All pills are not snake oil

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  • Alluminati
    Alluminati Posts: 6,208 Member
    edited August 2015
    Azexas wrote: »

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  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,432 MFP Moderator
    Jozzmenia wrote: »

    I don't think there's in conversation in here that hasn't been had. But you're dammed if you do damned if you don't unless you're posting a "how hot is the person above you" thread apparently. If you post on an old topic they're like "we had this conversation already look it up" but if you do that and comment they're like "why are you reopening this old thread" smh apparently the boards have to go only the exact way certain people say.

    I take solace in all the private messages from people, which I just discovered you can get today, who agree with me and have been put off by the bullying and negative attitudes. "Cico cult" as someone called it, that's a new one but made me laugh. But wouldn't encourage them to post their concerns publicly they know they'll just be called obese snake oil salesman or made up friends. It's okay though. People are more comfortable around like minded people and it's easier to push away people who disagree than to be accepting of differences so i can't expect better from such a large group.

    There isn't a CICO cult. CICO is a mathematical equation that all bodies abide by. But what many of us understand, that science suggest that most pills are absolutely worthless. If you actually posted a thread regarding specific supplements or provided any type of scientific proof, this thread would be much different.
  • nutmegoreo
    nutmegoreo Posts: 15,532 Member
    I don't know what repels bears but I know it's not beets. Fact. Bears eat beets.

    That's great information! I love beets, but not in bear country (not anymore). Sometimes knowing what not to do is more important than knowing what to do (kinda like this thread). :laugh:

    richln wrote: »

    I think skittles could make a decent tiger and bear repellent. Bengal tigers attack their prey by sneaking up from behind, which is why people working in the areas where tigers live will wear masks on the backs of their heads to repel tigers. So you should be able to construct a decent tiger repellent "mask" by gluing skittles to the back of your head in the shape of a face. Maybe you could use snake oil as the glue? To repel bears, I recommend you construct a noisemaker out of your skittles so the bears hear you coming and you don't accidentally sneak up on a bear and surprise them.
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    Fortunately, I am clumsy enough that I'm not likely to sneak up on any bear.

    Unfortunately, I am not very artistic, and my snake oil/skittle face would likely look a lot like this:

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    Would that work?
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  • CSARdiver
    CSARdiver Posts: 6,252 Member

    That is my other favorite. 70s sci-fi/horror at it's best.

    And I HATED that stupid azzed remake they did a few years ago.

    Alien, Predator, The Thing (I don't even recognize the other failed attempt and fell asleep in the theater) - all favs.

    When I was stationed at McMurdo during a winter over we lost comms with one of the outlying stations - and yes, a camp of Norwegian scientists. We demanded flamethrowers before starting any Search and Rescue mission. The entire sortie was nothing but The Thing quotes.
  • senecarr
    senecarr Posts: 5,377 Member
    edited August 2015

    Oh there's totally a cult. Didn't you get the group text? We're doing a ceremony at midnight tonight under the light of the moon. Bring cookies.
    And be sure the cookies are each individually weighed and all the macros written on the container.
  • auddii
    auddii Posts: 15,357 Member

    Oh there's totally a cult. Didn't you get the group text? We're doing a ceremony at midnight tonight under the light of the moon. Bring cookies.

    This is especially hilarious since it's a new moon tonight...
  • DeguelloTex
    DeguelloTex Posts: 6,652 Member
    edited August 2015
    CSARdiver wrote: »

    Alien, Predator, The Thing (I don't even recognize the other failed attempt and fell asleep in the theater) - all favs.

    When I was stationed at McMurdo during a winter over we lost comms with one of the outlying stations - and yes, a camp of Norwegian scientists. We demanded flamethrowers before starting any Search and Rescue mission. The entire sortie was nothing but The Thing quotes.
    I guess that's the one scenario in which Holy Grail and Airplane quotes would rightfully take a back seat. Unless it was something like, "Looks like I picked the wrong week to get possessed by an alien" or "Are you suggesting Things migrate?"
  • Debmal77
    Debmal77 Posts: 4,770 Member

    Oh there's totally a cult. Didn't you get the group text? We're doing a ceremony at midnight tonight under the light of the moon. Bring cookies.

    Don't forget the goat.
  • DeguelloTex
    DeguelloTex Posts: 6,652 Member
    Debmal77 wrote: »

    Don't forget the goat.
    That's the keto cult.
  • robspot
    robspot Posts: 130 Member
    Stop telling the truth you vicious b*stards!!

