine, you'll certainly lose weight. So please, don't change your routine.
I keep asking how she arrived at her TDEE but pft at me.
Also don't you get too smart and knowledgeable in here mister. Don't ruin this with your brains.
I was not ignoring you, I just trying to anwser everyone ... ok fine lets go with 2300...lord thats a lot of salad lol
Cool, good luck - how long are you doing this?
Ok used yours, the higher one said 2309
For at least a month, hopefully more.... if I am wrong I will quit clearly, but if not I will keep going.... but quick question, how often do I have to check my TDEE0 -
EatMoreJustBetter wrote: »EatMoreJustBetter wrote: »In order for it to be useful, OP (as I suggested earlier) needs to establish her true TDEE then eat regular food at maintenance then replace regular food with her consideration of what is clean food
And each stage should last a minimum of 8 weeks
THAT would be interesting
Clean eating means no junk food, processed foods, and what not... that is normal food...
Define processed
Define junk
Would a burger be junk..ya know organic, home-reared fresh ground beef, onions, spices, a fresh-laid egg. Would it become unclean if I topped it with cheese, what about lettuce, tomato? Is it the bread? What if I made it at home ...is it the fact that the wheat is ground that makes a process or the yeast is a leavening process
This is why "clean" has no definition
MMMMM got ya... ok... I will not be eating any fast food, nothing with processed/added sugars... mostly veggies for carbs and beans for proteins, original grains, and so fourth....
What are original grains?
And now I have this stuck in my head:
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EvgeniZyntx wrote: »EvgeniZyntx wrote: »EvgeniZyntx wrote: »BTW, according to various calculations your TDEE is around
2270 Mifflin-St Jeor
2300 Harris Benedict
if you are truly sedentary. That would be your maintenance level - eating 2100 is a small cut.
Do you plan to carry out any exercise or just sit on the couch?
If you change your routine, you'll certainly lose weight. So please, don't change your routine.
I keep asking how she arrived at her TDEE but pft at me.
Also don't you get too smart and knowledgeable in here mister. Don't ruin this with your brains.
I won't - I'd just like her to eat at her TDEE.
I think it's a glorious experiment.
That's fair.
Now to help the OP run her experiment properly we must first arrive at her actual TDEE and not what some calculator spat back at her. Clearly the usual method of trial and error over a long period of time is out which leaves...uh.
...Nothing?
That's ok. We can always claim she didn't actually know her TDEE. (Am I ruining it?)
I'm not going to post on how I'd design this, I'm sure that WOULD ruin it.
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EatMoreJustBetter wrote: »Blimey what a bunch of haters, lol....
People are resistant to changes in paradigm. Every single scientific breakthrough of any worth has seen detractors. The more challenging an idea is the greater the resistance. Carry out your work, document it well, this could be a huge paradigm shift for these IIFYM people. It could be a new way of losing weight.0 -
EatMoreJustBetter wrote: »EvgeniZyntx wrote: »EatMoreJustBetter wrote: »EvgeniZyntx wrote: »BTW, according to various calculations your TDEE is around
2270 Mifflin-St Jeor
2300 Harris Benedict
if you are truly sedentary. That would be your maintenance level - eating 2100 is a small cut.
Do you plan to carry out any exercise or just sit on the couch?
If you change your routine, you'll certainly lose weight. So please, don't change your routine.
I keep asking how she arrived at her TDEE but pft at me.
Also don't you get too smart and knowledgeable in here mister. Don't ruin this with your brains.
I was not ignoring you, I just trying to anwser everyone ... ok fine lets go with 2300...lord thats a lot of salad lol
Cool, good luck - how long are you doing this?
Ok used yours, the higher one said 2309
For at least a month, hopefully more.... if I am wrong I will quit clearly, but if not I will keep going.... but quick question, how often do I have to check my TDEE
Checking about every 5/10lbs lost should be fine.0 -
Does anyone know how I change the original post to reflect my new goal of 2309 or do I have to start over??? Original grains = non GMO's like spelt0
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EvgeniZyntx wrote: »EvgeniZyntx wrote: »EvgeniZyntx wrote: »BTW, according to various calculations your TDEE is around
2270 Mifflin-St Jeor
2300 Harris Benedict
if you are truly sedentary. That would be your maintenance level - eating 2100 is a small cut.
Do you plan to carry out any exercise or just sit on the couch?
If you change your routine, you'll certainly lose weight. So please, don't change your routine.
I keep asking how she arrived at her TDEE but pft at me.
Also don't you get too smart and knowledgeable in here mister. Don't ruin this with your brains.
I won't - I'd just like her to eat at her TDEE.
I think it's a glorious experiment.
That's fair.
