It's official, I've lost my mind!
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btw the thing what made me doubt a bit is the fact would a bulimia patient ask him/herself to workout or not?
So that was what throws me off a bit.0 -
PrizePopple wrote: »http://www.eatingdisordersonline.com/explain/anorathletica.phpSymptoms of anorexia may be denied
Symptoms of Anorexia Athletica may include over-exercising, obsession with calories, fat, and weight, especially as compared to elite athletes, self-worth being determined by physical performance, and a lack of pleasure from exercising. Advanced cases of Anorexia Athletica may result in physical, psychological, and social consequences as sufferers deny that their excessive exercising patterns are a problem.
People with Anorexia Athletica may have anxiety and feel out of control in their life but that they can control their body and their weight. However, they will often feel guilty if they miss a workout, or don't exercise "enough," and therefore are out of control and at the mercy of this compulsory activity.
Please seek professional help because what you are doing to yourself is not healthy. End of story.
Oh well hell, this is totally me. Only I don't lack pleasure from exercising in fact exercising/competing/training is just pure joy! I don't think obsessing with training, nutrition, calories, etc. is a problem. I don't push or force my ways or my agenda on anyone and I keep things in check. My life is wonderful, and in control as much as ones life can be
I do feel guilty sometimes when I miss a work out but it has nothing to do with the actual exercise but more of a feeling of letting my MMA community down a bit when I skip out. Dance studio and MMA communities are like family. I do sometimes feel like I don't exercise enough... meaning, I could go on and on and sometimes wonder how far I could push myself. Elite athletes? hell yes, they get elite status by pushing themselves to their limits. 0 -
azulvioleta6 wrote: »I am seeing days when you got 130 minutes of exercise, 96, 70, 140. Those are not a ridiculous amounts of exercise--that's just an active person.
Assuming you are a healthy person with a normal metabolism, you do need to be eating more though.
Yup and thank you.0 -
I've been to that Brazillian place before! So good... although since I'm not a big meat eater I hung out at the veggie "bar". But that place is so yummy!0
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cushman5279 wrote: »PrizePopple wrote: »http://www.eatingdisordersonline.com/explain/anorathletica.phpSymptoms of anorexia may be denied
Symptoms of Anorexia Athletica may include over-exercising, obsession with calories, fat, and weight, especially as compared to elite athletes, self-worth being determined by physical performance, and a lack of pleasure from exercising. Advanced cases of Anorexia Athletica may result in physical, psychological, and social consequences as sufferers deny that their excessive exercising patterns are a problem.
People with Anorexia Athletica may have anxiety and feel out of control in their life but that they can control their body and their weight. However, they will often feel guilty if they miss a workout, or don't exercise "enough," and therefore are out of control and at the mercy of this compulsory activity.
Please seek professional help because what you are doing to yourself is not healthy. End of story.
Oh well hell, this is totally me. Only I don't lack pleasure from exercising in fact exercising/competing/training is just pure joy! I don't think obsessing with training, nutrition, calories, etc. is a problem. I don't push or force my ways or my agenda on anyone and I keep things in check. My life is wonderful, and in control as much as ones life can be I do feel guilty sometimes when I miss a work out but it has nothing to do with the actual exercise but more of a feeling of letting my MMA community down a bit when I skip out. Dance studio and MMA communities are like family. I do sometimes feel like I don't exercise enough... meaning, I could go on and on and sometimes wonder how far I could push myself. Elite athletes? hell yes, they get elite status by pushing themselves to their limits.
Elite athletes also eat properly to fuel their bodies, which you are not doing.0 -
I would meditate or listen to some guided meditation to erase your current programming. It's hard enough other people drag us down don't do the work for them. :-)0
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cushman5279 wrote: »I do feel guilty sometimes when I miss a work out but it has nothing to do with the actual exercise but more of a feeling of letting my MMA community down a bit when I skip out. Dance studio and MMA communities are like family. I do sometimes feel like I don't exercise enough... meaning, I could go on and on and sometimes wonder how far I could push myself. Elite athletes? hell yes, they get elite status by pushing themselves to their limits.
