The low calorie liquid diet (LCLD) part 2
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I have only read a few replies, so here goes:
Your ticker says you have 8 pounds to lose. Is that accurate? If not, how much are you trying to lose?
Why did your MD put you on a liquid diet?
You said you're smiling at 9 pounds lost, but.....you do realize that is water, and as soon as you start eating normally again some of that will come back....right? A small percentage might be fat, but that is mostly water.
I vehemently disagree with this statement:Also next time someone tries to talk about a diet that may sound ridiculous to you, please don't put them off. We all need to try these things and I'm so glad I did.
The next time someone tells me about a diet that sounds ridiculous, I'm going to say, "Hey, have you ever heard of simply eating less that you burn? It works wonders!"
If a diet sounds ridiculous, it most likely is.
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weezybeezy91 wrote: »kristen6350 wrote: »I'm not sure why you would want to go on a liquid diet of 1100-1200 calories when you can EAT and have the same affect though? I'm pondering that while choppin' down on some Popcorn...nom nom nom.
I've tried eating that many calories before an didn't lose anything
that's why I'm on this, it's drastic but I've tried so many other things. Geuss our bodies are all different. Also I have PCOS so it's harder for me to lose weight than anyone else
Then you were undoubtedly eating more than you realized.
If you are drinking 1000 calories and losing weight drastically, 200 more calories is not going to make you gain weight. In fact, the only way to gain weight is to eat over your TDEE (total daily energy expenditure), and I'd be surprised if any adult, even a shorter person, has a 1200 TDEE.
Since you're a bigger person, if you accurately counted your calories, you would be able to lose weight on more than 1200 calories.
Our bodies are not all that different, and science is science.0 -
Reading this thread is making want a Mars ice cream bar.0
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Alatariel75 wrote: »I started so much fatter than you, and if a doctor told me to do this, then have surgery, I'd have slapped them. What a horrid thing to do to your body, especially when so young.
Yep. It makes me sad and makes me angry. The idea that a doctor prescribed something that is only drinking milk and is so deficient that if she works out she'll get dizzy and sick....let's me know that some doctors are more into their business model than making the correct medical decisions. IMO.
Same here. It seems if a doctor prescribed a liquid diet they would include vitamins, minerals, something more than just....
Milk?
That's not good.
Also, @weezybeezy91, you said the doctor told you not to exercise, then you said you cheated by doing some walks, then you said that you can't exercise, so I'm confused.
Why would you eat like this when it makes you so dizzy that you can't even walk? That is downright dangerous.0 -
weezybeezy91 wrote: »OP the dizziness is probably a strong sign that you are lacking in nutrients. Just more reason, why you shouldn't be doing a diet like this.
I had to do blood tests and various other tests for them to see if my body would be fit for it. It's not for everyone. This diet is medically supervised so there's nothing for me to worry about
Yeah there is something for you to worry about. You're getting so dizzy you can't walk.0 -
You should contact them, impress them with your expertise and give them a few pointers on her case.0 -
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I'm incredibly surprised that the NHS are actually considering you for WLS at only 16 stone. I'm also incredibly surprised that the NHS has recommended this ridiculous diet.
This post strikes me as ridiculous full stop. I have a friend who is 25 stone and they won't even consider her for WLS and she needs it.
This thread is imo dangerous and I cannot believe the mods have let it go on this long.0 -
weezybeezy91 wrote: »weezybeezy91 wrote: »weezybeezy91 wrote: »weezybeezy91 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »I started so much fatter than you, and if a doctor told me to do this, then have surgery, I'd have slapped them. What a horrid thing to do to your body, especially when so young.
Yep. It makes me sad and makes me angry. The idea that a doctor prescribed something that is only drinking milk and is so deficient that if she works out she'll get dizzy and sick....let's me know that some doctors are more into their business model than making the correct medical decisions. IMO.
But not being able to work out is a bonus lmao.
