Ectomorph, mesomorph, endomorph....

toutmonpossible

P.S. I also don't believe that a persons body type has anything to do with personality or vise versa.

Of course not, personality is determined by the four humours.

ironanimal

Deactivated. Don't you just love when people get all hissy and pissy when people don't agree with them?

cbc937

If you think its a myth or "broscience" you're an idiot.

1) its been proven that genetics play a role on body types

IE larger bone structure - wider rib cage - longer glycogen levels - metabolism speed

2) The Biophysical Foundations of Human - read it, backed by science



You might not be 100% one type you can be multiple


Me and my roommate are a prime example

Both 200lbs
Both 5'11
Both 13% bf

Me no abs visible
Him 4 pack visible

My calories intake carb cycling 1700-2200
His calories intake no carb cycling 4500

My diet cutting
His diet maintaining

My chest 49"inches
His chest 40" inches


My biceps 17.5"inches 75% bicep
His biceps 17.5"inches 75% tricep

My shoulders 20 inches
His shoulders 16.5 inches

My legs tree trunks
His leg twigs

My waist 34 inches
His waist 28 inches


We have different bone structure
Different muscle response & size
Different metabolism

I'm carb sensitives hes not

We have trained together and dieted together for over 3 years

This is called DIFFERENT body types idiots


I eat every 4-5 hours based on Layne norton
He eats every 2-3 hours based on 99% of the diets out there about cutting and bodybuilding etc êtc

We are roommates and live basically the same life's accept he drinks on some weekends and still gains nothing

Same work same everything, guess what DIFFERENT body types get a clue

Most of you idiots have zero real life experience to even talk about **** and just throw up basic "broscience" opinions not facts.


You can look at two of the biggest men
Jay Cutley and Phil Heath and see different body types / structure and diets


If I eat over 2000 calories I gain weight. If I eat every 3/4 hours in range I gain weight. It has nothing to do with "total calories" in and out... It's body type and TIMING

When my insulin levels are high, when low, when in a catabolic state. I can eat before I sleep and burn fat off regularly if I don't i gain weight


If my roommate who is an ecto/meso does he gains fat unless its a hour prop
Me being pure endo has to eat before i sleep

I've done low calories
High calories
Paleo
1500-5000 calories diets depending on cutting / bulking
No carbs
No fats
Mix of both 30/30/40 split

Me personal carb cycling with 3 days low - 3 regular and 1 refeed works the best with interval cardio or flat out wind sprints

Unlike my roommate who needs carbs for strength I can fast and still hit all my max numbers in the gym just fine. It's ducking genetics which makes the body types


I currently run 1700-2200 and switch calories to a cut phase after a bulk to get ready for a show

25 fat - 35 carbs - 40 protein

This is from experience, not broscience. Facts and science, not some **** article so retard read like most of you who say
Burn those 2000 calories and y'all drop weight!!! Along with shot health issues, no muscle retainment, lose of alot of strength


Why? Because most of these idiots only know how to lift weights and don't understand diets or biology at all.

Closing statement


"In the past it was thought that body types were genetically determined and so did not change throughout life. Researchers now agree that the body types do have a genetic component but that they are also a product of environment. Somatotypes were originally described as genotypes, but they are now considered phenotypes because of the environmental influences on body shape and the fact that somatotype can change throughout life. Anthropometric somatotypes use measurements to describe the shape and composition of the body at a particular point in time."


Learn before you speak. Go do a show where true body manipulation matters or tell that to someone who does body transformation for a living they would laugh in your face.

/game over

ninerbuff

It's broscience. While genetics helps to determine, height, skin color, hair color, etc., energy consumption/use determines body "type". Overeat and one becomes an "endomorph". Undereat to be an "ectomorph".
I used to believe this **** too till I got educated on actual human physiology and researched peer reviewed clinical studies to confirm.
No need to call people idiots.............that's a cope out to an intelligent debate.

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IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness industry for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

cbc937

Ok...I agree with this. The more you burn the more you need to fuel. But (and I am asking seriously, because I do want to know what you think) do you think that because of his body type or that his body type may paly a role in how effectivly/quickly he burns calories or how quickly his body can change/adapt to his training?


Thanks.

Honestly, no. It really does depend on the type of training/sport the athlete would be preparing.

Ok. But is this the same for the regular person who is just starting out in either physical activity or trying to lose weigh?
And thank you for your comment.

This could also apply to someone who is just starting out depending on what type of exercise they prefer, but for the most part no it wouldn't matter. Genetics plays a big role in where we store fat. For the average joe/jane that works a 9-5 and just wants to live a healthier lifestyle, focusing on calorie deficit should be the first place to start. After that, the most technical they should get would be to monitor macro/micro intake for body recomposition. There will be psychological tendencies that vary from person to person. Obviously, not everyone is going to enjoy eating or exercising the same way. However, I do think, overall, excluding medical limitations, everyone can lose weight the same way.

