Is not doing cardio worn like a badge on honor for you?
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MrBiggiesworth wrote: »It seems like many weight lifters are proud of the fact that they do little or no cardio exercise? Why is this?
The only lifters I see doing this are ONLY about how they look. It is not about athletic performance or other goals, and they can achieve the results they want without cardio. Personally, it is missing the complete fitness pictures IMHO. Same as the cardio nuts out there who do not do any lifting. But to each their own.
Lifting anything would be expressly counter to my goals. I neither need, nor want, extra muscles just to "look good". I accept the fact that I am a scrawny twig, and that is fine because the less I weigh the faster I can go for longer. I stopped caring what I look like ages ago.0 -
peachyfuzzle wrote: »Personally, I really enjoy doing both. Cardio really, really sucks when it gets hard, but the elation after breaking a goal is awesome.
My personal goal will take a couple of years to complete. I want to get down to at least 180, maybe even as low as 170 if I can manage it, then do a few slow bulk/cut cycles so I can pack on some lean muscle, and get to around 15% bf at around 180 - 190 at 6'1" all while keeping up on my cardio.
I would really like to be able to complete a marathon, but be functionally strong as well. My 33rd birthday is August 1st, and I feel as though a lot of this could be accomplished by the time I'm 35.
I guess my fitness mindset mimics my personality because I'm a staunch pragmatist. I find joy, and beauty in practicality rather than form. However, if I could get some form while maximizing that practicality, I would be extraordinarily happy.
Diet and lift (heavy stuff).
Most definitely, and without question. As soon as my shoulder heals within the next couple of months, I will start up weightlifting again. I screwed it up pushing too hard on my OHP gains a few months ago, and it's finally just starting to get back to normal, so I've only had cardio at my disposal.
I figure that I should be good to go on the lifting front by June, and will resume very slowly accordingly.
Diet is already in check, and I'm already down 50lbs since November.
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MrBiggiesworth wrote: »It seems like many weight lifters are proud of the fact that they do little or no cardio exercise? Why is this?
The only lifters I see doing this are ONLY about how they look. It is not about athletic performance or other goals, and they can achieve the results they want without cardio. Personally, it is missing the complete fitness pictures IMHO. Same as the cardio nuts out there who do not do any lifting. But to each their own.
Lifting anything would be expressly counter to my goals. I neither need, nor want, extra muscles just to "look good". I accept the fact that I am a scrawny twig, and that is fine because the less I weigh the faster I can go for longer. I stopped caring what I look like ages ago.
Bradley Wiggins (Or Twiggins) is 6' 3". When he won the Tour de France, he was 118 lbs.0 -
I think it probably comes from the Bro Mentality of lifting that cardio will create the polar opposite physique to what they are trying to achieve from weight training. I think they believe that cardio will give them the physique of a Kenyan Marathon runner (which obviously it wont, just in the same way lifting will not make you Arnold). Lifters (mainly men) spend so much time worrying about making gains, preserving gains, not going catabolic, fuelling their workout etc) that the cardio is almost seen as the antithesis of lifting and should be avoided. I personally like to keep my blood pressure, cholesterol and other vitals in check with cardio and probably lift more for vanity/strength/confidence etc. Just an opinion.0
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chivalryder wrote: »MrBiggiesworth wrote: »It seems like many weight lifters are proud of the fact that they do little or no cardio exercise? Why is this?
The only lifters I see doing this are ONLY about how they look. It is not about athletic performance or other goals, and they can achieve the results they want without cardio. Personally, it is missing the complete fitness pictures IMHO. Same as the cardio nuts out there who do not do any lifting. But to each their own.
Lifting anything would be expressly counter to my goals. I neither need, nor want, extra muscles just to "look good". I accept the fact that I am a scrawny twig, and that is fine because the less I weigh the faster I can go for longer. I stopped caring what I look like ages ago.
Bradley Wiggins (Or Twiggins) is 6' 3". When he won the Tour de France, he was 118 lbs.