Is inactivity your long term goal?
It was a joke. Hence the lol after. God does everyone on this take everything so seriously? We're here to exchange ideas, have a laugh, make friends and support eachother. You lot are so bloody miserable and I'm the one on this diet!
This forum isn't for support, and to make friends and laugh. This forum (the General Diet and Weight Loss) is for discussing just that, and the way you are going about it is completely ridiculous and your blind following of said diet is even more alarming. That doesn't warrant support, hence, why you aren't getting any.
I didn't realise weightloss could be so serious. I'm glad I don't take everything so seriously like most people on here, makes my life so much easier. How on earth can you think that a diet that was given to me by a nutritionist/nurse in a clinic specialising in obesity at the hospital is going to be bad for me?? Just ask yourself that? Why would a hospital make me ill?!
Yes, cause doctor's and hospitals are non-profit companies that do it for the love of people and not the money :insertsarcasm:.
You have already said you get dizzy on this diet...there's a sign.
I don't have to pay a penny for this. It's on the NHS so that point isn't even valid. I said I would get dizzy if I excersize not that I have. Can you please read my comments properly before answering me back???
So the doctor's will make 0 dollars from any person or agency for doing this surgery?
And yes, not being able to exercise without getting dizzy is not a good thing...despite what you think.
Since it's NHS, I believe the OP is from the UK. But I am not sure how they get paid over there.
Here in the UK we all pay National Insurance which then funds any medical treatment on the NHS. Doctors etc are just paid a salary from their hospital as normal but like income tax every UK citizen has this deducted from their wages throughout their working life.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/10078062/why-do-we-pay-national-insurance0 -
what were you doing previously to lose weight? How much do you weight (if you dont mind telling)0
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NobodyPutsAmyInTheCorner wrote: »I'm incredibly surprised that the NHS are actually considering you for WLS at only 16 stone. I'm also incredibly surprised that the NHS has recommended this ridiculous diet.
This post strikes me as ridiculous full stop. I have a friend who is 25 stone and they won't even consider her for WLS and she needs it.
This thread is imo dangerous and I cannot believe the mods have let it go on this long.
But yes, I am surprised too.0 -
You should contact them, impress them with your expertise and give them a few pointers on her case.
Will do. Thanks for the tip.0 -
NobodyPutsAmyInTheCorner wrote: »I'm incredibly surprised that the NHS are actually considering you for WLS at only 16 stone. I'm also incredibly surprised that the NHS has recommended this ridiculous diet.
This post strikes me as ridiculous full stop. I have a friend who is 25 stone and they won't even consider her for WLS and she needs it.
This thread is imo dangerous and I cannot believe the mods have let it go on this long.
If you want to know why it's up, look back a few pages. I clearly explained it.
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Wow, this thread is kinda sad. On one hand, if you're going to do a VLCD, doing it under a doctor's supervision is the only thing that makes me pause and not say DON'T DO IT. On the other hand, several of the things you've said make question that doctor. The diet he gave you makes you dizzy when you try to walk too much? That's not a good sign. Plus, as others have pointed out, WLS is usually reserved for very obese people. Doing a quick Google calculation at 16 stone you weigh about 224 lbs. I started at 200 and only needed to lose 50 to get to my target range. I think you're shorter than me so your number to lose will be higher, but you probably don't need to lose more than 100 lbs, so that's not exactly in the category of NEEDING weight loss surgery. If you're just going in for a lap band, I think that's different, but I can tell you my husband went in for a lap band before we actually met. He said the month after was miserable because he was on a liquid diet. Of course, for his liquid diet, he would make a meal and then put it in the blender, so he was definitely getting the nutrition he needed, not just drinking milk!
