Is not doing cardio worn like a badge on honor for you?
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MrBiggiesworth wrote: »It seems like many weight lifters are proud of the fact that they do little or no cardio exercise? Why is this?
'cause 'MURICA! In 'MURICA we freedom the cardio right out of you!
Plus, lets face it, there are an awful lot of RoundBodies in the gyms convinced they're packing RPGs under the "I'm bulking" flab...regular cardio wouldn't allow them the fantasy of over-eating their way to awesomeness.
Easier to diss it and pretend its something to be avoided.
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What's more fun is playing a game of flag football with some of them and watching them gas out after a few plays.
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conversely do you make fun of an endurance athelete who comes in to lift and isn't strong enough to squat 185- or even 135?
You can't give someone a hard time for not being good at something they don't train.
That's just asinine.
One of these day's, maybe during a rest week, I'll go into the weight room here and do a few squats. I am curious now what I can do. Before I started doing triathlon I was squatting 300. Now? I am sure it would be a joke
You can come squat with me- I won't judge... then we can go to the bike room and you can watch me literally melt into a puddle of despair in a matter of 25 minutes on the bike.
Sounds fun, where do I sign up ?
LOL- well I'm in the dirty jersey currently- so probably not any time soon- but when I visit CA- we'll throw down!!!
Jersey? Hell... my next Ironman race is in Atlantic City...
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When your workout is 460lbs x 10 on back squats, your legs will get huge I guess? lol.
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What's more fun is playing a game of flag football with some of them and watching them gas out after a few plays.
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conversely do you make fun of an endurance athelete who comes in to lift and isn't strong enough to squat 185- or even 135?
You can't give someone a hard time for not being good at something they don't train.
That's just asinine.
One of these day's, maybe during a rest week, I'll go into the weight room here and do a few squats. I am curious now what I can do. Before I started doing triathlon I was squatting 300. Now? I am sure it would be a joke
You can come squat with me- I won't judge... then we can go to the bike room and you can watch me literally melt into a puddle of despair in a matter of 25 minutes on the bike.
Sounds fun, where do I sing up ?What's more fun is playing a game of flag football with some of them and watching them gas out after a few plays.
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conversely do you make fun of an endurance athelete who comes in to lift and isn't strong enough to squat 185- or even 135?
You can't give someone a hard time for not being good at something they don't train.
That's just asinine.
One of these day's, maybe during a rest week, I'll go into the weight room here and do a few squats. I am curious now what I can do. Before I started doing triathlon I was squatting 300. Now? I am sure it would be a joke
You can come squat with me- I won't judge... then we can go to the bike room and you can watch me literally melt into a puddle of despair in a matter of 25 minutes on the bike.
Sounds fun, where do I sign up ?
LOL- well I'm in the dirty jersey currently- so probably not any time soon- but when I visit CA- we'll throw down!!!
My only caviot is we hit the road on bikes and hit the hills for the final test
I'll the bring the life boat to navigate those deep puddles.
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More effective at what?aobuchanan wrote: »High intensity interval cardio has been proven to be more effective that steady stay cardio. however it takes less time. It is more difficult. I think weight lifters are generally the type of people that spend so much time in diet and exercise that a lot of steady stay cardio would cause them to have to cut out on some of the stuff they love most, lifting and strength training. So why not use a more time efficient proven way to get the cardio done that does not involve hours of cardio, but is scientifically proven to be the most effective? I don't think weight lifters avoid cardio any more than cardio enthusiasts avoid lifting, Just sayin' ! Why would they want to lift, when all they want to do is run, and visa versa? why does it have to be a problem? To each his own. Do what you love and be happy. There is no One right way to do it. One is not better than the other. It's about what gets you the results you want and what makes you happy. Or else, what is it all for anyway? Happy lifting and happy trails.
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This guy is possibly the fastest white dude in history....not sure what's "ridiculously out of proportion" on him...? Not flaming, genuinely curious.
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I should have clarified... track cyclists....
This guy is possibly the fastest white dude in history....not sure what's "out of proportion" on him...?