Now to help the OP run her experiment properly we must first arrive at her actual TDEE and not what some calculator spat back at her. Clearly the usual method of trial and error over a long period of time is out which leaves...uh.
...Nothing?
That's ok. We can always claim she didn't actually know her TDEE. (Am I ruining it?)
I'm not going to post on how I'd design this, I'm sure that WOULD ruin it.
How would you conduct it?0 -
A grilled whopper is 649 calories... I would have to eat almost 93 cups of spinach to get to that many calories.... that is what I meant about having a hard time reaching this goal with good eating... lol0
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EatMoreJustBetter wrote: »EvgeniZyntx wrote: »EvgeniZyntx wrote: »EvgeniZyntx wrote: »BTW, according to various calculations your TDEE is around
2270 Mifflin-St Jeor
2300 Harris Benedict
if you are truly sedentary. That would be your maintenance level - eating 2100 is a small cut.
Do you plan to carry out any exercise or just sit on the couch?
If you change your routine, you'll certainly lose weight. So please, don't change your routine.
I keep asking how she arrived at her TDEE but pft at me.
Also don't you get too smart and knowledgeable in here mister. Don't ruin this with your brains.
I won't - I'd just like her to eat at her TDEE.
I think it's a glorious experiment.
That's fair.
Now to help the OP run her experiment properly we must first arrive at her actual TDEE and not what some calculator spat back at her. Clearly the usual method of trial and error over a long period of time is out which leaves...uh.
...Nothing?
That's ok. We can always claim she didn't actually know her TDEE. (Am I ruining it?)
I'm not going to post on how I'd design this, I'm sure that WOULD ruin it.
How would you conduct it?
I'd do a few weeks at that TDEE without changing diet before moving to 'clean eating' at the same TDEE. But you might not want that frustration time. Go ahead and try it as you designed it for 6-8 weeks. You can then compare to loss with a mixed diet and a 20% cut in TDEE.0 -
100g of avocado is 160 calories. A tablespoon of olive oil is 119 calories. 200g of atlantic salmon is 368. You don't have to live on spinach.0
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Good luck with this. Personally, I don't think you will lose weight, but you might feel better for getting rid of junk food from your diet. Interested to see how you get on!0
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EatMoreJustBetter wrote: »Does anyone know how I change the original post to reflect my new goal of 2309 or do I have to start over??? Original grains = non GMO's like spelt
Welllll, I'm gonna get nitpicky here, and point out that any domesticated crop is a GMO (genetically modified organism) by definition, and spelt is a hybrid of domesticated wheat and wild goat-grass (or of domesticated emmer and domesticated bread wheat). The earliest archaeological evidence of its existence is from around the 5th millennium BCE. In the grand scheme of things that's not very original. But okay.0 -
Alatariel75 wrote: »100g of avocado is 160 calories. A tablespoon of olive oil is 119 calories. 200g of atlantic salmon is 368. You don't have to live on spinach.
Oh my sounds like lunch *drool*0 -
Alatariel75 wrote: »100g of avocado is 160 calories. A tablespoon of olive oil is 119 calories. 200g of atlantic salmon is 368. You don't have to live on spinach.
No clearly I won't live on spinach but it will take more eating than a burger, a couple pieces of pizza, and a shake.0 -
EatMoreJustBetter wrote: »Does anyone know how I change the original post to reflect my new goal of 2309 or do I have to start over??? Original grains = non GMO's like spelt
You can edit a post for an hour. Mouse rollover the post and click on the right corner gear icon.
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But wouldn't you prefer being able to eat your burger or pizza when you want to within your calories
Cos that works too
And the lack of deprivation can be extremely motivating0 -
lisaabenjamin wrote: »Good luck with this. Personally, I don't think you will lose weight, but you might feel better for getting rid of junk food from your diet. Interested to see how you get on!
Thank you... well this whole thread started somewhere else where people are claiming that you lose the same amount of weight whether you eat pizza or salad because its totally calorie based. I said you will lose more weight eating the same amount of calories of spinach than you would pizza and they all acted like I was insane. SO then I said you could lose more fat eating more salad and less pizza, despite calorie difference. Which I stand behind. Then I decided to just jump off a cliff and try this because no one will do a comparative with me, people hate to be wrong but IDK why, to error is human... I think in reality they know when you eat food like baked fish you will lose more weight then eating the same calories in a junior burger but don't want to admit it for some odd reason...0 -
EvgeniZyntx wrote: »EatMoreJustBetter wrote: »Does anyone know how I change the original post to reflect my new goal of 2309 or do I have to start over??? Original grains = non GMO's like spelt
You can edit a post for an hour. Mouse rollover the post and click on the right corner gear icon.
Well that time is gone... thank you for letting me know....0 -
EatMoreJustBetter wrote: »lisaabenjamin wrote: »Good luck with this. Personally, I don't think you will lose weight, but you might feel better for getting rid of junk food from your diet. Interested to see how you get on!