OP, if I were you, I would go get a second opinion. You're an adult, you need to take charge of your health, not just follow blindly what one doctor says. Weight loss surgery IS something serious, and ANY serious medical procedure should be double checked by a different doctor. And if your current doctor gets mad at you seeing someone else for that second opinion, that should tell you something right there. No doctor should get angry at a second opinion, and you have that right. This is your health we're talking about here, not new tires for your car. You should take your health seriously as you kinda need that for the rest of your life!0 -
I don't think the doctor put her on this diet as an actual long term thing. These diets are primarily pre or post surgery procedures. It wouldn't make since to be on a liquid diet for long term when you can eat and actually be full. If you are eating the proper foods, you will get same nutrients, same macros, same cals. Your body will not react different at all just taking it in a different form. If your not losing weight eating actual food then you need to adjust your diet.0
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hannibalholt89 wrote: »I don't think the doctor put her on this diet as an actual long term thing. These diets are primarily pre or post surgery procedures. It wouldn't make since to be on a liquid diet for long term when you can eat and actually be full. If you are eating the proper foods, you will get same nutrients, same macros, same cals. Your body will not react different at all just taking it in a different form. If your not losing weight eating actual food then you need to adjust your diet.
Understood, but what she describes is concerning. Yes, your body doesn't care if your calories are from liquid or solid, but if you're going with a liquid diet, you still have to vary it so you DO get all the nutrients as well as the calories. OP said she's mostly drinking milk? If a doctor prescribed this diet, I would think they would also suggest other things to add nutrients, powders or vitamins or whatnot. There's also the concern that OP doesn't seem to realize things that can happen AFTER she finishes it, which is information the doctor should have shared with her. Facts like once the liquid diet is over, she'll still have relearn eating habits or it's just going to come back. Granted, this is all coming through her, but based on what I've been reading, she sounds confused about some things, and at the very least she should bring up concerns with that doctor and discuss them.
Now, it's possible I'm misreading things, but this is what I'm seeing so far. That's why my advice is to get a second opinion instead of don't do it, which my knee-jerk reaction to someone saying they're going on a VLCD to 'kick-start' weight loss.0 -
hannibalholt89 wrote: »I don't think the doctor put her on this diet as an actual long term thing. These diets are primarily pre or post surgery procedures. It wouldn't make since to be on a liquid diet for long term when you can eat and actually be full. If you are eating the proper foods, you will get same nutrients, same macros, same cals. Your body will not react different at all just taking it in a different form. If your not losing weight eating actual food then you need to adjust your diet.
Understood, but what she describes is concerning. Yes, your body doesn't care if your calories are from liquid or solid, but if you're going with a liquid diet, you still have to vary it so you DO get all the nutrients as well as the calories. OP said she's mostly drinking milk? If a doctor prescribed this diet, I would think they would also suggest other things to add nutrients, powders or vitamins or whatnot. There's also the concern that OP doesn't seem to realize things that can happen AFTER she finishes it, which is information the doctor should have shared with her. Facts like once the liquid diet is over, she'll still have relearn eating habits or it's just going to come back. Granted, this is all coming through her, but based on what I've been reading, she sounds confused about some things, and at the very least she should bring up concerns with that doctor and discuss them.
Now, it's possible I'm misreading things, but this is what I'm seeing so far. That's why my advice is to get a second opinion instead of don't do it, which my knee-jerk reaction to someone saying they're going on a VLCD to 'kick-start' weight loss.
no i get exactly what your saying im not agreeing to the liquid diet with all do respect to her I think its the dumbest things ive ever heard of and most dangerous. What I was getting at was she made a point saying she tried to eat food and she doesnt lose weight but a liquid diet she says she does lose weight. Now lets just say she does get all the correct nutreints cals w/e from her liquid diet, I was just saying if its helping her lose weight so would food bc there is no difference. I saw her mention its milk mostly which i can tell she will definitely not get all her nutrients from that unless like you said she is adding some type of supplements.0 -
NobodyPutsAmyInTheCorner wrote: »I'm incredibly surprised that the NHS are actually considering you for WLS at only 16 stone. I'm also incredibly surprised that the NHS has recommended this ridiculous diet.
