Why we need GMO
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People using an app to track food intake do not need GMO.
GMO provides some interesting nutritional opportunities for some locations. Reducing genetic and production diversity also puts the food supply at risk.
How, exactly, do GMOs reduce genetic diversity?
Creates farms of nothing but monocultures, which is not good for the soil nor the environment. Crops are meant to be rotated each year.
Monocrops and monocultures are ruining the soil.
Those are poor farming practices, not the fault of GMOs.
Farmers are being FORCED into this, not by choice, but my force.
Like guns held to their heads and they must comply or be killed?0 -
People using an app to track food intake do not need GMO.
GMO provides some interesting nutritional opportunities for some locations. Reducing genetic and production diversity also puts the food supply at risk.
How, exactly, do GMOs reduce genetic diversity?
Creates farms of nothing but monocultures, which is not good for the soil nor the environment. Crops are meant to be rotated each year.
Monocrops and monocultures are ruining the soil.
Those are poor farming practices, not the fault of GMOs.
Farmers are being FORCED into this, not by choice, but my force.
Farmers are being forced to not rotate crops? Not sure I follow...0 -
People using an app to track food intake do not need GMO.
GMO provides some interesting nutritional opportunities for some locations. Reducing genetic and production diversity also puts the food supply at risk.
How, exactly, do GMOs reduce genetic diversity?
Creates farms of nothing but monocultures, which is not good for the soil nor the environment. Crops are meant to be rotated each year.
Monocrops and monocultures are ruining the soil.
Those are poor farming practices, not the fault of GMOs.
Farmers are being FORCED into this, not by choice, but my force.
Like guns held to their heads and they must comply or be killed?
hahaha thanks for the afternoon giggle :laugh:0 -
4 Any other potential risks that I am missing?
Yes. How about putting all of our food production into the hands of about 5 HUGE companies that are looking to put patents on everything they modify (they have to modify it in order to be able to patent it - you can't patent a natural product) so no one else can grow it without their permission?
To me, that is a major concern and very scary indeed... Also, the risk of losing the original seed if we ever find out it is not as healthy as we thought it was to eat modified foods. The big companies are trying very hard to make it illegal to use the unmodified seeds. If they succeed, there will be nothing left.
Just my 2 cents.0 -
People using an app to track food intake do not need GMO.
GMO provides some interesting nutritional opportunities for some locations. Reducing genetic and production diversity also puts the food supply at risk.
How, exactly, do GMOs reduce genetic diversity?
Creates farms of nothing but monocultures, which is not good for the soil nor the environment. Crops are meant to be rotated each year.
Monocrops and monocultures are ruining the soil.
Those are poor farming practices, not the fault of GMOs.
Farmers are being FORCED into this, not by choice, but my force.
Again, what does that have to do with GMOs?0 -
People using an app to track food intake do not need GMO.
GMO provides some interesting nutritional opportunities for some locations. Reducing genetic and production diversity also puts the food supply at risk.
How, exactly, do GMOs reduce genetic diversity?
Creates farms of nothing but monocultures, which is not good for the soil nor the environment. Crops are meant to be rotated each year.
Monocrops and monocultures are ruining the soil.
Those are poor farming practices, not the fault of GMOs.
Farmers are being FORCED into this, not by choice, but my force.
Farmers are being forced to not rotate crops? Not sure I follow...
I grew up on farms in the Midwest and many people I went to school with still operate family farms. Yes, they are being told what seeds to buy and what to plant every year or they will be run out of business.
They no longer have a choice in this. It is sad what these seed corporations are being allowed to do. It is not just Monsanto, but also Dow, Cargill, Pioneer, etc.
Their land has already been ruined and therefore it is not like they can turn back the hands of time and become organic farmers now. This is how these Corporations just come in and take over.
And moreso, many farmers are becoming bankrupt trying to afford the seed prices, which is sad.0 -
the concept of GMO is fine, although it's worth noting that different populations have different needs (for example, those in 'Western' or certainly the US societies) do not suffer from deficiencies in Vitamin A
We have been carrying out a form of GMO for thousands of years, by selective breeding - read Michael Pollan's 'The Botany of Desire' for an interesting take on it.