It is totally ok to love the exercise and the sense of family. I don't like it when I can't get to the gym. It is also okay to push yourself physically if you have a goal (and are not injuring yourself). However, athletes at most levels understand that they need to take care of their bodies and feed their bodies in order to achieve their goals. I love watching MMA and do kickboxing myself. If I have one criticism of MMA it is the weight classes and the cutting of water weight before fights. It makes me ill to see a fighter hooked up to an IV immediately after a fight, or worse having seizures, just so they can fit into a weight class (that isn't good for the body).0 -
I believe you have an eating disorder0
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cushman5279 wrote: »PrizePopple wrote: »http://www.eatingdisordersonline.com/explain/anorathletica.phpSymptoms of anorexia may be denied
Symptoms of Anorexia Athletica may include over-exercising, obsession with calories, fat, and weight, especially as compared to elite athletes, self-worth being determined by physical performance, and a lack of pleasure from exercising. Advanced cases of Anorexia Athletica may result in physical, psychological, and social consequences as sufferers deny that their excessive exercising patterns are a problem.
People with Anorexia Athletica may have anxiety and feel out of control in their life but that they can control their body and their weight. However, they will often feel guilty if they miss a workout, or don't exercise "enough," and therefore are out of control and at the mercy of this compulsory activity.
Please seek professional help because what you are doing to yourself is not healthy. End of story.
Oh well hell, this is totally me. Only I don't lack pleasure from exercising in fact exercising/competing/training is just pure joy! I don't think obsessing with training, nutrition, calories, etc. is a problem. I don't push or force my ways or my agenda on anyone and I keep things in check. My life is wonderful, and in control as much as ones life can be I do feel guilty sometimes when I miss a work out but it has nothing to do with the actual exercise but more of a feeling of letting my MMA community down a bit when I skip out. Dance studio and MMA communities are like family. I do sometimes feel like I don't exercise enough... meaning, I could go on and on and sometimes wonder how far I could push myself. Elite athletes? hell yes, they get elite status by pushing themselves to their limits.
Michael Phelps is an elite athlete.
Here is how he feeds his body. You barely feed your body at all. If you want to be an elite athlete....feed your body like one.
Yikes!!!!
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soapsandropes wrote: »cushman5279 wrote: »I do feel guilty sometimes when I miss a work out but it has nothing to do with the actual exercise but more of a feeling of letting my MMA community down a bit when I skip out. Dance studio and MMA communities are like family. I do sometimes feel like I don't exercise enough... meaning, I could go on and on and sometimes wonder how far I could push myself. Elite athletes? hell yes, they get elite status by pushing themselves to their limits.
It is totally ok to love the exercise and the sense of family. I don't like it when I can't get to the gym. It is also okay to push yourself physically if you have a goal (and are not injuring yourself). However, athletes at most levels understand that they need to take care of their bodies and feed their bodies in order to achieve their goals. I love watching MMA and do kickboxing myself. If I have one criticism of MMA it is the weight classes and the cutting of water weight before fights. It makes me ill to see a fighter hooked up to an IV immediately after a fight, or worse having seizures, just so they can fit into a weight class (that isn't good for the body).
I agree, but if you're going to practice MMA or cage fighting it's necessary. I never deny myself water, I forget to log it sometimes but I drink a ton of it.0 -
Example, I'm struggling with wanting tongonto a work out tonight but ibworkednout (short) this morning and did a dance/toning class this afternoon, plus a walk. I know I've had enough but I feel the strong urge to go anyway.0
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cushman5279 wrote: »Example, I'm struggling with wanting tongonto a work out tonight but ibworkednout (short) this morning and did a dance/toning class this afternoon, plus a walk. I know I've had enough but I feel the strong urge to go anyway.