And 93 of those lbs were in his quads...lol.
Also, I lift...and do a lot of cardio. I like cardio so I do it. If I didn't like it, I wouldn't do nearly as much.
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chivalryder wrote: »MrBiggiesworth wrote: »It seems like many weight lifters are proud of the fact that they do little or no cardio exercise? Why is this?
The only lifters I see doing this are ONLY about how they look. It is not about athletic performance or other goals, and they can achieve the results they want without cardio. Personally, it is missing the complete fitness pictures IMHO. Same as the cardio nuts out there who do not do any lifting. But to each their own.
Lifting anything would be expressly counter to my goals. I neither need, nor want, extra muscles just to "look good". I accept the fact that I am a scrawny twig, and that is fine because the less I weigh the faster I can go for longer. I stopped caring what I look like ages ago.
Bradley Wiggins (Or Twiggins) is 6' 3". When he won the Tour de France, he was 118 lbs.
Right. He was essentially a pair of tree trunks attached to the pedals and nothing more. Those guys gain a bunch of weight in the off season - they can't stay healthy otherwise.
As a triathlete I carry a bit more muscle load as I have to be able to swim, but beyond that I don't want anything extra to haul around the race course for 10+ hours.
Chris McCormack won in Kona in 2010 claiming to weight 175lbs, but pictures of him with his top unzipped revealed he was probably closer to 150-155lbs at 6'0"0 -
What's more fun is playing a game of flag football with some of them and watching them gas out after a few plays.
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conversely do you make fun of an endurance athelete who comes in to lift and isn't strong enough to squat 185- or even 135?
You can't give someone a hard time for not being good at something they don't train.
That's just asinine.0 -
aobuchanan wrote: »High intensity interval cardio has been proven to be more effective that steady stay cardio. however it takes less time. It is more difficult. I think weight lifters are generally the type of people that spend so much time in diet and exercise that a lot of steady stay cardio would cause them to have to cut out on some of the stuff they love most, lifting and strength training. So why not use a more time efficient proven way to get the cardio done that does not involve hours of cardio, but is scientifically proven to be the most effective? I don't think weight lifters avoid cardio any more than cardio enthusiasts avoid lifting, Just sayin' ! Why would they want to lift, when all they want to do is run, and visa versa? why does it have to be a problem? To each his own. Do what you love and be happy. There is no One right way to do it. One is not better than the other. It's about what gets you the results you want and what makes you happy. Or else, what is it all for anyway? Happy lifting and happy trails.
Proven more effective for what?
I don't necessarily find it more difficult. The hard effort is challenging but it is also short. I find mentally HIIT can be easier than a particularly long run at a lower but sustained effort.0 -
Different people like different stuff and take pride in the things they do like/are good at?
No? Too simple a concept? Needs more ~Drama~?0 -
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Not sure? All I know is that I love to run. I love running because it is like meditation for me and I love being outdoors. Also, runner's high is a great thing! Not saying I hate lifting. In fact, I love lifting too. It just doesn't give me the same overall fulfillment as running does. I mean I get that there is good science out there that says lifting in a calorie deficit gives you the best fat burn to muscle loss ratio. But that's for all the bodybuilders and swimsuit models to worry about. It's just not my thing.0
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What's more fun is playing a game of flag football with some of them and watching them gas out after a few plays.
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conversely do you make fun of an endurance athelete who comes in to lift and isn't strong enough to squat 185- or even 135?
You can't give someone a hard time for not being good at something they don't train.
That's just asinine.
