Carbs after lunch?
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »Ever hear of the Twinkie Diet? I am by no means advocating just eating twinkies, or pizza for that matter, but for the sole purpose of weight loss you will lose weight at a calorie deficit doing either of those things. And you know everyone's metabolism slows somewhat eating at a calorie deficit for a prolonged period, right?portugaline wrote: »no it would not work, your body will realize that haves no energy during the day...
will do what it does better, will reduce your metabolism in the effort to save more energy and spend energy slower...
Can I ask you a question? how do you know the calories you need during the day?
i would like you to explain to me... just this question..
by calculating both BMR and TDEE.
^^This. I used online calculators to estimate my calorie needs. Is it 100% accurate? No, it's an estimate. It provides a good baseline to get started from. I then subtracted 500 cals from my TDEE to create a deficit that should result in a 1lb loss per week. Now, as it turns out, I appear to be losing a little faster than that (despite eating pizza and gelato), so we could safely assume that my TDEE is actually a little higher than the estimate.
You are correct, my point was never it didn't work, it was you can manage your macros to work even better and eat more.
When i was younger i dieted in low calories, all i care was calories and numbers, the problem was that i was hungry all time, managing your diet can make it so much better.0 -
So you aren't going to answer my post to you?
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portugaline wrote: »portugaline wrote: »BMR calculates your metabolism based on age. so is not a accurate number because the metabolism can change much from person to person. also your body composition affects your metabolism...
lol wut? Basal metabolic rate for one individual, calculated for age right now, size, weight, height and activity level is not accurate? With body measurements? I don't know what kind of steroids you use, but I think they are affecting your thinking.....
once again i have been polite to everyone, don't know you from anywhere please responde polite or no need to talk.
Please scroll back to my longer post above and answer my post to you.
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portugaline wrote: »
Portugaline, some people do only eat one meal a day. If it's below their daily calorie goals, they lose weight. some of the people I know who do this are health care workers who work 12-hours or more at a stretch. They use their time off to sleep.
Some people only eat twice a day. Some people eat six times a day. It doesn't matter how many times a day you eat, if you are at or below deficit, you will lose weight.
Whether or not you will be healthy depends on macros and overall nutrient intake. Which is why I was saying earlier it's not necessary to cut carbs, as a well-rounded diet is a better idea.0 -
well i don't understand what i said agains your words, what i have been saying is that you can manage yourself to eat more.
they may need only 2000 calories and be eating 1800, ok.
but if they eat more times, if they eat the right foods, would not they be able to boost there metabolism and eat 2000 calories a day and still lose the same weight because they have a faster metabolism and can eat more?
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portugaline wrote: »
Portugaline, some people do only eat one meal a day. If it's below their daily calorie goals, they lose weight. some of the people I know who do this are health care workers who work 12-hours or more at a stretch. They use their time off to sleep.
Some people only eat twice a day. Some people eat six times a day. It doesn't matter how many times a day you eat, if you are at or below deficit, you will lose weight.
Whether or not you will be healthy depends on macros and overall nutrient intake. Which is why I was saying earlier it's not necessary to cut carbs, as a well-rounded diet is a better idea.portugaline wrote: »
Portugaline, some people do only eat one meal a day. If it's below their daily calorie goals, they lose weight. some of the people I know who do this are health care workers who work 12-hours or more at a stretch. They use their time off to sleep.
Some people only eat twice a day. Some people eat six times a day. It doesn't matter how many times a day you eat, if you are at or below deficit, you will lose weight.
Whether or not you will be healthy depends on macros and overall nutrient intake. Which is why I was saying earlier it's not necessary to cut carbs, as a well-rounded diet is a better idea.
This is true, I eat up to midnight and have lost a lot of freaking weight, explain to me where it went. I eat ice cream and candy bars and potato chips.0 -
portugaline wrote: »
Portugaline, some people do only eat one meal a day. If it's below their daily calorie goals, they lose weight. some of the people I know who do this are health care workers who work 12-hours or more at a stretch. They use their time off to sleep.
Some people only eat twice a day. Some people eat six times a day. It doesn't matter how many times a day you eat, if you are at or below deficit, you will lose weight.
Whether or not you will be healthy depends on macros and overall nutrient intake. Which is why I was saying earlier it's not necessary to cut carbs, as a well-rounded diet is a better idea.portugaline wrote: »
Portugaline, some people do only eat one meal a day. If it's below their daily calorie goals, they lose weight. some of the people I know who do this are health care workers who work 12-hours or more at a stretch. They use their time off to sleep.