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MrBiggiesworth wrote: »It seems like many weight lifters are proud of the fact that they do little or no cardio exercise? Why is this?
The only lifters I see doing this are ONLY about how they look. It is not about athletic performance or other goals, and they can achieve the results they want without cardio. Personally, it is missing the complete fitness pictures IMHO. Same as the cardio nuts out there who do not do any lifting. But to each their own.
Lifting anything would be expressly counter to my goals. I neither need, nor want, extra muscles just to "look good". I accept the fact that I am a scrawny twig, and that is fine because the less I weigh the faster I can go for longer. I stopped caring what I look like ages ago.
I am sort of the mirror of you. Cardio is not conducive to my goals (the ones not related to looking good). People seem to not realize that people may have sport specific goals that mean that lifting or cardio is not the best use of time achieving those goals and can in fact be counter to those goals. Neither is wrong or better than the other - just different.
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When your workout is 460lbs x 10 on back squats, your legs will get huge I guess? lol.
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You don't build muscle from doing cardio (with the exception of the heart possibly). Why? Different muscle fiber being used. There is a difference between aerobic and anaerobic use of muscle.It's too hard for most people to do and results don't necessary fit the commercial mode. There is also a misconception than one cannot build muscle from cardio, it just look different; whether that is appealing is a different matter.
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chivalryder wrote: »3dogsrunning wrote: »aobuchanan wrote: »High intensity interval cardio has been proven to be more effective that steady stay cardio. however it takes less time. It is more difficult. I think weight lifters are generally the type of people that spend so much time in diet and exercise that a lot of steady stay cardio would cause them to have to cut out on some of the stuff they love most, lifting and strength training. So why not use a more time efficient proven way to get the cardio done that does not involve hours of cardio, but is scientifically proven to be the most effective? I don't think weight lifters avoid cardio any more than cardio enthusiasts avoid lifting, Just sayin' ! Why would they want to lift, when all they want to do is run, and visa versa? why does it have to be a problem? To each his own. Do what you love and be happy. There is no One right way to do it. One is not better than the other. It's about what gets you the results you want and what makes you happy. Or else, what is it all for anyway? Happy lifting and happy trails.
Proven more effective for what?
I don't necessarily find it more difficult. The hard effort is challenging but it is also short. I find mentally HIIT can be easier than a particularly long run at a lower but sustained effort.
All I'm gonna say is: If you feel like HIIT is easier than anything, you're doing it wrong.
HIIT should be the hardest, most intense thing you ever do, if you do it. You should feel like you're killing yourself and when you're finished, you should feel like you succeeded in doing so.
I said mentally. I can focus on getting through the short bursts and since you don't do endless intervals, it is a small number to get through which I can focus on as well.
I find it difficult but I can mentally deal with it easier.0 -
Let's face it too, most lifting bros are usually well into the 200lb range plus in shorter bodies. The local 24 here boasts lots of juiced up dudes and by the time they climb up the stairs, you can see them breathing hard already. So doing cardio for 5 minutes would be a workout in itself. That's a lot of weight to lug on any body under 6 feet tall.slideaway1 wrote: »I think it probably comes from the Bro Mentality of lifting that cardio will create the polar opposite physique to what they are trying to achieve from weight training. I think they believe that cardio will give them the physique of a Kenyan Marathon runner (which obviously it wont, just in the same way lifting will not make you Arnold). Lifters (mainly men) spend so much time worrying about making gains, preserving gains, not going catabolic, fuelling their workout etc) that the cardio is almost seen as the antithesis of lifting and should be avoided. I personally like to keep my blood pressure, cholesterol and other vitals in check with cardio and probably lift more for vanity/strength/confidence etc. Just an opinion.
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I should have clarified... track cyclists....
This guy is possibly the fastest white dude in history....not sure what's "out of proportion" on him...?
Ah, ok....
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These are guys I play with who do no cardio at all, then try to play a game that involves it. I jock with them about it since I know them and they know they are going to gas out due to not doing cardio, but play anyway because it's fun. On a friend level, I think it's okay to jab fun.What's more fun is playing a game of flag football with some of them and watching them gas out after a few plays.
