Why we need GMO
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anyone that argues for gmos is a nut.
No, I just don't believe in your religion.
religion? its called common sense. I dont want genetically ALTERED food tyvm
Do you eat bananas?0 -
It actually can reduce world hunger. Different farming techniques (including GMOs allow us to raise over 3 times the amount of corn per acre than we did at the beginning of the century.
So...why aren't we shipping all the excess corn we produce to those starving countries, instead of burning it in corn burners as an alternative source of fuel (for things like heating a house) that in some places is cheaper than using electricity or natural gas?
We do ship a lot of corn to other, starving countries. It's usually either a corrupt local government or politics that prevents people from getting the shipment.
Sometimes the local populace even believes the GMO scare-mongers and don't eat the corn, resulting in starvation. Neat, huh?
That's kind of my point - global starvation isn't about not producing enough food (the US alone produces enough corn to not only feed its own population and that of a good chunk of the Third World, but it can put corn and its derivatives into damn near everything, and can also use it as an alternative fuel source), but about the politics. The whole "make more food so we can feed the world!" doesn't work when the food's already there, but the distribution channels are blocked for one reason or another.0 -
It actually can reduce world hunger. Different farming techniques (including GMOs allow us to raise over 3 times the amount of corn per acre than we did at the beginning of the century.
So...why aren't we shipping all the excess corn we produce to those starving countries, instead of burning it in corn burners as an alternative source of fuel (for things like heating a house) that in some places is cheaper than using electricity or natural gas?
We do ship a lot of corn to other, starving countries. It's usually either a corrupt local government or politics that prevents people from getting the shipment.
Sometimes the local populace even believes the GMO scare-mongers and don't eat the corn, resulting in starvation. Neat, huh?
Monsanto isn't trying to do anything noble. Countries with starving populations cannot afford the US exports nor are they purchasing Monsanto's seeds for planting. In addition, I was having a conversation with a friend of mine whose company deals with US exports of goods and she attended a seminar that dealt with the problems related to our export taxes being so high that they prohibit many countries from buying our goods and services. So in short, Monsanto saving the world sounds pretty far fetched.
It's a good thing I never said Monsanto was saving anyone.
I'm talking about food aid. It doesn't cost much for them.0 -
anyone that argues for gmos is a nut.
No, I just don't believe in your religion.
religion? its called common sense. I dont want genetically ALTERED food tyvm
Do you eat bananas?
I like my wild bananas with all their yummy seeds0 -
anyone that argues for gmos is a nut.
No, I just don't believe in your religion.
religion? its called common sense. I dont want genetically ALTERED food tyvm
Calling someone a 'nut' because they disagree with you isn't exactly common sense. It's inflammatory and if you don't want genetically altered food then that's fine. I don't care, just get out of my face if I do want genetically altered food.
Lol, good point, but I just dont understand arguing FOR scientists in a lab playing god with crops seeds. Who reaps the benefits? Is it our kids nutrition. Lets remember we have a childhood obesity problem in this country and no one ever asks "COULD IT BE THE FOOD?" people dont want to grow fresh anymore, they want easy and quick. I worked on an organic farm this summer and let m tell you, theres nothing easy about farming. Its so hard, and these farmers get so little out of it, pretty soon there will be no farms and we will be growing our food in test tubes..I cant imagine arguing for industries that take the Food out of farming.0 -
If it ain't perfect, it ain't worth thinkin about!
Monsanto loves you.0 -
anyone that argues for gmos is a nut.
No, I just don't believe in your religion.
religion? its called common sense. I dont want genetically ALTERED food tyvm
Do you eat bananas?
oh here we go!0 -
anyone that argues for gmos is a nut.
No, I just don't believe in your religion.
religion? its called common sense. I dont want genetically ALTERED food tyvm
Calling someone a 'nut' because they disagree with you isn't exactly common sense. It's inflammatory and if you don't want genetically altered food then that's fine. I don't care, just get out of my face if I do want genetically altered food.
Lol, good point, but I just dont understand arguing FOR scientists in a lab playing god with crops seeds. Who reaps the benefits? Is it our kids nutrition. Lets remember we have a childhood obesity problem in this country and no one ever asks "COULD IT BE THE FOOD?" people dont want to grow fresh anymore, they want easy and quick. I worked on an organic farm this summer and let m tell you, theres nothing easy about farming. Its so hard, and these farmers get so little out of it, pretty soon there will be no farms and we will be growing our food in test tubes..I cant imagine arguing for industries that take the Food out of farming.