I understand what you are saying. And I agree with the idea that most people generally lose weight by burning more cals then are being eaten. My question is (not trying to be a smarta@@) how are genitcs and having different body types exclusive of one another? Don't genetics play a role in the body type a person has and how/where fat is stored? It's probably not right to say that everyone falls into 1 of only 3 body types. But why is it ok to say it's genics, but it's wrong to say how genetics may give you a certain build/body type...etc that may make it more or less difficult for a person to gain weight/muscle?

You are 100% right - genetics & certain build/body type is EXACTLY what makes body types

Most of these people are 1) fat 2) get advice from other fat people 3) get advice from uneducated people or 4) don't have a clue about it because they only see calories in/out and haven't experienced **** on a every day life of someone else for example

I live with a trainer and my comment prior


Genetics and body types is exactly what makes "body types"

Once against you can be more then one

That girl who said "I don't believe it because I'm small but when I eat bad i get fat in my *kitten*"

That just shows you how dumb you are

You're most likely an ectomorph who's body can easily start to gain eight in the hips

Metabolism bone frame = ecto
Mixed with wide hips and/or thighs of a = meso


Is not rocket science if you could eat like **** like my girl who eats

Pizza and Taco Bell a day @ easily 2500-3000 calories a day and still remains tiny at 110lbs and does as much exercise as a lizard besides the hiking we do some times on Sunday you would be a ectomorph

Guess what it's a "body type" Ding ding

Fast metabolism
Small waist


Or you could be like my ex who weighed around 115 and ate roughly 1500 calories and biked 3 x a week

Small chest/legs but very wide baby making hips and would gain weight of she didnt exercise

A ecto/meso or ecto / endo body type ding ding


She had small wrist and shoulders so more meso then endo


Come to my gym and ill show you 3 physique guys who compete in the exact same weight class / roughly the same weight yet

Different bone structure
Different calorie intake
Different macros per calories
Different muscle mass
Different measurements because of BONE structure


All which lead to "body types"

cbc937

I've read up on biochemistry - took several classes in kinesiology & physiology ...


I suggest you take your *kitten* back to school or stick to kickboxing because you are wrong and contradicting half your statements with

Blah blah blah genetics make a difference ah blah blah, but it has nothing to do with "body types" because its broscience

When in fact it has everything to do with it... Matter of fact if you reword your sentence


Genetics changes body types, bone structures, metabolism, calorie break down it determines your body type, muscle size and density, and where you store calories

Point is proven


And that's in dumb "E" terms

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AntWrig

It's broscience. While genetics helps to determine, height, skin color, hair color, etc., energy consumption/use determines body "type". Overeat and one becomes an "endomorph". Undereat to be an "ectomorph".
I used to believe this **** too till I got educated on actual human physiology and researched peer reviewed clinical studies to confirm.
No need to call people idiots.............that's a cope out to an intelligent debate.

A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness industry for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

Agreed.

ninerbuff

I've read up on biochemistry - took several classes in kinesiology & physiology ...


I suggest you take your *kitten* back to school or stick to kickboxing because you are wrong and contradicting half your statements with

Blah blah blah genetics make a difference ah blah blah, but it has nothing to do with "body types" because its broscience

When in fact it has everything to do with it... Matter of fact if you reword your sentence


Genetics changes body types, bone structures, metabolism, calorie break down it determines your body type, muscle size and density, and where you store calories

Point is proven


And that's in dumb "E" terms

Genetics are predetermined......fact. One can't change skin color, hair color, etc. by diet and exercise. Bone structure is due to genes from parents (unless some hormonal imbalance is present) and more than likely the characteristic of one or both.
Even in the Biophysical foundation of humans it states that humans were once thought of as a genotype, but now are more regarded as a phenotype due to the fact that physical environment affects it directly (in this sense energy intake/use). In other words, the identifying shape (skinny, normal, fat) of one's body isn't directly due to genetics. Yes it does say that.

Research will show you that somatotyping's origin is from the 1940's from a psychologist who deemed the body types. And even then defintions of ectomorph, mesomorph, endomorph (based on Sheldon "somatotyping" number scale) are considered non existant. However combinations of all three are present in just about every human.

In other words..................it's broscience used by the fitness industry and diet industry to take advantage of marketing programs to cater to people who believe it. Consider yourself one of them. Next thing you'll believe "toning" is real too.

Lighten up on the juice. Your answers are more aggressive each time.

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IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness industry for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

LolBroScience

If you think its a myth or "broscience" you're an idiot.