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conversely do you make fun of an endurance athelete who comes in to lift and isn't strong enough to squat 185- or even 135?
You can't give someone a hard time for not being good at something they don't train.
That's just asinine.
I don't make fun of ANYONE in the gym though. It's unprofessional and uneeded.
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What's more fun is playing a game of flag football with some of them and watching them gas out after a few plays.
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conversely do you make fun of an endurance athelete who comes in to lift and isn't strong enough to squat 185- or even 135?
You can't give someone a hard time for not being good at something they don't train.
That's just asinine.
^this. I know plenty of lifters who do no cardio but can lift massive weights for hours on end. They may suck at flag football but that's not what they train for.0 -
Bricklayers yes..............messangers meh. That's what email is for now.The world needs brick layers as well as messengers.
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For reference, Anna Meares could squat 320 lbs and she only weighs 158.0
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peachyfuzzle wrote: »peachyfuzzle wrote: »Personally, I really enjoy doing both. Cardio really, really sucks when it gets hard, but the elation after breaking a goal is awesome.
My personal goal will take a couple of years to complete. I want to get down to at least 180, maybe even as low as 170 if I can manage it, then do a few slow bulk/cut cycles so I can pack on some lean muscle, and get to around 15% bf at around 180 - 190 at 6'1" all while keeping up on my cardio.
I would really like to be able to complete a marathon, but be functionally strong as well. My 33rd birthday is August 1st, and I feel as though a lot of this could be accomplished by the time I'm 35.
I guess my fitness mindset mimics my personality because I'm a staunch pragmatist. I find joy, and beauty in practicality rather than form. However, if I could get some form while maximizing that practicality, I would be extraordinarily happy.
Diet and lift (heavy stuff).
Most definitely, and without question. As soon as my shoulder heals within the next couple of months, I will start up weightlifting again. I screwed it up pushing too hard on my OHP gains a few months ago, and it's finally just starting to get back to normal, so I've only had cardio at my disposal.
I figure that I should be good to go on the lifting front by June, and will resume very slowly accordingly.
Diet is already in check, and I'm already down 50lbs since November.
Awesome job mate!!!
Congrats!!!
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Yep. I've had them both benefit and interfere with each other. For example squats and deads gave me strength which increased my cruising speed on a bike, and increased my vertical lunge on the diving board.MrBiggiesworth wrote: »It seems like many weight lifters are proud of the fact that they do little or no cardio exercise? Why is this?
The only lifters I see doing this are ONLY about how they look. It is not about athletic performance or other goals, and they can achieve the results they want without cardio. Personally, it is missing the complete fitness pictures IMHO. Same as the cardio nuts out there who do not do any lifting. But to each their own.
Lifting anything would be expressly counter to my goals. I neither need, nor want, extra muscles just to "look good". I accept the fact that I am a scrawny twig, and that is fine because the less I weigh the faster I can go for longer. I stopped caring what I look like ages ago.
I am sort of the mirror of you. Cardio is not conducive to my goals (the ones not related to looking good). People seem to not realize that people may have sport specific goals that mean that lifting or cardio is not the best use of time achieving those goals and can in fact be counter to those goals. Neither is wrong or better than the other - just different.
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I think going 100% for 20 seconds 10 or 15 times is going to be orders of magnitude easier than going 96% max for a continuous 20 min. (a 5K well raced) or 91% max for a continuous 90 min (a HM well raced).3dogsrunning wrote: »chivalryder wrote: »3dogsrunning wrote: »aobuchanan wrote: »High intensity interval cardio has been proven to be more effective that steady stay cardio. however it takes less time. It is more difficult. I think weight lifters are generally the type of people that spend so much time in diet and exercise that a lot of steady stay cardio would cause them to have to cut out on some of the stuff they love most, lifting and strength training. So why not use a more time efficient proven way to get the cardio done that does not involve hours of cardio, but is scientifically proven to be the most effective? I don't think weight lifters avoid cardio any more than cardio enthusiasts avoid lifting, Just sayin' ! Why would they want to lift, when all they want to do is run, and visa versa? why does it have to be a problem? To each his own. Do what you love and be happy. There is no One right way to do it. One is not better than the other. It's about what gets you the results you want and what makes you happy. Or else, what is it all for anyway? Happy lifting and happy trails.
