Fast food?
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Liftng4Lis wrote: »You guys are talking about McD's. Seriously! How bout a :
Whaaat?!? Honestly, a five guy burger with everything. I think it's 1,000 calories. Eat one, grab a hammock.
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Alluminati wrote: »thorsmom01 wrote: »I have no problems finding fast food items that fit in my calories and macros. Especially Wendy's! They have delicious salads , which are fresh and tasty ! They have bottled waters , or diet colas , and have a wonderful baked potato that really tastes good . I'm sure there's many other things like sandwiches that can fit into almost any calorie allotment. ( I'm just not much of a sandwich eater but have seen many friends on here fit in a burger and fries !! )
Plain baked potato and small chili is my go to. Decent cals and filling.
I liked the chili until I read that they use meat scraps in it. Totally turned me off...
I think my issue with Wendy's salad is that they didn't have any low calorie dressing when I checked, and I hate dry salad.0 -
If you download the app for smartphone you can access the nutritional information easily. Also, if you download McDonalds app now, they are offering a free Sandwich of your choice. I'm not a huge fan, but I'll take a free Sandwich lol0
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_Terrapin_ wrote: »Liftng4Lis wrote: »You guys are talking about McD's. Seriously! How bout a :
Whaaat?!? Honestly, a five guy burger with everything. I think it's 1,000 calories. Eat one, grab a hammock.
There is a 5 guys near the Capitol where a lot of madison races end and that's where I go, right afterward
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_Terrapin_ wrote: »Liftng4Lis wrote: »You guys are talking about McD's. Seriously! How bout a :
Whaaat?!? Honestly, a five guy burger with everything. I think it's 1,000 calories. Eat one, grab a hammock.
There is a 5 guys near the Capitol where a lot of madison races end and that's where I go, right afterward
There's one right next to my gym. Used to love it. Haven't been back in 2.5 years.
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_Terrapin_ wrote: »Liftng4Lis wrote: »You guys are talking about McD's. Seriously! How bout a :
Whaaat?!? Honestly, a five guy burger with everything. I think it's 1,000 calories. Eat one, grab a hammock.
There is a 5 guys near the Capitol where a lot of madison races end and that's where I go, right afterward
Very very smart person right here. Do they have a sign telling you where the potatoes come from?
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_Terrapin_ wrote: »_Terrapin_ wrote: »Liftng4Lis wrote: »You guys are talking about McD's. Seriously! How bout a :
Whaaat?!? Honestly, a five guy burger with everything. I think it's 1,000 calories. Eat one, grab a hammock.
There is a 5 guys near the Capitol where a lot of madison races end and that's where I go, right afterward
Very very smart person right here. Do they have a sign telling you where the potatoes come from?
Mine does.0 -
ExRelaySprinter wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »because I like the way mcdonalds tastes. and Wendy's and popeyes and taco bell and dominos and qdoba
I do plenty of cooking on my own but I like the taste of fast food too
and mcgriddles: happy syrupy bacon goodness
Wendy's Spicy Chicken Sandwich w/ Cheese is amazing. I'll work that into my budget any time I have the chance!
Oh dear and sweet popeyes
I.effing. 
. U
Also, for what it's worth, since we're talking about nutrition, it's not like my chicken sandwich from Wendy's has no nutritional value. The way I get it (no mayo, add cheese), it has 550 calories with 35g of protein, 21g of fat, and 58g of carbs. The calories are high, but that's why I eat them on days when I've worked hard. To say you don't get any nutrients from fast food is to show a clear misunderstanding of how this all works.
I agree with this^^.
There are certain Burgers that have a good amount of Protein in them.
Plus, there are days when you just want a day off from cooking from scratch.
There's no harm in eating fast food occasionally.
Any protein value in a meal that is less than 30g is a value of empty calories. You may as well be drinking beer. Your body can't use less than that amount for protein synthesis to reverse the catabolic state you are in by lunchtime. Check out Dr. Layman's research on protein and carbs. It is quite fascinating.
Dr. Layman is Professor Emeritus at Illinois University. He has his own nutrition lab out there, and focuses on metabolism of protein and carbohydrates.
Check out this site, scroll down about halfway to the video of his speech. If you have the time, it is about one hour, but it is definitely educational regarding weight loss and lean mass.http://www.ketogenic-diet-resource.com/daily-protein-requirement.html
If you go watch, watch all the way through, otherwise, you won't have full context.0 -
What is so bad about subway? Honesty question, I thought it was a healthy choice?
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UltimateRBF wrote: »RockstarWilson wrote: »Any protein value in a meal that is less than 30g is a value of empty calories. You may as well be drinking beer. Your body can't use less than that amount for protein synthesis. Check out Dr. Layman's research on protein and carbs. It is quite fascinating.
Can you post links to some of this research? That claim sounds um, far fetched. Let's go with that. But I'd be interested in reading this Dr. Layman all the same.
