The low calorie liquid diet (LCLD) part 2
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"999tigger wrote: »Maybe read the thread or look into the program thats been linked and then youd realise your post is way off. Dont let that stop you though.
Ignoring your gratuitous sarcasm, I will say that I read weezy's profile link wherein she stated she had eight pounds to lose. PERIOD! That, in and of itself, indicates less than bariatric surgery standards. Obviously, if she is even being considered for surgery, she is far more than a little overweight. Thanks for your rudeness, though. Oh! And, the 2 and a half year old article linked in the OP is a sales pitch.0 -
daniwilford wrote: »
It is foreign to me. As my spouse or I worked for health care providers, we have had excellent insurance at very low costs. For many years we were covered by a HMO which sounds similar to what you have said. I still would not consider it personal or private information to share the names of providers or facilities.29_adjacent wrote: »daniwilford wrote: »I love my Doctor and would be happy to recommend any one in Lincoln, NE see, Michael Sayers MD. I am happy with Bryan Medical Centers, the hospitals were I have been treated. I love my Physical Therapist, Danna Smith at Center for Spine and Sports Medicine. It must really be different there in the UK, here in the US giving out the names of great medical providers is encouraged by the medical providers. I am shocked that anyone thinks it would be imprudent to share the names of professionals and facilities who provide medical care.
I imagine that's because they want extra business, right? That's not how our healthcare works in the UK. We don't "shop around" for our healthcare - we just go to one of our local GPs/hospitals. We don't have TV commercials for cancer drugs etc telling us to ask our doctor to prescribe that particular drug - our doctors prescribe what they think is best for us. We don't pay for most healthcare (there are exceptions like prescriptions from your GP, although those are also 'free' in Scotland where I live) in the same way people in the US do. We 'pay' through our taxes and then get 'free' healthcare when we need it - no having to worry about finding thousands of pounds to pay for cancer treatment etc should we need it or having insurance to cover it. I don't see what the benefit would be of the OP giving out the name of her doctor/nurse? How would everyone here knowing the name of some doctor/nurse in some hospital somewhere in the UK make any difference?
Perhaps it's not necessarily "personal" information but what would be the POINT in giving out that information? Why do people want to know the name of a random nurse in a hospital somewhere? What would that achieve? I have to admit it if I was the OP and random strangers on the internet asked me to tell them my doctor's name/which hospital I was being treated at I would be hesitant to give that information out... Because WHY do they want to know? Is having that information somehow going to magically make someone able to check if this diet she's on is legit or not??
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As post29_adjacent wrote: »daniwilford wrote: »
It is foreign to me. As my spouse or I worked for health care providers, we have had excellent insurance at very low costs. For many years we were covered by a HMO which sounds similar to what you have said. I still would not consider it personal or private information to share the names of providers or facilities.29_adjacent wrote: »daniwilford wrote: »I love my Doctor and would be happy to recommend any one in Lincoln, NE see, Michael Sayers MD. I am happy with Bryan Medical Centers, the hospitals were I have been treated. I love my Physical Therapist, Danna Smith at Center for Spine and Sports Medicine. It must really be different there in the UK, here in the US giving out the names of great medical providers is encouraged by the medical providers. I am shocked that anyone thinks it would be imprudent to share the names of professionals and facilities who provide medical care.
I imagine that's because they want extra business, right? That's not how our healthcare works in the UK. We don't "shop around" for our healthcare - we just go to one of our local GPs/hospitals. We don't have TV commercials for cancer drugs etc telling us to ask our doctor to prescribe that particular drug - our doctors prescribe what they think is best for us. We don't pay for most healthcare (there are exceptions like prescriptions from your GP, although those are also 'free' in Scotland where I live) in the same way people in the US do. We 'pay' through our taxes and then get 'free' healthcare when we need it - no having to worry about finding thousands of pounds to pay for cancer treatment etc should we need it or having insurance to cover it. I don't see what the benefit would be of the OP giving out the name of her doctor/nurse? How would everyone here knowing the name of some doctor/nurse in some hospital somewhere in the UK make any difference?
Perhaps it's not necessarily "personal" information but what would be the POINT in giving out that information? Why do people want to know the name of a random nurse in a hospital somewhere? What would that achieve? I have to admit it if I was the OP and random strangers on the internet asked me to tell them my doctor's name/which hospital I was being treated at I would be hesitant to give that information out... Because WHY do they want to know? Is having that information somehow going to magically make someone able to check if this diet she's on is legit or not??
