The low calorie liquid diet (LCLD) part 2
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strong_curves wrote: »strong_curves wrote: »You won't be smiling if your hair falls out.
Why would her hair fall out?
Very low calorie diets done for long periods of time can cause hair thinning/loss.
Theres no record ( no data) that it happens with this diet, so its a bit general, It doesnt happen to everyone. Thye have made a focus of the diet being nutrient rich.
In balance the diet does look like a possible alternative v bariatric surgery. Its medically supervised so it has some credibility. Still bemused why someone with only 9lb to lose would be put on it as the aeticle suggests its for obese and severely obese patients, where the benefits of losing weight are significant.
I have a hell of a lot more than that to lose lol. I'm 16 stone and need to go down to 9stone. That's my target for four weeks time
thank you for looking at the positives 0 -
weezybeezy91 wrote: »strong_curves wrote: »strong_curves wrote: »You won't be smiling if your hair falls out.
Why would her hair fall out?
Very low calorie diets done for long periods of time can cause hair thinning/loss.
My hair is thick and hasn't fell out as of yet. Please keep trying to think up more reasons to put me down it really is comical. You were on the first post being negative and after results and backed up research you're still trying.
Your hair isn't going to fall out after eight days. But extreme restriction will result in health issues that include, among other things, hair loss.
Your doctors really should be discussing these potential risks with you.0 -
weezybeezy91 wrote: »strong_curves wrote: »strong_curves wrote: »You won't be smiling if your hair falls out.
Why would her hair fall out?
Very low calorie diets done for long periods of time can cause hair thinning/loss.
Theres no record ( no data) that it happens with this diet, so its a bit general, It doesnt happen to everyone. Thye have made a focus of the diet being nutrient rich.
In balance the diet does look like a possible alternative v bariatric surgery. Its medically supervised so it has some credibility. Still bemused why someone with only 9lb to lose would be put on it as the aeticle suggests its for obese and severely obese patients, where the benefits of losing weight are significant.
I have a hell of a lot more than that to lose lol. I'm 16 stone and need to go down to 9stone. That's my target for four weeks time thank you for looking at the positives
16 stone to 9 stone in 4 weeks????????????????0 -
In reality, a VLCD diet is going to be similar to the diet of a bariatric patients diet, so maybe it's just a way of preparing them, and also shrinking the liver ready for surgery? Who knows.. but in my experience, bariatric surgeons are not there to promote healthy diets, they are there to promote their specialists skills and make money.0
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IsaackGMOON wrote: »weezybeezy91 wrote: »strong_curves wrote: »strong_curves wrote: »You won't be smiling if your hair falls out.
Why would her hair fall out?
Very low calorie diets done for long periods of time can cause hair thinning/loss.
Theres no record ( no data) that it happens with this diet, so its a bit general, It doesnt happen to everyone. Thye have made a focus of the diet being nutrient rich.
In balance the diet does look like a possible alternative v bariatric surgery. Its medically supervised so it has some credibility. Still bemused why someone with only 9lb to lose would be put on it as the aeticle suggests its for obese and severely obese patients, where the benefits of losing weight are significant.
I have a hell of a lot more than that to lose lol. I'm 16 stone and need to go down to 9stone. That's my target for four weeks time thank you for looking at the positives
16 stone to 9 stone in 4 weeks????????????????
Lol no! I need to lose 9lb in four weeks! Haha I don't think that would be possible. Sorry if I wasn't clearer0 -
Her goal is set for what she wants to lose within a month.0
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janejellyroll wrote: »weezybeezy91 wrote: »strong_curves wrote: »strong_curves wrote: »You won't be smiling if your hair falls out.
Why would her hair fall out?
Very low calorie diets done for long periods of time can cause hair thinning/loss.
My hair is thick and hasn't fell out as of yet. Please keep trying to think up more reasons to put me down it really is comical. You were on the first post being negative and after results and backed up research you're still trying.
Your hair isn't going to fall out after eight days. But extreme restriction will result in health issues that include, among other things, hair loss.
Your doctors really should be discussing these potential risks with you.
