Going (mostly) veggie just to lose weight
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wow, people is dense.
if you put 2 people on a 2k cals diet, on of veggies and one of meat(both in a deficit)
the meat one will lose weight, yes, but he would lose weight slower than the one in the veggies diet.
Actually the opposite is true.
Initially a low carb diet (the meat one) will lose significant amounts of weight due to glucose sheathing effect. That initial weight will be mostly water but it will be quite large.
Over a long period of time the weight loss will be about the same.0 -
juggernaut1974 wrote: »Vegetarians are all vampires who sneak into the rooms of fair maidens at night and steal their souls.
I mean since the standard set is that we only have to declare something and it's automatically true with no citations whatsoever
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cwolfman13 wrote: »wow, people is dense.
if you put 2 people on a 2k diet, on of veggies and one on meat(deficit)
the meat one will lose weight, yes, but he would lose weight slower than the one in the veggies diet.
one would be hard pressed to eat 2K worth of veggies...and they would also be lacking nutritionally. vegans eat more than just veggies. i know fat vegetarians and fat vegans and fat omnivores.
lol, like if eating only meat is healthy...
male vegans are in average 10-20lbs lighter than meat eaters, thats a fact.
Possibly, but this is due to veganism being a diet that tends to eliminate many calorie dense food such as anything with butter, cream, animal fats... etc.0 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »wow, people is dense.
if you put 2 people on a 2k diet, on of veggies and one on meat(deficit)
the meat one will lose weight, yes, but he would lose weight slower than the one in the veggies diet.
one would be hard pressed to eat 2K worth of veggies...and they would also be lacking nutritionally. vegans eat more than just veggies. i know fat vegetarians and fat vegans and fat omnivores.
lol, like if eating only meat is healthy...
male vegans are in average 10-20lbs lighter than meat eaters, thats a fact.
where did i ever say eating only meat was healthy...i think perhaps you are the dense little troll...
by the by, i eat a substantially plant based diet...
You didn't, but when people have nothing to back up their arguments they tend to grasp at straws and extremes. But jokes on them because once they start doing this, they've already lost.0 -
In the event you are in free fall in an elevator just jump prior to impact. No harm will come to you.tincanonastring wrote: »You can survive a fall from any height by flapping your arms right before you hit the ground.
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tincanonastring wrote: »In a 1999 poll, 87% of US respondents were unable to point to the USSR on a global map.
Sarah Palin ran the poll.0 -
_Terrapin_ wrote: »
In the event you are in free fall in an elevator just jump prior to impact. No harm will come to you.tincanonastring wrote: »You can survive a fall from any height by flapping your arms right before you hit the ground.
will you guys feel guilty if I go try this right now? will it help if I am eating a hamburger on impact?
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starwhisperer6 wrote: »_Terrapin_ wrote: »
In the event you are in free fall in an elevator just jump prior to impact. No harm will come to you.tincanonastring wrote: »You can survive a fall from any height by flapping your arms right before you hit the ground.
will you guys feel guilty if I go try this right now? will it help if I am eating a hamburger on impact?
Um...don't try this? Crud. I didn't think this through.0 -
Just wanted to let you know... I have been vegetarian for 18.5 years. I do eat dairy and eggs, but I will just say... at the beginning of June I was 226.6 pounds. I can't believe I just said that, but I was. Vegetarians and vegans can be vastly overweight and obese. I know more overweight/obese/morbidly obese veggies than I do fit ones. Cutting meat could help you cut calories, but beware, we veggies often can find something high in calories to make up for that.0
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Kimegatron wrote: »Just wanted to let you know... I have been vegetarian for 18.5 years. I do eat dairy and eggs, but I will just say... at the beginning of June I was 226.6 pounds. I can't believe I just said that, but I was. Vegetarians and vegans can be vastly overweight and obese. I know more overweight/obese/morbidly obese veggies than I do fit ones. Cutting meat could help you cut calories, but beware, we veggies often can find something high in calories to make up for that.
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juggernaut1974 wrote: »In other news... 12 inches of string is actually longer than 12 inches of wire.
Also somewhat surprisingly, A pound of feathers actually weighs more than a pound of bricks
A pound of tooty also weighs more than a pound of booty. Unless you are watching "Rudy". Then the opposite. I just wanted to bring something to the table.0 -
starwhisperer6 wrote: »_Terrapin_ wrote: »
In the event you are in free fall in an elevator just jump prior to impact. No harm will come to you.tincanonastring wrote: »You can survive a fall from any height by flapping your arms right before you hit the ground.
will you guys feel guilty if I go try this right now? will it help if I am eating a hamburger on impact?
No, but you'll die happy.
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PikaKnight wrote: »Kimegatron wrote: »Just wanted to let you know... I have been vegetarian for 18.5 years. I do eat dairy and eggs, but I will just say... at the beginning of June I was 226.6 pounds. I can't believe I just said that, but I was. Vegetarians and vegans can be vastly overweight and obese. I know more overweight/obese/morbidly obese veggies than I do fit ones. Cutting meat could help you cut calories, but beware, we veggies often can find something high in calories to make up for that.