What I, and many others have an issue with is not the idea of GMO but the WAY in which it is practiced. GMO seeds are for the most part non-heritage seeds, which means that farmers cannot lay a stock of seeds for planting next season, and have to purchase more, giving profit to the organisation that created them. Granted, this allows the seeds to remain pure (and not-crossbreed as I am sure the plants themselves will attempt to do given the way evolution works....), and it also allows the GMO organisation to remain in business -after all, a business model that simply gives away its inventions isn't much of a business model (aside from people like Trevor Bayliss that is...)
GMO is NOT a cure for World Hunger. It is a way of creating more resistant crops, fighting diseases and generally attempting to mount a defence against what could be argued the natural order of things. It is necessarily a profit-making industry, but it is some of the bullish tactics that many people find offensive.
In order to feed the world's population we need to adjust our farming practices. Whether GMO is the way to do this I am not convinced, however money will only be invested in solutions where there is a real chance of a financial return.
It actually can reduce world hunger. Different farming techniques (including GMOs allow us to raise over 3 times the amount of corn per acre than we did at the beginning of the century.0 -
I am bowing out of this thread, the ignorance is abound too much in this thread.0
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People using an app to track food intake do not need GMO.
GMO provides some interesting nutritional opportunities for some locations. Reducing genetic and production diversity also puts the food supply at risk.
How, exactly, do GMOs reduce genetic diversity?
Creates farms of nothing but monocultures, which is not good for the soil nor the environment. Crops are meant to be rotated each year.
Monocrops and monocultures are ruining the soil.
Those are poor farming practices, not the fault of GMOs.
Farmers are being FORCED into this, not by choice, but my force.
Farmers are being forced to not rotate crops? Not sure I follow...
I grew up on farms in the Midwest and many people I went to school with still operate family farms. Yes, they are being told what seeds to buy and what to plant every year or they will be run out of business.
They no longer have a choice in this. It is sad what these seed corporations are being allowed to do. It is not just Monsanto, but also Dow, Cargill, Pioneer, etc.
Their land has already been ruined and therefore it is not like they can turn back the hands of time and become organic farmers now. This is how these Corporations just come in and take over.
And moreso, many farmers are becoming bankrupt trying to afford the seed prices, which is sad.
I also grew up on a farm in the Midwest & still help out. I respectfully disagree with the majority of your statements. They are also not becoming bankrupt...if any farmer tries and tells you that right now they're flat out lying. Last year the midwest experience record droughts & still produced average to above-average yields...0 -
Multinational corporations are people. People don't hurt people. People love people. Love.0
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i'm just throwing this out there but have you guys heard of the genically modified food supplement L-Tryptophan that killed 37 people and disabled 1500, right? i'm not quite sure it its enirely safe, from what i researched it seems to be more of a marketing scheme from the companies that produce these gmo foods, there are only like 3 companies that create them, and as a farmer you can only buy thier seeds every year and only the pesticide that they create that goes along with the plant. and they do not produce a higher yield, organically grown or gmo they produce the same. if we had a better way or testing these crops i would be all for it, but round up ready corn was not supposed to be passed by the fda because of tumors in rats, but they let it pass anyways...0
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People using an app to track food intake do not need GMO.
GMO provides some interesting nutritional opportunities for some locations. Reducing genetic and production diversity also puts the food supply at risk.
How, exactly, do GMOs reduce genetic diversity?
Creates farms of nothing but monocultures, which is not good for the soil nor the environment. Crops are meant to be rotated each year.
Monocrops and monocultures are ruining the soil.
Those are poor farming practices, not the fault of GMOs.
Farmers are being FORCED into this, not by choice, but my force.
Again, what does that have to do with GMOs?
You know good and well that it has to do with the companies making the GMO seed. GMO's have not been deemed safe nor unsafe and they are protected by federal law to not have to prove either way.
This proves they have something to hide and are buying their protection to keep us in the dark.0 -
People using an app to track food intake do not need GMO.
GMO provides some interesting nutritional opportunities for some locations. Reducing genetic and production diversity also puts the food supply at risk.
How, exactly, do GMOs reduce genetic diversity?
Creates farms of nothing but monocultures, which is not good for the soil nor the environment. Crops are meant to be rotated each year.
Monocrops and monocultures are ruining the soil.
Those are poor farming practices, not the fault of GMOs.
Farmers are being FORCED into this, not by choice, but my force.
Farmers are being forced to not rotate crops? Not sure I follow...
I grew up on farms in the Midwest and many people I went to school with still operate family farms. Yes, they are being told what seeds to buy and what to plant every year or they will be run out of business.
