Health is more than body size. Don't use the scale to measure health.
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@UltimateRBF watch this - it's the current UK exercise promotion thingy
http://www.thisgirlcan.co.uk/0 -
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@UltimateRBF watch this - it's the current UK exercise promotion thingy
http://www.thisgirlcan.co.uk/
Yes. Much, much, more of this.
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Pinnacle_IAO wrote: »
BINGO!rainbowbow wrote: »Not sure how to say this is absolute bull#$%^ without coming off terribly terribly mean. Not worth the flags.
Oh my days... totally agree.
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@TheOwlhouseDesigns , exactly what power do you think anyone has to compel people to do anything other than what they will? Of course it's up to individuals to determine for themselves. One has a right to an opinion, though.0
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But sometimes it is wiser/better to keep opinions to your self0
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TheOwlhouseDesigns wrote: »But sometimes it is wiser/better to keep opinions to your self
Some people might have better outcomes than I did if they stayed away from running, and that would make me happy even if I annoyed some people.0 -
TheOwlhouseDesigns wrote: »But sometimes it is wiser/better to keep opinions to your self
Some people might have better outcomes than I did if they stay away from running and that would make me happy even if I annoyed some people.
You can also give them the wrong impression!
Because what you experienced doesn't mean it will happen to others.
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TheOwlhouseDesigns wrote: »But sometimes it is wiser/better to keep opinions to your self
Some people might have better outcomes than I did if they stayed away from running, and that would make me happy even if I annoyed some people.
IKR? Nothing makes me happier than convincing people to never try to achieve their goals and to live in fear of what might happen. Any day that I can convince somebody to just settle for mediocrity is a good day. Glad we agree on that0 -
TheOwlhouseDesigns wrote: »But sometimes it is wiser/better to keep opinions to your self
Some people might have better outcomes than I did if they stayed away from running, and that would make me happy even if I annoyed some people.
IKR? Nothing makes me happier than convincing people to never try to achieve their goals and to live in fear of what might happen. Any day that I can convince somebody to just settle for mediocrity is a good day. Glad we agree on that
+1 I need to go back to PPA(Project Pounds Away) and actively start discouraging people to lose weight, move more, etc. Fear over fight, just sit back and let it happen.
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Yeah i think i have to start telling people to stop eating salt...because I have problems with it!0
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I'm sorry but I thought the point of MFP was to help people reach their fitness goals not to belittle them for being "fat" or "overweight". If some people put as much energy into encouraging overweight people as they do putting them down there may be less of us "fat" people out there.0
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I don't regret anything I said..if it offended you then you have bigger problems. You take the article and image how you want to take it but to sit here and act like it encourages overweight people to exercise is far fetched lol..why doesn't it encourage them to make healthier choices to lose weight..
lazy to go back and quote but, no, I'm not bothered by overweight people, I don't give a *kitten* if they're overweight. I have family members who are overweight and whine about how unhappy they are with their weight but you know what? Showing them this picture and article isn't going to help them get up off the couch and exercise, that's for sure lol. They either want to change or they don't... I'm not going to sit here and act like being overweight is okay though. This idea that it encourages overweight people to exercise is ridiculous and is exactly what I mean by acceptance because exercise alone is not a "healthy" lifestyle.
Also to @fatgirlclub Good for you that your taking action. But like anywhere on the internet, people will have their own views and you will disagree. If you feel put down then, damn, build some tougher skin and go after your goals? It shouldn't make no difference what I or anyone else says..
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omg...leaves thread..enough is enough.0
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TheOwlhouseDesigns wrote: »But sometimes it is wiser/better to keep opinions to your self
Some people might have better outcomes than I did if they stayed away from running, and that would make me happy even if I annoyed some people.