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I'm surprised so many people are strictly about calories and not fat, carbs, etc. when talking about fast food. Since I've been logging and have mfp premium I've been watching those numbers a lot more, and fast food seems to be sky high in sodium. I don't have blood pressure issues but don't want to either, and since I got some tips from a nutritionist on how to watch fiber vs. sugar content on labels, I feel like a lot of things are loaded with sugar too. So I wasn't just thinking calories. I grabbed something in my calorie limits for the day but just felt like I was eating slop after not eating fast food for so long. I feel like their salads are so flimsy with iceberg lettuce but admittedly haven't had one in awhile. the calories were posted in the restaurant but the rest I was going online and when I found something with decent calories the rest of the numbers seemed off and a lot higher than what mfp was telling me for the day. that's been my biggest challenge balancing out the protein/fat/carbs. I get to the end of the day and it's like "hmmmm I need 20 more grams of protein but can't have any more fat or sodium!" things like that.
Well, no-one appears to be talking about exclusively eating fast food for every single meal. It's about the wider context, tracking macros and micros for every single thing I put in my mouth would make me give up on the whole weight loss thing pretty fast, it's just too tedious a way to live. The odd burger, fries, restaurant meal, take out, pizza etc is not going to make me drop down dead.
I personally track my calories primarily and just keep an eye on everything else. Just my approach to not make things too much of a chore. Eating has to remain a pleasure when at a deficit for me.
As for Five Guys, we have some in London and I am so looking forward to trying when I start uni soon as there's one sort of nearby!0 -
Any "doctor" who thinks protein converts to glucose or fat because it's not a certain amount? Quite suspect.0
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If I eat McDonald's I usually do an Egg White Delight McMuffin for breakfast (hold the Canadian bacon), or a Fruit and Yogurt Parfait.
For lunch/dinner, I'll usually do one of their grilled chicken salads or a grilled chicken sandwich (no mayo). On a more rare occasion I might do one of their small child's size hamburgers.0 -
I had a filet-o-fish two weeks ago and was still hungry after, it was like eating air.
That's the thing with eating one of their burgers - not filling to me either (on their own).
I normally have to have medium fries as well or sometimes even another burger on top! Lol
But when that happens, i just exercise more the following day.
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RockstarWilson wrote: »ExRelaySprinter wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »because I like the way mcdonalds tastes. and Wendy's and popeyes and taco bell and dominos and qdoba
I do plenty of cooking on my own but I like the taste of fast food too
and mcgriddles: happy syrupy bacon goodness
Wendy's Spicy Chicken Sandwich w/ Cheese is amazing. I'll work that into my budget any time I have the chance!
Oh dear and sweet popeyes I.effing. . U
Also, for what it's worth, since we're talking about nutrition, it's not like my chicken sandwich from Wendy's has no nutritional value. The way I get it (no mayo, add cheese), it has 550 calories with 35g of protein, 21g of fat, and 58g of carbs. The calories are high, but that's why I eat them on days when I've worked hard. To say you don't get any nutrients from fast food is to show a clear misunderstanding of how this all works.
I agree with this^^.
There are certain Burgers that have a good amount of Protein in them.
Plus, there are days when you just want a day off from cooking from scratch.
There's no harm in eating fast food occasionally.
Any protein value in a meal that is less than 30g is a value of empty calories. You may as well be drinking beer. Your body can't use less than that amount for protein synthesis to reverse the catabolic state you are in by lunchtime. Check out Dr. Layman's research on protein and carbs. It is quite fascinating.
Dr. Layman is Professor Emeritus at Illinois University. He has his own nutrition lab out there, and focuses on metabolism of protein and carbohydrates.
Check out this site, scroll down about halfway to the video of his speech. If you have the time, it is about one hour, but it is definitely educational regarding weight loss and lean mass.http://www.ketogenic-diet-resource.com/daily-protein-requirement.html
If you go watch, watch all the way through, otherwise, you won't have full context.
Actually, the research is probably fine but the conclusion by the web site is absolutely incorrect. Leucine is the amino that is used in the synthesis of skeletal muscles, this is well known. The idea in the paper is that you need 4.5g of leucine rich food to optimize protein synthesis. What he actually says in his paper, which is only an overview of some other research, is that you should space out your protein intake, 90g+, evenly over 3 meals for reasons of saiety and sufficiency and to maximize protein synthesis in muscles, which is probably a minimal amount of difference in reality.
The silly statement on the keto website you link (re: <30g of protein is converted to carbs) is not found in the research paper nor would be a reasonable conclusion to draw from it. You can find the full text here: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2666737/ What it really said was that you need over 30g of protein that is rich in leucine to maximize skeletal muscle synthesis, which is a completely different conclusion.
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If I'm hungry I stop at McDonalds...my go to: McChicken sandwich with an ice water: No mayo, add tomato. It's 350 calories before my edits, so it always fits in my calorie budget.0
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But watching a video is easier than actually reading and comprehending...Wheelhouse15 wrote: »RockstarWilson wrote: »ExRelaySprinter wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »because I like the way mcdonalds tastes. and Wendy's and popeyes and taco bell and dominos and qdoba
I do plenty of cooking on my own but I like the taste of fast food too
and mcgriddles: happy syrupy bacon goodness
Wendy's Spicy Chicken Sandwich w/ Cheese is amazing. I'll work that into my budget any time I have the chance!