One of these day's, maybe during a rest week, I'll go into the weight room here and do a few squats. I am curious now what I can do. Before I started doing triathlon I was squatting 300. Now? I am sure it would be a joke 0 -
3dogsrunning wrote: »aobuchanan wrote: »High intensity interval cardio has been proven to be more effective that steady stay cardio. however it takes less time. It is more difficult. I think weight lifters are generally the type of people that spend so much time in diet and exercise that a lot of steady stay cardio would cause them to have to cut out on some of the stuff they love most, lifting and strength training. So why not use a more time efficient proven way to get the cardio done that does not involve hours of cardio, but is scientifically proven to be the most effective? I don't think weight lifters avoid cardio any more than cardio enthusiasts avoid lifting, Just sayin' ! Why would they want to lift, when all they want to do is run, and visa versa? why does it have to be a problem? To each his own. Do what you love and be happy. There is no One right way to do it. One is not better than the other. It's about what gets you the results you want and what makes you happy. Or else, what is it all for anyway? Happy lifting and happy trails.
Proven more effective for what?
I don't necessarily find it more difficult. The hard effort is challenging but it is also short. I find mentally HIIT can be easier than a particularly long run at a lower but sustained effort.
All I'm gonna say is: If you feel like HIIT is easier than anything, you're doing it wrong.
HIIT should be the hardest, most intense thing you ever do, if you do it. You should feel like you're killing yourself and when you're finished, you should feel like you succeeded in doing so.0 -
This question is not new. You may be reading more into just a statement of fact. Also, cardio is not necessarily a 'must have' for heart health.
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What's more fun is playing a game of flag football with some of them and watching them gas out after a few plays.
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conversely do you make fun of an endurance athelete who comes in to lift and isn't strong enough to squat 185- or even 135?
You can't give someone a hard time for not being good at something they don't train.
That's just asinine.
One of these day's, maybe during a rest week, I'll go into the weight room here and do a few squats. I am curious now what I can do. Before I started doing triathlon I was squatting 300. Now? I am sure it would be a joke
You can come squat with me- I won't judge... then we can go to the bike room and you can watch me literally melt into a puddle of despair in a matter of 25 minutes on the bike.0 -
MrBiggiesworth wrote: »It seems like many weight lifters are proud of the fact that they do little or no cardio exercise? Why is this?
The only lifters I see doing this are ONLY about how they look. It is not about athletic performance or other goals, and they can achieve the results they want without cardio. Personally, it is missing the complete fitness pictures IMHO. Same as the cardio nuts out there who do not do any lifting. But to each their own.
Lifting anything would be expressly counter to my goals. I neither need, nor want, extra muscles just to "look good". I accept the fact that I am a scrawny twig, and that is fine because the less I weigh the faster I can go for longer. I stopped caring what I look like ages ago.
Agreed. I have gone both routes and current focus more on cardio over any heavy lifting, and my routine is producing much better performance for sport, though I don't 'look' as fit as I did before.
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acorsaut89 wrote: »Our heart and cardio vascular system health is critical to our fitness. Some people don't really want fit...they want "don't I look good"
Do not attack me for my post. You can disagree with my opinion without reposting me and without attacking me. Thank you.
What's wrong with looking good?
What I want to know is why people are so effing hung up on people wanting to look good?
why is wanting to look good a crime?
I think what they're saying is that looking good and being fit/healthy are not always mutually exclusive and sometimes those who do heavy lifting and say I don't do cardio (proudly) are doing it because they only care about how they look, they aren't doing it for fitness.
I am not saying all people or every one who looks good isn't truly healthy/fit, it's a generalization so don't freak out about it or anything
I think people read too much into the statement.
I say I do no cardio as I do not. It's a fact and relevant to the topic when I make that statement. There is no 'tone' that would imply being proud or not.
Resistance training is about far far far more than looking good.0 -
I'm not sure that I understand. Are you telling her that she shouldn't tell other people what to do?bannedword wrote: »How about if I just disagree with your premise that it's okay to tell people what to do.
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What's more fun is playing a game of flag football with some of them and watching them gas out after a few plays.
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conversely do you make fun of an endurance athelete who comes in to lift and isn't strong enough to squat 185- or even 135?
You can't give someone a hard time for not being good at something they don't train.
That's just asinine.