1) its been proven that genetics play a role on body types

IE larger bone structure - wider rib cage - longer glycogen levels - metabolism speed

2) The Biophysical Foundations of Human - read it, backed by science



You might not be 100% one type you can be multiple


Me and my roommate are a prime example

Both 200lbs
Both 5'11
Both 13% bf

Me no abs visible
Him 4 pack visible

My calories intake carb cycling 1700-2200
His calories intake no carb cycling 4500

My diet cutting
His diet maintaining

My chest 49"inches
His chest 40" inches


My biceps 17.5"inches 75% bicep
His biceps 17.5"inches 75% tricep

My shoulders 20 inches
His shoulders 16.5 inches

My legs tree trunks
His leg twigs

My waist 34 inches
His waist 28 inches


We have different bone structure
Different muscle response & size
Different metabolism

I'm carb sensitives hes not

We have trained together and dieted together for over 3 years

This is called DIFFERENT body types idiots


I eat every 4-5 hours based on Layne norton
He eats every 2-3 hours based on 99% of the diets out there about cutting and bodybuilding etc êtc

We are roommates and live basically the same life's accept he drinks on some weekends and still gains nothing

Same work same everything, guess what DIFFERENT body types get a clue

Most of you idiots have zero real life experience to even talk about **** and just throw up basic "broscience" opinions not facts.


You can look at two of the biggest men
Jay Cutley and Phil Heath and see different body types / structure and diets


If I eat over 2000 calories I gain weight. If I eat every 3/4 hours in range I gain weight. It has nothing to do with "total calories" in and out... It's body type and TIMING

When my insulin levels are high, when low, when in a catabolic state. I can eat before I sleep and burn fat off regularly if I don't i gain weight


If my roommate who is an ecto/meso does he gains fat unless its a hour prop
Me being pure endo has to eat before i sleep

I've done low calories
High calories
Paleo
1500-5000 calories diets depending on cutting / bulking
No carbs
No fats
Mix of both 30/30/40 split

Me personal carb cycling with 3 days low - 3 regular and 1 refeed works the best with interval cardio or flat out wind sprints

Unlike my roommate who needs carbs for strength I can fast and still hit all my max numbers in the gym just fine. It's ducking genetics which makes the body types


I currently run 1700-2200 and switch calories to a cut phase after a bulk to get ready for a show

25 fat - 35 carbs - 40 protein

This is from experience, not broscience. Facts and science, not some **** article so retard read like most of you who say
Burn those 2000 calories and y'all drop weight!!! Along with shot health issues, no muscle retainment, lose of alot of strength


Why? Because most of these idiots only know how to lift weights and don't understand diets or biology at all.

Closing statement


"In the past it was thought that body types were genetically determined and so did not change throughout life. Researchers now agree that the body types do have a genetic component but that they are also a product of environment. Somatotypes were originally described as genotypes, but they are now considered phenotypes because of the environmental influences on body shape and the fact that somatotype can change throughout life. Anthropometric somatotypes use measurements to describe the shape and composition of the body at a particular point in time."


Learn before you speak. Go do a show where true body manipulation matters or tell that to someone who does body transformation for a living they would laugh in your face.

/game over

Two things:

1. Ain't no body got time to read all dat.
2. Bro, do you even lift....?

mperrott2205

I don't believe in classifying people in somatypes. There are too many variables to classify anyone person to a body type and be absolutely wrong about it.

Here's what we do know. Really thin people have a tendency to undereat. Really overweight people have a tendency to overeat.
People who are in the normal range, eat enough.

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Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

Have you ever come across a person who can eat all day long and never gain weight or a person who does all the right things, but can't lose weight? Or the guy who burgers and fries but some how manages to build muscle anyway aside from his unhealthy lifestyle?

No.

SomewhatCool

Threads like this = the reason why I love MFP.

Personally, I think stomatotypes are a load of BS. Where's the logic in that? Everybody's body is different; however, some of you seem to want to classify EVERYBODY. ON. EARTH. into three different categories. As I just said, everyone is different. Some people may lose weight(in fat OR muscle) quicker or slower than others, but that's purely because of their own diet choices which sets the basis for their metabolism. In the end, though, everybody loses weight at a caloric deficit. Everybody gains weight at a caloric surplus.

aylajane

This has been an interesting discussion, but I find it very frustrating to keep reading the exchange between OP and the ACE instructor... Because they AGREE and the OP just dont seem to realize it?

ACE instructor: Barring hormonal issues, eating above TDEE will cause weight to increase, eating below TDEE will cause weight to decrease. The rate of increase/decrease depends on how much above/below TDEE consistently.

OP: But everyone's TDEE is different.***

*** OP - this is not a contradiction to his statement. He never says everyone has the same TDEE. In that regard, you are right that everyone is different - they all have different TDEE's determined by all kinds of things like exercise, eating habits, existing muscle mass and fat store. But as the ACE instructor said - eating above **your** TDEE or below **your** TDEE will cause weight to increase or decrease. Not some constant number for everyone of a certain height and weight.

