The low calorie liquid diet (LCLD) part 2

weezybeezy91 wrote: »

janejellyroll wrote: »

I think eight days is a bit soon to declare that this works and the results will last. Most of us here have had experience with losing water weight quickly on very low calorie diets.

Well I've lost 7lb so it does work. If you're talking about long term effects that's in the article as I've already explained

How are your stools and bm's, I wonder?

lemonsnowdrop wrote: »

You didn't lose weight on 1200 calories of solids because you weren't logging accurately and instead were eating more. Drinking calories does not differ from eating them, but anyway, this isn't VLCD anyway, it's just...pointless and complicated.

Indeed totally agree
Thats why i call....B***t

Still it is unhealthy what she does...specially to her mind.

weezybeezy91 wrote: »

BWBTrish wrote: »

bfit172 wrote: »

weezybeezy91 wrote: »

strong_curves wrote: »

Good for you.

Also this is a public forum, opinions are going to be posted that you may or may not agree with.

Opinions are fine, putting someone down when they are at their lowest with nothing but negative remarks is NOT.

Completely agree opinions are one thing, putting someone down is another. There are kinder ways to get your opinion across. It's my first day here... First 2 hours actually...and I've already felt attacked for asking a question.

wait wait

OP can say what she want? Like i dont care what you think? Grow up etc etc
And when we say the same we put her in a corner????

Sorry dont agree with you.

Please find where I have told someone to grow up and I'll buy you a drink..

I rather eat my calories ty.

Also, I was only eating that little for 2 months, 4 weeks more than the OP. And I've gotten permanent damage from it. But the difference is I wasn't medically supervised I guess. I was being destructive.

psulemon wrote: »

Are you going for weekly blood work or anything?

Also, what are they going to do after the 4 weeks? Have you seen an endocrinologist? And do they have you on medication for PCOS, like metformin.

OP, going to bump this in case you haven't seen it.

Wow. If you ate high protein, low carb 1200 calorie diet plus exercise and eating your exercise calories, you would drop weight even faster since your metabolism would be in a higher gear. You also wouldn't atrophy and lose muscle, in fact muscle gains help burn calories.

This just sounds miserable compared to eating normal, healthy food and getting the same or better gains. But, it's your life, have at it. Good luck. Interested to see how this does for you. I can't see this being at all beneficial. I'll be eating my 1700-1800 high protein calories every day and loving it, thank you.

@weezybeezy91: I just want to comment that most posts here are from people that are concerned. While a VLCD should be fine under doctor supervision, what you're describing is different. Under doctor supervision means you go in every week or so and get checked out, blood tests, that sort of thing (maybe not blood tests, but your doctor should be monitoring you closely). The doctor shouldn't just give you the diet and say come back in a month. You haven't said what kind of follow-ups you are going to be doing with your doctor, nor what exactly your plan is for after the 4 weeks are over. I get that doing the liquid diet gives you better control over your calories, but here's the thing: if you weren't losing weight on 1000 calories of solid food but are on 1000 calories of liquids, something was wrong with your logging the solid foods. At the base level, calories are calories, be they liquid or solid. The nutritional value of those calories counts too and should be monitored to make sure you stay healthy, but if all you're doing is counting the calories, liquid vs. solid doesn't matter. A lot of people say they're logging correctly but really aren't and don't realize it. I got a huge surprise when I actually started weighing things correctly and found I wasn't logging 400-500 calories A DAY when I thought I was accurate. So after your 4 weeks are up, when you start phasing in solid food again, you need to make sure you START weighing EVERYTHING to log it. Learning to do that when you start back on solids and make it a habit. After a while, you'll start to retrain your brain and body into recognizing what a proper portion is and do better with estimating, but you have to be as EXACT as possible when you start or you'll just end up putting the weight back on.

On a personal note, a VLCD isn't necessary to 'kick-start' a diet, but if you're going to do it under a doctor's supervision, then whatever. If you can keep healthy during it and work to relearn your eating habits afterwards, then more power to ya. My main concern is that others will see it and try it in an unhealthy manner and make themselves sick. That's why VLCDs are frowned on here. Too many people try it on their own, and MFP tries to promote HEALTHY routes to weight loss, which a VLCD isn't.

hannibalholt89 wrote: »

dubird wrote: »

hannibalholt89 wrote: »

I don't think the doctor put her on this diet as an actual long term thing. These diets are primarily pre or post surgery procedures. It wouldn't make since to be on a liquid diet for long term when you can eat and actually be full. If you are eating the proper foods, you will get same nutrients, same macros, same cals. Your body will not react different at all just taking it in a different form. If your not losing weight eating actual food then you need to adjust your diet.

Understood, but what she describes is concerning. Yes, your body doesn't care if your calories are from liquid or solid, but if you're going with a liquid diet, you still have to vary it so you DO get all the nutrients as well as the calories. OP said she's mostly drinking milk? If a doctor prescribed this diet, I would think they would also suggest other things to add nutrients, powders or vitamins or whatnot. There's also the concern that OP doesn't seem to realize things that can happen AFTER she finishes it, which is information the doctor should have shared with her. Facts like once the liquid diet is over, she'll still have relearn eating habits or it's just going to come back. Granted, this is all coming through her, but based on what I've been reading, she sounds confused about some things, and at the very least she should bring up concerns with that doctor and discuss them.

Now, it's possible I'm misreading things, but this is what I'm seeing so far. That's why my advice is to get a second opinion instead of don't do it, which my knee-jerk reaction to someone saying they're going on a VLCD to 'kick-start' weight loss.

no i get exactly what your saying im not agreeing to the liquid diet with all do respect to her I think its the dumbest things ive ever heard of and most dangerous. What I was getting at was she made a point saying she tried to eat food and she doesnt lose weight but a liquid diet she says she does lose weight. Now lets just say she does get all the correct nutreints cals w/e from her liquid diet, I was just saying if its helping her lose weight so would food bc there is no difference. I saw her mention its milk mostly which i can tell she will definitely not get all her nutrients from that unless like you said she is adding some type of supplements.

Ah, I see what you're saying, sorry, I can be dense sometimes! Chances are, her logging of solid foods wasn't accurate and she didn't realize it. That seems to happen to a lot of people when they first start, me included.

lemonsnowdrop wrote: »

You didn't lose weight on 1200 calories of solids because you weren't logging accurately and instead were eating more. Drinking calories does not differ from eating them, but anyway, this isn't VLCD anyway, it's just...pointless and complicated.

If its counterweight plus or whatever the English equibalent is then its 820 calories as used in the test survey and that would qualify as vlcd.

Not pointless if it helps her lose weight sfaely.
Not complicated either.

999tigger wrote: »

BWBTrish wrote: »

Supervised???
Do you get lab tests done, visit doctors etc etc?

and still no stats or names people.
She avoid those questions

The guy who has overseen the study is this man

http://www.gla.ac.uk/schools/medicine/staff/mikelean/#/biography

But that doesn't mean she is under treatment by him.
My best guess is..she read about all of this and is exploring and riding the wild side... on her own!

We will see.
I hope she will lose her weight in a healthy way one day and can sustain it. that she will learn that she can eat what she want as long she control the portion by weighing her food...or other wise.
And not goes for crazy liquid diets like drinking milk...(btw i gained my most weight on milk abd buttermilk, drunk almost 3/4 gallon a day lol.... blew my whole calories on it and i ate next to it healthy, food out of my own garden.)
But still too much

But well we are not OP, she will learn the hard way.
like somebody said...choose your hard

Done with it now. There is some good advice here how to do it. And we dont change her mind...because that is the big part that is denying.

Good luck OP