Proven more effective for what?
I don't necessarily find it more difficult. The hard effort is challenging but it is also short. I find mentally HIIT can be easier than a particularly long run at a lower but sustained effort.
All I'm gonna say is: If you feel like HIIT is easier than anything, you're doing it wrong.
HIIT should be the hardest, most intense thing you ever do, if you do it. You should feel like you're killing yourself and when you're finished, you should feel like you succeeded in doing so.
I said mentally. I can focus on getting through the short bursts and since you don't do endless intervals, it is a small number to get through which I can focus on as well.
I find it difficult but I can mentally deal with it easier.
Anyway, if HIIT was the proven best method for building cardio vascular fitness then there would be at least one elite champion in the history of the universe that trained that way. But there isn't.
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Speaking of track cyclists quads, this is a good read:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/07/sports/olympics/olympic-cyclists-thigh-popping-success-starts-in-quads.html?_r=0
"The British track cyclist Chris Hoy, who collected his fifth career gold medal in the men’s team sprint Thursday, noted recently that his thighs measured 27 inches, or size 8 for a woman’s waist."
"At his peak, Staff said, he could squat about 529 pounds."
"Newell recommended living with noncyclists so as to finish what they do not eat. She also advocated drinking microbrews and having dessert with breakfast."0 -
I think going 100% for 20 seconds 10 or 15 times...
That's not even physically possible. The only way to do something "10 or 15 times" in rapid succession is if you're NOT "going 100%".
The "100%" doesn't refer to the person's "this is what it feels like" level, it's about what the body is actually doing. And even the bodies of very well trained athletes don't have 100% left to give after a handful of genuinely all-out efforts.
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I think going 100% for 20 seconds 10 or 15 times is going to be orders of magnitude easier than going 96% max for a continuous 20 min. (a 5K well raced) or 91% max for a continuous 90 min (a HM well raced).3dogsrunning wrote: »chivalryder wrote: »3dogsrunning wrote: »aobuchanan wrote: »High intensity interval cardio has been proven to be more effective that steady stay cardio. however it takes less time. It is more difficult. I think weight lifters are generally the type of people that spend so much time in diet and exercise that a lot of steady stay cardio would cause them to have to cut out on some of the stuff they love most, lifting and strength training. So why not use a more time efficient proven way to get the cardio done that does not involve hours of cardio, but is scientifically proven to be the most effective? I don't think weight lifters avoid cardio any more than cardio enthusiasts avoid lifting, Just sayin' ! Why would they want to lift, when all they want to do is run, and visa versa? why does it have to be a problem? To each his own. Do what you love and be happy. There is no One right way to do it. One is not better than the other. It's about what gets you the results you want and what makes you happy. Or else, what is it all for anyway? Happy lifting and happy trails.
Proven more effective for what?
I don't necessarily find it more difficult. The hard effort is challenging but it is also short. I find mentally HIIT can be easier than a particularly long run at a lower but sustained effort.
All I'm gonna say is: If you feel like HIIT is easier than anything, you're doing it wrong.
HIIT should be the hardest, most intense thing you ever do, if you do it. You should feel like you're killing yourself and when you're finished, you should feel like you succeeded in doing so.
I said mentally. I can focus on getting through the short bursts and since you don't do endless intervals, it is a small number to get through which I can focus on as well.
I find it difficult but I can mentally deal with it easier.
Anyway, if HIIT was the proven best method for building cardio vascular fitness then there would be at least one elite champion in the history of the universe that trained that way. But there isn't.
HIIT originally became popular after an Olympic rowing team used it to cut 20% off their times. I'd say elite athletes do you it, just not to the extreme as the masses believe they do. Probably only one training session a week.0 -
What's more fun is playing a game of flag football with some of them and watching them gas out after a few plays.
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conversely do you make fun of an endurance athelete who comes in to lift and isn't strong enough to squat 185- or even 135?
You can't give someone a hard time for not being good at something they don't train.