Some people only eat twice a day. Some people eat six times a day. It doesn't matter how many times a day you eat, if you are at or below deficit, you will lose weight.
Whether or not you will be healthy depends on macros and overall nutrient intake. Which is why I was saying earlier it's not necessary to cut carbs, as a well-rounded diet is a better idea.
This is true, I eat up to midnight and have lost a lot of freaking weight, explain to me where it went. I eat ice cream and candy bars and potato chips.
Like i said before, you are losing weight because you are eating less than you need in term of "energy" calories. But if you add some rules to your diet you can eat a lot more and still lose weight.
Tell me every time you lose weight and you want to lose even more weight what you do? low the calories down?0 -
portugaline wrote: »well i don't understand what i said agains your words, what i have been saying is that you can manage yourself to eat more.
they may need only 2000 calories and be eating 1800, ok.
but if they eat more times, if they eat the right foods, would not they be able to boost there metabolism and eat 2000 calories a day and still lose the same weight because they have a faster metabolism and can eat more?
1 - none of this is what you have been saying previously.
2 - changing what you eat doesn't 'boost your metabolism' -you can't do that with food.
3 - eating in a calorie deficit is how a person loses weight, period. Exercise gives a small increase in the calorie deficit, but is for fitness, not for weight loss.0 -
portugaline wrote: »portugaline wrote: »
Portugaline, some people do only eat one meal a day. If it's below their daily calorie goals, they lose weight. some of the people I know who do this are health care workers who work 12-hours or more at a stretch. They use their time off to sleep.
Some people only eat twice a day. Some people eat six times a day. It doesn't matter how many times a day you eat, if you are at or below deficit, you will lose weight.
Whether or not you will be healthy depends on macros and overall nutrient intake. Which is why I was saying earlier it's not necessary to cut carbs, as a well-rounded diet is a better idea.portugaline wrote: »
Portugaline, some people do only eat one meal a day. If it's below their daily calorie goals, they lose weight. some of the people I know who do this are health care workers who work 12-hours or more at a stretch. They use their time off to sleep.
Some people only eat twice a day. Some people eat six times a day. It doesn't matter how many times a day you eat, if you are at or below deficit, you will lose weight.
Whether or not you will be healthy depends on macros and overall nutrient intake. Which is why I was saying earlier it's not necessary to cut carbs, as a well-rounded diet is a better idea.
This is true, I eat up to midnight and have lost a lot of freaking weight, explain to me where it went. I eat ice cream and candy bars and potato chips.
Like i said before, you are losing weight because you are eating less than you need in term of "energy" calories. But if you add some rules to your diet you can eat a lot more and still lose weight.
Tell me every time you lose weight and you want to lose even more weight what you do? low the calories down?
Actually I should be eating more than I am now. I've lost 30lbs in the last three months and my doctor told me to up my calories. On the other end of the scale I'm no longer ravenously hungry so I'm not going to eat anymore when my body doesn't need it. CICO works, if I eat over what it takes to maintain I will gain weight pure and simple. It does not matter what I eat. I used to be a heavy offender of meats, fruits and cheeses.0 -
portugaline wrote: »portugaline wrote: »
Portugaline, some people do only eat one meal a day. If it's below their daily calorie goals, they lose weight. some of the people I know who do this are health care workers who work 12-hours or more at a stretch. They use their time off to sleep.
Some people only eat twice a day. Some people eat six times a day. It doesn't matter how many times a day you eat, if you are at or below deficit, you will lose weight.
Whether or not you will be healthy depends on macros and overall nutrient intake. Which is why I was saying earlier it's not necessary to cut carbs, as a well-rounded diet is a better idea.portugaline wrote: »
Portugaline, some people do only eat one meal a day. If it's below their daily calorie goals, they lose weight. some of the people I know who do this are health care workers who work 12-hours or more at a stretch. They use their time off to sleep.
Some people only eat twice a day. Some people eat six times a day. It doesn't matter how many times a day you eat, if you are at or below deficit, you will lose weight.
Whether or not you will be healthy depends on macros and overall nutrient intake. Which is why I was saying earlier it's not necessary to cut carbs, as a well-rounded diet is a better idea.
This is true, I eat up to midnight and have lost a lot of freaking weight, explain to me where it went. I eat ice cream and candy bars and potato chips.
Like i said before, you are losing weight because you are eating less than you need in term of "energy" calories. But if you add some rules to your diet you can eat a lot more and still lose weight.