Thank you... well this whole thread started somewhere else where people are claiming that you lose the same amount of weight whether you eat pizza or salad because its totally calorie based. I said you will lose more weight eating the same amount of calories of spinach than you would pizza and they all acted like I was insane. SO then I said you could lose more fat eating more salad and less pizza, despite calorie difference. Which I stand behind. Then I decided to just jump off a cliff and try this because no one will do a comparative with me, people hate to be wrong but IDK why, to error is human... I think in reality they know when you eat food like baked fish you will lose more weight then eating the same calories in a junior burger but don't want to admit it for some odd reason...
I'm looking forward to reading about your experiment.
I'd volunteer as a comparison but I'm active, male, not the same weight and eat about what you might call 60% clean, 40% whatever.
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EatMoreJustBetter wrote: »EvgeniZyntx wrote: »EatMoreJustBetter wrote: »Does anyone know how I change the original post to reflect my new goal of 2309 or do I have to start over??? Original grains = non GMO's like spelt
You can edit a post for an hour. Mouse rollover the post and click on the right corner gear icon.
Well that time is gone... thank you for letting me know....
We understand your update, just reflect it in your diary and start it up. Good luck!
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EatMoreJustBetter wrote: »lisaabenjamin wrote: »Good luck with this. Personally, I don't think you will lose weight, but you might feel better for getting rid of junk food from your diet. Interested to see how you get on!
Thank you... well this whole thread started somewhere else where people are claiming that you lose the same amount of weight whether you eat pizza or salad because its totally calorie based. I said you will lose more weight eating the same amount of calories of spinach than you would pizza and they all acted like I was insane. SO then I said you could lose more fat eating more salad and less pizza, despite calorie difference. Which I stand behind. Then I decided to just jump off a cliff and try this because no one will do a comparative with me, people hate to be wrong but IDK why, to error is human... I think in reality they know when you eat food like baked fish you will lose more weight then eating the same calories in a junior burger but don't want to admit it for some odd reason...
No they won't ...but they may find it easier to reach their nutritional goals ... Because that's what we do, eat everything with an eye on macros and then micros for nutritional balance and non-deprivation
Still if you wish to deprive yourself of various foods in order to hit your calorie goal, that's completely your decision
And if you want to run an experiment please follow the guidelines: establish your true TDEE over 6-8 weeks, eat everything at maintenance for the next 6-8 weeks, eat "clean" at maintenance for the next 6-8 weeks. Do not vary your activity / exercise.
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But wouldn't you prefer being able to eat your burger or pizza when you want to within your calories
Cos that works too
And the lack of deprivation can be extremely motivating
No, I would rather just eat when i am hungry without counting at all... which I think is possible with clean eating ... yes im keeping the tem bc I dont know what else to call it lol0 -
EatMoreJustBetter wrote: »But wouldn't you prefer being able to eat your burger or pizza when you want to within your calories
Cos that works too
And the lack of deprivation can be extremely motivating
No, I would rather just eat when i am hungry without counting at all... which I think is possible with clean eating ... yes im keeping the tem bc I dont know what else to call it lol
So you mean selecting low calorie foods then ...ok
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EvgeniZyntx wrote: »EatMoreJustBetter wrote: »lisaabenjamin wrote: »Good luck with this. Personally, I don't think you will lose weight, but you might feel better for getting rid of junk food from your diet. Interested to see how you get on!
Thank you... well this whole thread started somewhere else where people are claiming that you lose the same amount of weight whether you eat pizza or salad because its totally calorie based. I said you will lose more weight eating the same amount of calories of spinach than you would pizza and they all acted like I was insane. SO then I said you could lose more fat eating more salad and less pizza, despite calorie difference. Which I stand behind. Then I decided to just jump off a cliff and try this because no one will do a comparative with me, people hate to be wrong but IDK why, to error is human... I think in reality they know when you eat food like baked fish you will lose more weight then eating the same calories in a junior burger but don't want to admit it for some odd reason...
I'm looking forward to reading about your experiment.
I'd volunteer as a comparison but I'm active, male, not the same weight and eat about what you might call 60% clean, 40% whatever.
Awww thank you anyway...0 -
EatMoreJustBetter wrote: »Hi all, welcome to my experiment...
I will be eating almost 800 calories over what the suggested amount is for losing 2lbs a week
What I entered :
Weight 260
Height 5'7
Lifestyle: sedentary
The suggest 1390 a day
I will be eating 2100
I believe I will still lose weight without starving myself because eating clean and burning fat is far different than eating junk and burning muscle... whats more I think I will lose more weight this way...
