Sugar withdrawal
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Withdrawal would generally involve removing the withdrawal substance completely from your body. If you manage to completely remove sugar from your body, you don't have withdrawal, you die.
When you cut out carbohydrates, you'll have keto flu, which is mostly the effect of having the body switch to ketone production and use as fuel in the brain.
Also, not switch to. Anybody losing weight will already be using a reasonable amount of ketones as fuel.
I suppose the correct terminology would be: to become efficient and reliant on the use of ketone for fuel in the body and glucose, ketones and lactose for the brain.0 -
@WhoWhoWho23 what are you noping at? If you remove sugar you will start to have withdrawal symptoms.
You can't completely remove sugar. I've never had withdrawal symptoms when I cut back on added sugars.
I did not say completely. But when there is a drastic reduction. I stayed under 30g. Some people's bodies have those withdrawal symptoms. Why do you assume that everyone's journey is the same as yours?
The OP is not asking for permission. The OP was posting a funny pic about their mood. Why do you have to try to insert a debate? It's unnecessary.
The OP never said that was her mood. You are reading into it. Maybe she just wanted to share a pic that she thought was funny? Maybe she thought others could relate to the pic?
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@WhoWhoWho23 what are you noping at? If you remove sugar you will start to have withdrawal symptoms.
You can't completely remove sugar. I've never had withdrawal symptoms when I cut back on added sugars.
I did not say completely. But when there is a drastic reduction. I stayed under 30g. Some people's bodies have those withdrawal symptoms. Why do you assume that everyone's journey is the same as yours?
The OP is not asking for permission. The OP was posting a funny pic about their mood. Why do you have to try to insert a debate? It's unnecessary.
The OP never said that was her mood. You are reading into it. Maybe she just wanted to share a pic that she thought was funny? Maybe she thought others could relate to the pic?
Whatever. Looking for a debate. Disinterested.
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@WhoWhoWho23 what are you noping at? If you remove sugar you will start to have withdrawal symptoms.
You can't completely remove sugar. I've never had withdrawal symptoms when I cut back on added sugars.
I did not say completely. But when there is a drastic reduction. I stayed under 30g. Some people's bodies have those withdrawal symptoms. Why do you assume that everyone's journey is the same as yours?
The OP is not asking for permission. The OP was posting a funny pic about their mood. Why do you have to try to insert a debate? It's unnecessary.
The OP never said that was her mood. You are reading into it. Maybe she just wanted to share a pic that she thought was funny? Maybe she thought others could relate to the pic?
Whatever. Looking for a debate. Disinterested.
Then. Stop. Debating.
They never will.0 -
@WhoWhoWho23 what are you noping at? If you remove sugar you will start to have withdrawal symptoms.
You can't completely remove sugar. I've never had withdrawal symptoms when I cut back on added sugars.
I did not say completely. But when there is a drastic reduction. I stayed under 30g. Some people's bodies have those withdrawal symptoms. Why do you assume that everyone's journey is the same as yours?
The OP is not asking for permission. The OP was posting a funny pic about their mood. Why do you have to try to insert a debate? It's unnecessary.
The OP never said that was her mood. You are reading into it. Maybe she just wanted to share a pic that she thought was funny? Maybe she thought others could relate to the pic?
Whatever. Looking for a debate. Disinterested.
Then. Stop. Debating.
I was not debating. I was the first one to reply to the post. I had no idea that people would jump in and start debating me. If you read my initial post, I just laughed, empathized, and told her to hang in there. People have been debating me since. It's silly.
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I didn't use an oxford comma. The statement is "switch ketone production and use". They're one clause, so whether the person has ketones already produced doesn't matter.tennisdude2004 wrote: »Withdrawal would generally involve removing the withdrawal substance completely from your body. If you manage to completely remove sugar from your body, you don't have withdrawal, you die.
When you cut out carbohydrates, you'll have keto flu, which is mostly the effect of having the body switch to ketone production and use as fuel in the brain.