Tell me every time you lose weight and you want to lose even more weight what you do? low the calories down?
Yes, you increase your calorie deficit as your weight decreases, that's how it works. The smaller you are, the fewer calories your body needs to maintain itself. The BMR decreases as the body gets smaller. If a person wants to eat more calories, that person needs to add in more exercise.0 -
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portugaline wrote: »well i don't understand what i said agains your words, what i have been saying is that you can manage yourself to eat more.
they may need only 2000 calories and be eating 1800, ok.
but if they eat more times, if they eat the right foods, would not they be able to boost there metabolism and eat 2000 calories a day and still lose the same weight because they have a faster metabolism and can eat more?
1 - none of this is what you have been saying previously.
2 - changing what you eat doesn't 'boost your metabolism' -you can't do that with food.
3 - eating in a calorie deficit is how a person loses weight, period. Exercise gives a small increase in the calorie deficit, but is for fitness, not for weight loss.
1- Read all
2- even green tea can give a little boost to your metabolism
3- wrong, exercise don't creates only a increase in calorie deficit, exercise boost your metabolism! there are even some type of quick cardio workouts made to speed up your metabolism.0 -
portugaline wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Ever hear of the Twinkie Diet? I am by no means advocating just eating twinkies, or pizza for that matter, but for the sole purpose of weight loss you will lose weight at a calorie deficit doing either of those things. And you know everyone's metabolism slows somewhat eating at a calorie deficit for a prolonged period, right?portugaline wrote: »no it would not work, your body will realize that haves no energy during the day...
will do what it does better, will reduce your metabolism in the effort to save more energy and spend energy slower...
Can I ask you a question? how do you know the calories you need during the day?
i would like you to explain to me... just this question..
by calculating both BMR and TDEE.
^^This. I used online calculators to estimate my calorie needs. Is it 100% accurate? No, it's an estimate. It provides a good baseline to get started from. I then subtracted 500 cals from my TDEE to create a deficit that should result in a 1lb loss per week. Now, as it turns out, I appear to be losing a little faster than that (despite eating pizza and gelato), so we could safely assume that my TDEE is actually a little higher than the estimate.
You are correct, my point was never it didn't work, it was you can manage your macros to work even better and eat more.
When i was younger i dieted in low calories, all i care was calories and numbers, the problem was that i was hungry all time, managing your diet can make it so much better.
No. You can get a decent protein intake and combine it with strength training to preserve as much LBM as possible while you lose weight, which will help keep your metabolism from dropping further than it otherwise might if you didn't do that, but you can't eat more. If you have a medical condition that involves some level of insulin resistance, lowering your carb intake may indeed allow you to eat more (because it affects the CICO equation), but for someone who doesn't have insulin resistance it makes no difference whatsoever. I'm a prime example of this - I have PCOS, and when I'm overweight I have some IR. I took this into account when setting my macro split, because if I didn't I would lose weight at a fricking snail's pace. I've crossed that magical threshold now, and could quite happily increase my carb intake without it slowing down my weight loss. I choose not to, because I happen to like the way I'm eating, but I know that if I do decide to have a carb-heavy day or week it's not going to set me back (other than some water weight, which doesn't bother me).0 -
portugaline wrote: »portugaline wrote: »well i don't understand what i said agains your words, what i have been saying is that you can manage yourself to eat more.
they may need only 2000 calories and be eating 1800, ok.
but if they eat more times, if they eat the right foods, would not they be able to boost there metabolism and eat 2000 calories a day and still lose the same weight because they have a faster metabolism and can eat more?
1 - none of this is what you have been saying previously.
2 - changing what you eat doesn't 'boost your metabolism' -you can't do that with food.
3 - eating in a calorie deficit is how a person loses weight, period. Exercise gives a small increase in the calorie deficit, but is for fitness, not for weight loss.
1- Read all
2- even green tea can give a little boost to your metabolism
3- wrong, exercise don't creates only a increase in calorie deficit, exercise boost your metabolism! there are even some type of quick cardio workouts made to speed up your metabolism.
Only while you are exercising.0 -
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Diet is why you lose weight, exercise is for health. You cannot out run a bad diet no matter how much exercise you do.0
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portugaline wrote: »portugaline wrote: »well i don't understand what i said agains your words, what i have been saying is that you can manage yourself to eat more.
they may need only 2000 calories and be eating 1800, ok.
but if they eat more times, if they eat the right foods, would not they be able to boost there metabolism and eat 2000 calories a day and still lose the same weight because they have a faster metabolism and can eat more?