They no longer have a choice in this. It is sad what these seed corporations are being allowed to do. It is not just Monsanto, but also Dow, Cargill, Pioneer, etc.
Their land has already been ruined and therefore it is not like they can turn back the hands of time and become organic farmers now. This is how these Corporations just come in and take over.
And moreso, many farmers are becoming bankrupt trying to afford the seed prices, which is sad.
I also grew up on a farm in the Midwest & still help out. I respectfully disagree with the majority of your statements. They are also not becoming bankrupt...if any farmer tries and tells you that right now they're flat out lying. Last year the midwest experience record droughts & still produced average to above-average yields...
You must be a puppet of Monsanto coming here with these "facts", how much they paying you?0 -
People using an app to track food intake do not need GMO.
GMO provides some interesting nutritional opportunities for some locations. Reducing genetic and production diversity also puts the food supply at risk.
How, exactly, do GMOs reduce genetic diversity?
Creates farms of nothing but monocultures, which is not good for the soil nor the environment. Crops are meant to be rotated each year.
Monocrops and monocultures are ruining the soil.
Those are poor farming practices, not the fault of GMOs.
Farmers are being FORCED into this, not by choice, but my force.
Again, what does that have to do with GMOs?
You know good and well that it has to do with the companies making the GMO seed. GMO's have not been deemed safe nor unsafe and they are protected by federal law to not have to prove either way.
This proves they have something to hide and are buying their protection to keep us in the dark.
You keep saying that. Will you please link to the actual law you're talking about? Federal laws are public record, so if it exists, I'm sure you can produce it...0 -
You know good and well that it has to do with the companies making the GMO seed. GMO's have not been deemed safe nor unsafe and they are protected by federal law to not have to prove either way.
This proves they have something to hide and are buying their protection to keep us in the dark.
Honestly, I think we should trust multinationals in every decision they make and should just support that, you know, and be faithful in what happens.0 -
People using an app to track food intake do not need GMO.
GMO provides some interesting nutritional opportunities for some locations. Reducing genetic and production diversity also puts the food supply at risk.
How, exactly, do GMOs reduce genetic diversity?
Creates farms of nothing but monocultures, which is not good for the soil nor the environment. Crops are meant to be rotated each year.
Monocrops and monocultures are ruining the soil.
Those are poor farming practices, not the fault of GMOs.
Farmers are being FORCED into this, not by choice, but my force.
Farmers are being forced to not rotate crops? Not sure I follow...
I grew up on farms in the Midwest and many people I went to school with still operate family farms. Yes, they are being told what seeds to buy and what to plant every year or they will be run out of business.
They no longer have a choice in this. It is sad what these seed corporations are being allowed to do. It is not just Monsanto, but also Dow, Cargill, Pioneer, etc.
Their land has already been ruined and therefore it is not like they can turn back the hands of time and become organic farmers now. This is how these Corporations just come in and take over.
And moreso, many farmers are becoming bankrupt trying to afford the seed prices, which is sad.
I also grew up on a farm in the Midwest & still help out. I respectfully disagree with the majority of your statements. They are also not becoming bankrupt...if any farmer tries and tells you that right now they're flat out lying. Last year the midwest experience record droughts & still produced average to above-average yields...
I am seeing it happen all over the place in Southern Illinois, and Missouri (St Louis area) specifically. I know they are not lying
I am seeing first hand what is going on. It is sickening and disgusting what is being forced on these poor family farmers.
Most of the people I went to school with are urging their children to not want to go into farming because they are disgusted by what they are being forced to do.
I feel for these families because this is not what I grew up around in the 70's and 80's.0 -
People using an app to track food intake do not need GMO.
GMO provides some interesting nutritional opportunities for some locations. Reducing genetic and production diversity also puts the food supply at risk.
How, exactly, do GMOs reduce genetic diversity?
Creates farms of nothing but monocultures, which is not good for the soil nor the environment. Crops are meant to be rotated each year.
Monocrops and monocultures are ruining the soil.
Those are poor farming practices, not the fault of GMOs.
Farmers are being FORCED into this, not by choice, but my force.
Again, what does that have to do with GMOs?
You know good and well that it has to do with the companies making the GMO seed. GMO's have not been deemed safe nor unsafe and they are protected by federal law to not have to prove either way.
This proves they have something to hide and are buying their protection to keep us in the dark.
You keep saying that. Will you please link to the actual law you're talking about? Federal laws are public record, so if it exists, I'm sure you can produce it...