Perhaps over consumption is the cause of obesity?0 -
anyone that argues for gmos is a nut.
No, I just don't believe in your religion.
religion? its called common sense. I dont want genetically ALTERED food tyvm
Do you eat bananas?
oh here we go!
LOL well I was just trying to (not so subtly) point out that you were the one taking the extreme stance on the issue....:flowerforyou:0 -
anyone that argues for gmos is a nut.
No, I just don't believe in your religion.
religion? its called common sense. I dont want genetically ALTERED food tyvm
Calling someone a 'nut' because they disagree with you isn't exactly common sense. It's inflammatory and if you don't want genetically altered food then that's fine. I don't care, just get out of my face if I do want genetically altered food.
Lol, good point, but I just dont understand arguing FOR scientists in a lab playing god with crops seeds. Who reaps the benefits? Is it our kids nutrition. Lets remember we have a childhood obesity problem in this country and no one ever asks "COULD IT BE THE FOOD?" people dont want to grow fresh anymore, they want easy and quick. I worked on an organic farm this summer and let m tell you, theres nothing easy about farming. Its so hard, and these farmers get so little out of it, pretty soon there will be no farms and we will be growing our food in test tubes..I cant imagine arguing for industries that take the Food out of farming.
Perhaps over consumption is the cause of obesity?
and perhaps its also whats IN the food we eat?0 -
Perhaps over consumption is the cause of obesity?
Perhaps life is the cause of over consumption? Without one, we wouldn't have the other. Therefore address life and ignore the rest.0 -
anyone that argues for gmos is a nut.
No, I just don't believe in your religion.
religion? its called common sense. I dont want genetically ALTERED food tyvm
Do you eat bananas?
oh here we go!
LOL well I was just trying to (not so subtly) point out that you were the one taking the extreme stance on the issue....:flowerforyou:
well I am because to me its common sense! i honestly dont want scientists in lab coats dictating the future mutations of my food. I think the years of life on earth prove we dont need to "play god" on this one..0 -
anyone that argues for gmos is a nut.
No, I just don't believe in your religion.
religion? its called common sense. I dont want genetically ALTERED food tyvm
Calling someone a 'nut' because they disagree with you isn't exactly common sense. It's inflammatory and if you don't want genetically altered food then that's fine. I don't care, just get out of my face if I do want genetically altered food.
Lol, good point, but I just dont understand arguing FOR scientists in a lab playing god with crops seeds. Who reaps the benefits? Is it our kids nutrition. Lets remember we have a childhood obesity problem in this country and no one ever asks "COULD IT BE THE FOOD?" people dont want to grow fresh anymore, they want easy and quick. I worked on an organic farm this summer and let m tell you, theres nothing easy about farming. Its so hard, and these farmers get so little out of it, pretty soon there will be no farms and we will be growing our food in test tubes..I cant imagine arguing for industries that take the Food out of farming.
Perhaps over consumption is the cause of obesity?
and perhaps its also whats IN the food we eat?
LOL
GMO makes things magically more calorically dense. Sounds legit.
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anyone that argues for gmos is a nut.
No, I just don't believe in your religion.
religion? its called common sense. I dont want genetically ALTERED food tyvm
Calling someone a 'nut' because they disagree with you isn't exactly common sense. It's inflammatory and if you don't want genetically altered food then that's fine. I don't care, just get out of my face if I do want genetically altered food.
Lol, good point, but I just dont understand arguing FOR scientists in a lab playing god with crops seeds. Who reaps the benefits? Is it our kids nutrition. Lets remember we have a childhood obesity problem in this country and no one ever asks "COULD IT BE THE FOOD?" people dont want to grow fresh anymore, they want easy and quick. I worked on an organic farm this summer and let m tell you, theres nothing easy about farming. Its so hard, and these farmers get so little out of it, pretty soon there will be no farms and we will be growing our food in test tubes..I cant imagine arguing for industries that take the Food out of farming.
Last year when the nation experienced record drought, the corn & beans grown in (let's say) the 60s would not have survived...just saying0 -
anyone that argues for gmos is a nut.
No, I just don't believe in your religion.
religion? its called common sense. I dont want genetically ALTERED food tyvm
Calling someone a 'nut' because they disagree with you isn't exactly common sense. It's inflammatory and if you don't want genetically altered food then that's fine. I don't care, just get out of my face if I do want genetically altered food.