1 - none of this is what you have been saying previously.
2 - changing what you eat doesn't 'boost your metabolism' -you can't do that with food.
3 - eating in a calorie deficit is how a person loses weight, period. Exercise gives a small increase in the calorie deficit, but is for fitness, not for weight loss.
1- Read all
2- even green tea can give a little boost to your metabolism
3- wrong, exercise don't creates only a increase in calorie deficit, exercise boost your metabolism! there are even some type of quick cardio workouts made to speed up your metabolism.
Only while you are exercising.
search HIT cardio and why it boosts your metabolism over the day0 -
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portugaline wrote: »
That's far from what you've been saying.-1 -
portugaline wrote: »
So you're looking at nutrition and not weight loss then. I agree nutritionally we should aim to hit our macros but after that feel free to have a treat. As long as you stay in a deficit you will not gain weight. Now if I over consume than yes the weight is going to come back.0 -
portugaline wrote: »Exacly, if you eat to much protein even more insulin is released and some of the protein will be converted in glicose by the body, the point carbs and calories are not the enemy, is the way you eat them to make your body have the best performance possible.portugaline wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »portugaline wrote: »portugaline wrote: »Exacly, if you eat to much protein even more insulin is released and some of the protein will be converted in glicose by the body, the point carbs and calories are not the enemy, is the way you eat them to make your body have the best performance possible.
how should we eat them?
Everyone is different, i get lean as hell and almost never drop bellow 300 grams carbs per day, but i try to avoid bad fats, and my carbs are all complex carbs, fiber i have a lot, and in every meal. But i don't cut carbs at night, the right carbs make me burn more fat and fell better, i fell great on diet. the wrong carbs i get fat as hell in weeks
Wait, there are bad fats and right and wrong carbs??? Please expand.
Think of carbs like energy nothing more.
if you get carbs that get the energy to you slower you will have energy more time, fell better more time and will end up eating a lot more of volume, usually complex carbs and fiber foods have much more volume than simple sugars.
if you eat fast carbs, your body have that energy that cannot use all at that time, will save it for later in fat.portugaline wrote: »Exacly, if you eat to much protein even more insulin is released and some of the protein will be converted in glicose by the body, the point carbs and calories are not the enemy, is the way you eat them to make your body have the best performance possible.portugaline wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »portugaline wrote: »portugaline wrote: »Exacly, if you eat to much protein even more insulin is released and some of the protein will be converted in glicose by the body, the point carbs and calories are not the enemy, is the way you eat them to make your body have the best performance possible.
how should we eat them?
Everyone is different, i get lean as hell and almost never drop bellow 300 grams carbs per day, but i try to avoid bad fats, and my carbs are all complex carbs, fiber i have a lot, and in every meal. But i don't cut carbs at night, the right carbs make me burn more fat and fell better, i fell great on diet. the wrong carbs i get fat as hell in weeks
Wait, there are bad fats and right and wrong carbs??? Please expand.
Think of carbs like energy nothing more.
if you get carbs that get the energy to you slower you will have energy more time, fell better more time and will end up eating a lot more of volume, usually complex carbs and fiber foods have much more volume than simple sugars.
if you eat fast carbs, your body have that energy that cannot use all at that time, will save it for later in fat.
What do you suppose happens to that fat when you are in an overall caloric deficit?
You take that back right now.it must be a slow day on BB.com …
fat is used for energy for the body? but do you know why???? why does your body uses fat when in deficit, is because it lacks calories or something starts to get lower in the blood?? You run out of glucose, sugar...
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »portugaline wrote: »
That's far from what you've been saying.
Exactly. We've been saying that a good diet includes all the macros, including carbs, protein and fats, and you've been encouraging the no-carbs-after-lunch BS that started this whole ridiculous mess. The post I asked you to respond to said that very thing, which you chose to ignore.0 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »portugaline wrote: »
That's far from what you've been saying.
THIS IS THE 1ST THING I WROTE. I DONT SEE WHEN I SAID TO EAT JUNK, I SAID EXACLY TO OTHER THING, EAT RIGHT, FIBERS COMPLEX CARBS, GOOD FATS.. I DIDNT TALK ABOUT A SINGLE JUNK FOOD
Many people here keep just counting calories, people you don't even know for sure How many calories you burn, you can estimate but will never know.
And a calorie is not just a calorie, protein, different carbs, fat, fiber all changes the way you gain or lose weight.