The Monsanto Protection Act. Yes, it is public record, so look it up for yourself.0 -
People using an app to track food intake do not need GMO.
GMO provides some interesting nutritional opportunities for some locations. Reducing genetic and production diversity also puts the food supply at risk.
How, exactly, do GMOs reduce genetic diversity?
Creates farms of nothing but monocultures, which is not good for the soil nor the environment. Crops are meant to be rotated each year.
Monocrops and monocultures are ruining the soil.
Those are poor farming practices, not the fault of GMOs.
Farmers are being FORCED into this, not by choice, but my force.
Again, what does that have to do with GMOs?
You know good and well that it has to do with the companies making the GMO seed. GMO's have not been deemed safe nor unsafe and they are protected by federal law to not have to prove either way.
This proves they have something to hide and are buying their protection to keep us in the dark.
ummm, no. If I decide to plant corn two growing seasons in a row on the south 180. That's my fault.0 -
Need GMO's? Are you fu*king kidding me? Thousands of years of sustainable farming on earth would argue0
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People using an app to track food intake do not need GMO.
GMO provides some interesting nutritional opportunities for some locations. Reducing genetic and production diversity also puts the food supply at risk.
How, exactly, do GMOs reduce genetic diversity?
Creates farms of nothing but monocultures, which is not good for the soil nor the environment. Crops are meant to be rotated each year.
Monocrops and monocultures are ruining the soil.
Those are poor farming practices, not the fault of GMOs.
Farmers are being FORCED into this, not by choice, but my force.
Farmers are being forced to not rotate crops? Not sure I follow...
I grew up on farms in the Midwest and many people I went to school with still operate family farms. Yes, they are being told what seeds to buy and what to plant every year or they will be run out of business.
They no longer have a choice in this. It is sad what these seed corporations are being allowed to do. It is not just Monsanto, but also Dow, Cargill, Pioneer, etc.
Their land has already been ruined and therefore it is not like they can turn back the hands of time and become organic farmers now. This is how these Corporations just come in and take over.
And moreso, many farmers are becoming bankrupt trying to afford the seed prices, which is sad.
I also grew up on a farm in the Midwest & still help out. I respectfully disagree with the majority of your statements. They are also not becoming bankrupt...if any farmer tries and tells you that right now they're flat out lying. Last year the midwest experience record droughts & still produced average to above-average yields...
You must be a puppet of Monsanto coming here with these "facts", how much they paying you?
Riiiiiight b/c that's a sound agruement. And actually no, I'm not. Would you like to present some facts to me that farmers are going bankrupt?0 -
People using an app to track food intake do not need GMO.
GMO provides some interesting nutritional opportunities for some locations. Reducing genetic and production diversity also puts the food supply at risk.
How, exactly, do GMOs reduce genetic diversity?
Creates farms of nothing but monocultures, which is not good for the soil nor the environment. Crops are meant to be rotated each year.
Monocrops and monocultures are ruining the soil.
Those are poor farming practices, not the fault of GMOs.
Farmers are being FORCED into this, not by choice, but my force.
Again, what does that have to do with GMOs?
You know good and well that it has to do with the companies making the GMO seed. GMO's have not been deemed safe nor unsafe and they are protected by federal law to not have to prove either way.
This proves they have something to hide and are buying their protection to keep us in the dark.
ummm, no. If I decide to plant corn two growing seasons in a row on the south 180. That's my fault.
You and your family are probably one of those families they use on the Monsanto billboards and commercials around here in the St Louis area.
I have seen farmers shooting down those billboard signs when I was on my way to Moberly a couple of months ago.
Just know there are many Midwest farmers that don't echo your attitude and thoughts.
And like I said there is a LOT of stress on families in my area where they are being told what they are going to plant each year.
I truly believe they are being used as some type of guinea pigs or something, but they don't get anything for it while Monsanto grows richer and richer.0 -
anyone that argues for gmos is a nut.0
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anyone that argues for gmos is a nut.
No, I just don't believe in your religion.0 -
It actually can reduce world hunger. Different farming techniques (including GMOs allow us to raise over 3 times the amount of corn per acre than we did at the beginning of the century.
So...why aren't we shipping all the excess corn we produce to those starving countries, instead of burning it in corn burners as an alternative source of fuel (for things like heating a house) that in some places is cheaper than using electricity or natural gas?0 -
People using an app to track food intake do not need GMO.