It's only for four weeks so they must not feel the need to. Maybe if I was on it for 8 weeks or something but not a month surely..0 -
weezybeezy91 wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »How many calories will you be consuming with this diet?
I consume roughly 1000 calories a day which is 200 under what women should take if dieting but it will only be for the first 4 weeks. Once they are over I'll be consuming more
I don't get the point. Why not just eat 1200 calories? Wouldn't that be much more enjoyable?
It's the ketosis effect of the VLCD that makes it easier for people, similar to low-carb. Once you are into it full swing you find that you aren't actually that hungry, just crave real food, but sometimes that is easier than trying to control normal food. Taking you away from normal food can be quite helpful in controlling the food issue.
I totally see why people do it, the losses are great, the ketosis feeling is quite nice too, but long term I do think they are very bad for you unfortunately.
Deffo agree. This isn't something for long-term only to kick start it. After these four weeks I'll be getting my food. Also yeah it's so much easier to pig out when you're already on food than it is when on liquid. It feels kind of more sacred lol.0 -
weezybeezy91 wrote: »kristen6350 wrote: »I'm not sure why you would want to go on a liquid diet of 1100-1200 calories when you can EAT and have the same affect though? I'm pondering that while choppin' down on some Popcorn...nom nom nom.
I've tried eating that many calories before an didn't lose anything
that's why I'm on this, it's drastic but I've tried so many other things. Geuss our bodies are all different. Also I have PCOS so it's harder for me to lose weight than anyone else
I have PCOS too. Having PCOS means that your BMR is lower than women without PCOS. The process of losing weight is the same though. Eat less than you burn.
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weezybeezy91 wrote: »kristen6350 wrote: »I'm not sure why you would want to go on a liquid diet of 1100-1200 calories when you can EAT and have the same affect though? I'm pondering that while choppin' down on some Popcorn...nom nom nom.
I've tried eating that many calories before an didn't lose anything that's why I'm on this, it's drastic but I've tried so many other things. Geuss our bodies are all different. Also I have PCOS so it's harder for me to lose weight than anyone else
I have PCOS too. Having PCOS means that your BMR is lower than women without PCOS. The process of losing weight is the same though. Eat less than you burn.
Yup. I've lost over 40 pounds with PCOS. Also, if you weren't losing weight with eating 1200 calories then you weren't eating 1200 calories, you were eating more.0 -
weezybeezy91 wrote: »weezybeezy91 wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »How many calories will you be consuming with this diet?
I consume roughly 1000 calories a day which is 200 under what women should take if dieting but it will only be for the first 4 weeks. Once they are over I'll be consuming more
I don't get the point. Why not just eat 1200 calories? Wouldn't that be much more enjoyable?
It's the ketosis effect of the VLCD that makes it easier for people, similar to low-carb. Once you are into it full swing you find that you aren't actually that hungry, just crave real food, but sometimes that is easier than trying to control normal food. Taking you away from normal food can be quite helpful in controlling the food issue.
I totally see why people do it, the losses are great, the ketosis feeling is quite nice too, but long term I do think they are very bad for you unfortunately.
Deffo agree. This isn't something for long-term only to kick start it. After these four weeks I'll be getting my food. Also yeah it's so much easier to pig out when you're already on food than it is when on liquid. It feels kind of more sacred lol.
Yeh, I totally get it.
4 weeks isn't so bad.. what happens after 4 weeks?
What surgery are you considering? I've had a self-funded gastric band before, lost nearly 6 stones but it failed in the end and I regained the weight. I hadn't learnt a thing about healthy eating.
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weezybeezy91 wrote: »strong_curves wrote: »strong_curves wrote: »You won't be smiling if your hair falls out.
Why would her hair fall out?
Very low calorie diets done for long periods of time can cause hair thinning/loss.
Theres no record ( no data) that it happens with this diet, so its a bit general, It doesnt happen to everyone. Thye have made a focus of the diet being nutrient rich.
In balance the diet does look like a possible alternative v bariatric surgery. Its medically supervised so it has some credibility. Still bemused why someone with only 9lb to lose would be put on it as the aeticle suggests its for obese and severely obese patients, where the benefits of losing weight are significant.