You have no idea how happy I am that it is David Tenant...0 -
Kimegatron wrote: »PikaKnight wrote: »Kimegatron wrote: »Just wanted to let you know... I have been vegetarian for 18.5 years. I do eat dairy and eggs, but I will just say... at the beginning of June I was 226.6 pounds. I can't believe I just said that, but I was. Vegetarians and vegans can be vastly overweight and obese. I know more overweight/obese/morbidly obese veggies than I do fit ones. Cutting meat could help you cut calories, but beware, we veggies often can find something high in calories to make up for that.
You have no idea how happy I am that it is David Tenant...
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If you only eat green vegetables and plants, you will gain the ability to photosynthesize. This will, of course change your daily caloric needs and you will have to adjust your MFP settings at that point.0
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pollypocket1021 wrote: »If you only eat green vegetables and plants, you will gain the ability to photosynthesize. This will, of course change your daily caloric needs and you will have to adjust your MFP settings at that point.
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Shakybabe,
Vegetarianism is not a weight loss strategy. It is probably true that vegetarians as a group are thinner than the rest, but it has more to do with having a healthier lifestyle, paying more attention to what they eat and avoiding a junk food diet. Of course nothing stops a vegetarian from eating candy. That is how I gained weight.
One possible advantage to eating vegetables over another food is that they usually have more volume for the same amount of calories so they can sate hunger better than a candy bar of the same calories. Of course so can soup, and for much the same reason. I drink a lot of water, and eat a lot of soup.
You will lose weight by a mixture of more activity and eating less calories. It does not matter if the calories are from carrots, celery, chocolate or pig hoof. But while you cut calories you do have to eat enough protein and vitamins to stay healthy. I suggest using this forum's logging to be sure you eat enough protein, and if you have any doubt about getting enough vitamins, add a daily vitamin and an iron supplement. Figure around 50 grams of protein a day on average to be on the safe side.
Weight loss happens when you eat less calories than you burn.
You succeed in staying under that calorie amount when you find ways to not let hunger/boredom/whatever push you to eat too much. Give some thought to why you have been over-eating and solve those problems. Then weight loss will be *much* easier and your chance of not gaining back the weight after you finish dieting much higher.
Good Luck!0 -
tincanonastring wrote: »In a 1999 poll, 87% of US respondents were unable to point to the USSR on a global map.
Not surprising, since the USSR no longer existed in 1999, and so it would not have been on the map.0 -
_nicolemarie_ wrote: »
no ma'am, a calorie is not a calorie.
Yes sir, a calorie is a calories as to weight loss.
However, they are are not nutritionally the same.0 -
wow this discussion really took off whilst I was away...lol!
My friends eldest was chubby as a young teen and decided she wanted to go vegetarian, she also doesn't eat eggs cos she doesn't like them but I think she does eat cheese and some kind of milk (soy milk possibly) and she really slimmed down. We thought it was just gonna be fad and not last but she is still vegetarian 5 yrs later and has grown tall and slim.
Whilst I'm not expecting to grow anymore (height wise) as I'm 46 not 14! .... personally I don't know any fat vegetarians! Not including the fact I've been housebound for years but when I did go to uni and work all the veggies I know were tall and skinny and lived on Beanburgers from McDonalds (though that could have been a student thing cos that's all they could afford!)
I'm only 5ft 4 but was consistently around 9st 7 when I could walk everywhere and did eat meat so I can see your point. My diet was far from its healthiest at University, but I remember being a size 12 and fitting in Levi 501's!
As there's no way I can be that active again though I need another way to get the weight loss wheels in motion and something that will jump start my weight loss to get going.0 -
wow this discussion really took off whilst I was away...lol!
My friends eldest was chubby as a young teen and decided she wanted to go vegetarian, she also doesn't eat eggs cos she doesn't like them but I think she does eat cheese and some kind of milk (soy milk possibly) and she really slimmed down. We thought it was just gonna be fad and not last but she is still vegetarian 5 yrs later and has grown tall and slim.
Whilst I'm not expecting to grow anymore (height wise) as I'm 46 not 14! .... personally I don't know any fat vegetarians! Not including the fact I've been housebound for years but when I did go to uni and work all the veggies I know were tall and skinny and lived on Beanburgers from McDonalds (though that could have been a student thing cos that's all they could afford!)
I'm only 5ft 4 but was consistently around 9st 7 when I could walk everywhere and did eat meat so I can see your point. My diet was far from its healthiest at University, but I remember being a size 12 and fitting in Levi 501's!
As there's no way I can be that active again though I need another way to get the weight loss wheels in motion and something that will jump start my weight loss to get going.