Also, not switch to. Anybody losing weight will already be using a reasonable amount of ketones as fuel.
I suppose the correct terminology would be: to become efficient and reliant on the use of ketone for fuel in the body and glucose, ketones and lactose for the brain.
And if withdrawal is simply any abrupt change in intake, we have withdrawal to everything. We're in constant allostatic flux. Your body does not make substances that you withdrawal from. Your body will contendly make glucose to keep blood sugar levels in line and because the human brain is so important and so energy intensive, it can't work without it. And your brain can't use lactose. As far as I'm aware, none of the human body can directly use lactose, it cleaves it into the constituent monosaccharides. Maybe you meant lactic acid?0 -
@WhoWhoWho23 what are you noping at? If you remove sugar you will start to have withdrawal symptoms.
You can't completely remove sugar. I've never had withdrawal symptoms when I cut back on added sugars.
I did not say completely. But when there is a drastic reduction. I stayed under 30g. Some people's bodies have those withdrawal symptoms. Why do you assume that everyone's journey is the same as yours?
The OP is not asking for permission. The OP was posting a funny pic about their mood. Why do you have to try to insert a debate? It's unnecessary.
The OP never said that was her mood. You are reading into it. Maybe she just wanted to share a pic that she thought was funny? Maybe she thought others could relate to the pic?
Whatever. Looking for a debate. Disinterested.
Ok, it just seemed like you were very interested in debating before. /shrug But whatever is a great way to answer.
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@WhoWhoWho23 what are you noping at? If you remove sugar you will start to have withdrawal symptoms.
You can't completely remove sugar. I've never had withdrawal symptoms when I cut back on added sugars.
I did not say completely. But when there is a drastic reduction. I stayed under 30g. Some people's bodies have those withdrawal symptoms. Why do you assume that everyone's journey is the same as yours?
The OP is not asking for permission. The OP was posting a funny pic about their mood. Why do you have to try to insert a debate? It's unnecessary.
The OP never said that was her mood. You are reading into it. Maybe she just wanted to share a pic that she thought was funny? Maybe she thought others could relate to the pic?
Whatever. Looking for a debate. Disinterested.
Then. Stop. Debating.
Exactly.
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@WhoWhoWho23 what are you noping at? If you remove sugar you will start to have withdrawal symptoms.
You can't completely remove sugar. I've never had withdrawal symptoms when I cut back on added sugars.
I did not say completely. But when there is a drastic reduction. I stayed under 30g. Some people's bodies have those withdrawal symptoms. Why do you assume that everyone's journey is the same as yours?
The OP is not asking for permission. The OP was posting a funny pic about their mood. Why do you have to try to insert a debate? It's unnecessary.
The OP never said that was her mood. You are reading into it. Maybe she just wanted to share a pic that she thought was funny? Maybe she thought others could relate to the pic?
Whatever. Looking for a debate. Disinterested.
Then. Stop. Debating.
Exactly.
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lemurcat12 wrote: »I am counting my macros and trying to maintain 45% protein 25% fat and 30% Carbs. this is lower carb for me. Im not 100% sure where the sugar cravings are coming from. I am trying not to eat processed grains and high sugar fruits at this point in my plan but the weight loss is not going as i expected maybe from the higher level of fat? .......living and learning
Why so high in protein?
I had been reading about carb cycling through Chris and Heidi Powell and wanted to try to carb cycle. these macros are set for my low carb days (macros based on age weight and lifestyle activity thru the powells plan) and my high carb days would be a 5% difference for carbs and against protein but, I am just starting and wanted to get the hang of counting macros before I cycle in more good carbs every third day. seems complicated just to lose some weight huh?
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It seems to me that people who insist sugar is an actual physical addiction, tend to do so because it removes them from taking any personal responsibility for their eating behavior, by allowing them to assume the helpless victim role, instead. I've also noticed that this "it's not my fault!" attitude prevails amongst those who are unsuccessful in achieving and maintaining weight loss.