I have a hell of a lot more than that to lose lol. I'm 16 stone and need to go down to 9stone. That's my target for four weeks time thank you for looking at the positives
It was based on your ticker. I would still favour the traditional MFP route of learning how to eat and make lifesyle changes as a longer term solution. How much exercise are you doing? Are you lifting weights?0 -
weezybeezy91 wrote: »
No, it's worse than the normal urge, and that's why it fails for a lot of people.
Once you start to eat it's like you've come out of a famine and you want to eat everything, especially carbs and sugar. My experience was of a 650 kcal a day liquid diet, so you may not be so bad if it's 1100-1200.
I've tried all sorts over the years, still fat.. I'm finally realising now that there is no easy option, quick fix etc.. it's all hard and ANY diet will work, you just have to stick to it.
Are you planning to exercise on this diet? and if so, will you be able to eat more?
Hiya yes they've advised me not to excersize for the first four weeks but I have been a bit naughty and gone on a couple of walks.
Yes after the four weeks I'll be having more and more food each month aswell as excersizing.
I really hope you get to your weight soon. It's so tough 0 -
I don't really get why you would choose to consume just liquids, when you could eat consume a similar calorie intake (if the 1100-1200 mentioned earlier was correct - perhaps with exercise a little more, although I know next to nothing about PCOS so pardon me if I'm wrong about your likely BMR) made up of delicious, solid food.
I know you're happy with how things are going at the moment, but it seems from an outside perspective that you are almost certainly making things tougher than they need to be and trickier in the long run. Surely it would make more sense to learn how to eat a balanced diet at the right calorie goal for you, rather than this artificial diet of only liquids? How long are you meant to avoid solids for??0 -
999tigger - I was part of a forum of people on liquid VLCD's and a lot of them had some hair loss, some people had permanent hair loss bald patches, extreme thinning.
I have fine hair already so I wasn't willing to take the risk.
Also, the hair loss happens when you start eating again, not when you are actually doing the diet. Lots of places say it grows back, it's just delayed etc.. but I've read first hand how people are suffering long term with hair issues.
Due to having an ED in the past, my hair thinned by about half. I was lucky that I had pretty thick hair, so if you didn't know me before you wouldn't know...but, man, I miss my hair.
OP, warning you about the dangers of a VLCD is not "putting you down". But since you only came here to tell all the successful MFP members how wrong they are, please, carry on. Those who have already attained the goals you're after aren't worth listening to, after all. No, better to continue believing that you're a victim and everyone is out to get you because of your success.
I have no forum patience today.
If you didn't like what I posted then simply don't read it.
Also I don't think you were here on the original post nor did you read the private messages I was sent?
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I can only speak for myself on this, but I attempted a vlc diet during my first weight loss attempt. I wasn't at all educated on nutrition and didn't understand any of the health risks that went along with it. I wish I would have spent time in these forums back then, I probably would be at my goal weight already, through healthy means. I was eating 1000-1100 calories a day and lasted about 3 months. I managed to lose 30lbs and was THRILLED with the results, but I couldn't control my hunger any more and had more and more frequent binges. My hair fell out. My nails turned brittle. I developed a very unhealthy outlook on food. Finally I gave up and quickly regained all the weight. It took several months after that for my hair to start growing back.
These people are trying to help you understand that there are healthier, easier ways to lose the weight where you won't be miserable. I've been eating up to 1500 calories a day and rarely feel hungry at all. I'm learning what actual serving sizes look like and eating pretty much the same way I will be when I reach my goal weight. I'm not deprived, most of the time I don't feel like I'm on a "diet" at all. As tempting as it is to try to get the weight off as fast as possible, it's not always the best way0 -
I don't really get why you would choose to consume just liquids, when you could eat consume a similar calorie intake (if the 1100-1200 mentioned earlier was correct - perhaps with exercise a little more, although I know next to nothing about PCOS so pardon me if I'm wrong about your likely BMR) made up of delicious, solid food.