You've already gotten a lot of opinions online that it seems like too much. It might be worth making an appointment with a therapist who works with eating disorders. They may tell you what you are doing is fine, they may tell you you have an eating disorder, they may tell you that your thinking is a little off and give you some suggestions to come to a healthier place with food and exercise.
Who knows. But I doubt you're going to get what you want from some internet strangers.0 -
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cushman5279 wrote: »Example, I'm struggling with wanting tongonto a work out tonight but ibworkednout (short) this morning and did a dance/toning class this afternoon, plus a walk. I know I've had enough but I feel the strong urge to go anyway.
You've already gotten a lot of opinions online that it seems like too much. It might be worth making an appointment with a therapist who works with eating disorders. They may tell you what you are doing is fine, they may tell you you have an eating disorder, they may tell you that your thinking is a little off and give you some suggestions to come to a healthier place with food and exercise.
Who knows. But I doubt you're going to get what you want from some internet strangers.
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cushman5279 wrote: »cushman5279 wrote: »PrizePopple wrote: »http://www.eatingdisordersonline.com/explain/anorathletica.phpSymptoms of anorexia may be denied
Symptoms of Anorexia Athletica may include over-exercising, obsession with calories, fat, and weight, especially as compared to elite athletes, self-worth being determined by physical performance, and a lack of pleasure from exercising. Advanced cases of Anorexia Athletica may result in physical, psychological, and social consequences as sufferers deny that their excessive exercising patterns are a problem.
People with Anorexia Athletica may have anxiety and feel out of control in their life but that they can control their body and their weight. However, they will often feel guilty if they miss a workout, or don't exercise "enough," and therefore are out of control and at the mercy of this compulsory activity.
Please seek professional help because what you are doing to yourself is not healthy. End of story.
Oh well hell, this is totally me. Only I don't lack pleasure from exercising in fact exercising/competing/training is just pure joy! I don't think obsessing with training, nutrition, calories, etc. is a problem. I don't push or force my ways or my agenda on anyone and I keep things in check. My life is wonderful, and in control as much as ones life can be I do feel guilty sometimes when I miss a work out but it has nothing to do with the actual exercise but more of a feeling of letting my MMA community down a bit when I skip out. Dance studio and MMA communities are like family. I do sometimes feel like I don't exercise enough... meaning, I could go on and on and sometimes wonder how far I could push myself. Elite athletes? hell yes, they get elite status by pushing themselves to their limits.
Michael Phelps is an elite athlete.
Here is how he feeds his body. You barely feed your body at all. If you want to be an elite athlete....feed your body like one.
Yikes!!!!
Yikes? Fueling his body the way it NEEDED to be led him (and a lot of natural talent) led him to many many gold medals around his neck. That is what elite athletes do. That is what you are not doing.
You can keep going the way you are for a little while longer....but sooner or later, it's gonna stop you cold in your tracks. You can't be working out the way you are and barely eating enough to cover the workouts, let alone anything else. The human body can only take so much.
No I mean yikes like if i ate that many calories!!0 -
then you'd probably be better off than you are now for the time being, if your logging is accurate.0
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cushman5279 wrote: »cushman5279 wrote: »cushman5279 wrote: »PrizePopple wrote: »http://www.eatingdisordersonline.com/explain/anorathletica.phpSymptoms of anorexia may be denied
Symptoms of Anorexia Athletica may include over-exercising, obsession with calories, fat, and weight, especially as compared to elite athletes, self-worth being determined by physical performance, and a lack of pleasure from exercising. Advanced cases of Anorexia Athletica may result in physical, psychological, and social consequences as sufferers deny that their excessive exercising patterns are a problem.
People with Anorexia Athletica may have anxiety and feel out of control in their life but that they can control their body and their weight. However, they will often feel guilty if they miss a workout, or don't exercise "enough," and therefore are out of control and at the mercy of this compulsory activity.