One of these day's, maybe during a rest week, I'll go into the weight room here and do a few squats. I am curious now what I can do. Before I started doing triathlon I was squatting 300. Now? I am sure it would be a joke
Indeed. You cannot slouch at the strength of an endurance athlete, especially cyclists and squats.
Sprinters in the Tour de France can put out over 4000W of power in the final hundred meters of a 200 mile stage.
That's nearly 3000 lb*ft/s
Literally, they're putting out enough power to move 3000 lbs of weight 1 foot every second.
And they weigh 180 lbs or less.
If you translated that into squatting, then I wouldn't be surprised 500 or maybe even 800 lbs 1RM would be possible by these athletes.0 -
I once wore my "I do cardio" badge to the gym as a badge of honor and the big boys laughed at me. True story. 0
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I don't understand your point. I wasn't saying that any man who avoids boot camp classes, etc is concerned about looking unmanly. I simply said that there's a misguided perception that such classes are less masculine than, say, weight lifting. This, I daresay, explains why you have many times more women in such classes than men.LiftAllThePizzas wrote: »
I'm a man and I don't do or avoid exercises based on whether I think they are "manly." I wouldn't do any of the above because 1-they sound boring as hell and B-why would I want to be around other people?
This, I think, is why you see a lot more women than men in boot camp classes, Hi-Lo classes, cardio kickboxing, and the like. Men don't think that such exercises are manly enough. They are wrong.One is those who think that running, or dancing or even cycling are not "manly" enough, and it is beneath them to actually do anythign with the word "cardio" in it. They believe cardio is something for people in shiny leotards and they will look like Jane Fonda if they ever try it by accident. Kind of the exact opposite from those who think that lifting anything heavier than a 1 lb dumbbell will transofrm them automatically into Hulk Hogan.
I thought this was reasonably clear.
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What's more fun is playing a game of flag football with some of them and watching them gas out after a few plays.
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conversely do you make fun of an endurance athelete who comes in to lift and isn't strong enough to squat 185- or even 135?
You can't give someone a hard time for not being good at something they don't train.
That's just asinine.
One of these day's, maybe during a rest week, I'll go into the weight room here and do a few squats. I am curious now what I can do. Before I started doing triathlon I was squatting 300. Now? I am sure it would be a joke
You can come squat with me- I won't judge... then we can go to the bike room and you can watch me literally melt into a puddle of despair in a matter of 25 minutes on the bike.
Sounds fun, where do I sign up ?
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chivalryder wrote: »What's more fun is playing a game of flag football with some of them and watching them gas out after a few plays.
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conversely do you make fun of an endurance athelete who comes in to lift and isn't strong enough to squat 185- or even 135?
You can't give someone a hard time for not being good at something they don't train.
That's just asinine.
One of these day's, maybe during a rest week, I'll go into the weight room here and do a few squats. I am curious now what I can do. Before I started doing triathlon I was squatting 300. Now? I am sure it would be a joke
Indeed. You cannot slouch at the strength of an endurance athlete, especially cyclists and squats.
Sprinters in the Tour de France can put out over 4000W of power in the final hundred meters of a 200 mile stage.
That's nearly 3000 lb*ft/s
Literally, they're putting out enough power to move 3000 lbs of weight 1 foot every second.
And they weigh 180 lbs or less.
If you translated that into squatting, then I wouldn't be surprised 500 or maybe even 800 lbs 1RM would be possible by these athletes.
4000watts? I don't think so. Mark Cavendish reports he will throw down 1500 at the end of a tour stage when he is sprinting for the win. At 69kg that is 21.7 w/kg!
I have dropped 1060 before on an all-out race-ending sprint. But that only puts me at 15.8w/kg at max sprint effort.
But sprint efforts don't say much about cyclists. More telling is the sustained effort these guys are putting down while riding seemingly "easy". Koen de Kort put down 321w (weighted average) for 6+ hours on Sunday at Paris-Roubaix. That is 4.6 watts per kilo sustained for 6+ hours.