As posters are questioning the veracity of some of the statements that the OP was making, giving names would lend a great deal of credibility of the claim that the OP is under medical supervision.0 -
daniwilford wrote: »
It is foreign to me. As my spouse or I worked for health care providers, we have had excellent insurance at very low costs. For many years we were covered by a HMO which sounds similar to what you have said. I still would not consider it personal or private information to share the names of providers or facilities.29_adjacent wrote: »daniwilford wrote: »I love my Doctor and would be happy to recommend any one in Lincoln, NE see, Michael Sayers MD. I am happy with Bryan Medical Centers, the hospitals were I have been treated. I love my Physical Therapist, Danna Smith at Center for Spine and Sports Medicine. It must really be different there in the UK, here in the US giving out the names of great medical providers is encouraged by the medical providers. I am shocked that anyone thinks it would be imprudent to share the names of professionals and facilities who provide medical care.
I imagine that's because they want extra business, right? That's not how our healthcare works in the UK. We don't "shop around" for our healthcare - we just go to one of our local GPs/hospitals. We don't have TV commercials for cancer drugs etc telling us to ask our doctor to prescribe that particular drug - our doctors prescribe what they think is best for us. We don't pay for most healthcare (there are exceptions like prescriptions from your GP, although those are also 'free' in Scotland where I live) in the same way people in the US do. We 'pay' through our taxes and then get 'free' healthcare when we need it - no having to worry about finding thousands of pounds to pay for cancer treatment etc should we need it or having insurance to cover it. I don't see what the benefit would be of the OP giving out the name of her doctor/nurse? How would everyone here knowing the name of some doctor/nurse in some hospital somewhere in the UK make any difference?
ETA: Just as I would not find it to personal to give the name of my mail carrier.
Because doctors don't really put their name above the door, or name their clinic or run a commercial enterprise. She probably went to her nearest hospital where they have a department that deals with obesity. There will be doctors on shift rotations who see patients who will have a range of options to offer dictated by their trust (overall management of local hospitals). There is no value in naming her doctor or nurse because you can't go to Google and get reviews about them, our health system just doesn't work like that. If it's a teaching or research hospital with a leading specialist in a field then name dropping may be interesting but otherwise you won't glean anything useful from her disclosing.
She may be willing to say which trust she's being treated under and then you can look at their bariatric guidance, as I did generically and spoke about earlier in the thread. Some trusts include solids in their diet, some liquid only, some with soup, some with this milk based diet the OP is doing.
Labouring the point when it's been covered by several people isn't really helpful, particularly if you have no idea how our health service works.0 -
Ah I see thanks. Id think it was more a matter of privacy as it would narrow her down to a small area to a stranger on the internet, but its likely to just be the OP and someone else might have no problem referring you to which their local practice is. That said the healthcare market is different in the UK and we build a close relationship with our local GP, further professionals are recruited in via them. I cnat see the point in needing to know as its a standardised program they have made available in different areas. Its not nationwide.
Therw would be nothing to sop you contacting the clinic to ask questions, but it would be unusual for a patient in the S of England to ask a GP in Scotland when that could be handled closer to home by a number of alternatives. The man running the studies and who has a good oversight into the area appears to be Professor Mike Lean, a human nutrition expert in the School of Medicine at Glasgow University.
His details are here
http://www.gla.ac.uk/schools/medicine/staff/mikelean/#/biography
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But if you had actually read the thread, you would know that she can't deal with long term goals, and so she sets small, short term goals that will be updated frequently.ReeseG4350 wrote: »"999tigger wrote: »Maybe read the thread or look into the program thats been linked and then youd realise your post is way off. Dont let that stop you though.
Ignoring your gratuitous sarcasm, I will say that I read weezy's profile link wherein she stated she had eight pounds to lose. PERIOD! That, in and of itself, indicates less than bariatric surgery standards. Obviously, if she is even being considered for surgery, she is far more than a little overweight. Thanks for your rudeness, though. Oh! And, the 2 and a half year old article linked in the OP is a sales pitch.
Or you could just continue to yell at the OP for something that makes no sense in the context of her actual situation.
