Recomposition: Maintaining weight while losing fat
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LiftingRiot wrote: »Lol yeah. I do feel different since i started it. Ill post before and after when im done. My stance is that its only 30 days. I can live with that.
My advice - and if you want to do a keto diet (which is pointless and often detrimental to goals if short term and not necessary or often beneficial in the long term), swap 100g of that protein for 50g fats.0 -
Just read the article. If that is the plan he is following then he is doing it wrong anyway. It says as you decrease carbs you are supposed to increase fats. That said, if you are in a deficit and eating adequate protein (0.6 - 0.8 per pound bodyweight) and lifting, you will burn fat and retain muscle.LiftingRiot wrote: »I already am in a deficit. http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/30-days-out-craig-capursos-extreme-cut-trainer-nutrition.html
That is the diet i am doing. Its really a cut
That is a terrible plan imo. I put my stats in - has me at 245g protein - totally unnecessary. The fats are horribly low (low fat = low test, low test = less ability to build muscle btw). Carbs are horribly low - and with such low fats, it is a bad idea imo.
Short term..meh....long term...terrible.
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Not quite 9000 years ago, but if you look up how the idea was developed you'd laugh. A psychologist ranked people's looks by how they made him feel. It was attempts to use someone's build as a way to tell what their personality would be like without talking to them. Turned out there was no actual science behind it and his guesses about personality were wrong more often than not.0 -
Ive actually been following the plan as its written.0
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Over 9000 is a Dragon Ball Z meme.
Not quite 9000 years ago, but if you look up how the idea was developed you'd laugh. A psychologist ranked people's looks by how they made him feel. It was attempts to use someone's build as a way to tell what their personality would be like without talking to them. Turned out there was no actual science behind it and his guesses about personality were wrong more often than not.
Yeah, I apparently endomorphs sit around talking to each other about food, and are jolly like Santa clause. Ectomorphs don't eat because they're inside reading and being intellectuals. Mesomorphs are popular with everyone.0 -
Just read the article. If that is the plan he is following then he is doing it wrong anyway. It says as you decrease carbs you are supposed to increase fats. That said, if you are in a deficit and eating adequate protein (0.6 - 0.8 per pound bodyweight) and lifting, you will burn fat and retain muscle.LiftingRiot wrote: »I already am in a deficit. http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/30-days-out-craig-capursos-extreme-cut-trainer-nutrition.html
That is the diet i am doing. Its really a cut
That is a terrible plan imo. I put my stats in - has me at 245g protein - totally unnecessary. The fats are horribly low (low fat = low test, low test = less ability to build muscle btw). Carbs are horribly low - and with such low fats, it is a bad idea imo.
Short term..meh....long term...terrible.
The article says that - but when I put my stats in (and picked my somatoLOLtype) it gave me a range of fats between 4g and 44g per day - averaging at about 20g. So there is a varying range - its just a very low range.1 -
There was a somatype option for awesome? I'm not sure how I use this thing.
Just read the article. If that is the plan he is following then he is doing it wrong anyway. It says as you decrease carbs you are supposed to increase fats. That said, if you are in a deficit and eating adequate protein (0.6 - 0.8 per pound bodyweight) and lifting, you will burn fat and retain muscle.LiftingRiot wrote: »I already am in a deficit. http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/30-days-out-craig-capursos-extreme-cut-trainer-nutrition.html
That is the diet i am doing. Its really a cut
That is a terrible plan imo. I put my stats in - has me at 245g protein - totally unnecessary. The fats are horribly low (low fat = low test, low test = less ability to build muscle btw). Carbs are horribly low - and with such low fats, it is a bad idea imo.
Short term..meh....long term...terrible.
The article says that - but when I put my stats in (and picked my somatoLOLtype) it gave me a range of fats between 4g and 44g per day - averaging at about 20g. So there is a varying range - its just a very low range.0 -
Just read the article. If that is the plan he is following then he is doing it wrong anyway. It says as you decrease carbs you are supposed to increase fats. That said, if you are in a deficit and eating adequate protein (0.6 - 0.8 per pound bodyweight) and lifting, you will burn fat and retain muscle.LiftingRiot wrote: »I already am in a deficit. http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/30-days-out-craig-capursos-extreme-cut-trainer-nutrition.html
That is the diet i am doing. Its really a cut
That is a terrible plan imo. I put my stats in - has me at 245g protein - totally unnecessary. The fats are horribly low (low fat = low test, low test = less ability to build muscle btw). Carbs are horribly low - and with such low fats, it is a bad idea imo.