Oh dear and sweet popeyes I.effing. . U
Also, for what it's worth, since we're talking about nutrition, it's not like my chicken sandwich from Wendy's has no nutritional value. The way I get it (no mayo, add cheese), it has 550 calories with 35g of protein, 21g of fat, and 58g of carbs. The calories are high, but that's why I eat them on days when I've worked hard. To say you don't get any nutrients from fast food is to show a clear misunderstanding of how this all works.
I agree with this^^.
There are certain Burgers that have a good amount of Protein in them.
Plus, there are days when you just want a day off from cooking from scratch.
There's no harm in eating fast food occasionally.
Any protein value in a meal that is less than 30g is a value of empty calories. You may as well be drinking beer. Your body can't use less than that amount for protein synthesis to reverse the catabolic state you are in by lunchtime. Check out Dr. Layman's research on protein and carbs. It is quite fascinating.
Dr. Layman is Professor Emeritus at Illinois University. He has his own nutrition lab out there, and focuses on metabolism of protein and carbohydrates.
Check out this site, scroll down about halfway to the video of his speech. If you have the time, it is about one hour, but it is definitely educational regarding weight loss and lean mass.http://www.ketogenic-diet-resource.com/daily-protein-requirement.html
If you go watch, watch all the way through, otherwise, you won't have full context.
Actually, the research is probably fine but the conclusion by the web site is absolutely incorrect. Leucine is the amino that is used in the synthesis of skeletal muscles, this is well known. The idea in the paper is that you need 4.5g of leucine rich food to optimize protein synthesis. What he actually says in his paper, which is only an overview of some other research, is that you should space out your protein intake, 90g+, evenly over 3 meals for reasons of saiety and sufficiency and to maximize protein synthesis in muscles, which is probably a minimal amount of difference in reality.
The silly statement on the keto website you link (re: <30g of protein is converted to carbs) is not found in the research paper nor would be a reasonable conclusion to draw from it. You can find the full text here: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2666737/ What it really said was that you need over 30g of protein that is rich in leucine to maximize skeletal muscle synthesis, which is a completely different conclusion.0 -
But watching a video is easier than actually reading and comprehending...Wheelhouse15 wrote: »RockstarWilson wrote: »ExRelaySprinter wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »because I like the way mcdonalds tastes. and Wendy's and popeyes and taco bell and dominos and qdoba
I do plenty of cooking on my own but I like the taste of fast food too
and mcgriddles: happy syrupy bacon goodness
Wendy's Spicy Chicken Sandwich w/ Cheese is amazing. I'll work that into my budget any time I have the chance!
Oh dear and sweet popeyes I.effing. . U
Also, for what it's worth, since we're talking about nutrition, it's not like my chicken sandwich from Wendy's has no nutritional value. The way I get it (no mayo, add cheese), it has 550 calories with 35g of protein, 21g of fat, and 58g of carbs. The calories are high, but that's why I eat them on days when I've worked hard. To say you don't get any nutrients from fast food is to show a clear misunderstanding of how this all works.
I agree with this^^.
There are certain Burgers that have a good amount of Protein in them.
Plus, there are days when you just want a day off from cooking from scratch.
There's no harm in eating fast food occasionally.
Any protein value in a meal that is less than 30g is a value of empty calories. You may as well be drinking beer. Your body can't use less than that amount for protein synthesis to reverse the catabolic state you are in by lunchtime. Check out Dr. Layman's research on protein and carbs. It is quite fascinating.
Dr. Layman is Professor Emeritus at Illinois University. He has his own nutrition lab out there, and focuses on metabolism of protein and carbohydrates.
Check out this site, scroll down about halfway to the video of his speech. If you have the time, it is about one hour, but it is definitely educational regarding weight loss and lean mass.http://www.ketogenic-diet-resource.com/daily-protein-requirement.html
If you go watch, watch all the way through, otherwise, you won't have full context.
Actually, the research is probably fine but the conclusion by the web site is absolutely incorrect. Leucine is the amino that is used in the synthesis of skeletal muscles, this is well known. The idea in the paper is that you need 4.5g of leucine rich food to optimize protein synthesis. What he actually says in his paper, which is only an overview of some other research, is that you should space out your protein intake, 90g+, evenly over 3 meals for reasons of saiety and sufficiency and to maximize protein synthesis in muscles, which is probably a minimal amount of difference in reality.
The silly statement on the keto website you link (re: <30g of protein is converted to carbs) is not found in the research paper nor would be a reasonable conclusion to draw from it. You can find the full text here: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2666737/ What it really said was that you need over 30g of protein that is rich in leucine to maximize skeletal muscle synthesis, which is a completely different conclusion.
What is the hour long video going to tell me?!? Can't I just eat 29 grams of Protein at each meal to get the 'empty calories'? Why do people insist on misquoting Professors?!? Is there an agenda out there? Is this thing turned on?
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janejellyroll wrote: »Presumably the person eating the Quarter Pounder is also eating other things that day. Things that have nutrients. According to a search I just did, it has 417 calories. It isn't that hard to fit a 417 calorie sandwich into a day's plan, especially when it has 24 grams of protein, 22% of the RDA for iron, and other assorted nutrients.