GMO provides some interesting nutritional opportunities for some locations. Reducing genetic and production diversity also puts the food supply at risk.
How, exactly, do GMOs reduce genetic diversity?
Creates farms of nothing but monocultures, which is not good for the soil nor the environment. Crops are meant to be rotated each year.
Monocrops and monocultures are ruining the soil.
Those are poor farming practices, not the fault of GMOs.
Farmers are being FORCED into this, not by choice, but my force.
Again, what does that have to do with GMOs?
You know good and well that it has to do with the companies making the GMO seed. GMO's have not been deemed safe nor unsafe and they are protected by federal law to not have to prove either way.
This proves they have something to hide and are buying their protection to keep us in the dark.
You keep saying that. Will you please link to the actual law you're talking about? Federal laws are public record, so if it exists, I'm sure you can produce it...
The Monsanto Protection Act. Yes, it is public record, so look it up for yourself.
Tinfoil hat much? No "Monsanto Protection Act" in the federal register or other listing of our laws0 -
It actually can reduce world hunger. Different farming techniques (including GMOs allow us to raise over 3 times the amount of corn per acre than we did at the beginning of the century.
So...why aren't we shipping all the excess corn we produce to those starving countries, instead of burning it in corn burners as an alternative source of fuel (for things like heating a house) that in some places is cheaper than using electricity or natural gas?
We do ship a lot of corn to other, starving countries. It's usually either a corrupt local government or politics that prevents people from getting the shipment.
Sometimes the local populace even believes the GMO scare-mongers and don't eat the corn, resulting in starvation. Neat, huh?0 -
People using an app to track food intake do not need GMO.
GMO provides some interesting nutritional opportunities for some locations. Reducing genetic and production diversity also puts the food supply at risk.
How, exactly, do GMOs reduce genetic diversity?
Creates farms of nothing but monocultures, which is not good for the soil nor the environment. Crops are meant to be rotated each year.
Monocrops and monocultures are ruining the soil.
Those are poor farming practices, not the fault of GMOs.
Farmers are being FORCED into this, not by choice, but my force.
Again, what does that have to do with GMOs?
You know good and well that it has to do with the companies making the GMO seed. GMO's have not been deemed safe nor unsafe and they are protected by federal law to not have to prove either way.
This proves they have something to hide and are buying their protection to keep us in the dark.
ummm, no. If I decide to plant corn two growing seasons in a row on the south 180. That's my fault.
You and your family are probably one of those families they use on the Monsanto billboards and commercials around here in the St Louis area.
I have seen farmers shooting down those billboard signs when I was on my way to Moberly a couple of months ago.
Just know there are many Midwest farmers that don't echo your attitude and thoughts.
And like I said there is a LOT of stress on families in my area where they are being told what they are going to plant each year.
I truly believe they are being used as some type of guinea pigs or something, but they don't get anything for it while Monsanto grows richer and richer.
Oh jesus, I can't talk to you. Your statements are absolutely ridiculous0 -
anyone that argues for gmos is a nut.
No, I just don't believe in your religion.
religion? its called common sense. I dont want genetically ALTERED food tyvm0 -
anyone that argues for gmos is a nut.
No, I just don't believe in your religion.
religion? its called common sense. I dont want genetically ALTERED food tyvm
Calling someone a 'nut' because they disagree with you isn't exactly common sense. It's inflammatory and if you don't want genetically altered food then that's fine. I don't care, just get out of my face if I do want genetically altered food.0 -
It actually can reduce world hunger. Different farming techniques (including GMOs allow us to raise over 3 times the amount of corn per acre than we did at the beginning of the century.
So...why aren't we shipping all the excess corn we produce to those starving countries, instead of burning it in corn burners as an alternative source of fuel (for things like heating a house) that in some places is cheaper than using electricity or natural gas?
We do ship a lot of corn to other, starving countries. It's usually either a corrupt local government or politics that prevents people from getting the shipment.
Sometimes the local populace even believes the GMO scare-mongers and don't eat the corn, resulting in starvation. Neat, huh?
Monsanto isn't trying to do anything noble. Countries with starving populations cannot afford the US exports nor are they purchasing Monsanto's seeds for planting. In addition, I was having a conversation with a friend of mine whose company deals with US exports of goods and she attended a seminar that dealt with the problems related to our export taxes being so high that they prohibit many countries from buying our goods and services. So in short, Monsanto saving the world sounds pretty far fetched.0
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