This post strikes me as ridiculous full stop. I have a friend who is 25 stone and they won't even consider her for WLS and she needs it.
This thread is imo dangerous and I cannot believe the mods have let it go on this long.
Third Brit who is genuinely shocked that the NHS have even floated the option of surgery as well.0 -
This is all sad yes
And for the OP you stated that you gain weight on 1000 calories
So that wont change ever....So replacing milk for food have no impact..1000 calories milk or 1000 for real food.... when you gain as you claim on 1000 calories you will gain on food or milk
no matter what.
Now for me i think there is a lot of goo in here
I would still like to know the doctor, because i am really interested in him her and the nurse and nutritionist too.
It seems you dont come up with their names to rave about them.
I was and am on a special program With a team all from the University of Wageningen. And let me tell you...or your country need some heavy wiping out of medical advisers..or some serious education...when we believe your story
But be happy with it..you will lose weight now...and you will gain again. Just because you dont learn the essential way to eat. And how to eat in your range...weight loss surgery or not. Because after your surgery you have to eat again..... still your will gain when you eat more than 1000 calories because you said yourself you cant eat more...you tried that.
It is also sad the whole mind set you have. Thinking that this is healthy, no exercise..the dizziness and all. and yes maybe for 4 weeks only...but what after that..And i doubt that any data collected now is of any value when you have a surgery over a year. With the amount you have to lose is questionable that they consider you for a WLS. And a lot of other red flags here.
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OK you're morbidly obese and following a doctor supervised 1200 calorie a day meal replacement diet for four weeks
On the NHS?
And there's no incentive to move more? In fact you're saying there's a discincentive? Wow!
And you have a "nutritionist" not a registered dietician?
So what happens at the end of 4 weeks? Do you get a plan that incorporates eating real food?
You might be interested in change4life the NHS campaign / programme for healthier lifestyles https://smarttools.change4life.co.uk
And good luck..it sounds like a fabrication, and a totally awful approach to me0 -
OK you're morbidly obese and following a doctor supervised 1200 calorie a day meal replacement diet for four weeks
On the NHS?
And there's no incentive to move more? In fact you're saying there's a discincentive? Wow!
And you have a "nutritionist" not a registered dietician?
So what happens at the end of 4 weeks? Do you get a plan that incorporates eating real food?
You might be interested in change4life the NHS campaign / programme for healthier lifestyles https://smarttools.change4life.co.uk
And good luck..it sounds like a fabrication, and a totally awful approach to me
But she never can eat more because she stated here she tried many times. She doesnt lose anything she said.weezybeezy91 wrote: »kristen6350 wrote: »I'm not sure why you would want to go on a liquid diet of 1100-1200 calories when you can EAT and have the same affect though? I'm pondering that while choppin' down on some Popcorn...nom nom nom.
I've tried eating that many calories before an didn't lose anything that's why I'm on this, it's drastic but I've tried so many other things. Geuss our bodies are all different. Also I have PCOS so it's harder for me to lose weight than anyone else0 -
OK you're morbidly obese and following a doctor supervised 1200 calorie a day meal replacement diet for four weeks
On the NHS?
And there's no incentive to move more? In fact you're saying there's a discincentive? Wow!
And you have a "nutritionist" not a registered dietician?
So what happens at the end of 4 weeks? Do you get a plan that incorporates eating real food?
You might be interested in change4life the NHS campaign / programme for healthier lifestyles https://smarttools.change4life.co.uk
And good luck..it sounds like a fabrication, and a totally awful approach to me
But she never can eat more because she stated here she tried many times. She doesnt lose anything she said.weezybeezy91 wrote: »kristen6350 wrote: »I'm not sure why you would want to go on a liquid diet of 1100-1200 calories when you can EAT and have the same affect though? I'm pondering that while choppin' down on some Popcorn...nom nom nom.