Depends! If you're short, "old" and sedentary (desk job), like me, 417 calories is a sizable chunk of CI out of my day. So, for me, it's best to be selective about when, how and how much fast food I decide on.
Which is very different from a blanket declaration that a fast food burger is a poor choice. If 417 calories is a big part of your daily calorie budget (which I understand it can be for people who are more sedentary and/or smaller), you'll have to be careful about any item around 400 calories to make sure you're meeting your nutritional needs. This doesn't really have anything to do with fast food.0 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »RockstarWilson wrote: »ExRelaySprinter wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »because I like the way mcdonalds tastes. and Wendy's and popeyes and taco bell and dominos and qdoba
I do plenty of cooking on my own but I like the taste of fast food too
and mcgriddles: happy syrupy bacon goodness
Wendy's Spicy Chicken Sandwich w/ Cheese is amazing. I'll work that into my budget any time I have the chance!
Oh dear and sweet popeyes I.effing. . U
Also, for what it's worth, since we're talking about nutrition, it's not like my chicken sandwich from Wendy's has no nutritional value. The way I get it (no mayo, add cheese), it has 550 calories with 35g of protein, 21g of fat, and 58g of carbs. The calories are high, but that's why I eat them on days when I've worked hard. To say you don't get any nutrients from fast food is to show a clear misunderstanding of how this all works.
I agree with this^^.
There are certain Burgers that have a good amount of Protein in them.
Plus, there are days when you just want a day off from cooking from scratch.
There's no harm in eating fast food occasionally.
Any protein value in a meal that is less than 30g is a value of empty calories. You may as well be drinking beer. Your body can't use less than that amount for protein synthesis to reverse the catabolic state you are in by lunchtime. Check out Dr. Layman's research on protein and carbs. It is quite fascinating.
Dr. Layman is Professor Emeritus at Illinois University. He has his own nutrition lab out there, and focuses on metabolism of protein and carbohydrates.
Check out this site, scroll down about halfway to the video of his speech. If you have the time, it is about one hour, but it is definitely educational regarding weight loss and lean mass.http://www.ketogenic-diet-resource.com/daily-protein-requirement.html
If you go watch, watch all the way through, otherwise, you won't have full context.
Actually, the research is probably fine but the conclusion by the web site is absolutely incorrect. Leucine is the amino that is used in the synthesis of skeletal muscles, this is well known. The idea in the paper is that you need 4.5g of leucine rich food to optimize protein synthesis. What he actually says in his paper, which is only an overview of some other research, is that you should space out your protein intake, 90g+, evenly over 3 meals for reasons of saiety and sufficiency and to maximize protein synthesis in muscles, which is probably a minimal amount of difference in reality.
The silly statement on the keto website you link (re: <30g of protein is converted to carbs) is not found in the research paper nor would be a reasonable conclusion to draw from it. You can find the full text here: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2666737/ What it really said was that you need over 30g of protein that is rich in leucine to maximize skeletal muscle synthesis, which is a completely different conclusion.
Hence why the author of the article lists research in contrast to his claims, and why I told you to watch the video. I said nothing about the actual article.
But once again, someone thinks a website is "silly" because they don't agree with everything on it. Go figure.0 -
But watching a video is easier than actually reading and comprehending...Wheelhouse15 wrote: »RockstarWilson wrote: »ExRelaySprinter wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »because I like the way mcdonalds tastes. and Wendy's and popeyes and taco bell and dominos and qdoba
I do plenty of cooking on my own but I like the taste of fast food too
and mcgriddles: happy syrupy bacon goodness
Wendy's Spicy Chicken Sandwich w/ Cheese is amazing. I'll work that into my budget any time I have the chance!
Oh dear and sweet popeyes I.effing. . U
Also, for what it's worth, since we're talking about nutrition, it's not like my chicken sandwich from Wendy's has no nutritional value. The way I get it (no mayo, add cheese), it has 550 calories with 35g of protein, 21g of fat, and 58g of carbs. The calories are high, but that's why I eat them on days when I've worked hard. To say you don't get any nutrients from fast food is to show a clear misunderstanding of how this all works.
I agree with this^^.
There are certain Burgers that have a good amount of Protein in them.
Plus, there are days when you just want a day off from cooking from scratch.
There's no harm in eating fast food occasionally.
Any protein value in a meal that is less than 30g is a value of empty calories. You may as well be drinking beer. Your body can't use less than that amount for protein synthesis to reverse the catabolic state you are in by lunchtime. Check out Dr. Layman's research on protein and carbs. It is quite fascinating.
Dr. Layman is Professor Emeritus at Illinois University. He has his own nutrition lab out there, and focuses on metabolism of protein and carbohydrates.
Check out this site, scroll down about halfway to the video of his speech. If you have the time, it is about one hour, but it is definitely educational regarding weight loss and lean mass.http://www.ketogenic-diet-resource.com/daily-protein-requirement.html
If you go watch, watch all the way through, otherwise, you won't have full context.