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VintageFeline wrote: »daniwilford wrote: »
It is foreign to me. As my spouse or I worked for health care providers, we have had excellent insurance at very low costs. For many years we were covered by a HMO which sounds similar to what you have said. I still would not consider it personal or private information to share the names of providers or facilities.29_adjacent wrote: »daniwilford wrote: »I love my Doctor and would be happy to recommend any one in Lincoln, NE see, Michael Sayers MD. I am happy with Bryan Medical Centers, the hospitals were I have been treated. I love my Physical Therapist, Danna Smith at Center for Spine and Sports Medicine. It must really be different there in the UK, here in the US giving out the names of great medical providers is encouraged by the medical providers. I am shocked that anyone thinks it would be imprudent to share the names of professionals and facilities who provide medical care.
I imagine that's because they want extra business, right? That's not how our healthcare works in the UK. We don't "shop around" for our healthcare - we just go to one of our local GPs/hospitals. We don't have TV commercials for cancer drugs etc telling us to ask our doctor to prescribe that particular drug - our doctors prescribe what they think is best for us. We don't pay for most healthcare (there are exceptions like prescriptions from your GP, although those are also 'free' in Scotland where I live) in the same way people in the US do. We 'pay' through our taxes and then get 'free' healthcare when we need it - no having to worry about finding thousands of pounds to pay for cancer treatment etc should we need it or having insurance to cover it. I don't see what the benefit would be of the OP giving out the name of her doctor/nurse? How would everyone here knowing the name of some doctor/nurse in some hospital somewhere in the UK make any difference?
ETA: Just as I would not find it to personal to give the name of my mail carrier.
Because doctors don't really put their name above the door, or name their clinic or run a commercial enterprise. She probably went to her nearest hospital where they have a department that deals with obesity. There will be doctors on shift rotations who see patients who will have a range of options to offer dictated by their trust (overall management of local hospitals). There is no value in naming her doctor or nurse because you can't go to Google and get reviews about them, our health system just doesn't work like that. If it's a teaching or research hospital with a leading specialist in a field then name dropping may be interesting but otherwise you won't glean anything useful from her disclosing.
She may be willing to say which trust she's being treated under and then you can look at their bariatric guidance, as I did generically and spoke about earlier in the thread. Some trusts include solids in their diet, some liquid only, some with soup, some with this milk based diet the OP is doing.
Labouring the point when it's been covered by several people isn't really helpful, particularly if you have no idea how our health service works.
THANK YOU! I could not understand what her giving her doctor's name out would achieve. Like, it makes no sense to my British brain lol! I guess it just comes down to the vast differences between the UK and US healthcare systems...0 -
ReeseG4350 wrote: »"999tigger wrote: »Maybe read the thread or look into the program thats been linked and then youd realise your post is way off. Dont let that stop you though.
Ignoring your gratuitous sarcasm, I will say that I read weezy's profile link wherein she stated she had eight pounds to lose. PERIOD! That, in and of itself, indicates less than bariatric surgery standards. Obviously, if she is even being considered for surgery, she is far more than a little overweight. Thanks for your rudeness, though. Oh! And, the 2 and a half year old article linked in the OP is a sales pitch.
But if youd read the thread then maybe you would have learned useful information.
The OP has stated her weight and height which tells us she is morbidly obese. Uo will see she was already questioned about her profule and confirmed it was inaccurate, but reading the thread seems to be too much for you.
You will also see posted the guidelines for whne the NHS will consider bariatric surgery.
You will also see that this diet is menat as an alternative to stave off ever having to contemplate bariatric surgery. yes I know you are busy trying to sue people and geting rid of practice certificates.
And you will see the article is actually linked to a published research in the Journal of General practice, but I doubt you bothered to read that either.
Clearly youd rather just spout off on something that bears no resemblance to the conversation thats going on and the OPs actual situation.
For people interested in the context, then the UK is facing a major obesity crisis that threatens the NHS and its ability to cope as well as the resources available. They have been looking at liquid diets as an alternative to the more drastic and expensive surgery as its cheaper and more accessable. the research shows its 1/4-1/3 of the price and just as effective for many with a BMI over 35. For people with a BMI under 35 they have been offering weight watchers. They are keen to help people lose weight becayse in the long run an obese person is likely to have many more medical complications which cost the system £.