Short term..meh....long term...terrible.
The article says that - but when I put my stats in (and picked my somatoLOLtype) it gave me a range of fats between 4g and 44g per day - averaging at about 20g. So there is a varying range - its just a very low range.
I ran my stats too. 300g of protein (aint nobody got money fo' dat) and fats dipped as low as 5g per day which is only possible if you like eating bland food.0 -
lol. I didnt say i enjoy this by any means. I dont eat for pleasure anymore. It is on the ridiculous side, but ill do it and move on. My gym performance is still good and my strength is still where it was. It is expensive which sucks. Ive already seen improvement in my stomach so ill see where it takes me.0
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LiftingRiot wrote: »lol. I didnt say i enjoy this by any means. I dont eat for pleasure anymore. It is on the ridiculous side, but ill do it and move on. My gym performance is still good and my strength is still where it was. It is expensive which sucks. Ive already seen improvement in my stomach so ill see where it takes me.
Even when prepping for my bodybuilding competition I ate for pleasure. I don't believe in torturing myself for results, even short term.5 -
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I *kitten* love eating
it's great3 -
asflatasapancake wrote: »It's expensive, you don't enjoy it, you agree that it is on the ridiculous side, but you're doing it anyway? Best of luck to you, my friend.
I can't fathom this either. Why in the world would someone want to do something that provides absolutely no benefit over a better, balanced diet when they know it's ridiculous even if it's only for 30 days?
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First comment following article was about eating back exercise calories, and followup response said why, it's accounted for your workout already and your daily life.
Didn't sound right - looked again - only accounts for daily life, not your workouts at all.
Mine had me right about sedentary maintenance level eating, so exercise creates the deficit.
I was hoping to never find out my body type, bummer I broke my record and read their article on that to see.
I wonder how useless that will be.0 -
First comment following article was about eating back exercise calories, and followup response said why, it's accounted for your workout already and your daily life.
Didn't sound right - looked again - only accounts for daily life, not your workouts at all.
Mine had me right about sedentary maintenance level eating, so exercise creates the deficit.
I was hoping to never find out my body type, bummer I broke my record and read their article on that to see.
I wonder how useless that will be.
Are you talking about what others here have suggested or that Bodybuilding.com article?
If you use the TDEE method on MFP you don't log exercise because TDEE includes exercise. If you use MFP's method you eat back your exercise calories.
I'm not really sure what you are talking about.0 -
First comment following article was about eating back exercise calories, and followup response said why, it's accounted for your workout already and your daily life.
Didn't sound right - looked again - only accounts for daily life, not your workouts at all.
Mine had me right about sedentary maintenance level eating, so exercise creates the deficit.
I was hoping to never find out my body type, bummer I broke my record and read their article on that to see.
I wonder how useless that will be.
Are you talking about what others here have suggested or that Bodybuilding.com article?
If you use the TDEE method on MFP you don't log exercise because TDEE includes exercise. If you use MFP's method you eat back your exercise calories.
I'm not really sure what you are talking about.
I think he's talking about the body building link. It's something I noticed too, it doesn't account for exercise at all, just your job. Apparently bb.com readers aren't expected to work out (or something).0 -
asflatasapancake wrote: »It's expensive, you don't enjoy it, you agree that it is on the ridiculous side, but you're doing it anyway? Best of luck to you, my friend.
I can't fathom this either. Why in the world would someone want to do something that provides absolutely no benefit over a better, balanced diet when they know it's ridiculous even if it's only for 30 days?
cuz Craig Capurso0 -
First comment following article was about eating back exercise calories, and followup response said why, it's accounted for your workout already and your daily life.
Didn't sound right - looked again - only accounts for daily life, not your workouts at all.
Mine had me right about sedentary maintenance level eating, so exercise creates the deficit.