Please seek professional help because what you are doing to yourself is not healthy. End of story.
Oh well hell, this is totally me. Only I don't lack pleasure from exercising in fact exercising/competing/training is just pure joy! I don't think obsessing with training, nutrition, calories, etc. is a problem. I don't push or force my ways or my agenda on anyone and I keep things in check. My life is wonderful, and in control as much as ones life can be I do feel guilty sometimes when I miss a work out but it has nothing to do with the actual exercise but more of a feeling of letting my MMA community down a bit when I skip out. Dance studio and MMA communities are like family. I do sometimes feel like I don't exercise enough... meaning, I could go on and on and sometimes wonder how far I could push myself. Elite athletes? hell yes, they get elite status by pushing themselves to their limits.
Michael Phelps is an elite athlete.
Here is how he feeds his body. You barely feed your body at all. If you want to be an elite athlete....feed your body like one.
Yikes!!!!
Yikes? Fueling his body the way it NEEDED to be led him (and a lot of natural talent) led him to many many gold medals around his neck. That is what elite athletes do. That is what you are not doing.
You can keep going the way you are for a little while longer....but sooner or later, it's gonna stop you cold in your tracks. You can't be working out the way you are and barely eating enough to cover the workouts, let alone anything else. The human body can only take so much.
No I mean yikes like if i ate that many calories!!
"Elite athletes? hell yes, they get elite status by pushing themselves to their limits."
They also get elite status by fueling themselves properly for the exercise they do, and it's not a small amount of exercise. If they were to eat like you do they'd be dead.0 -
That is a myth that Michael Phelps eats 12,000 cal a day. He consumes more like 6000-8000 a day. Regardless, he definitely fuels his workouts!0
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Imagine how much better your workouts would be if you actually fuelled them correctly. You must be running on fumes...0
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Yeah, I'm not the most serious runner, but my best days were the mornings after days where I'd eaten a lot more than normal. Those are when I got my best times and generally felt the best while doing it.0
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The one thing I'd like to add, is that I'd like you to recognize your minimizing language. Not every day, once in awhile, everybody has fat days, everyone has a disordered relationship with food, I'm better than before, today was a little easier, balanced/managed as well as can be. You're dedicating a lot of your language into minimizing the real issue. Sometimes, in order to keep doing destructive behaviors, we have to lie to ourselves. The issue is that you feel anxiety about this, that you feel a computation to work out beyond what you know is needed ("I already worked out three times but I'd feel better if I did more"), and that you are exhibiting destructive behavior. I'm confident that you don't WANT to be unhealthy or destructive, but sometimes we tell ourselves things that aren't quite accurate. Things like, I'm doing this to maintain a healthy weight. Or, I need to work out because other people need me to (do your buddies really need you to work out twice on rest days and constantly maintain insufficient nutrition?). Or, this isn't that big of a deal, I'm in control of the situation, and I'm making healthy choices.
I had a disordered relationship with food. I want to tell you because I want you to know I'm not just spouting off. My life was chaotic beyond my control. My folks were fighting, for most of a summer I stayed at friends and relatives homes for anywhere from overnight to two weeks and often didn't know where I was going next. I was scared and alone and out of control of my life. I found out one thing I could control - when and what I ate. When I felt hungry, I could feel it and not respond to it. If I ignored it for awhile it would go away. I started out proud of myself; my girlfriends and I would compare notes ("I'm so hungry, all I ate today was ______!") and I lost a little weight. But then people started getting worried, and if I said what I had eaten they'd get this look. Someone noticed I lost weight and I felt panicked because I wanted it to be my own secret thing, my point of control. I would eat one meal every two days and a snack or two. I lost ten pounds in a month.