As part of the research they are encouraging long term sustainability and there us a program of support teaching them standard weight management, nutrution and food control that people on MFP wuld be more comfortable with. The evidence from the research shows its reasonably effective for the target market in helping keep weight off, but I was surprised how modest the weight losses were. They are still significant enough to reduce peoples risk of diabetes another one of their conderns.0 -
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I am not the brightest bulb so please forgive me as I try to sort all the facts out so far. Lets see if this sum up the thread so far:
5'2 UK female that started at 16st2 wants to get down to 9st (has PCOS).
Goes to clinic, and clinic (or nurse) says do this liquid 1000-1200 calorie diet for four weeks to "kick start weightloss"
One week on and half a stone lost.
Other info- Not really a candidate of surgery though seems to be something she desires. Also has no scale and that could have been an issue in earlier failed attempts. Likes small goals (monthly) instead of long ones.
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I am not the brightest bulb so please forgive me as I try to sort all the facts out so far. Lets see if this sum up the thread so far:
5'2 UK female that started at 16st2 wants to get down to 9st (has PCOS).
Goes to clinic, and clinic (or nurse) says do this liquid 1000-1200 calorie diet for four weeks to "kick start weightloss"
One week on and half a stone lost.
Other info- Not really a candidate of surgery though seems to be something she desires. Also has no scale and that could have been an issue in earlier failed attempts. Likes small goals (monthly) instead of long ones.
Have I missed anything of substance?
You're missing out on a lot of outrage and misunderstandings. Other than that you're good.0 -
I haven't read every post on this thread, however I get the general idea by just reading a few. I say go for it if it makes you feel good and be positive about your future!! So many times I see such judge mental comments. I am sure someone (a person that is never wrong and who's sole job, on this earth, is to tell others how wrong they are) will find it necessary to respond with an angry comment. In the end... Is it really wrong to trade eating three Big Mac (go large) a day any less harmful than this liquid diet that makes the op feel better about herself and hopefully move toward better choices? Ok your turn, go ahead and attack.0
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loulou2006 wrote: »I haven't read every post on this thread, however I get the general idea by just reading a few. I say go for it if it makes you feel good and be positive about your future!! So many times I see such judge mental comments. I am sure someone (a person that is never wrong and who's sole job, on this earth, is to tell others how wrong they are) will find it necessary to respond with an angry comment. In the end... Is it really wrong to trade eating three Big Mac (go large) a day any less harmful than this liquid diet that makes the op feel better about herself and hopefully move toward better choices? Ok your turn, go ahead and attack.
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queenliz99 wrote: »loulou2006 wrote: »I haven't read every post on this thread, however I get the general idea by just reading a few. I say go for it if it makes you feel good and be positive about your future!! So many times I see such judge mental comments. I am sure someone (a person that is never wrong and who's sole job, on this earth, is to tell others how wrong they are) will find it necessary to respond with an angry comment. In the end... Is it really wrong to trade eating three Big Mac (go large) a day any less harmful than this liquid diet that makes the op feel better about herself and hopefully move toward better choices? Ok your turn, go ahead and attack.
Hmmm really?
Really!!
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loulou2006 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »loulou2006 wrote: »I haven't read every post on this thread, however I get the general idea by just reading a few. I say go for it if it makes you feel good and be positive about your future!! So many times I see such judge mental comments. I am sure someone (a person that is never wrong and who's sole job, on this earth, is to tell others how wrong they are) will find it necessary to respond with an angry comment. In the end... Is it really wrong to trade eating three Big Mac (go large) a day any less harmful than this liquid diet that makes the op feel better about herself and hopefully move toward better choices? Ok your turn, go ahead and attack.
Hmmm really?
Really!!
Sorry for the snap back.. I'm done. Have a nice evening0 -
loulou2006 wrote: »loulou2006 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »loulou2006 wrote: »I haven't read every post on this thread, however I get the general idea by just reading a few. I say go for it if it makes you feel good and be positive about your future!! So many times I see such judge mental comments. I am sure someone (a person that is never wrong and who's sole job, on this earth, is to tell others how wrong they are) will find it necessary to respond with an angry comment. In the end... Is it really wrong to trade eating three Big Mac (go large) a day any less harmful than this liquid diet that makes the op feel better about herself and hopefully move toward better choices? Ok your turn, go ahead and attack.
Hmmm really?
Really!!
Sorry for the snap back.. I'm done. Have a nice evening
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If I am understanding correctly, it is recommended by a medical team, but she is not being medically supervised.