Actually, the research is probably fine but the conclusion by the web site is absolutely incorrect. Leucine is the amino that is used in the synthesis of skeletal muscles, this is well known. The idea in the paper is that you need 4.5g of leucine rich food to optimize protein synthesis. What he actually says in his paper, which is only an overview of some other research, is that you should space out your protein intake, 90g+, evenly over 3 meals for reasons of saiety and sufficiency and to maximize protein synthesis in muscles, which is probably a minimal amount of difference in reality.
The silly statement on the keto website you link (re: <30g of protein is converted to carbs) is not found in the research paper nor would be a reasonable conclusion to draw from it. You can find the full text here: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2666737/ What it really said was that you need over 30g of protein that is rich in leucine to maximize skeletal muscle synthesis, which is a completely different conclusion.
The video has a visual aid that demonstrates the trials he has completed, explains what people who do not have a PhD in Nutrition Science might not understand, and gives an increased amount of related statistics.
Also notice that I asked you to watch the hourlong video that relates to Dr. Layman, whose views on protein intake are in contrast to the author's claims. I said nothing about analyzing the original article.
Dr. Layman does say that you should eat more than 30 g protein at each meal (up to a certain amount) to make leucine readily available. He says that if you eat less than 30 grams of protein at each meal, muscle protein synthesis does not occur (there is a threshold), some of the proteins get transported to organ function (I think-i have to review), but the rest get broken down and converted to glucose. If the glucose is not used, then it gets stored as fat.0 -
RockstarWilson wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »RockstarWilson wrote: »ExRelaySprinter wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »because I like the way mcdonalds tastes. and Wendy's and popeyes and taco bell and dominos and qdoba
I do plenty of cooking on my own but I like the taste of fast food too
and mcgriddles: happy syrupy bacon goodness
Wendy's Spicy Chicken Sandwich w/ Cheese is amazing. I'll work that into my budget any time I have the chance!
Oh dear and sweet popeyes I.effing. . U
Also, for what it's worth, since we're talking about nutrition, it's not like my chicken sandwich from Wendy's has no nutritional value. The way I get it (no mayo, add cheese), it has 550 calories with 35g of protein, 21g of fat, and 58g of carbs. The calories are high, but that's why I eat them on days when I've worked hard. To say you don't get any nutrients from fast food is to show a clear misunderstanding of how this all works.
I agree with this^^.
There are certain Burgers that have a good amount of Protein in them.
Plus, there are days when you just want a day off from cooking from scratch.
There's no harm in eating fast food occasionally.
Any protein value in a meal that is less than 30g is a value of empty calories. You may as well be drinking beer. Your body can't use less than that amount for protein synthesis to reverse the catabolic state you are in by lunchtime. Check out Dr. Layman's research on protein and carbs. It is quite fascinating.
Dr. Layman is Professor Emeritus at Illinois University. He has his own nutrition lab out there, and focuses on metabolism of protein and carbohydrates.
Check out this site, scroll down about halfway to the video of his speech. If you have the time, it is about one hour, but it is definitely educational regarding weight loss and lean mass.http://www.ketogenic-diet-resource.com/daily-protein-requirement.html
If you go watch, watch all the way through, otherwise, you won't have full context.
Actually, the research is probably fine but the conclusion by the web site is absolutely incorrect. Leucine is the amino that is used in the synthesis of skeletal muscles, this is well known. The idea in the paper is that you need 4.5g of leucine rich food to optimize protein synthesis. What he actually says in his paper, which is only an overview of some other research, is that you should space out your protein intake, 90g+, evenly over 3 meals for reasons of saiety and sufficiency and to maximize protein synthesis in muscles, which is probably a minimal amount of difference in reality.
The silly statement on the keto website you link (re: <30g of protein is converted to carbs) is not found in the research paper nor would be a reasonable conclusion to draw from it. You can find the full text here: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2666737/ What it really said was that you need over 30g of protein that is rich in leucine to maximize skeletal muscle synthesis, which is a completely different conclusion.
Hence why the author of the article lists research in contrast to his claims, and why I told you to watch the video. I said nothing about the actual article.
But once again, someone thinks a website is "silly" because they don't agree with everything on it. Go figure.
Yep it's silly and unsupported by any primary sources, but you are indoctrinated so have fun with it. Again, nothing in that source paper that he published backs this claim or even makes this claim -- that was only an assumption by the blogger and went far beyond the support of the data. Read the paper and show me where anywhere it says that <30g of protein at one time is converted to carbs.
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First, let's call fast food what it really is: junk!
It's mostly empty calories from highly processed foods that are just unhealthy.
I go to KFC, McD, Burger King, Taco Bell, Pizza Hut...or wherever...you name it...
...and it's never to eat healthy. It's a fabulous treat and an enjoyable experience where I celebrate life like a marathon runner enjoying a cheap cigar and a beer after a solid training session.
A beer and a cigar have no purpose toward physical health and overall wellness, but sometimes life is just to be lived.
If you eat fast food garbage, go in and enjoy, but go in with eyes wide open.