I will also be drinking approximation 120 ounces of water a day to help flush fat cells
I will be posting my diary link so that you can check it, I will be logging in every day, and weighing myself once a week...
I am excited to see these results!!!
I don't get it...
You're going to compare eating "junk food" with eating "clean" how are you going to compare them? You mention nothing of how long of clean or dirty eating you're going to do.
Also if you lose weight one way, it can have a hormonal impact that will effect the other way of eating. I am pretty sure you're not even using a a good method to determine TDEE...
BTW I lost most of my weight "eating dirty"
ETA: I also realized, your title. "Eating clean vs eating less" which is contradictory to what you posted.
I am not eating both... I am doing one...
INSTEAD of eating below TDEE and whatever I want....like pizza... I am eating ABOVE TDEE stuff like protein shake... thats all....0 -
I don't understand how you're supporting this. You know it's bad science, n=1...EvgeniZyntx wrote: »EatMoreJustBetter wrote: »EvgeniZyntx wrote: »EatMoreJustBetter wrote: »Does anyone know how I change the original post to reflect my new goal of 2309 or do I have to start over??? Original grains = non GMO's like spelt
You can edit a post for an hour. Mouse rollover the post and click on the right corner gear icon.
Well that time is gone... thank you for letting me know....
We understand your update, just reflect it in your diary and start it up. Good luck!
I always support doing your own personal research and learning by observation. The OP isn't doing something harmful, readers that follow her wouldn't be doing something harmful so there is no reason not to support her - science can stand to be challenged by personal observation.
Whatever the outcome - the OP will have an overall healthier diet.
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EatMoreJustBetter wrote: »EatMoreJustBetter wrote: »Hi all, welcome to my experiment...
I will be eating almost 800 calories over what the suggested amount is for losing 2lbs a week
What I entered :
Weight 260
Height 5'7
Lifestyle: sedentary
The suggest 1390 a day
I will be eating 2100
I believe I will still lose weight without starving myself because eating clean and burning fat is far different than eating junk and burning muscle... whats more I think I will lose more weight this way...
I will also be drinking approximation 120 ounces of water a day to help flush fat cells
I will be posting my diary link so that you can check it, I will be logging in every day, and weighing myself once a week...
I am excited to see these results!!!
I don't get it...
You're going to compare eating "junk food" with eating "clean" how are you going to compare them? You mention nothing of how long of clean or dirty eating you're going to do.
Also if you lose weight one way, it can have a hormonal impact that will effect the other way of eating. I am pretty sure you're not even using a a good method to determine TDEE...
BTW I lost most of my weight "eating dirty"
ETA: I also realized, your title. "Eating clean vs eating less" which is contradictory to what you posted.
I am not eating both... I am doing one...
INSTEAD of eating below TDEE and whatever I want....like pizza... I am eating ABOVE TDEE stuff like protein shake... thats all....
Hold on, I thought you weren't doing processed. Protein shakes is about as processed as you get. A McDonalds burger has more real food in it than a protein shake.0 -
I don't understand how you're supporting this. You know it's bad science, n=1...EvgeniZyntx wrote: »EatMoreJustBetter wrote: »EvgeniZyntx wrote: »EatMoreJustBetter wrote: »Does anyone know how I change the original post to reflect my new goal of 2309 or do I have to start over??? Original grains = non GMO's like spelt
You can edit a post for an hour. Mouse rollover the post and click on the right corner gear icon.
Well that time is gone... thank you for letting me know....
We understand your update, just reflect it in your diary and start it up. Good luck!
@ PU_239 Well sir you are the go to guy for bad science! I doubt the OP will be half as arrogant or grandstanding as yourself conducting her experiment.
But I'm with EvgeniZyntx on this one, go for it OP. Take into considerations the advice you have been given.
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I believe there is no harm in the OP from learning from first hand experience, sometimes borrowed knowledge just isn't satisfying enough.0
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »EatMoreJustBetter wrote: »Does anyone know how I change the original post to reflect my new goal of 2309 or do I have to start over??? Original grains = non GMO's like spelt
Welllll, I'm gonna get nitpicky here, and point out that any domesticated crop is a GMO (genetically modified organism) by definition, and spelt is a hybrid of domesticated wheat and wild goat-grass (or of domesticated emmer and domesticated bread wheat). The earliest archaeological evidence of its existence is from around the 5th millennium BCE. In the grand scheme of things that's not very original. But okay.
Nit picky just here huh? LOL. Actually its believed that hexaploid wheat originated via hybridization of hulled tetraploid emmer with Aegilops tauschii (genomes DD) and that the nascent hexaploid was spelt, from which free-threshing wheat evolved by mutations.
And anyway, GMO means genetically modified in a way that does not occur naturally by mating and/or natural recombination... so just any crop is hybrid does not mean its considered GMO.
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