My understanding of it was that it is being medically supervised at a specialist obesity clinic, with the nurse being involved day to day and a Dr overseeing it. Why would they need to keep giving her blood work on a weekly basis if shes simply doing 4 weeks on a vlcd? The OP isnt the most reliable at giving accurate complete information out and im not sure she understands exacctly what she is on anyway.
From the research I did looking into when and how such diets are used, which links back to the research, then it all looked quite coherent.
That isn't my understanding. She isn't getting day to day involvement from a nurse. She doesn't know what the next steps are. She doesn't know if she is being tested or if blood work is needed. She said she should probably call with questions, so it doesn't sound like a medically supervised diet at all, but just a recommended one.
Why would she need blood work for a vlcd? Because a diet low in calories can have dangerous side effects and consequences. I thought that would be obvious.
I'm from Australia but our health system is very similar to the UK. It is very possible that OP went to a public funded clinic and was given basically a 4 week supply and told to come back at the end of that time frame. She most probably would have some paperwork outlining the basics of the programme - so she would know solids are in her future. There wouldn't necessarily be follow up blood tests (at all) because the initial test would have confirmed she is a healthy individual with no prior medical conditions. Unless she becomes symptomatic then it's very possible that no further blood tests are necessary. I think she's confused with the Q's about blood work simply because she herself doesn't understand that your system and ours are different in that regard. Over here an annual health check is not mandatory...encouraged but not overly stressed about. Public money so minimal testing unless it becomes apparent if needed. She wouldn't necessarily have to go back week to week either but probably has a hotline number if she needs to or to see a GP. It's not that the services aren't good or the staff are reckless..it's maximising the resources they have available through allocated funding.
As for a VLCD...I thought I saw rabbit mention that given her height, and that the diet was 1200cals that it wasn't really VLCD? I would have thought so myself if the stats are correct.
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Does anyone have a link for how this diet is being used in the UK within the NHS, not as a research study and not as a pre-op diet? I'm only finding info like this, that clearly says not intended for anyone else.
http://www.dbh.nhs.uk/Library/Patient_Information_Leaflets/WPR32820 Milk Yoghurt Diet.pdf0 -
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weezybeezy91 wrote: »Are you going for weekly blood work or anything?
Also, what are they going to do after the 4 weeks? Have you seen an endocrinologist? And do they have you on medication for PCOS, like metformin.
Sorry I didn't see this. I'm not sure if I'll be going for weekly blood work.
No I haven't and no they pretty much told me I had it and sent me on my way
I've been trying for a kid but have had 3 miscarriages so they said I don't need medication because I don't have problems with getting pregnant. Not very helpful at all if I'm honest..
Indirect infertility. With PCOS some women get direct (not being able to get pregnant), or indirect (able to get pregnant, but not keep it) infertility. Funny enough, a lot of women have had success getting pregnant with these issues by exercising. Dropping weight will of course help if you are obese as mentioned above.
I'm 22. 5ft 2in. 189lbs starting from 262lbs with PCOS. There is hope.
My mother has PCOS as well, and she had indirect infertility problems. Several miscarriages. She had to have a hysterectomy two years ago due to cysts on her ovaries. I'm trying to keep that from happening to me.
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thorsmom01 wrote: »I started around the ops weight.I was miserable and hated the way I looked. I went to my doctor and told him I couldn't lose weight. He said ," your eating more then you think. Weight loss comes down to calories" so I had to face the facts , and stop making excuses. Finally , I ate at a reasonable yet responsible deficit. I enjoyed the foods I loved , and learned portion control. I weighed my foods on a food scale. I learned how to hit my macros and give my body the nutrients it needs .
I'm now 135lbs. No surgery . No liquid diets . no fad diets. no mlm marketing products .
It took hard work . I learned everything I needed for long term success.
Often people who take the easy way out, end up back in the same situation again.
i wanted to chime in with 2 things on this: 1. this isn't the easy way out that most people think it is, lol. that's why they end up in the situation they're in.
and 2. i know at least 2 people who have had weight loss surgery that learned nothing from it and have regained all the weight. in fact, one person had it 3 times (she had lap-band surgery), but sheesh, once should be enough.
my doctor offered it to me and i declined....i just said nope, if you can't figure out what is wrong with me, then i will figure everything out on my own. i was seeing a registered dietician who is also a doctor, and once we finally figured out what was wrong, the weight came off. slowly, but i'd rather slowly than never.