Just my opinion and observations, to which I am entitled.
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M&M are my favorite,but I can only eat them when I'm not in a stress situation, because my moderation switch is off then. So, not in stress now....pass some of 'em over!
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lemurcat12 wrote: »I am counting my macros and trying to maintain 45% protein 25% fat and 30% Carbs. this is lower carb for me. Im not 100% sure where the sugar cravings are coming from. I am trying not to eat processed grains and high sugar fruits at this point in my plan but the weight loss is not going as i expected maybe from the higher level of fat? .......living and learning
Why so high in protein?
I had been reading about carb cycling through Chris and Heidi Powell and wanted to try to carb cycle. these macros are set for my low carb days (macros based on age weight and lifestyle activity thru the powells plan) and my high carb days would be a 5% difference for carbs and against protein but, I am just starting and wanted to get the hang of counting macros before I cycle in more good carbs every third day. seems complicated just to lose some weight huh?
I have a friend in real life who carb cycles and loves it. It has been effective in helping to control her migraines.
I would agree 45% of protein is pretty high. If you are choosing 30% carbs, have you thought of dividing the other macros evenly? I guess it would really depend on your goals, though, and which keep you satiated so you stay within your calorie goals and/or cut cravings for the type of food you are trying to learn to moderate.0 -
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lemurcat12 wrote: »I am counting my macros and trying to maintain 45% protein 25% fat and 30% Carbs. this is lower carb for me. Im not 100% sure where the sugar cravings are coming from. I am trying not to eat processed grains and high sugar fruits at this point in my plan but the weight loss is not going as i expected maybe from the higher level of fat? .......living and learning
Why so high in protein?
I had been reading about carb cycling through Chris and Heidi Powell and wanted to try to carb cycle. these macros are set for my low carb days (macros based on age weight and lifestyle activity thru the powells plan) and my high carb days would be a 5% difference for carbs and against protein but, I am just starting and wanted to get the hang of counting macros before I cycle in more good carbs every third day. seems complicated just to lose some weight huh?
OP, just keep in mind that carb control is just one way to lose weight, and it works if it helps keep you at a deficit. If you aren't at a calorie deficit, you won't lose, whether you are eating low carb or not. So if it becomes too complicated or doesn't work for you, don't give up entirely! Just try switching to focusing more on the calories and keep at it. I personally could never do low carb, I really don't feel full unless I have some grains in my day, And I consider pizza and ice cream major food groups But I know low carb or carb cycling works great for some people. Best of luck! 0 -
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I didn't use an oxford comma. The statement is "switch ketone production and use". They're one clause, so whether the person has ketones already produced doesn't matter.tennisdude2004 wrote: »Withdrawal would generally involve removing the withdrawal substance completely from your body. If you manage to completely remove sugar from your body, you don't have withdrawal, you die.
When you cut out carbohydrates, you'll have keto flu, which is mostly the effect of having the body switch to ketone production and use as fuel in the brain.
Also, not switch to. Anybody losing weight will already be using a reasonable amount of ketones as fuel.
I suppose the correct terminology would be: to become efficient and reliant on the use of ketone for fuel in the body and glucose, ketones and lactose for the brain.
And if withdrawal is simply any abrupt change in intake, we have withdrawal to everything. We're in constant allostatic flux. Your body does not make substances that you withdrawal from. Your body will contendly make glucose to keep blood sugar levels in line and because the human brain is so important and so energy intensive, it can't work without it. And your brain can't use lactose. As far as I'm aware, none of the human body can directly use lactose, it cleaves it into the constituent monosaccharides. Maybe you meant lactic acid?
Sorry, yes lactate.
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I am not the one that called it sugar withdrawal. I am not interested in trying to pick every word posters say apart. She made a post, and called it sugar withdrawal. I know what she means and I am going with it.
I do believe sugar is addictive though.
Sugar is not addictive.
OP did not say it was, so why bring that up?