1st you need to remember that fiber is counted as 4 calories, and your body cannot use most of fiber....
2nd there are hormones in our body, and the most important to "control" to lose weight is insulin..
If you eat carbs, especially sugars, you will get an alarm inside your body to produce insulin, insulin will then be present in your body for some hours and the only thing that insulin does is keeping saving all calories, can be as glycogen to the muscles or FATTTT.
Thats why most people cut down they carbs and get good results, but people remember there are complex carbs like oatmeal, that have one king of fiber that can control your insulin levels during hours, so try to go to complex carbs, and you should even lose more weight. About calories, your body needs energy to burn more energy, it means the more you can eat and stay lean, the fastest will be you metabolism and you can eat more and lose more weight.
Count your calories but always remember from where they come from..0 -
portugaline wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »portugaline wrote: »
That's far from what you've been saying.
THIS IS THE 1ST THING I WROTE. I DONT SEE WHEN I SAID TO EAT JUNK, I SAID EXACLY TO OTHER THING, EAT RIGHT, FIBERS COMPLEX CARBS, GOOD FATS.. I DIDNT TALK ABOUT A SINGLE JUNK FOOD
Many people here keep just counting calories, people you don't even know for sure How many calories you burn, you can estimate but will never know.
And a calorie is not just a calorie, protein, different carbs, fat, fiber all changes the way you gain or lose weight.
1st you need to remember that fiber is counted as 4 calories, and your body cannot use most of fiber....
2nd there are hormones in our body, and the most important to "control" to lose weight is insulin..
If you eat carbs, especially sugars, you will get an alarm inside your body to produce insulin, insulin will then be present in your body for some hours and the only thing that insulin does is keeping saving all calories, can be as glycogen to the muscles or FATTTT.
Thats why most people cut down they carbs and get good results, but people remember there are complex carbs like oatmeal, that have one king of fiber that can control your insulin levels during hours, so try to go to complex carbs, and you should even lose more weight. About calories, your body needs energy to burn more energy, it means the more you can eat and stay lean, the fastest will be you metabolism and you can eat more and lose more weight.
Count your calories but always remember from where they come from..
For weight loss it does not matter where they come from. For health they do. I don't need to become a *clean eater* to lose weight and be healthy.0 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »portugaline wrote: »
That's far from what you've been saying.
Exactly. We've been saying that a good diet includes all the macros, including carbs, protein and fats, and you've been encouraging the no-carbs-after-lunch BS that started this whole ridiculous mess. The post I asked you to respond to said that very thing, which you chose to ignore.
LOLLOPLOLOLOL
WHEN DO I SAID TO EAT NO CABS WHEN????
I TOLD EXACTLY THE OTHER WAY, EAT MORE COMPLEX CARBS LESS JUNK.....
I ANSWERED EVERYTHING YOU ASKED, YOU DIDNT0 -
You do know that all caps is yelling, right? That's extremely rude. Calm down.0
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portugaline wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »portugaline wrote: »
That's far from what you've been saying.
THIS IS THE 1ST THING I WROTE. I DONT SEE WHEN I SAID TO EAT JUNK, I SAID EXACLY TO OTHER THING, EAT RIGHT, FIBERS COMPLEX CARBS, GOOD FATS.. I DIDNT TALK ABOUT A SINGLE JUNK FOOD
Many people here keep just counting calories, people you don't even know for sure How many calories you burn, you can estimate but will never know.
And a calorie is not just a calorie, protein, different carbs, fat, fiber all changes the way you gain or lose weight.
1st you need to remember that fiber is counted as 4 calories, and your body cannot use most of fiber....
2nd there are hormones in our body, and the most important to "control" to lose weight is insulin..
If you eat carbs, especially sugars, you will get an alarm inside your body to produce insulin, insulin will then be present in your body for some hours and the only thing that insulin does is keeping saving all calories, can be as glycogen to the muscles or FATTTT.
Thats why most people cut down they carbs and get good results, but people remember there are complex carbs like oatmeal, that have one king of fiber that can control your insulin levels during hours, so try to go to complex carbs, and you should even lose more weight. About calories, your body needs energy to burn more energy, it means the more you can eat and stay lean, the fastest will be you metabolism and you can eat more and lose more weight.
Count your calories but always remember from where they come from..
For weight loss it does not matter where they come from. For health they do. I don't need to become a *clean eater* to lose weight and be healthy.
no you don't need, where i said you are wrong, what i said is that you can make even better your weight loss0 -
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