I was hoping to never find out my body type, bummer I broke my record and read their article on that to see.
I wonder how useless that will be.
Are you talking about what others here have suggested or that Bodybuilding.com article?
If you use the TDEE method on MFP you don't log exercise because TDEE includes exercise. If you use MFP's method you eat back your exercise calories.
I'm not really sure what you are talking about.
I think he's talking about the body building link. It's something I noticed too, it doesn't account for exercise at all, just your job. Apparently bb.com readers aren't expected to work out (or something).
Ah. The funny part about the nutrition calculator is that it is part of a training plan. They know people will be exercising (they wrote the workout plan, which is not a light and easy one), but the goal of not counting the exercise is to create a larger deficit.0 -
First comment following article was about eating back exercise calories, and followup response said why, it's accounted for your workout already and your daily life.
Didn't sound right - looked again - only accounts for daily life, not your workouts at all.
Mine had me right about sedentary maintenance level eating, so exercise creates the deficit.
I was hoping to never find out my body type, bummer I broke my record and read their article on that to see.
I wonder how useless that will be.
Are you talking about what others here have suggested or that Bodybuilding.com article?
If you use the TDEE method on MFP you don't log exercise because TDEE includes exercise. If you use MFP's method you eat back your exercise calories.
I'm not really sure what you are talking about.
I think he's talking about the body building link. It's something I noticed too, it doesn't account for exercise at all, just your job. Apparently bb.com readers aren't expected to work out (or something).
Maybe it is a plan for the Miscers?1 -
First comment following article was about eating back exercise calories, and followup response said why, it's accounted for your workout already and your daily life.
Didn't sound right - looked again - only accounts for daily life, not your workouts at all.
Mine had me right about sedentary maintenance level eating, so exercise creates the deficit.
I was hoping to never find out my body type, bummer I broke my record and read their article on that to see.
I wonder how useless that will be.
Are you talking about what others here have suggested or that Bodybuilding.com article?
If you use the TDEE method on MFP you don't log exercise because TDEE includes exercise. If you use MFP's method you eat back your exercise calories.
I'm not really sure what you are talking about.
I think he's talking about the body building link. It's something I noticed too, it doesn't account for exercise at all, just your job. Apparently bb.com readers aren't expected to work out (or something).
Ah. The funny part about the nutrition calculator is that it is part of a training plan. They know people will be exercising (they wrote the workout plan, which is not a light and easy one), but the goal of not counting the exercise is to create a larger deficit.
Just looked at the calories if I were to follow it..starts at less 1,478 and ends at 1,178 - LOLNO!!!0 -
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Definitely. Is his jaw routine included in there?asflatasapancake wrote: »It has me at 2465 then down to 2165. I do want to be the dude in the picture though. He looks pretty cool.
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First comment following article was about eating back exercise calories, and followup response said why, it's accounted for your workout already and your daily life.
Didn't sound right - looked again - only accounts for daily life, not your workouts at all.
Mine had me right about sedentary maintenance level eating, so exercise creates the deficit.
I was hoping to never find out my body type, bummer I broke my record and read their article on that to see.
I wonder how useless that will be.
Are you talking about what others here have suggested or that Bodybuilding.com article?
If you use the TDEE method on MFP you don't log exercise because TDEE includes exercise. If you use MFP's method you eat back your exercise calories.
I'm not really sure what you are talking about.
I think he's talking about the body building link. It's something I noticed too, it doesn't account for exercise at all, just your job. Apparently bb.com readers aren't expected to work out (or something).
Maybe it is a plan for the Miscers?
LOF'ingL
BTW - why are we (I use the term "we" loosely) discussing a cut in the recomp thread - and in the maintaining weight section?
Also, I just put my stats into the calculator - for the lulz - 2194 Cals, 282 g protein (GTFO), 24 g fat (GTFO), 213 g carb to start, ending up at 1894 Cals (lolwut?), 282 g protein (seriously, GTFO), 17 g fat (no - F off), and 153 g carb.
Yeah - I don't f'ing think so.0 -
First comment following article was about eating back exercise calories, and followup response said why, it's accounted for your workout already and your daily life.
