Question about ketosis... does it really help you burn fat faster than CICO?
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I have a friend who insists that she will burn more fat if she goes into ketosis vs. just eating at a deficit.
Is this true? It's not something I want to do, I like my carbs too much, but I'm not sure I believe her and I don't want to encourage her to do something that won't work.
Is this true? It's not something I want to do, I like my carbs too much, but I'm not sure I believe her and I don't want to encourage her to do something that won't work.
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I suggest you do some research on the Ketogenic lifestyle before deciding if your friend is right or wrong. Reddit.com is a good place to start and has some great before and afters.0
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This is a divisive topic, but I'll try to answer it according to my understanding of the science behind it all. Yes, you burn a larger amount of fat while eating on a keto plan. And keto eaters assert that. The problem with that assertion is that a great amount of that fat burning isn't BODY fat, it's the fat you're consuming.
Your body will burn nutrients that you eat to use for available energy. Usually, it likes carbohydrates for this. When you're eating a ketogenic diet, the bulk of your calories come from fat.
All fat loss comes from creating a calorie deficit. Some faster drops in weight are seen initially due to a drop in glycogen stores when eating keto. This isn't body fat, though.
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Yes thank you. I keep trying to explain to her that it's all about CICO - that if she eats at a deficit consistently she will drop the weight. She keeps insisting she will burn all her excess fat faster if she stays in ketosis.
If you are in ketosis and at the same calorie deficit as you would just doing CICO - would you burn off fat faster?0 -
Suggest she do an experiment: eat 3000 keto-friendly calories each day for two weeks, and see how much weight loss she achieves. If she's right, she should still lose weight.
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Yes thank you. I keep trying to explain to her that it's all about CICO - that if she eats at a deficit consistently she will drop the weight. She keeps insisting she will burn all her excess fat faster if she stays in ketosis.
If you are in ketosis and at the same calorie deficit as you would just doing CICO - would you burn off fat faster?
She might lose WEIGHT faster (the whole glycogen thing), but there comes a point where it would even out. Let her believe what she wants, though. If she's watching her calories, she'll lose body fat. If she's not, she'll figure things out on her own.
Besides, to me or anyone like me who cares about the long game of KEEPING it off, it's not about how fast it's lost. I don't think of dieting as something I "do" to be done with. Weight management will be a rest of my life thing. Maintenance will just be a continuation of what I'm doing now with slightly altered goals. "Faster" isn't a factor in my thinking. To that end, the type of food I eat? Well, I like it to based on my preferences and include all the foods I enjoy.
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Yeah, unfortunately she is impatient and isn't thinking long term. She wants to lose weight for a special occasion, which is now unattainable - she wants to lose over 80 pounds before November. Well, I guess she could, but it'd be incredibly difficult. She tells me she just has to do this until the wedding, then she can enjoy her favorite foods again.
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Yeah, unfortunately she is impatient and isn't thinking long term. She wants to lose weight for a special occasion, which is now unattainable - she wants to lose over 80 pounds before November. Well, I guess she could, but it'd be incredibly difficult. She tells me she just has to do this until the wedding, then she can enjoy her favorite foods again.
Hahahahahaha. Well, guess what will happen after the wedding?
I'd save my breath if I were you.
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The magic of ketosis is reduced hunger (it depresses levels of ghrelin, among other things). So people tend to lose more weight with less effort.
There are other interesting benefits too. It's worth exploring to see if it's for you. Best book: Art and Science of Low Carb by Phinney and Volek.0 -
no it doesn't, fat loss is determined entirely by the caloric deficit (assuming adequate protein and fat intake), your friend lost a bunch of water weight along with fat and thinks it as all fat, she is wrong.0
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BILLBRYTAN wrote: »
This is totally false. Fat loss comes from physical movement and eating more real food. Obesity comes from driving cars and sitting in front of a television and then blaming it on food. The secret to fat loss is to move more and eat more food but stop eating garbage.PeachyCarol wrote: »This is a divisive topic, but I'll try to answer it according to my understanding of the science behind it all. Yes, you burn a larger amount of fat while eating on a keto plan. And keto eaters assert that. The problem with that assertion is that a great amount of that fat burning isn't BODY fat, it's the fat you're consuming.