almost 50 pounds down now, and about 25 to go....started at 217 lbs. i'm not perfect, i slip up, but i'm very glad i repeatedly declined weight loss surgery....the hard work is mostly more mental than physical. i could never do a liquid diet, although i understand that the doctors put you on it. but i learned from everything i went through without the nasty side effects of surgery.0 -
queenliz99 wrote: »weezybeezy91 wrote: »weezybeezy91 wrote: »weezybeezy91 wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »weezybeezy91 wrote: »Wow. If you ate high protein, low carb 1200 calorie diet plus exercise and eating your exercise calories, you would drop weight even faster since your metabolism would be in a higher gear. You also wouldn't atrophy and lose muscle, in fact muscle gains help burn calories.
This just sounds miserable compared to eating normal, healthy food and getting the same or better gains. But, it's your life, have at it. Good luck. Interested to see how this does for you. I can't see this being at all beneficial. I'll be eating my 1700-1800 high protein calories every day and loving it, thank you.
Thanks I'll give it a mention on my next check up
to be honest I'm more bothered not being able to have alcohol lol. I'll deffo keep everyone posted and promise to hold my hands up if it all goes to *kitten* lol
Bakins929 gave you pretty bad advice lol.
Going high protein low carb... have fun with that - it's moderate protein/low carb/high fat for a reason.
You would drop weight faster... yes... but that weight is going to be mainly water weight as a decrease in carbs means you drop water weight and glycogen stores.
Also, your metabolism isn't going to 'pick up' - he is right in saying more muscle means more calories are burned... but lets be honest: you're not going to gain any muscle on a 1200 calorie diet which is LCHF and also, a lot of muscle is needed to burn a significant amount of calories.
Lol moon see this is what I mean! So confusing it's so hard to know what advice to take, who's right and who's wrong. I think for now I'll just try and be good and stick to what advice I've been given by the hospital. I will be noting all of this though as it does look like alot of you guys have had success and know what you're talking about a hell of a lot more than me.
I'm 5 ft 5 and my highest weigh was 221 when I was 25 years old. In my late 20's, I managed to lose enough weight to get to 170 and stay there for quite a few years, even though I was still overweight.
I Yo-yoed a lot until I got to about 190 again, but about fifteen years ago I got down to 150/155 and felt pretty good and maintained for quite some time.
Then, about seven years ago, I put 30 plus pounds back on, and I began to hurt and feel pretty bad physically. My doctor was getting ready to test me for arthritis due to the achiness and joint pain. I went back to what my trainer had taught me to help me get to 150/155: eat less, move more, log your food and be conscious of how much you are eating, keep your macros in check, and weight lift to retain muscle mass. I started paying attention to calories again, started logging my food in a tablet, then found the MFP tools and have been using them ever since.
I lost 44 pounds and have been maintaining a healthy weight for over a year and a half. This is the first time I have ever been at a healthy weight in my life. I no longer ache and hurt and feel like I want to lay down and nap all the time.
Let me tell you something: being fat my entire life, if I can do this just by eating a calorie deficit so can anybody. So can you. I say this only to encourage you to try this weight loss thing by eating real food, just less of it.
You. Can. Do. This. By eating real food.
I'm so glad you've managed to keep the weight off! I agree the best way to lose weight is to eat healthy, count calories and excersize regularly. I will be joining you in that soon I promise, I just have to get this over and done with first. I do think liquid diets and losing weight quickly does help, for short term ofcourse, not physically but mentally. You see the pounds go down and you think 'oh it is possible then, I thought there was something wrong with me!' and if anything seeing that graph go down makes me more determined to eat better and excersize more. I think they've tricked me lol but I'm certainly feeling more optimistic about changing my lifestyle then I ever have.
There's not a thing wrong with you. I remember how difficult it was when I was on this Yo-Yo cycle trying to lose weight.
You know what I love about how I have been eating for the last 2 1/2 years, and something I also learned from my trainer during the time when I got down to 150/155? I can eat whatever I want, I was just required to eat less calories than I burned, which required moderation. The only thing that really needs to change when you hit maintenance is your calorie allowance. This only comes if you allow yourself whatever foods you like in the present while you are losing weight.
Yeah so many successful losers (if that sounds right lol) have said that they love being able to have their favourite foods. I can't wait to burn a load of calories and then shove a cake in my face, wash it down with a bottle of rose' and still be in my daily allowance lmao.