Talk about derailing.0 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »
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snickerscharlie wrote: »It seems to me that people who insist sugar is an actual physical addiction, tend to do so because it removes them from taking any personal responsibility for their eating behavior, by allowing them to assume the helpless victim role, instead. I've also noticed that this "it's not my fault!" attitude prevails amongst those who are unsuccessful in achieving and maintaining weight loss.
Just my opinion and observations, to which I am entitled.
Wow. That seems like a huge assumption and sweeping generalization. I find such assumptions and sweeping generalizations, especially about people's character, to be really unhelpful. In fact, I find them to be the start of many unnecessary fights here on MFP as many can take offense at such characterization.
Why do you feel the need to characterize people in such a negative light?
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snickerscharlie wrote: »It seems to me that people who insist sugar is an actual physical addiction, tend to do so because it removes them from taking any personal responsibility for their eating behavior, by allowing them to assume the helpless victim role, instead. I've also noticed that this "it's not my fault!" attitude prevails amongst those who are unsuccessful in achieving and maintaining weight loss.
Just my opinion and observations, to which I am entitled.
I don't see posters with a "sugar addiction > not my fault > helpless victim" attitude.
What I see is people asking for help. They unfortunately frame it in such a way that lead others to make them wrong rather than offering them help.
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lemurcat12 wrote: »I am not the one that called it sugar withdrawal. I am not interested in trying to pick every word posters say apart. She made a post, and called it sugar withdrawal. I know what she means and I am going with it.
I do believe sugar is addictive though.
Sugar is not addictive.
OP did not say it was, so why bring that up?
Talk about derailing.
The OP called this thread "SUGAR WITHDRAWAL" thus indicating that she thought sugar was addictive. If she didnt mean it, that's fine. But that's why addiction came up.
Again my original post said nothing about sugar being addictive but when people jumped down her back about why sugar isn't bad and that it's not addictive, I responded that I think it is. Read the entire thread. I did not start a debate. You all did.0 -
@WhoWhoWho23 what are you noping at? If you remove sugar you will start to have withdrawal symptoms.
You can't completely remove sugar. I've never had withdrawal symptoms when I cut back on added sugars.
I did not say completely. But when there is a drastic reduction. I stayed under 30g. Some people's bodies have those withdrawal symptoms. Why do you assume that everyone's journey is the same as yours?
The OP is not asking for permission. The OP was posting a funny pic about their mood. Why do you have to try to insert a debate? It's unnecessary.
The OP never said that was her mood. You are reading into it. Maybe she just wanted to share a pic that she thought was funny? Maybe she thought others could relate to the pic?
Whatever. Looking for a debate. Disinterested.
Lol! If I knew how to post one back I would
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lemurcat12 wrote: »I am not the one that called it sugar withdrawal. I am not interested in trying to pick every word posters say apart. She made a post, and called it sugar withdrawal. I know what she means and I am going with it.
I do believe sugar is addictive though.
Sugar is not addictive.
OP did not say it was, so why bring that up?
Talk about derailing.
The OP called this thread "SUGAR WITHDRAWAL" thus indicating that she thought sugar was addictive. If she didnt mean it, that's fine. But that's why addiction came up.
Didn't a bunch of people post and say the term withdrawal is often used casually and does not mean that you are really claiming addiction?
That's what I choose to believe unless OP says otherwise.
You are the one who brought up addiction.
I cut out added sugar and had zero symptoms, and I don't think there's any scientific reason for symptoms from that. Might you miss it? Sure.0 -
tennisdude2004 wrote: »Withdrawal would generally involve removing the withdrawal substance completely from your body. If you manage to completely remove sugar from your body, you don't have withdrawal, you die.
When you cut out carbohydrates, you'll have keto flu, which is mostly the effect of having the body switch to ketone production and use as fuel in the brain.
Drug withdrawal is the group of symptoms that occur upon the abrupt discontinuation or decrease in intake of medications or recreational drugs.
Difference being that your body doesn't create more of a drug or medication by itself if you discontinue it.0
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