I know you're happy with how things are going at the moment, but it seems from an outside perspective that you are almost certainly making things tougher than they need to be and trickier in the long run. Surely it would make more sense to learn how to eat a balanced diet at the right calorie goal for you, rather than this artificial diet of only liquids? How long are you meant to avoid solids for??
I do get what you mean but this is only to kick start the diet. I only have 3 weeks to go then I will be allowed food and excersize.
Also I found it so hard to consume that in calories as my will power sucks. As I have said eating food at all on this diet feels more sacred than a packet of crisps after a meal. I know it sounds stupid but it's just the way my mind works lol I'm sure other dieters get where I'm coming from0 -
Well I know it feels good to lose weight. The bottom line is you are consuming less calories than you burn and your body is reacting. Any diet that restricts calories will create weight loss. I hope you are able to get your weight loss healthy so you don't sacrifice muscle over the fat.0
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weezybeezy91 wrote: »strong_curves wrote: »strong_curves wrote: »You won't be smiling if your hair falls out.
Why would her hair fall out?
Very low calorie diets done for long periods of time can cause hair thinning/loss.
Theres no record ( no data) that it happens with this diet, so its a bit general, It doesnt happen to everyone. Thye have made a focus of the diet being nutrient rich.
In balance the diet does look like a possible alternative v bariatric surgery. Its medically supervised so it has some credibility. Still bemused why someone with only 9lb to lose would be put on it as the aeticle suggests its for obese and severely obese patients, where the benefits of losing weight are significant.
I have a hell of a lot more than that to lose lol. I'm 16 stone and need to go down to 9stone. That's my target for four weeks time thank you for looking at the positives
It was based on your ticker. I would still favour the traditional MFP route of learning how to eat and make lifesyle changes as a longer term solution. How much exercise are you doing? Are you lifting weights?
Yeah I thought you were looking at that lol I just like to see my targets month by month instead of on a whole. Doesn't look so scary.
I'm not supposed to be excersizing for this first month but I will have to once it's up because I will be having food0 -
Long term, you might want to consider low-carb, it helps to control the hunger in a way.0
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cmcdonald525 wrote: »I can only speak for myself on this, but I attempted a vlc diet during my first weight loss attempt. I wasn't at all educated on nutrition and didn't understand any of the health risks that went along with it. I wish I would have spent time in these forums back then, I probably would be at my goal weight already, through healthy means. I was eating 1000-1100 calories a day and lasted about 3 months. I managed to lose 30lbs and was THRILLED with the results, but I couldn't control my hunger any more and had more and more frequent binges. My hair fell out. My nails turned brittle. I developed a very unhealthy outlook on food. Finally I gave up and quickly regained all the weight. It took several months after that for my hair to start growing back.
These people are trying to help you understand that there are healthier, easier ways to lose the weight where you won't be miserable. I've been eating up to 1500 calories a day and rarely feel hungry at all. I'm learning what actual serving sizes look like and eating pretty much the same way I will be when I reach my goal weight. I'm not deprived, most of the time I don't feel like I'm on a "diet" at all. As tempting as it is to try to get the weight off as fast as possible, it's not always the best way
I'm so sorry to hear that you didn't have much success with it. I do welcome anyone with advice and I'm not just focused on hearing the positives, it's just the way people explain it. Theres no need to be rude. Obviously not you but that's the Internet I guess lol0 -
weezybeezy91 wrote: »Why would a hospital put you on this diet? Also, if you don't mind me asking, why were you in the hospital?
I was referred by my doctor after having no luck with losing weight. The hospital put me on the diet for 2 reasons:
1. To kick start weightloss
2. To consider me for biatric surgery, if they can't help me lose weight then this diet would be the one I'd need to go on before and after surgery so they need to know I can follow instructions
Okay your diet makes much more sense now. It's used for specific reasons. To see if you really want to lose weight. To prepare you for what will be your massively reduced intake. To shrink your liver so surgery is easier.
It's not the answer to weight loss but rather a tool for preparing you for surgery.0 -
I started at 16 stone, I'm now 2 stone lighter and still going, eating 1500 calories a day at least depending on exercise. It never occurred to me or was suggested by my GP to consider weight loss surgery. I'm happy, healthier and fitter and eat whatever the hell I want within my calorie goal.