Didn't sound right - looked again - only accounts for daily life, not your workouts at all.
Mine had me right about sedentary maintenance level eating, so exercise creates the deficit.
I was hoping to never find out my body type, bummer I broke my record and read their article on that to see.
I wonder how useless that will be.
Are you talking about what others here have suggested or that Bodybuilding.com article?
If you use the TDEE method on MFP you don't log exercise because TDEE includes exercise. If you use MFP's method you eat back your exercise calories.
I'm not really sure what you are talking about.
I think he's talking about the body building link. It's something I noticed too, it doesn't account for exercise at all, just your job. Apparently bb.com readers aren't expected to work out (or something).
Maybe it is a plan for the Miscers?
LOF'ingL
BTW - why are we (I use the term "we" loosely) discussing a cut in the recomp thread?
I wondered that back when he said he was in a deficit. I kept talking to help him see that a balanced plan will give him the same results. It's still not recomp.0 -
So full circle around from that distraction.
Even programs like that, if eaten truly at maintenance level - are exaggerated in same way for what is required for good recomp - as experienced by the page 14 list of successful folks and their programs.0 -
I was under the impression that a recomp was either eating at maintenance or just slightly below (a deficit)? Is that not the case?0
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I was under the impression that a recomp was either eating at maintenance or just slightly below (a deficit)? Is that not the case?
That's what's been described, but the bb.com program is a cut for 30 days prior to a show, and it's pretty extreme considering it's at a deficit, plus it doesn't account for exercise calories, and the calories get lower towards the end of the program.
But, I think it was brought up because he was going to do a 1 month cut, than transition to recomp.0 -
First comment following article was about eating back exercise calories, and followup response said why, it's accounted for your workout already and your daily life.
Didn't sound right - looked again - only accounts for daily life, not your workouts at all.
Mine had me right about sedentary maintenance level eating, so exercise creates the deficit.
I was hoping to never find out my body type, bummer I broke my record and read their article on that to see.
I wonder how useless that will be.
Are you talking about what others here have suggested or that Bodybuilding.com article?
If you use the TDEE method on MFP you don't log exercise because TDEE includes exercise. If you use MFP's method you eat back your exercise calories.
I'm not really sure what you are talking about.
I think he's talking about the body building link. It's something I noticed too, it doesn't account for exercise at all, just your job. Apparently bb.com readers aren't expected to work out (or something).
Maybe it is a plan for the Miscers?
LOF'ingL
BTW - why are we (I use the term "we" loosely) discussing a cut in the recomp thread - and in the maintaining weight section?
Also, I just put my stats into the calculator - for the lulz - 2194 Cals, 282 g protein (GTFO), 24 g fat (GTFO), 213 g carb to start, ending up at 1894 Cals (lolwut?), 282 g protein (seriously, GTFO), 17 g fat (no - F off), and 153 g carb.
Yeah - I don't f'ing think so.
I like this quote from there:
"Starting the month with a big hit to your calories will be difficult at first, but if you eat enough protein and eat fairly frequently, you shouldn't ever feel hungry."
Dafuq!! Not hungry??? Brb eating 1200 cals 6 x a day....mmmmmm...dat's gonna keep me full.0 -
First off, the idea is too eat and train to reduce fat while maintain muscle. Im sorry that i brought it up in here because i didnt realize it would offend all the experts in here. I thought this was sight of encouragement but i guess not. Like i said, ive been doing it a couple weeks now and see good results while maintaining my strength. As i am someone that finds it hard to maintain weight, i have even roughly kept the same weight. And it is extreme like it says and it also says its not for everyone. I am willing to try it because i truly believe i can accomplish anything even though everyone here would rather mock than encourage.0
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I was under the impression that a recomp was either eating at maintenance or just slightly below (a deficit)? Is that not the case?
That's what's been described, but the bb.com program is a cut for 30 days prior to a show, and it's pretty extreme considering it's at a deficit, plus it doesn't account for exercise calories, and the calories get lower towards the end of the program.
But, I think it was brought up because he was going to do a 1 month cut, than transition to recomp.
Now I'm tracking....thanks for the summary.
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