    It's not fair that you're trying to stop people going through the same mistakes you did. Why should they have an easy ride?!

    OP, if you really want to discuss pills, I suggest you join bodybuilding.com They would happily inject stuff in their eyeballs if someone says it's good. You'll fit right in.
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,432 MFP Moderator

    Oh there's totally a cult. Didn't you get the group text? We're doing a ceremony at midnight tonight under the light of the moon. Bring cookies.

    I will bring the double stuff oreos.. but generally, they don't allows mods to come.. Apparently, we don't play well with others.
  • jkal1979
    jkal1979 Posts: 1,896 Member

    Oh there's totally a cult. Didn't you get the group text? We're doing a ceremony at midnight tonight under the light of the moon. Bring cookies.

    Can I come if I bring some Talenti?
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  • Jozzmenia
    Jozzmenia Posts: 252 Member
    That's my
    psulemon wrote: »

    There isn't a CICO cult. CICO is a mathematical equation that all bodies abide by. But what many of us understand, that science suggest that most pills are absolutely worthless. If you actually posted a thread regarding specific supplements or provided any type of scientific proof, this thread would be much different.

    Yea that's my point. This thread wasn't about specific supplements people just somehow assumed that was my agenda.
  • Alluminati
    Alluminati Posts: 6,208 Member
    Cico cult? Gee, I wonder who could've called it that :D
  • Jozzmenia
    Jozzmenia Posts: 252 Member
    That's my
    psulemon wrote: »

    There isn't a CICO cult. CICO is a mathematical equation that all bodies abide by. But what many of us understand, that science suggest that most pills are absolutely worthless. If you actually posted a thread regarding specific supplements or provided any type of scientific proof, this thread would be much different.

    Yea that's my point. This thread wasn't about specific supplements people just somehow assumed that was my agenda.
  • Jozzmenia
    Jozzmenia Posts: 252 Member

    Xanax, Ambien, methadone, Dilaudid and the like have risks, absolutely. They are prescribed under a Dr's close supervision.
    But they're actual medications that have been actually proven to work for treating actual legitimate serious health conditions.
    The fact you'd rather see a family member waste their time with useless green tea pills or something but wouldn't want them to see relief from say, crippling anxiety or insomnia or severe pain or opiate addiction because-Oh No, Big Pharma!
    Is disturbing.

    Xanax, Ambien, methadone, Dilaudid and the like have risks, absolutely. They are prescribed under a Dr's close supervision.
    But they're actual medications that have been actually proven to work for treating actual legitimate serious health conditions.
    The fact you'd rather see a family member waste their time with useless green tea pills or something but wouldn't want them to see relief from say, crippling anxiety or insomnia or severe pain or opiate addiction because-Oh No, Big Pharma!
    Is disturbing.

    You can be disturbed if you want to. The number of prescription meds my brother was given for lupus and the damage it caused is even more disturbing. So is the accident my friend got in when she didn't know she was driving while on ambien. And so is the fact that people think if it's prescribed it's automatically ok. Michael Jackson thought the same thing.
  • Jozzmenia
    Jozzmenia Posts: 252 Member
    And don't get me st

    Xanax, Ambien, methadone, Dilaudid and the like have risks, absolutely. They are prescribed under a Dr's close supervision.
    But they're actual medications that have been actually proven to work for treating actual legitimate serious health conditions.
    The fact you'd rather see a family member waste their time with useless green tea pills or something but wouldn't want them to see relief from say, crippling anxiety or insomnia or severe pain or opiate addiction because-Oh No, Big Pharma!
    Is disturbing.

    And don't get me started on methadone. You have no clue.
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,432 MFP Moderator
    edited August 2015
    Jozzmenia wrote: »
    That's my
    Yea that's my point. This thread wasn't about specific supplements people just somehow assumed that was my agenda.

    Within the entire 15 pages of your rant, you never clearly defined what you mean by pills. And in those 15 pages, many of us explained which supplements work (and are proven by science - caffeine, creatine, whey, vitamins associated with deficiencies) and which ones don't work (green tea extracts, fat burners, etc..). The issue is, you continuously put all pills in categories. Which is wrong.


    And at this point, I don't even know what the point of this thread is anymore as nothing was ever clearly defined. But if you want to clarify any of the 50 unanswered questions, we would love to listen.