Lol, good point, but I just dont understand arguing FOR scientists in a lab playing god with crops seeds. Who reaps the benefits? Is it our kids nutrition. Lets remember we have a childhood obesity problem in this country and no one ever asks "COULD IT BE THE FOOD?" people dont want to grow fresh anymore, they want easy and quick. I worked on an organic farm this summer and let m tell you, theres nothing easy about farming. Its so hard, and these farmers get so little out of it, pretty soon there will be no farms and we will be growing our food in test tubes..I cant imagine arguing for industries that take the Food out of farming.
Perhaps over consumption is the cause of obesity?
and perhaps its also whats IN the food we eat?
So if that was the case, there would be plenty of evidence of people eating in a deficit or maintenance yet getting fatter solely due to what's in their foods. Now is there such evidence?0 -
anyone that argues for gmos is a nut.
No, I just don't believe in your religion.
religion? its called common sense. I dont want genetically ALTERED food tyvm
Calling someone a 'nut' because they disagree with you isn't exactly common sense. It's inflammatory and if you don't want genetically altered food then that's fine. I don't care, just get out of my face if I do want genetically altered food.
Lol, good point, but I just dont understand arguing FOR scientists in a lab playing god with crops seeds. Who reaps the benefits? Is it our kids nutrition. Lets remember we have a childhood obesity problem in this country and no one ever asks "COULD IT BE THE FOOD?" people dont want to grow fresh anymore, they want easy and quick. I worked on an organic farm this summer and let m tell you, theres nothing easy about farming. Its so hard, and these farmers get so little out of it, pretty soon there will be no farms and we will be growing our food in test tubes..I cant imagine arguing for industries that take the Food out of farming.
Perhaps over consumption is the cause of obesity?
and perhaps its also whats IN the food we eat?
So if that was the case, there would be plenty of evidence of people eating in a deficit or maintenance yet getting fatter solely due to what's in their foods. Now is there such evidence?
There is corn, corn syrup in just about everything. Im sorry, I meant genetically modified corn and corn syrup...0 -
All of a sudden Im hungry.
A healthy debate makes me want a burger and fries from the local Grill0 -
GMO has the potential to save the environment though less intensive/harmful farming, biofuels, carbon sequestration... the possibilities are endless. Monsanto is not a great corporate steward, but the technology itself has loads of potential.0
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anyone that argues for gmos is a nut.
No, I just don't believe in your religion.
religion? its called common sense. I dont want genetically ALTERED food tyvm
Calling someone a 'nut' because they disagree with you isn't exactly common sense. It's inflammatory and if you don't want genetically altered food then that's fine. I don't care, just get out of my face if I do want genetically altered food.
Lol, good point, but I just dont understand arguing FOR scientists in a lab playing god with crops seeds. Who reaps the benefits? Is it our kids nutrition. Lets remember we have a childhood obesity problem in this country and no one ever asks "COULD IT BE THE FOOD?" people dont want to grow fresh anymore, they want easy and quick. I worked on an organic farm this summer and let m tell you, theres nothing easy about farming. Its so hard, and these farmers get so little out of it, pretty soon there will be no farms and we will be growing our food in test tubes..I cant imagine arguing for industries that take the Food out of farming.
Last year when the nation experienced record drought, the corn & beans grown in (let's say) the 60s would not have survived...just saying
so we take it upon ourselves to modify food even if its long term effects are still unknown? I just think GMO's will hit a wall sooner or later...we'll see I guess0 -
GMO makes things magically more calorically dense. Sounds legit.
It's not magical, and increasing caloric density of foods has been an objective of gene tinkering for thousands of years.0 -
GMO has the potential to save the environment though less intensive/harmful farming, biofuels, carbon sequestration... the possibilities are endless. Monsanto is not a great corporate steward, but the technology itself has loads of potential.
hmmm idk about that. And I think a lot of farmers would disagree.0 -
Lol, good point, but I just dont understand arguing FOR scientists in a lab playing god with crops seeds. Who reaps the benefits? Is it our kids nutrition. Lets remember we have a childhood obesity problem in this country and no one ever asks "COULD IT BE THE FOOD?" people dont want to grow fresh anymore, they want easy and quick. I worked on an organic farm this summer and let m tell you, theres nothing easy about farming. Its so hard, and these farmers get so little out of it, pretty soon there will be no farms and we will be growing our food in test tubes..I cant imagine arguing for industries that take the Food out of farming.