Don't ever lie to yourself and call that junk healthy.0 -
RockstarWilson wrote: »
But watching a video is easier than actually reading and comprehending...Wheelhouse15 wrote: »RockstarWilson wrote: »ExRelaySprinter wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »because I like the way mcdonalds tastes. and Wendy's and popeyes and taco bell and dominos and qdoba
I do plenty of cooking on my own but I like the taste of fast food too
and mcgriddles: happy syrupy bacon goodness
Wendy's Spicy Chicken Sandwich w/ Cheese is amazing. I'll work that into my budget any time I have the chance!
Oh dear and sweet popeyes I.effing. . U
Also, for what it's worth, since we're talking about nutrition, it's not like my chicken sandwich from Wendy's has no nutritional value. The way I get it (no mayo, add cheese), it has 550 calories with 35g of protein, 21g of fat, and 58g of carbs. The calories are high, but that's why I eat them on days when I've worked hard. To say you don't get any nutrients from fast food is to show a clear misunderstanding of how this all works.
I agree with this^^.
There are certain Burgers that have a good amount of Protein in them.
Plus, there are days when you just want a day off from cooking from scratch.
There's no harm in eating fast food occasionally.
Any protein value in a meal that is less than 30g is a value of empty calories. You may as well be drinking beer. Your body can't use less than that amount for protein synthesis to reverse the catabolic state you are in by lunchtime. Check out Dr. Layman's research on protein and carbs. It is quite fascinating.
Dr. Layman is Professor Emeritus at Illinois University. He has his own nutrition lab out there, and focuses on metabolism of protein and carbohydrates.
Check out this site, scroll down about halfway to the video of his speech. If you have the time, it is about one hour, but it is definitely educational regarding weight loss and lean mass.http://www.ketogenic-diet-resource.com/daily-protein-requirement.html
If you go watch, watch all the way through, otherwise, you won't have full context.
Actually, the research is probably fine but the conclusion by the web site is absolutely incorrect. Leucine is the amino that is used in the synthesis of skeletal muscles, this is well known. The idea in the paper is that you need 4.5g of leucine rich food to optimize protein synthesis. What he actually says in his paper, which is only an overview of some other research, is that you should space out your protein intake, 90g+, evenly over 3 meals for reasons of saiety and sufficiency and to maximize protein synthesis in muscles, which is probably a minimal amount of difference in reality.
The silly statement on the keto website you link (re: <30g of protein is converted to carbs) is not found in the research paper nor would be a reasonable conclusion to draw from it. You can find the full text here: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2666737/ What it really said was that you need over 30g of protein that is rich in leucine to maximize skeletal muscle synthesis, which is a completely different conclusion.
The video has a visual aid that demonstrates the trials he has completed, explains what people who do not have a PhD in Nutrition Science might not understand, and gives an increased amount of related statistics.
Also notice that I asked you to watch the hourlong video that relates to Dr. Layman, whose views on protein intake are in contrast to the author's claims. I said nothing about analyzing the original article.
Dr. Layman does say that you should eat more than 30 g protein at each meal (up to a certain amount) to make leucine readily available. He says that if you eat less than 30 grams of protein at each meal, muscle protein synthesis does not occur (there is a threshold), some of the proteins get transported to organ function (I think-i have to review), but the rest get broken down and converted to glucose. If the glucose is not used, then it gets stored as fat.
Again you not correctly respresenting the conclusions presented in the paper, which make me think you have never read it. He said that <30g was SUBOPTIMAL not that there was no synthesis at all. Where are you getting these satements? Certainly not in the primary sources or even Dr Layman's paper itself.0 -
Pinnacle_IAO wrote: »First, let's call fast food what it really is: junk!
It's mostly empty calories from highly processed foods that are just unhealthy.
I go to KFC, McD, Burger King, Taco Bell, Pizza Hut...or wherever...you name it...
...and it's never to eat healthy. It's a fabulous treat and an enjoyable experience where I celebrate life like a marathon runner enjoying a cheap cigar and a beer after a solid training session.
A beer and a cigar has no purpose toward physical health and overall wellness, but sometimes life is just to be lived.
If you eat fast food garbage, go in and enjoy, but go in with eyes wide open.
Don't ever lie to yourself and call that junk healthy.
Could you check out the calories and macro/micro breakdowns I gave for my "junk" fast food sandwich and tell me why it's "just unhealthy" "garbage?"0 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »RockstarWilson wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »RockstarWilson wrote: »ExRelaySprinter wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »because I like the way mcdonalds tastes. and Wendy's and popeyes and taco bell and dominos and qdoba
I do plenty of cooking on my own but I like the taste of fast food too
and mcgriddles: happy syrupy bacon goodness
Wendy's Spicy Chicken Sandwich w/ Cheese is amazing. I'll work that into my budget any time I have the chance!
Oh dear and sweet popeyes I.effing. . U
Also, for what it's worth, since we're talking about nutrition, it's not like my chicken sandwich from Wendy's has no nutritional value. The way I get it (no mayo, add cheese), it has 550 calories with 35g of protein, 21g of fat, and 58g of carbs. The calories are high, but that's why I eat them on days when I've worked hard. To say you don't get any nutrients from fast food is to show a clear misunderstanding of how this all works.
I agree with this^^.
There are certain Burgers that have a good amount of Protein in them.
Plus, there are days when you just want a day off from cooking from scratch.