Thankfully, I had friends who cared a lot. Eventually a friend out of state told me if I didn't start eating right he'd literally show up at my door and stick an IV in my arm. He was kind of crazy so I believed him. Another friend told me my organs were going to shut down and I could die. I got myself back on track. Now days I'm overweight and working on fixing it, but I can't do any sort of fasting. I'll enjoy the hungry feeling too much and I'm afraid I'll get hooked again.
Super long and personal story, hope I didn't bore you.
I just want you to know I'm coming from a place of understanding and love, not judgement and ignorance. If you want a friend feel free to add me. 0 -
I have had a friend who replaced the food-rush high with an endorphin high.
I'm going to say this with love...
STOP IT, WOMAN!
Seriously, continued high-impact workouts beyond a certain level with no rest can hurt you--even cause permanent damage. You should not be "hitting the gym" for another hour.
HAVING TOO HIGH A DEFICIT IS DANGEROUS, TOO! There's a weird focus on MFP about goals versus deficit...or on deficit from exercise versus other TDEE. That's actually pretty meaningless. A safe deficit is dependent on body composition. If you're obese, overweight, or in the upper part of the healthy weight range *and also* not especially muscular, you can lose 1% of your body mass per week safely for sure up to 3lbs a week.
You have to learn to trust yourself with balance. And balance can be hard, but you NEED to do it.0 -
Until someone admits to themselves they have a problem, there is nothing anyone can do or say to make them see sense
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Hi, I usually don't post replies but I feel like this is really important. I too have a past involving disordered eating. . I ended up with a severe eating disorder that I struggle with to this day.Homemaker57 wrote: »The one thing I'd like to add, is that I'd like you to recognize your minimizing language. Not every day, once in awhile, everybody has fat days, everyone has a disordered relationship with food, I'm better than before, today was a little easier, balanced/managed as well as can be. You're dedicating a lot of your language into minimizing the real issue. Sometimes, in order to keep doing destructive behaviors, we have to lie to ourselves. The issue is that you feel anxiety about this, that you feel a computation to work out beyond what you know is needed ("I already worked out three times but I'd feel better if I did more"), and that you are exhibiting destructive behavior. I'm confident that you don't WANT to be unhealthy or destructive, but sometimes we tell ourselves things that aren't quite accurate. Things like, I'm doing this to maintain a healthy weight. Or, I need to work out because other people need me to (do your buddies really need you to work out twice on rest days and constantly maintain insufficient nutrition?). Or, this isn't that big of a deal, I'm in control of the situation, and I'm making healthy choices.
I had a disordered relationship with food. I want to tell you because I want you to know I'm not just spouting off. My life was chaotic beyond my control. My folks were fighting, for most of a summer I stayed at friends and relatives homes for anywhere from overnight to two weeks and often didn't know where I was going next. I was scared and alone and out of control of my life. I found out one thing I could control - when and what I ate. When I felt hungry, I could feel it and not respond to it. If I ignored it for awhile it would go away. I started out proud of myself; my girlfriends and I would compare notes ("I'm so hungry, all I ate today was ______!") and I lost a little weight. But then people started getting worried, and if I said what I had eaten they'd get this look. Someone noticed I lost weight and I felt panicked because I wanted it to be my own secret thing, my point of control. I would eat one meal every two days and a snack or two. I lost ten pounds in a month.
Thankfully, I had friends who cared a lot. Eventually a friend out of state told me if I didn't start eating right he'd literally show up at my door and stick an IV in my arm. He was kind of crazy so I believed him. Another friend told me my organs were going to shut down and I could die. I got myself back on track. Now days I'm overweight and working on fixing it, but I can't do any sort of fasting. I'll enjoy the hungry feeling too much and I'm afraid I'll get hooked again.
Super long and personal story, hope I didn't bore you. I just want you to know I'm coming from a place of understanding and love, not judgement and ignorance. If you want a friend feel free to add me.