I've also got 10 years on you, at your age I'd just be committing to tracking by using a food scale and measuring cups and getting a bit more active. I can't imagine having such extreme surgery at 24 or living on milk for a month.0 -
weezybeezy91 wrote: »999tigger - I was part of a forum of people on liquid VLCD's and a lot of them had some hair loss, some people had permanent hair loss bald patches, extreme thinning.
I have fine hair already so I wasn't willing to take the risk.
Also, the hair loss happens when you start eating again, not when you are actually doing the diet. Lots of places say it grows back, it's just delayed etc.. but I've read first hand how people are suffering long term with hair issues.
Due to having an ED in the past, my hair thinned by about half. I was lucky that I had pretty thick hair, so if you didn't know me before you wouldn't know...but, man, I miss my hair.
OP, warning you about the dangers of a VLCD is not "putting you down". But since you only came here to tell all the successful MFP members how wrong they are, please, carry on. Those who have already attained the goals you're after aren't worth listening to, after all. No, better to continue believing that you're a victim and everyone is out to get you because of your success.
I have no forum patience today.
If you didn't like what I posted then simply don't read it.
Also I don't think you were here on the original post nor did you read the private messages I was sent?
Okay....If you don't like what others are saying to you, simply don't read it... ? Must be another rule that doesn't apply to you.0 -
thankyou4thevenom wrote: »weezybeezy91 wrote: »Why would a hospital put you on this diet? Also, if you don't mind me asking, why were you in the hospital?
I was referred by my doctor after having no luck with losing weight. The hospital put me on the diet for 2 reasons:
1. To kick start weightloss
2. To consider me for biatric surgery, if they can't help me lose weight then this diet would be the one I'd need to go on before and after surgery so they need to know I can follow instructions
Okay your diet makes much more sense now. It's used for specific reasons. To see if you really want to lose weight. To prepare you for what will be your massively reduced intake. To shrink your liver so surgery is easier.
It's not the answer to weight loss but rather a tool for preparing you for surgery.
Well it is for weightloss too but not long term as that would be ridiculous. I won't go back to food straight away, just replace a pint of milk here and there for food until I can have 100% food0 -
weezybeezy91 wrote: »
Well low-carbing or whatever is just another way of restricting calories... which is the most essential part of weight loss.
Different methods of restricting calories are better, some are stupid, some are dangerous.
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CasperNaegle wrote: »Well I know it feels good to lose weight. The bottom line is you are consuming less calories than you burn and your body is reacting. Any diet that restricts calories will create weight loss. I hope you are able to get your weight loss healthy so you don't sacrifice muscle over the fat.
Thank you and me too. I put my full trust in the obesity clinic, I hope they help0 -
weezybeezy91 wrote: »
Simple CICO is what it all comes down to.0 -
weezybeezy91 wrote: »999tigger - I was part of a forum of people on liquid VLCD's and a lot of them had some hair loss, some people had permanent hair loss bald patches, extreme thinning.
I have fine hair already so I wasn't willing to take the risk.
Also, the hair loss happens when you start eating again, not when you are actually doing the diet. Lots of places say it grows back, it's just delayed etc.. but I've read first hand how people are suffering long term with hair issues.
Due to having an ED in the past, my hair thinned by about half. I was lucky that I had pretty thick hair, so if you didn't know me before you wouldn't know...but, man, I miss my hair.
OP, warning you about the dangers of a VLCD is not "putting you down". But since you only came here to tell all the successful MFP members how wrong they are, please, carry on. Those who have already attained the goals you're after aren't worth listening to, after all. No, better to continue believing that you're a victim and everyone is out to get you because of your success.
I have no forum patience today.
If you didn't like what I posted then simply don't read it.
Also I don't think you were here on the original post nor did you read the private messages I was sent?
Okay....If you don't like what others are saying to you, simply don't read it... ? Must be another rule that doesn't apply to you.
There's a difference to being rude on someone else's post and chosing not to comment on a post you don't like. Ofcourse I'm going to read what people are saying because it's my post lmao. I get a notification for it dear God...0
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