That's just asinine.
One of these day's, maybe during a rest week, I'll go into the weight room here and do a few squats. I am curious now what I can do. Before I started doing triathlon I was squatting 300. Now? I am sure it would be a joke
You can come squat with me- I won't judge... then we can go to the bike room and you can watch me literally melt into a puddle of despair in a matter of 25 minutes on the bike.
Sounds fun, where do I sing up ?What's more fun is playing a game of flag football with some of them and watching them gas out after a few plays.
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conversely do you make fun of an endurance athelete who comes in to lift and isn't strong enough to squat 185- or even 135?
You can't give someone a hard time for not being good at something they don't train.
That's just asinine.
One of these day's, maybe during a rest week, I'll go into the weight room here and do a few squats. I am curious now what I can do. Before I started doing triathlon I was squatting 300. Now? I am sure it would be a joke
You can come squat with me- I won't judge... then we can go to the bike room and you can watch me literally melt into a puddle of despair in a matter of 25 minutes on the bike.
Sounds fun, where do I sign up ?
LOL- well I'm in the dirty jersey currently- so probably not any time soon- but when I visit CA- we'll throw down!!!
My only caviot is we hit the road on bikes and hit the hills for the final test
I'll the bring the life boat to navigate those deep puddles.
I would seriously die- I remember biking back in college- and I had to walk up the hell- for some reason- despite all my quad strength I have ZERO drive- its' like instant burning and murder. I'm pathetic.Jersey? Hell... my next Ironman race is in Atlantic City...
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I think the percentages referenced were HR zones.I think going 100% for 20 seconds 10 or 15 times...
That's not even physically possible. The only way to do something "10 or 15 times" in rapid succession is if you're NOT "going 100%".
The "100%" doesn't refer to the person's "this is what it feels like" level, it's about what the body is actually doing. And even the bodies of very well trained athletes don't have 100% left to give after a handful of genuinely all-out efforts.
I don't know about 10-15 times, but when I do 200 meter all-out sprints I get my HR to 100% (or "more") every time.0 -
Are you saying that the only people you see acting proud about it are only about their looks or are you saying that all lifters you see doing just weights and no cardio are only about their looks?
I don't think I proposed that well. I see people who strictly weight lift and would say cardio is useless are about lifting for lifting sake (or seem to end up that way) and that is their goal - lifting more to be bigger or look muscular and fit as their goals. It isn't a slam to anyone who just lifts.
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LiftAllThePizzas wrote: »
I think the percentages referenced were HR zones.I think going 100% for 20 seconds 10 or 15 times...
That's not even physically possible. The only way to do something "10 or 15 times" in rapid succession is if you're NOT "going 100%".
The "100%" doesn't refer to the person's "this is what it feels like" level, it's about what the body is actually doing. And even the bodies of very well trained athletes don't have 100% left to give after a handful of genuinely all-out efforts.
I don't know about 10-15 times, but when I do 200 meter all-out sprints I get my HR to 100% (or "more") every time.
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LiftAllThePizzas wrote: »
I think the percentages referenced were HR zones.I think going 100% for 20 seconds 10 or 15 times...
That's not even physically possible. The only way to do something "10 or 15 times" in rapid succession is if you're NOT "going 100%".
The "100%" doesn't refer to the person's "this is what it feels like" level, it's about what the body is actually doing. And even the bodies of very well trained athletes don't have 100% left to give after a handful of genuinely all-out efforts.
I don't know about 10-15 times, but when I do 200 meter all-out sprints I get my HR to 100% (or "more") every time.
HR isn't the right measure - it's >100% of V02 max that the "all out" needs to be hitting. The oft-cited Tabata protocol, for example, has trainees hitting >150% V02max.
The challenge with most exercisers is they don't know their actual HRmax. And HRmax isn't even constant - it can change with fitness level. From what I've seen, most un-coached people aren't getting very close to their maximum output, even though it feels like they're working their butts off.
And this is ignoring the reality that you already need to be quite fit to even think about hitting HRmax, short of being chased by a guy in a goalie mask wielding a chainsaw.
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