Well, you can have a piece of cake with a glass of wine and still be in your calorie allowance now. However, I would say shoving cake in your face and a bottle of wine do not equal moderation, which is key to calorie control.
not sure if she was being serious or sarcastic:)
Me either.
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I wont knock anything unless I have tried it so I wont judge or make belittling comments. I do have a question though. Did you live on vitamins, milk and water and absolutely no solid food at all for the whole week?0
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IP is the obesity centre giving you some supplements, powders, soups to take with your milk or are you claiming you are drinking 800 cals of straight milk a day? What does your diet consist of?0
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I'll be going to the zoo today with my friend and her kid so I'll try to reply to everything tonight. Thanks everyone that's commented so far I'm so happy everyone's getting a little more understanding of the diet (probably my fault for being useless at explaining and not knowing as much information as I should) TC xx0
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IP is the obesity centre giving you some supplements, powders, soups to take with your milk or are you claiming you are drinking 800 cals of straight milk a day? What does your diet consist of?
Daily I drink 4 and a half pints of milk, one salty drink (oxo) a vitamin tablet, 2 pints of water, a cup of tea and I can also have one sachet of sugar free jelly if I wanted to, but I'm not a big fan of it so I don't regularly have that.
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weezybeezy91 wrote: »IP is the obesity centre giving you some supplements, powders, soups to take with your milk or are you claiming you are drinking 800 cals of straight milk a day? What does your diet consist of?
Daily I drink 4 and a half pints of milk, one salty drink (oxo) a vitamin tablet, 2 pints of water, a cup of tea and I can also have one sachet of sugar free jelly if I wanted to, but I'm not a big fan of it so I don't regularly have that.
Man, I could never stick to that. If nothing else, you'll learn a lot of discipline over the next 3 weeks!0 -
I wont knock anything unless I have tried it so I wont judge or make belittling comments. I do have a question though. Did you live on vitamins, milk and water and absolutely no solid food at all for the whole week?
Hiya coco_bee no solids for me. If you wanna check my reply to tigger just next to this comment it explains everything I have 0 -
loulou2006 wrote: »I haven't read every post on this thread, however I get the general idea by just reading a few. I say go for it if it makes you feel good and be positive about your future!! So many times I see such judge mental comments. I am sure someone (a person that is never wrong and who's sole job, on this earth, is to tell others how wrong they are) will find it necessary to respond with an angry comment. In the end... Is it really wrong to trade eating three Big Mac (go large) a day any less harmful than this liquid diet that makes the op feel better about herself and hopefully move toward better choices? Ok your turn, go ahead and attack.
When did OP say she was eating three Big Macs a day before beginning this diet?0 -
Blueseraphchaos wrote: »thorsmom01 wrote: »I started around the ops weight.I was miserable and hated the way I looked. I went to my doctor and told him I couldn't lose weight. He said ," your eating more then you think. Weight loss comes down to calories" so I had to face the facts , and stop making excuses. Finally , I ate at a reasonable yet responsible deficit. I enjoyed the foods I loved , and learned portion control. I weighed my foods on a food scale. I learned how to hit my macros and give my body the nutrients it needs .
I'm now 135lbs. No surgery . No liquid diets . no fad diets. no mlm marketing products .
It took hard work . I learned everything I needed for long term success.
Often people who take the easy way out, end up back in the same situation again.
i wanted to chime in with 2 things on this: 1. this isn't the easy way out that most people think it is, lol. that's why they end up in the situation they're in.
and 2. i know at least 2 people who have had weight loss surgery that learned nothing from it and have regained all the weight. in fact, one person had it 3 times (she had lap-band surgery), but sheesh, once should be enough.
my doctor offered it to me and i declined....i just said nope, if you can't figure out what is wrong with me, then i will figure everything out on my own. i was seeing a registered dietician who is also a doctor, and once we finally figured out what was wrong, the weight came off. slowly, but i'd rather slowly than never.
almost 50 pounds down now, and about 25 to go....started at 217 lbs. i'm not perfect, i slip up, but i'm very glad i repeatedly declined weight loss surgery....the hard work is mostly more mental than physical. i could never do a liquid diet, although i understand that the doctors put you on it. but i learned from everything i went through without the nasty side effects of surgery.
Glad you stayed clear of it, I hope I won't need it either. I'm more determined than I ever have been to do it on my own, fingers crossed!0
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