Also, you cant follow "everyone's TDEE is different" with "so the same thing will not work for everyone". As the ACE instructor said, consuming more calories than you expend will cause increased weight and consuming less will cause decrease in weight - that is true for everyone (possibly barring homonal issues). He never said that HOW you expend or consume those calories have to be the same! I can lift weights so I build more muscle and increase my resting BMR, or I can do cardio for an hour a day instead. My personality may determine which of those I will actually DO, but if the net result at the end of the day is that my TDEE is now 200 kc higher than it would have been, the result is the same. My shape will obviously be different since one builds muscle, and muscle will take longer to build up, etc...

Anyway, please just realize you are not really arguing with each other, more like talking past each other...

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ninerbuff

This has been an interesting discussion, but I find it very frustrating to keep reading the exchange between OP and the ACE instructor... Because they AGREE and the OP just dont seem to realize it?

ACE instructor: Barring hormonal issues, eating above TDEE will cause weight to increase, eating below TDEE will cause weight to decrease. The rate of increase/decrease depends on how much above/below TDEE consistently.

OP: But everyone's TDEE is different.***

*** OP - this is not a contradiction to his statement. He never says everyone has the same TDEE. In that regard, you are right that everyone is different - they all have different TDEE's determined by all kinds of things like exercise, eating habits, existing muscle mass and fat store. But as the ACE instructor said - eating above **your** TDEE or below **your** TDEE will cause weight to increase or decrease. Not some constant number for everyone of a certain height and weight.

Also, you cant follow "everyone's TDEE is different" with "so the same thing will not work for everyone". As the ACE instructor said, consuming more calories than you expend will cause increased weight and consuming less will cause decrease in weight - that is true for everyone (possibly barring homonal issues). He never said that HOW you expend or consume those calories have to be the same! I can lift weights so I build more muscle and increase my resting BMR, or I can do cardio for an hour a day instead. My personality may determine which of those I will actually DO, but if the net result at the end of the day is that my TDEE is now 200 kc higher than it would have been, the result is the same. My shape will obviously be different since one builds muscle, and muscle will take longer to build up, etc...

Anyway, please just realize you are not really arguing with each other, more like talking past each other...

Where it comes into disagreement is that the OP feels that eating certain ways applies when it comes to somatotyping. I'll disagree on this point because regardless of body type, adding muscle, losing weight, maintaining weight all have the same approaches (talking about energy increase/decrease/sustained).

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MinimalistShoeAddict

This is clearly a controversial area. Most scientists today dismiss somatotyping at least as it relates to intelligence and others traits Dr. Sheldon was attempting to connect to body types..

"W. H. Sheldon, a researcher who believed that there was a relationship between body shape and intelligence and other traits..... Mr. Sheldon has since died, and his work has long been dismissed by most scientists as quackery. But it was apparently respected from the 1940's through the 1960's, because highly regarded colleges like Yale, Wellesley, Harvard, Princeton, Vassar and Swarthmore allowed him access to their students."

http://www.nytimes.com/1995/01/21/us/nude-photos-are-sealed-at-smithsonian.html

"The reigning school of the time, presided over by E. A. Hooton of Harvard and W. H. Sheldon" -- who directed an institute for physique studies at Columbia University -- "held that a person's body, measured and analyzed, could tell much about intelligence, temperament, moral worth and probable future achievement. The inspiration came from the founder of social Darwinism, Francis Galton, who proposed such a photo archive for the British population."

http://www.nytimes.com/1995/01/15/magazine/the-great-ivy-league-nude-posture-photo-scandal.html?pagewanted=all

cafeaulait7

Oops, another term I use about myself that I didn't know was controversial.

I have big muscles naturally compared to many of my peers. I always have, since childhood. No, I didn't work for them (or not like you'd expect). That makes my brother angry, because he has skinny legs and has to work very hard to build them. My sister has even more muscles than me, but she was always very athletic. If you look at my mom's side of the family, lots of our folks have big frames and more muscle than the average bear

Whatever that's called, I have it. I haven't noticed that I need any special diet or anything, but I do have to remember my lean body mass when figuring out my BMR. I starve on plans designed only for women of my height.

Y'all aren't saying that some families don't naturally pass down different physical traits related to frames, muscles, where they store fat, metabolisms, etc, are you? Because that would be silly. No, not everyone works really hard for how muscular they are, and yes lots of skinny people eat more than you'd expect (or be able to eat yourself and maintain). They've inherited frame differences or metabolisms that help explain it, right?

I can see where the actual theory as given is bunk, but I don't think we should go too far the other way, either. Genetics does play a role in what your body is like, right?

tigersword

Nobody said genetics don't play a role in body type. However, somatotypes don't exist. There's no such thing. Genetic variation is actually very, very small when it comes to biology, and it's mostly superficial, appearance related.