IKR? Nothing makes me happier than convincing people to never try to achieve their goals and to live in fear of what might happen. Any day that I can convince somebody to just settle for mediocrity is a good day. Glad we agree on that
Running gets touted all over the place as being the "best cardio to lose weight" (highest calorie burn, free, slims legs down - have a google on the quoted phrase to see what comes up). The hype makes it sound really good to people who otherwise would be just as happy swimming or cycling or dancing. If people's goals mostly involve losing some weight and being more active, there are approximately 50 things I can think of that could accomplish that without ligament damage being a reasonably high probability (not just possibility). If people really want to be runners, they're obviously just going to do it. They'll do what they want anyway.0 -
Well, I suppose, fat people do flKittensMaster wrote: »The body is an organic machine with a cumulative stress and duty life.
Will you wear your out before disease gets you? Or lifestyle gets you via self imposed disease?
Some habits are more damaging than others. There is also the relative recuperative power that varies from person to person
I'm taking good care of my body to enjoy all aspects of life as much as I can.
If someone else decides to carry 40 lbs of fat and smoke, rock on brother. Your choices and your life
I like being able to roll out of bed and do a sprint triathslon with no prep/warning and complete it.
Your mileage may vary.
Well said!
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TheOwlhouseDesigns wrote: »But sometimes it is wiser/better to keep opinions to your self
Some people might have better outcomes than I did if they stayed away from running, and that would make me happy even if I annoyed some people.
IKR? Nothing makes me happier than convincing people to never try to achieve their goals and to live in fear of what might happen. Any day that I can convince somebody to just settle for mediocrity is a good day. Glad we agree on that
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UltimateRBF wrote: »williamwj2014 wrote: »
Thanks for that, o fount of wisdom.williamwj2014 wrote: »I don't regret anything I said..if it offended you then you have bigger problems. You take the article and image how you want to take it but to sit here and act like it encourages overweight people to exercise is far fetched lol..why doesn't it encourage them to make healthier choices to lose weight..
lazy to go back and quote but, no, I'm not bothered by overweight people, I don't give a *kitten* if they're overweight. I have family members who are overweight and whine about how unhappy they are with their weight but you know what? Showing them this picture and article isn't going to help them get up off the couch and exercise, that's for sure lol. They either want to change or they don't... I'm not going to sit here and act like being overweight is okay though. This idea that it encourages overweight people to exercise is ridiculous and is exactly what I mean by acceptance because exercise alone is not a "healthy" lifestyle.
Also to @fatgirlclub Good for you that your taking action. But like anywhere on the internet, people will have their own views and you will disagree. If you feel put down then, damn, build some tougher skin and go after your goals? It shouldn't make no difference what I or anyone else says..
People were offended because it was offensive. It's not about getting a thicker skin, it's about you being ignorant.
offensive in what way? Because I pointed out how being fat is unhealthy as did a lot of other people? Lol
For people that are overweight and unhappy- Quit playing the victim, nobody got you overweight but yourself. It's your own doing. Don't expect society to view you in the positive light and cater to your feelings. I'm sorry your sensitive when others have their own opinions. The best thing for you to do is to change those bad habits and work towards forming good, lifelong lasting habits...but i will not accept being fat as okay, EVER.
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TheOwlhouseDesigns wrote: »But sometimes it is wiser/better to keep opinions to your self
Some people might have better outcomes than I did if they stayed away from running, and that would make me happy even if I annoyed some people.
IKR? Nothing makes me happier than convincing people to never try to achieve their goals and to live in fear of what might happen. Any day that I can convince somebody to just settle for mediocrity is a good day. Glad we agree on that
Running gets touted all over the place as being the "best cardio to lose weight" (highest calorie burn, free, slims legs down - have a google on the quoted phrase to see what comes up). The hype makes it sound really good to people who otherwise would be just as happy swimming or cycling or dancing. If people's goals mostly involve losing some weight and being more active, there are approximately 50 things I can think of that could accomplish that without ligament damage being a reasonably high probability (not just possibility). If people really want to be runners, they're obviously just going to do it. They'll do what they want anyway.
I don't think anyone can accuse me of running around the forums touting the awesomeness of running. It's fairly well known that I'd rather get shot in the face than run a single mile. I don't think that ability to run X distance is the end all be all of fitness. I don't think running is THE way to lose weight.