  • Jozzmenia
    Jozzmenia Posts: 252 Member
    And oh my God close supervision? You nw

    Xanax, Ambien, methadone, Dilaudid and the like have risks, absolutely. They are prescribed under a Dr's close supervision.
    But they're actual medications that have been actually proven to work for treating actual legitimate serious health conditions.
    The fact you'd rather see a family member waste their time with useless green tea pills or something but wouldn't want them to see relief from say, crippling anxiety or insomnia or severe pain or opiate addiction because-Oh No, Big Pharma!
    Is disturbing.

    And oh my God, close supervision? You better damn well trust your doc with your life like Michael did. you HAVE to know there are tons of docs that overprescribe. I used to think people with medical marijuana cards had terminal illnesses only. Ha! That's naivety at it's finest.
  • janejellyroll
    janejellyroll Posts: 25,763 Member
    Jozzmenia wrote: »

    You can be disturbed if you want to. The number of prescription meds my brother was given for lupus and the damage it caused is even more disturbing. So is the accident my friend got in when she didn't know she was driving while on ambien. And so is the fact that people think if it's prescribed it's automatically ok. Michael Jackson thought the same thing.

    So the solution for that is to ensure that people are educated on the risks of prescription drugs -- not to block access to those drugs for people who could truly benefit from them. My brother has an anxiety disorder. Prescription drugs, along with therapy, allowed him to resume his normal life. He shouldn't have them because Michael Jackson was a drug addict who paid doctors to bend the rules for him?
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,432 MFP Moderator
    Jozzmenia wrote: »

    You can be disturbed if you want to. The number of prescription meds my brother was given for lupus and the damage it caused is even more disturbing. So is the accident my friend got in when she didn't know she was driving while on ambien. And so is the fact that people think if it's prescribed it's automatically ok. Michael Jackson thought the same thing.

    No, people understand the risk associated with perscription drugs. It's literally on the bottle or included in the package you get. That same thing is NOT applied to supplements. My friend is a pediatric cardiologist and she can't even begin to tell you how many of her patients come into the practice because they developed heart issues taking supplements. So yea, supplements are just as bad.

  • janejellyroll
    janejellyroll Posts: 25,763 Member
    psulemon wrote: »

    No, people understand the risk associated with perscription drugs. It's literally on the bottle or included in the package you get. That same thing is NOT applied to supplements. My friend is a pediatric cardiologist and she can't even begin to tell you how many of her patients come into the practice because they developed heart issues taking supplements. So yea, supplements are just as bad.

    Not to mention the people who may harm themselves taking supplements (due to false promises/advertising) instead of seeking proper medical care.
  • snickerscharlie
    snickerscharlie Posts: 8,578 Member
    edited August 2015
    My supplement of choice

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  • auddii
    auddii Posts: 15,357 Member
    Jozzmenia wrote: »
    And oh my God close supervision? You nw
    And oh my God, close supervision? You better damn well trust your doc with your life like Michael did. you HAVE to know there are tons of docs that overprescribe. I used to think people with medical marijuana cards had terminal illnesses only. Ha! That's naivety at it's finest.

    Are you honestly using Michael Jackson to support why people should not take prescription drugs? Really?
  • Jozzmenia
    Jozzmenia Posts: 252 Member
    I've alrrw
    psulemon wrote: »

    Within the entire 15 pages of your rant, you never clearly defined what you mean by pills. And in those 15 pages, many of us explained which supplements work (and are proven by science - caffeine, creatine, whey, vitamins associated with deficiencies) and which ones don't work (green tea extracts, fat burners, etc..). The issue is, you continuously put all pills in categories. Which is wrong.


    And at this point, I don't even know what the point of this thread is anymore as nothing was ever clearly defined. But if you want to clarify any of the 50 unanswered questions, we would love to listen.

    I've already said i don't support any supplements. I don't know enough about them to make any claims. I don't claim to be an expert like people have said i do. I have had success with adipex and metabolife but don't recommend due to the risks and side effects. I think people could have a different approach to their advising if they really care about new people listening. I think it's reckless to comment on things you're not informed about.

    Other than that what question do you feel is unanswered?
  • diannethegeek
    diannethegeek Posts: 14,776 Member
    "All pills are not snake oil." That's the title of this thread. Did anyone else have to take a basic logic course in college? Because if "all pills are not snake oil" is true, then we can reason that there are no pills that are snake oil. Except that the OP seems to think that there are pills that are snake oil; she just believes that they're the kind prescribed by doctors and supplements are safe and okay. And now I'm confused and thinking that this thread is headed into very dangerous advice territory.
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