See, I started out just like you cushman! I was telling myself I'd get healthy because I wanted to be able to CONTROL my weight. I had to control my weight because I felt like everything else in my life was out of my controlSo I began to starve myself. When I wasn't working out, I was looking at pictures of foods I knew I would never allow myself to have on Pinterest or reading articles about nutrition and making new food rules, each stricter than the one before. I started overexercising- to the point where I was eventually doing it till 4 am. My body started metabolizing my heart, bones, and organs for energy, because there was no fat for my body to live on and I sure wasn't feeding it!! I would do anything to get out of eating. I started sobbing at the thought of eating a tiny sandwich with 45 calorie bread. I continued this until I was admitted to the hospital with a heart rate of 30. My hair was falling out in big chunks, my face was sunken in, I was unable to concentrate, my bone density dropped, my blood pressure was frighteningly low, and I cried at the thought of food or not getting in at least x amount of exercise. I was severely underweight. My family and friends (the ones I had left anyways, this had been going on for so long that I never had energy to go out with my friends) were all afraid for my life. I had a nasogastric tube put in because I refused to eat and was eventually sent to a hospital more focused on eating disorders where I had to recover for about 6 months. I would've been there longer but my insurance cut.
Eating disorders are mental illnesses-often characterized by low self-esteem, an intense fear of weight gain and a preoccupation with food. You do NOT have to be underweight to have an eating disorder. At the residential facility I attended, many people were, in fact, a healthy weight. Eating disorders should be taken seriously-they have he highest mortality rate of any mental illness!!
I know it may seem like this is all crazy and you don't think you're sick but please, I encourage you to go to your doctor or visit a therapist. Just once. See what they say. I'm not a doctor, I can't diagnose you, but I think it's important that you check this I it and make sure nothing is wrong. If you saw a warning sign for cancer, wouldn't you get that checked out? This isn't any different. You deserve help. You deserve a happy life where you don't worry intensely about how much you need to workout each day. I encourage you to challenge those thoughts, challenge that voice in your head that's telling you that you aren't good enough-because that voice is wrong.
I apologize for my long rambling story, I don't mean to be an annoyance. I just felt that it might help for you to hear a more personal account of the extremes of under eating and malnourishment. I was not trying to attack in any way, cushman, just trying to raise awareness and help you. Please stay safe.0 -
cushman, what everyone is trying to tell you, is that if you keep working out like you are, and not eating enough, you are going to die. Period. End of story. If that's what your goal is, then you're on the right path. Self-destruction is a terrible path to be on, and will likely hurt or destroy anyone else in your life who cares about you, so stop and think about them, while you are doing this to yourself.0
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Can't believe what I've just read. Please get some professional help! Best of Luck.0
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christinev297 wrote: »Until someone admits to themselves they have a problem, there is nothing anyone can do or say to make them see sense
Agreed. People who don't admit they have a problem will try justifying their behavior which seems to be the case.
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Steph38878 wrote: »christinev297 wrote: »Until someone admits to themselves they have a problem, there is nothing anyone can do or say to make them see sense
Agreed. People who don't admit they have a problem will try justifying their behavior which seems to be the case.
Exactly, hence all the responses from the OP deflecting and ignoring reason.0 -
I had to take a look through your diary over the past month after reading this.
Clearly you love exercise. Nothing wrong with that. But I honestly cannot understand how you're functioning. With a exercise rarely dipping below an hour a day and regularly hitting 2 hours a day and only consuming 1100-1500 calories a day, that's a ridiculous net even with MFP overestimation. This is seriously damaging to your body. Please consider that what you're doing is very counterproductive to what you're trying to achieve. You are damaging your body and your mind is ignoring it. Once reality kicks in, the recovery process will suck. Seriously...your mind is tricking you into thinking this is ok. You know it's not.
I tried to do too much training at one time and hit 2 hours a few times a week for about a month, my body got furious and I couldn't figure out how to eat enough to make it balance. So I stopped. If you can't figure out how to get enough calories in the replenish from what you're doing, slow it down. You either eat to support that level of exercise or you reduce the amount.0
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