There's no harm in eating fast food occasionally.
Any protein value in a meal that is less than 30g is a value of empty calories. You may as well be drinking beer. Your body can't use less than that amount for protein synthesis to reverse the catabolic state you are in by lunchtime. Check out Dr. Layman's research on protein and carbs. It is quite fascinating.
Dr. Layman is Professor Emeritus at Illinois University. He has his own nutrition lab out there, and focuses on metabolism of protein and carbohydrates.
Check out this site, scroll down about halfway to the video of his speech. If you have the time, it is about one hour, but it is definitely educational regarding weight loss and lean mass.http://www.ketogenic-diet-resource.com/daily-protein-requirement.html
If you go watch, watch all the way through, otherwise, you won't have full context.
Actually, the research is probably fine but the conclusion by the web site is absolutely incorrect. Leucine is the amino that is used in the synthesis of skeletal muscles, this is well known. The idea in the paper is that you need 4.5g of leucine rich food to optimize protein synthesis. What he actually says in his paper, which is only an overview of some other research, is that you should space out your protein intake, 90g+, evenly over 3 meals for reasons of saiety and sufficiency and to maximize protein synthesis in muscles, which is probably a minimal amount of difference in reality.
The silly statement on the keto website you link (re: <30g of protein is converted to carbs) is not found in the research paper nor would be a reasonable conclusion to draw from it. You can find the full text here: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2666737/ What it really said was that you need over 30g of protein that is rich in leucine to maximize skeletal muscle synthesis, which is a completely different conclusion.
Hence why the author of the article lists research in contrast to his claims, and why I told you to watch the video. I said nothing about the actual article.
But once again, someone thinks a website is "silly" because they don't agree with everything on it. Go figure.
Yep it's silly and unsupported by any primary sources, but you are indoctrinated so have fun with it. Again, nothing in that source paper that he published backs this claim or even makes this claim -- that was only an assumption by the blogger and went far beyond the support of the data. Read the paper and show me where anywhere it says that <30g of protein at one time is converted to carbs.
The NCBI article on Dr. Layman's research is from 2009. I have read it, and he does state in the paper that having less than 30 grams at a meal doesn't contribute to synthesis, as dictated by leucine:
" Adults require a minimum of 15 g of EAA or at least 30 g of total protein to fully stimulate skeletal muscle protein synthesis [21,25]. This response appears to be determined by the EAA leucine which serves as a critical signal for triggering initiation of muscle protein synthesis. Leucine has been well characterized as a unique regulator of the insulin-mTOR signal pathway controlling synthesis of muscle proteins "
This was his hypothesis after looking at multiple data.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4KlLmxPDTuQ
The video is from 2013, after he was able to run both animal and human trials. HIS research, as you will observe in the video (yes, there is reading to do in the video) backs up the hypothesis he made in 2009. He was able to measure synthesis happening at various intake levels, establishing a curve of how much will occur after each meal, and how long between meals before the body returns to a catabolic state.0 -
No, if you're cool with it, so am I.tincanonastring wrote: »Pinnacle_IAO wrote: »First, let's call fast food what it really is: junk!
It's mostly empty calories from highly processed foods that are just unhealthy.
I go to KFC, McD, Burger King, Taco Bell, Pizza Hut...or wherever...you name it...
...and it's never to eat healthy. It's a fabulous treat and an enjoyable experience where I celebrate life like a marathon runner enjoying a cheap cigar and a beer after a solid training session.
A beer and a cigar has no purpose toward physical health and overall wellness, but sometimes life is just to be lived.
If you eat fast food garbage, go in and enjoy, but go in with eyes wide open.
Don't ever lie to yourself and call that junk healthy.
Could you check out the calories and macro/micro breakdowns I gave for my "junk" fast food sandwich and tell me why it's "just unhealthy" "garbage?"
Your health goals are your own, so eat and enjoy.
It helps me to call the stuff junk, because it falls outside my definition of "clean eating" -->> lean meats, fish, fresh fruits and veggies, nuts, whole grained, home baked stuff, beans, raw, whole dairy and whole eggs.
That's the ideal I strive toward without turning that into a religion you must join.
Again, enjoy your sandwich, and if I am ever in your town, I'll put you to shame at Taco Bell!
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Wheelhouse15 wrote: »RockstarWilson wrote: »
But watching a video is easier than actually reading and comprehending...Wheelhouse15 wrote: »RockstarWilson wrote: »ExRelaySprinter wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »because I like the way mcdonalds tastes. and Wendy's and popeyes and taco bell and dominos and qdoba
I do plenty of cooking on my own but I like the taste of fast food too
and mcgriddles: happy syrupy bacon goodness
Wendy's Spicy Chicken Sandwich w/ Cheese is amazing. I'll work that into my budget any time I have the chance!
Oh dear and sweet popeyes I.effing. . U
Also, for what it's worth, since we're talking about nutrition, it's not like my chicken sandwich from Wendy's has no nutritional value. The way I get it (no mayo, add cheese), it has 550 calories with 35g of protein, 21g of fat, and 58g of carbs. The calories are high, but that's why I eat them on days when I've worked hard. To say you don't get any nutrients from fast food is to show a clear misunderstanding of how this all works.