All fat loss comes from creating a calorie deficit.
I hope this helps.
That's not true. I lost the majority of my weight doing no exercise and was on a keto plan. And I have never in my life eaten "garbage".
To the OP - I suspect I would have lost the same amount of weight on a non-keto plan since all you really need is a calorie deficit, but keto was great for controlling my appetite and made it easier for me to stick to my diet.0 -
BILLBRYTAN wrote: »
This is totally false. Fat loss comes from physical movement and eating more real food. Obesity comes from driving cars and sitting in front of a television and then blaming it on food. The secret to fat loss is to move more and eat more food but stop eating garbage.PeachyCarol wrote: »This is a divisive topic, but I'll try to answer it according to my understanding of the science behind it all. Yes, you burn a larger amount of fat while eating on a keto plan. And keto eaters assert that. The problem with that assertion is that a great amount of that fat burning isn't BODY fat, it's the fat you're consuming.
All fat loss comes from creating a calorie deficit.
I hope this helps.
Nice chop job on my quote there.
You're wrong. You're basing what you're saying on Taubes's hypothesis, which hasn't even been tested. The proposed NuSI study hasn't even happened yet.
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BILLBRYTAN wrote: »
This is totally false. Fat loss comes from physical movement and eating more real food. Obesity comes from driving cars and sitting in front of a television and then blaming it on food. The secret to fat loss is to move more and eat more food but stop eating garbage.PeachyCarol wrote: »This is a divisive topic, but I'll try to answer it according to my understanding of the science behind it all. Yes, you burn a larger amount of fat while eating on a keto plan. And keto eaters assert that. The problem with that assertion is that a great amount of that fat burning isn't BODY fat, it's the fat you're consuming.
All fat loss comes from creating a calorie deficit.
I hope this helps.
This is the wrongest thing I've seen all day. And I've been in the Master Cleanser thread.0 -
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Heh. This thread was about ketosis for about 5 minutes. Now it's about a new theory called "move more, eat more?"
I guess if you move WAY more and eat a LITTLE more, that could actually work. 0 -
BILLBRYTAN wrote: »
This is totally false. Fat loss comes from physical movement and eating more real food. Obesity comes from driving cars and sitting in front of a television and then blaming it on food. The secret to fat loss is to move more and eat more food but stop eating garbage.PeachyCarol wrote: »This is a divisive topic, but I'll try to answer it according to my understanding of the science behind it all. Yes, you burn a larger amount of fat while eating on a keto plan. And keto eaters assert that. The problem with that assertion is that a great amount of that fat burning isn't BODY fat, it's the fat you're consuming.
All fat loss comes from creating a calorie deficit.
I hope this helps.
You could not be more wrong. You could try... but you would not be successful.0 -
I have a friend who insists that she will burn more fat if she goes into ketosis vs. just eating at a deficit.
Is this true? It's not something I want to do, I like my carbs too much, but I'm not sure I believe her and I don't want to encourage her to do something that won't work.
No.0 -
ketogenic diets do make you lose weight a bit faster, however, overtime, ALL weight loss methods/diets (eg. low fat, atkins, etc) kind of even out. One may INITIALLY make you lose weight quickly, but after a long period of time, it all kind of makes you lose the same amount of weight. The best diet for you to go on is one that YOU find to be most manageable. Your friend may be losing weight and "burning fat" for now, but if it isn't manageable for her, she won't be able to maintain that weightloss.
I know this because I've read research papers and have studied this topic exactly.0 -
What happens if you eat garbage that doesn't have any carbs in it?0
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BILLBRYTAN wrote: »
This is totally false. Fat loss comes from physical movement and eating more real food. Obesity comes from driving cars and sitting in front of a television and then blaming it on food. The secret to fat loss is to move more and eat more food but stop eating garbage.PeachyCarol wrote: »This is a divisive topic, but I'll try to answer it according to my understanding of the science behind it all. Yes, you burn a larger amount of fat while eating on a keto plan. And keto eaters assert that. The problem with that assertion is that a great amount of that fat burning isn't BODY fat, it's the fat you're consuming.