And yet, nobody can accuse me of running around the forums discouraging people from running, either. If someone wants to run, go run. I'll give them what little I have to offer when it comes to running advice. I HATE running, but I'm willing to encourage people to run if that's what they want to do. So you trying to flag everyone away from it is patently ridiculous.
Injury rates? Whatever. I guess you've never played a single sport in your life. Because do you know what the injury rate for sports are? Any sport? It's 100%. Because if your do anything hard enough and long enough eventually you'll get some form of injury from it. Hell, secretaries develop overuse injuries. Are you going to neg everyone that wants to participate in a sport, too? You must be a blast at parties.
The other thing that's killing me here is how you keep saying that you don't want others to suffer the same injuries you have. That's.....wow. Just wow. I've read hundreds of your posts here in F&E since you arrived on MFP. I've answered a few of your questions. And the thing that stands out.....not to put too fine a point on it.....but you're injury prone. I'm not saying that as an insult. Heck, It's a running joke with my friends right now how often I get hurt doing stuff so I understand getting hurt so I'm not making fun of that at all.
But from your posts, you've gotten seriously injured from essentially every strenous endeavor you've engaged in. Hey, that happens, and I'm truly sorry it's been that way for you. But that makes you an outlier. To assume that *everyone else* is highly likely to suffer the same fate that you have if they try a particular activity is PREPOSTEROUS. just like if I sent people to the free weight section and expected them all to lift the same amounts as me and progress at the same rate as me. I don't do that. I give them advice *as it pertains to them*, not me, and then wish them the best of luck. It would be nice if you'd consider doing the same.
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williamwj2014 wrote: »
Why is kd Lang shirtless and yelling at me0 -
Alluminati wrote: »williamwj2014 wrote: »
Why is kd Lang shirtless and yelling at me
Wut.....even is that supposed to be?0 -
Alluminati wrote: »williamwj2014 wrote: »
Why is kd Lang shirtless and yelling at me
Wut.....even is that supposed to be?
Not sure but she seems mad.0 -
People were offended because it was offensive. It's not about getting a thicker skin, it's about you being ignorant.
offensive in what way? Because I pointed out how being fat is unhealthy as did a lot of other people? Lol
For people that are overweight and unhappy- Quit playing the victim, nobody got you overweight but yourself. It's your own doing. Don't expect society to view you in the positive light and cater to your feelings. I'm sorry your sensitive when others have their own opinions. The best thing for you to do is to change those bad habits and work towards forming good, lifelong lasting habits...but i will not accept being fat as okay, EVER.
I don't see anyone "playing the victim" here. My point was that people are here to get help, to lose weight, tone up, bulk up or whatever the case may be. MFP is a place that they should feel like they/we can go to for help not to get put down for being overweight. The #1 reason women fail at working out is because the fear of being judged!0 -
SarcasmIsMyLoveLanguage wrote: »http://www.vancouversun.com/health/Health+more+than+body+size+Dont+scale+measure+health+experts/11257544/story.html
Pasted from the article in case you don't want to click:
Erica Schenk has been a runner for 10 years, but a single snapshot of the curvy athlete may represent her most significant strides yet.
The plus-size model is captured mid-sprint as she covers the August issue of Women's Running. The latest edition is focused on body positivity and highlighting that runners' bodies don't all fit one specific mould.
Both the model and the magazine have made international headlines and earned widespread praise, with editor-in-chief Jessica Sebor calling the reaction "completely unanticipated."
Coupled with the kudos, she said they've also received emotional responses from women with larger bodies who said they hadn't felt accepted as runners, but can now "see themselves" on the cover because Schenk was showcased.
"We're such an image-driven culture," Sebor said from San Diego, Calif. "We assume we know everything about someone by looking at their picture and that's just not true.
"Health is about what you do — not about what you look like."
What's more, the "obsession" about body weight and composition has little to do with actual health, said Dr. Arya Sharma, chair in obesity research and management at the University of Alberta.