I agree with this^^.
There are certain Burgers that have a good amount of Protein in them.
Plus, there are days when you just want a day off from cooking from scratch.
There's no harm in eating fast food occasionally.
Any protein value in a meal that is less than 30g is a value of empty calories. You may as well be drinking beer. Your body can't use less than that amount for protein synthesis to reverse the catabolic state you are in by lunchtime. Check out Dr. Layman's research on protein and carbs. It is quite fascinating.
Dr. Layman is Professor Emeritus at Illinois University. He has his own nutrition lab out there, and focuses on metabolism of protein and carbohydrates.
Check out this site, scroll down about halfway to the video of his speech. If you have the time, it is about one hour, but it is definitely educational regarding weight loss and lean mass.http://www.ketogenic-diet-resource.com/daily-protein-requirement.html
If you go watch, watch all the way through, otherwise, you won't have full context.
Actually, the research is probably fine but the conclusion by the web site is absolutely incorrect. Leucine is the amino that is used in the synthesis of skeletal muscles, this is well known. The idea in the paper is that you need 4.5g of leucine rich food to optimize protein synthesis. What he actually says in his paper, which is only an overview of some other research, is that you should space out your protein intake, 90g+, evenly over 3 meals for reasons of saiety and sufficiency and to maximize protein synthesis in muscles, which is probably a minimal amount of difference in reality.
The silly statement on the keto website you link (re: <30g of protein is converted to carbs) is not found in the research paper nor would be a reasonable conclusion to draw from it. You can find the full text here: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2666737/ What it really said was that you need over 30g of protein that is rich in leucine to maximize skeletal muscle synthesis, which is a completely different conclusion.
The video has a visual aid that demonstrates the trials he has completed, explains what people who do not have a PhD in Nutrition Science might not understand, and gives an increased amount of related statistics.
Also notice that I asked you to watch the hourlong video that relates to Dr. Layman, whose views on protein intake are in contrast to the author's claims. I said nothing about analyzing the original article.
Dr. Layman does say that you should eat more than 30 g protein at each meal (up to a certain amount) to make leucine readily available. He says that if you eat less than 30 grams of protein at each meal, muscle protein synthesis does not occur (there is a threshold), some of the proteins get transported to organ function (I think-i have to review), but the rest get broken down and converted to glucose. If the glucose is not used, then it gets stored as fat.
Again you not correctly respresenting the conclusions presented in the paper, which make me think you have never read it. He said that <30g was SUBOPTIMAL not that there was no synthesis at all. Where are you getting these satements? Certainly not in the primary sources or even Dr Layman's paper itself.
The indications from his research in laboratory trials are that, sure, some will occur, but not for very long before you return to a catabolic state (I.e. your body starts breaking down muscle again).
Watching the video expands on what Dr. Layman is saying, and explains the research he has been working on in regards to that hypothesis. It is new research, and he does say that it will most definitely be met with opposition (as all things related to change or that counter government claims).
I am possibly going to use this research to eat just below maintenance. I will be reading up on this, along with what foods promote the most protein synthesis as well as satiety. My goal is to basically transform my body without losing much weight by optimising protein synthesis, building lbm while shedding fat.
He says the problem with most high carbohydrate diets where the person is in a calorie deficit is that they mark down the protein proportionally (I.e. As a percentage of calories). That leads to both fat loss and LBM loss. By maximizing protein synthesis through personal experimentation guided by the research, one can actually lose weight without losing ANY lean tissue.0 -
Pinnacle_IAO wrote: »
No, if you're cool with it, so am I.tincanonastring wrote: »Pinnacle_IAO wrote: »First, let's call fast food what it really is: junk!
It's mostly empty calories from highly processed foods that are just unhealthy.
I go to KFC, McD, Burger King, Taco Bell, Pizza Hut...or wherever...you name it...
...and it's never to eat healthy. It's a fabulous treat and an enjoyable experience where I celebrate life like a marathon runner enjoying a cheap cigar and a beer after a solid training session.
A beer and a cigar has no purpose toward physical health and overall wellness, but sometimes life is just to be lived.
If you eat fast food garbage, go in and enjoy, but go in with eyes wide open.
Don't ever lie to yourself and call that junk healthy.
Could you check out the calories and macro/micro breakdowns I gave for my "junk" fast food sandwich and tell me why it's "just unhealthy" "garbage?"
Your health goals are your own, so eat and enjoy.
It helps me to call the stuff junk, because it falls outside my definition of "clean eating" -->> lean meats, fish, fresh fruits and veggies, nuts, whole grained, home baked stuff, beans, raw, whole dairy and whole eggs.
That's the ideal I strive toward without turning that into a religion you must join.
Again, enjoy your sandwich, and if I am ever in your town, I'll put you to shame at Taco Bell!
If you can't explain why it is "junk" and "garbage," I am not sure why you would insist that we call it "junk" because that is what it really is.
Having your own personal definition that isn't supported by any facts is okay, I guess. But why must others join you? Why am I lying to myself if I disagree with your personal definition of "clean eating"?0
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