Come back in a year and let us know how you did. Nobody ever does that. I'm curious when people convince themselves and make up their minds to do something. What happens long term?0 -
I was a fat vegetarian! There are a lot of us out there, believe me..... personally I don't know any fat vegetarians! Not including the fact I've been housebound for years but when I did go to uni and work all the veggies I know were tall and skinny and lived on Beanburgers from McDonalds (though that could have been a student thing cos that's all they could afford!)
It's not what you're eating that makes you fat, but how much of it.0 -
I found that eating less meat than I used to helps a great deal with reaching my weight loss goals. I ate 3x the daily protein requirement and 3x the sugar and carbs.
I now acknowlege the balanced diet. It's not a matter of what class of eating loses weight faster to me, but rather losing and sustaining my weight and fulfilling my body's nutritional needs. One half gram per pound of protein is what is widely suggested. The amount of amino acids needed so my body will sustain itself.
Carbs and fats play just as an important roll also. I prefer omega3 and omega6 and refrain from animal fat as much as possible. I still eat my ribs, but not as frequently.
So if you want to be Vegan ; go right ahead. Keep in mind to fulfill your body's nutritional needs.
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The two biggest squishyest most unhealthy people I know are vegetarians...
All I know is that vegetarians can also be unhealthy and overweight.
Op - eggs are a great source of protein and not too expensive.0 -
You ll certainly lose muscle faster...0
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Expatmommy79 wrote: »The two biggest squishyest most unhealthy people I know are vegetarians...
All I know is that vegetarians can also be unhealthy and overweight.
Op - eggs are a great source of protein and not too expensive.
I do like eggs but what can I have with them instead of bread? as I'd like to reduce grains too.. I bought GF bread this time incase my prob was wheat belly, its so expensive though so can't afford as much bread so it has to last longer. Next time I can get a free food delivery now is about 6th Jan. (if not snowed in then) I do use GF pasta and use rice more, tried quinoa and lentils before and didn't like them.
I thought meat would add an extra couple of hundred cals to a meal easily for example a bowl of salad consisting of:
lettuce
1 medium sliced tomato
bit of raw onion
2-3 pieces of sliced beetroot
sometimes have grated carrot on top if i have carrots in but thats my basic 'side salad' with a small squeeze of salad cream on .. if add half a tin of tuna to that or a bit of cheese, or small sweet potato surely that wouldn't total same amount of calories than if you add a large chicken breast or a small chicken thigh? ..which would surely take your healthy meal to 500 cals or over?0 -
The first time i gained weight was when i went veggie. I stayed about 20lbs over my usual weight the 12 years i was veggie. its cico that matters and i feel much fuller and am much much lighter as an omnivore.0
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if you put 2 people on a 2k cals diet, on of veggies and one of meat(both in a deficit)
the meat one will lose weight, yes, but he would lose weight slower than the one in the veggies diet.
nope, dead wrong.
there loss will be roughly the same within about 5% of each other.
also, good luck eating 2000 calories of just vegetables or just meat, as both diets would be lacking in nutrients and macros….0 -
Expatmommy79 wrote: »The two biggest squishyest most unhealthy people I know are vegetarians...
All I know is that vegetarians can also be unhealthy and overweight.
Op - eggs are a great source of protein and not too expensive.
I do like eggs but what can I have with them instead of bread? as I'd like to reduce grains too..
I don't like bread that much, so have never eaten it with breakfast. I eat most mornings a two egg vegetable omelet. Since I usually like a few more calories at breakfast I typically have some other sort of protein -- cottage cheese or smoked salmon, most often -- on the side and maybe some fruit.
IMO, protein helps a lot with staying satisfied on fewer calories, which is why going veggie wouldn't help me lose or maintain my weight. (Going vegan probably would, since it would cut out some high cal things I love, like cheese, but I don't think I could sustain it without an ethical commitment.)
If you don't like lots of vegetarian protein sources, like legumes, this is going to be tougher.I thought meat would add an extra couple of hundred cals to a meal easily for example a bowl of salad consisting of:
lettuce
1 medium sliced tomato
bit of raw onion
2-3 pieces of sliced beetroot
sometimes have grated carrot on top if i have carrots in but thats my basic 'side salad' with a small squeeze of salad cream on .. if add half a tin of tuna to that or a bit of cheese, or small sweet potato surely that wouldn't total same amount of calories than if you add a large chicken breast or a small chicken thigh? ..which would surely take your healthy meal to 500 cals or over?
Tuna is meat. Chicken and turkey breast, like fish, are pretty low cal. Lean pork and beef isn't much higher cal. It all depends on what you add. But also you need protein, and vegetarian sources of protein can be just as high cal, depending -- beans to me are very filling for their calories, but a serving size is similar calories to a normal serving of meat, IMO. Cheese or full fat dairy is obviously higher. Eggs are great, but their protein per calorie is worse than lean meat.
Anyway, it all depends on your goals.0
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