"We live in a society where people who happen to carry a few extra pounds are looked down upon and face a lot of bias and discrimination — especially as you come to higher BMIs — and that makes their lives miserable. It's not that they actually have health problems."
While many are quick to use weight as a key measure of fitness, Sharma said there are many misconceptions about what the numbers actually indicate.
"Stepping on a scale is not a measure of health. It can be a measure of risk for health problems," said Sharma.
"We do know some health problems become more common in people as they gain weight. But we've also learned that perfect health is also possible across a wide range of BMIs or body weights."
Determining whether excess weight will be a factor also can be related to genetic predisposition, such as diabetes or other weight-related health problems, he noted.
Sharma also notes on his website that abdominal fat is different than the fat accumulating on the hips or buttocks. Abdominal fat can be a major risk factor for diabetes, high blood pressure and abnormal cholesterol levels, and can lead to heart disease and stroke.
"We also know that health behaviours are much more important than the weight on the scale," said Sharma, founder and scientific director of the Canadian Obesity Network.
"What will determine your health ultimately is going to be your fitness level, the amount of sleep that you get, how you feel about yourself, the quality of your diet.
"You could be doing all of those things right with no impact on your body weight and still be a lot healthier than you are now."
Michelle Pitman is vice-president international for the Association of Size Diversity and Health. The professional organization is committed to the Health At Every Size principles, which support acceptance of people regardless of size or shape.
"Health is more than just body size," said Pitman, wellness coach with Define Me Wellness.
Pitman said if she's seeing a new client who wants to lose weight to be healthier, she seeks to help them reframe what health means to them.
"Think about weight in terms of an outcome as opposed to a behaviour. Things like: 'I want to have improved energy,' 'I want to have a better sex life,' 'I want to complete this 10K race for a sense of personal accomplishment' — and taking weight out of the equation."
Thoughts?
Sounds like something a Fat Person (who is not inclined to put down the fork) would say.
And her salient point rings true with your post.
"We're such an image-driven culture," Sebor said from San Diego, Calif. "We assume we know everything about someone by looking at their picture and that's just not true.
How would you like it, if you were seen as a number only, or only seen for being white, black, indian, <insert ethnicity, religion, or creed here> ?
How would you like it, if someone was on the forum stating that all men are < insert logical fallacy here> ?
How would you like it, if you were judged by how others act and look, instead of being judged by who you are and what you do?
Martin Luther King once said, "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/m/martinluth115056.html#3pV0Iy5tpELYMxKW.99
People that are overweight are individuals dissolving of respect. And they should be judged no differently than anyone else. And people that are overweight can be more fit than others with a smaller frame etc.
And just because a person is overweight, that doesn't necessarily mean that he or she didn't know how to put down the fork.
The point of the picture and article seems to be getting lost on those who seem to conveniently forget that they are imperfect beings, even if their body is toned to some arbitrary level of acceptance by the hip and with it crowd.
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williamwj2014 wrote: »Trying to justify being fat and saying that its not about the number on the scale..okay. When it comes to running, that number on the scale matters, a lot. It might be mean to say but the girl in the picture in that article is not healthy as much as she'd like to believe she is. She's overweight. Let's be realistic, please. 10 years of running..wtf? Did it ever occur to her that being lighter would be easier on her joints..I'm so tired of society trying to have acceptance about everything..society is too sensitive. She's not healthy. She's not fit. She's overweight for crying out loud. The article screams "HEY, YOU CAN RUN AND EAT DONUTS TOO!" Running is a good way to lose weight but this article is bull sh8t in the sense it screams acceptance...
The article doesn't scream that at all. The scream you hear, is your own projected voice being placed over what the article is actually saying.
From the article: "We're such an image-driven culture," Sebor said from San Diego, Calif. "We assume we know everything about someone by looking at their picture and that's just not true.
"Health is about what you do — not about what you look like."
And your post is another example of the truth from the article.0
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