For comparison, I as a reasonably accomplished amateur triathlete am capable of putting down 295 watts for 20 minutes, *maybe* a little longer. At 67kg that gives me only 4.4w/kg... for 20 minutes... and I was utterly spent after that effort. Done... kaput.
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MrBiggiesworth wrote: »It seems like many weight lifters are proud of the fact that they do little or no cardio exercise? Why is this?
The only lifters I see doing this are ONLY about how they look. It is not about athletic performance or other goals, and they can achieve the results they want without cardio. Personally, it is missing the complete fitness pictures IMHO. Same as the cardio nuts out there who do not do any lifting. But to each their own.
Are you saying that the only people you see acting proud about it are only about their looks or are you saying that all lifters you see doing just weights and no cardio are only about their looks?0 -
Robert Forstemann squats a lot! Granted he is a track cyclist...but damn...0 -
What's more fun is playing a game of flag football with some of them and watching them gas out after a few plays.
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conversely do you make fun of an endurance athelete who comes in to lift and isn't strong enough to squat 185- or even 135?
You can't give someone a hard time for not being good at something they don't train.
That's just asinine.
One of these day's, maybe during a rest week, I'll go into the weight room here and do a few squats. I am curious now what I can do. Before I started doing triathlon I was squatting 300. Now? I am sure it would be a joke
You can come squat with me- I won't judge... then we can go to the bike room and you can watch me literally melt into a puddle of despair in a matter of 25 minutes on the bike.
Sounds fun, where do I sign up ?
LOL- well I'm in the dirty jersey currently- so probably not any time soon- but when I visit CA- we'll throw down!!!
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chivalryder wrote: »What's more fun is playing a game of flag football with some of them and watching them gas out after a few plays.
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conversely do you make fun of an endurance athelete who comes in to lift and isn't strong enough to squat 185- or even 135?
You can't give someone a hard time for not being good at something they don't train.
That's just asinine.
One of these day's, maybe during a rest week, I'll go into the weight room here and do a few squats. I am curious now what I can do. Before I started doing triathlon I was squatting 300. Now? I am sure it would be a joke
Indeed. You cannot slouch at the strength of an endurance athlete, especially cyclists and squats.
Sprinters in the Tour de France can put out over 4000W of power in the final hundred meters of a 200 mile stage.
That's nearly 3000 lb*ft/s
Literally, they're putting out enough power to move 3000 lbs of weight 1 foot every second.
And they weigh 180 lbs or less.
If you translated that into squatting, then I wouldn't be surprised 500 or maybe even 800 lbs 1RM would be possible by these athletes.
4000watts? I don't think so. Mark Cavendish reports he will throw down 1500 at the end of a tour stage when he is sprinting for the win. At 69kg that is 21.7 w/kg!
I have dropped 1060 before on an all-out race-ending sprint. But that only puts me at 15.8w/kg at max sprint effort.
But sprint efforts don't say much about cyclists. More telling is the sustained effort these guys are putting down while riding seemingly "easy". Koen de Kort put down 321w (weighted average) for 6+ hours on Sunday at Paris-Roubaix. That is 4.6 watts per kilo sustained for 6+ hours.
For comparison, I as a reasonably accomplished amateur triathlete am capable of putting down 295 watts for 20 minutes, *maybe* a little longer. At 67kg that gives me only 4.4w/kg... for 20 minutes... and I was utterly spent after that effort. Done... kaput.
My bad. It was an estimated guess based off of numbers I got from BMX, track, and road racing. Elite BMX riders put out 5000W leaving the starting gate, track cyclists a little less (many BMX riders turn to track), and road cyclists a bit less again (track cyclists often turn to road cyclists).
So, I felt 4000 was a good number to run with.
As for comparing it to weight lifting, which is an anerobic activity, sprinting is the only good way to compare. No weight lifter is going to be lifting for 6+ hours non-stop.
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Also, Forstemann can only put down 2300 watts or something (only used loosely in the context of this convo) lol.0
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