I've tried eating that many calories before an didn't lose anything that's why I'm on this, it's drastic but I've tried so many other things. Geuss our bodies are all different. Also I have PCOS so it's harder for me to lose weight than anyone else
And if anything she'll have to eat LESS when she loses the weight since her TDEE will go down... I'm very concerned about OP. Truly. I think she's setting herself up for a lifetime of struggle, frustration, and dissatisfaction.0 -
OK you're morbidly obese and following a doctor supervised 1200 calorie a day meal replacement diet for four weeks
On the NHS?
And there's no incentive to move more? In fact you're saying there's a discincentive? Wow!
And you have a "nutritionist" not a registered dietician?
So what happens at the end of 4 weeks? Do you get a plan that incorporates eating real food?
You might be interested in change4life the NHS campaign / programme for healthier lifestyles https://smarttools.change4life.co.uk
And good luck..it sounds like a fabrication, and a totally awful approach to me
But she never can eat more because she stated here she tried many times. She doesnt lose anything she said.weezybeezy91 wrote: »kristen6350 wrote: »I'm not sure why you would want to go on a liquid diet of 1100-1200 calories when you can EAT and have the same affect though? I'm pondering that while choppin' down on some Popcorn...nom nom nom.
I've tried eating that many calories before an didn't lose anything that's why I'm on this, it's drastic but I've tried so many other things. Geuss our bodies are all different. Also I have PCOS so it's harder for me to lose weight than anyone else
Wait, is that, why yea it is, it's a pig flying right past my window!0 -
Having followed the thread I am dubious as to all the details the OP provides. Whilst i normally take things at face value it doesnt seem right that Drs are offering someone baritraic surgery when they are 16 stone. Someone at that weight can be catered for with a normal diet and surgery is expensive. Id have thought it would be rserved for someone morbidly obese.
From the NHS site
http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/weight-loss-surgery/Pages/Introduction.aspxIntroduction
Weight loss surgery, also called bariatric surgery, is used to treat people who are dangerously obese.
This type of surgery is only available on the NHS to treat people with potentially life-threatening obesity when other treatments, such as lifestyle changes, haven't worked.
Potentially life-threatening obesity is defined as:
having a body mass index (BMI) of 40 or above
having a BMI of 35 or above and having another serious health condition that could be improved if you lose weight, such as type 2 diabetes or high blood pressure
Adults who have recently been diagnosed with type 2 diabetes may also be considered for an assessment for weight loss surgery if they have a BMI of 30-34.9.
For people who meet the above criteria, weight loss surgery has proved to be effective in significantly and quickly reducing excess body fat.
However, it's always recommended that you try to lose weight through a healthy, calorie-controlled diet and increased amounts of exercise before you consider weight loss surgery, as surgery carries a risk of complications and requires a significant change in lifestyle afterwards.
Because of these associated risks, most surgeons, whether they're working privately or for the NHS, would only consider someone for surgery if there was a clinical need, and not for cosmetic reasons.0 -
I cba to respond to everyone individually so I'll reply to most of the replies
I take a multi vitamin tablets daily
I never said I got dizzy from walking, I said I was advised not to excersize because it CAN make me feel dizzy. I haven't felt dizzy yet.
This diet is not for long term, I only have less than 3 weeks to go.
Surgery isn't a definite. This was only an option that was talked about if I couldn't shift the weight or even gained more. Even then I'd still have to get assessed, because I don't have diabetes I probably won't even be considered for it.
I am only 5ft2 so my BMI is higher than you think
I didn't say I thought the diet was ridiculous I said if YOU thought it was ridiculous.
This post is still here because I've not just got this diet from the Internet. I got it from my nutritionist/nurse at my local hospital.
I'm not behaving like a 2 year old, I'm simply trying to reason with you guys that this diet isn't dangerous if done for only 4 weeks.0
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