All fat loss comes from creating a calorie deficit.
I hope this helps.
BAHAHAHAHA! no. Fat loss comes from eating fewer calories than you are consuming. Ask me how I (and myriad others on this site) know.0 -
No, it's not true.
What is true is that *some* people find it easier to stay in a consistent deficit eating that way - and that, of course, matters.0 -
BILLBRYTAN wrote: »
This is totally false. Fat loss comes from physical movement and eating more real food. Obesity comes from driving cars and sitting in front of a television and then blaming it on food. The secret to fat loss is to move more and eat more food but stop eating garbage.PeachyCarol wrote: »This is a divisive topic, but I'll try to answer it according to my understanding of the science behind it all. Yes, you burn a larger amount of fat while eating on a keto plan. And keto eaters assert that. The problem with that assertion is that a great amount of that fat burning isn't BODY fat, it's the fat you're consuming.
All fat loss comes from creating a calorie deficit.
I hope this helps.
Nope. If you ate more food to lose weight, there would be no fat people in the world.
Exercise also has nothing to do with weight loss either. You can lose weight just fine without exercise.
The truth is eat less, move more.
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There have been studies on why diets like Atkins work for some people. What they have found is that it has almost nothing to do with Ketosis. What is happening in the majority of people is that they are actually eating fewer calories because it takes longer to process meat and fat than carbs so they are full longer.
I suggest a balanced approach and if you are having difficulty with feeling full focus on getting most of your calories from protein and fiber rich items. Some of the best foods are mostly carb (veggies) and those should be part of any diet. What does not need to be in your diet are the high carb items that have limited nutritional value and cause sugar crash (cakes, candies, icecream), these are treats and they should be treated as such. They should be saved for special occasions or consumed in very limited quantities. Now some people will claim they eat a 400 calorie candy bar every day on their 1200 calorie diet but that is 1/3 of your days allotment for something that will not help you feel fuller or be healthier so even though you can do it, no one should advise you to.0 -
I have a friend who insists that she will burn more fat if she goes into ketosis vs. just eating at a deficit.
Is this true? It's not something I want to do, I like my carbs too much, but I'm not sure I believe her and I don't want to encourage her to do something that won't work.
zdyb while you have a knowledgeable friend about some of the features of living in a state of ketosis I agree with the thought of another that you may want to read up on ketosis from those been at it for 5+ years nonstop with actual experience.
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BILLBRYTAN wrote: »
This is totally false. Fat loss comes from physical movement and eating more real food. Obesity comes from driving cars and sitting in front of a television and then blaming it on food. The secret to fat loss is to move more and eat more food but stop eating garbage.PeachyCarol wrote: »This is a divisive topic, but I'll try to answer it according to my understanding of the science behind it all. Yes, you burn a larger amount of fat while eating on a keto plan. And keto eaters assert that. The problem with that assertion is that a great amount of that fat burning isn't BODY fat, it's the fat you're consuming.
All fat loss comes from creating a calorie deficit.
I hope this helps.
Making up stuff. People are getting tired of it.0 -
I've been thinking about why people continue to respond to trolls on here?
And I think it might be because the whole weight loss 'industry' is so very full of woo that we continue to worry that people will actually believe the most fallacious of statements ..like that one up there
And the sad thing is it's true ...people will believe anything for the holy grail of a slimmer more attractive and fitter body
Personally I'm thankful that when I started using the forums there were a bunch of people who continually reinforced the "it doesn't matter what you do just eat fewer calories than you burn" and backed it up with science (most of which I couldn't follow as science is not my background, but I have a basic intelligence so I did my best).
I miss that vibe ... It was what helped
And trolls will keep on trolling, maybe they should bring back the block poster feature0
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