Technology and hybridization (and pesticides and fertilizers) have increased food production while requiring fewer and fewer farmers. Organic farming can feed the world, but only if everybody quit their jobs and farmed instead. Might be a better world, but I don't think it's one most people want.0 -
All of a sudden Im hungry.
A healthy debate makes me want a burger and fries from the local Grill
hey I dont see any food pics here!!!0 -
GMO has the potential to save the environment though less intensive/harmful farming, biofuels, carbon sequestration... the possibilities are endless. Monsanto is not a great corporate steward, but the technology itself has loads of potential.
hmmm idk about that. And I think a lot of farmers would disagree.
Speculation based on tinfoil had nonsense =/= evidence.
The only actual farmer in this discussion disagrees with you.0 -
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GMO has the potential to save the environment though less intensive/harmful farming, biofuels, carbon sequestration... the possibilities are endless. Monsanto is not a great corporate steward, but the technology itself has loads of potential.
hmmm idk about that. And I think a lot of farmers would disagree.
The fact that nearly all farmers of corn and soybeans use roundup-ready GMO crops to avoid the added work of tilling and weeding would seemingly contradict that statement. GMO crops allow no-till farming which reduces erosion, nutrient pollution, need for fertilizers, labor inputs, etc. Other GMO traits reduce the need for pesticides, making organic farming practices more productive.0 -
Lol, good point, but I just dont understand arguing FOR scientists in a lab playing god with crops seeds. Who reaps the benefits? Is it our kids nutrition. Lets remember we have a childhood obesity problem in this country and no one ever asks "COULD IT BE THE FOOD?" people dont want to grow fresh anymore, they want easy and quick. I worked on an organic farm this summer and let m tell you, theres nothing easy about farming. Its so hard, and these farmers get so little out of it, pretty soon there will be no farms and we will be growing our food in test tubes..I cant imagine arguing for industries that take the Food out of farming.
Technology and hybridization (and pesticides and fertilizers) have increased food production while requiring fewer and fewer farmers. Organic farming can feed the world, but only if everybody quit their jobs and farmed instead. Might be a better world, but I don't think it's one most people want.
Thats just it, what happens to family farms? The backbone of America? hmm did you know its illegal in a lot of towns to grow your own food on your own property?
http://www.motherearthnews.com/organic-gardening/illegal-gardening-zwfz1211zrob.aspx#axzz2Wb11YnnI0 -
If it ain't perfect, it ain't worth thinkin about!
Monsanto loves you.
Monsanto loves no one but their money.0 -
anyone that argues for gmos is a nut.
No, I just don't believe in your religion.
religion? its called common sense. I dont want genetically ALTERED food tyvm
Calling someone a 'nut' because they disagree with you isn't exactly common sense. It's inflammatory and if you don't want genetically altered food then that's fine. I don't care, just get out of my face if I do want genetically altered food.
Lol, good point, but I just dont understand arguing FOR scientists in a lab playing god with crops seeds. Who reaps the benefits? Is it our kids nutrition. Lets remember we have a childhood obesity problem in this country and no one ever asks "COULD IT BE THE FOOD?" people dont want to grow fresh anymore, they want easy and quick. I worked on an organic farm this summer and let m tell you, theres nothing easy about farming. Its so hard, and these farmers get so little out of it, pretty soon there will be no farms and we will be growing our food in test tubes..I cant imagine arguing for industries that take the Food out of farming.
Perhaps over consumption is the cause of obesity?
and perhaps its also whats IN the food we eat?
So if that was the case, there would be plenty of evidence of people eating in a deficit or maintenance yet getting fatter solely due to what's in their foods. Now is there such evidence?
There is corn, corn syrup in just about everything. Im sorry, I meant genetically modified corn and corn syrup...
So in and of itself, it can make you fat regardless of total caloric intake?0 -
GMO has the potential to save the environment though less intensive/harmful farming, biofuels, carbon sequestration... the possibilities are endless. Monsanto is not a great corporate steward, but the technology itself has loads of potential.
hmmm idk about that. And I think a lot of farmers would disagree.
Speculation based on tinfoil had nonsense =/= evidence.
The only actual farmer in this discussion disagrees with you.
My best friend for 20 years is a wheat farmer in Montana. The local farmers in Conrad are not pro GMO. laziness does not constitute forward thinking. Since when did everyone decide to buy what big business was selling?0
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