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That thread is wonderful - thanks for posting the link.0
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OP, I doubt you're still reading this, but I'm going to take a slightly different approach:
You said MFP gave you 1580 calories to lose 2 pounds per week. You also said that you exercise 2-3x per week, but that you haven't exercised in a week, so we're going to ignore the effects of exercise for the purposes of this example. You also said that you're eating 1300 calories per day.
That means you're creating an additional deficit of 280 calories per day (1580 - 1300 = 280), or an additional deficit of 1960 calories per week. That's only an additional loss of .5 pounds per week, so the most you'll lose at 1300 calories per day (ignoring any exercise you may or may not be doing) is 2.5 pounds per week. (That's also assuming that you're calculating those 1300 calories as accurately as possible, using a food scale.)
On your current plan, in three weeks, you'll lose 7.5 pounds, not the 14 you want to lose. If you fail at your goal of losing 14 pounds, because math and reality say that you will, what's going to happen? Rather than being thrilled that you lost 7.5 pounds, which is WONDERFUL, will you be frustrated/disappointed/ready to give up? That's a big reason why people here will try to talk you out of setting unreasonable goals.0 -
Right, just because this is coming up so much in this thread and frankly it's just factually incorrect, I'd like to ask how many people out there have gone through medical school, come from a medical family or move in scientific circles?
This is not a trick question, to insult anyone or to sound pretentious but merely because all this misinformation about doctors not knowing anything about nutrition would be funny if it wasn't so wrong.
When you study medicine, you do not just do credit courses or just one term/semester courses in something like nutrition like you would saying a semester in medieval literature in a English literature course or, as an example used above, take a semester course in civil war as part of a communications or history degree.
Throughout your studies (and training) the way doctors learn and understand nutrition is through biochemistry, organic chemistry, how the body processes foods, what macro and micro nutrients are needed which also feeds into the effects on physiology and anatomy just on a base level. There's no set course and suggesting otherwise is ridiculous.
Not all doctors are morons when it comes to nutrition. They're not.
Now of course there are doctors out there, most commonly GPs, who do what their title says "general practice" and therefore after dealing with blanket diagnosis and general ailments can therefore lead to some generalisation and therefore losing sharpness in certain areas. And yes some are out of touch and when it comes to not just nutrition, some could sharpen up. Some are just *kitten* - like any percentage of people in any job field.
Yes there are people who have focused or are nutritional medicine specialists and nutritionists.
But can we stop with blanket statements about ALL doctors somehow being useless at nutrition because they all aren't.
Where do you think the nutritional specialists get their information and update their practices often? It's doctors and the scientists that apply their knowledge to research and their solid and long grounding in understanding the body to a cellular basis that allows them to do all those papers that we cite and to follow nutritionists that also guide us.
That's a lot of words defending something that was never said. Most, if not all, have used the term GP specifically.
Again, the back and forth through the threads arguing that doctors do a semester course in nutrition and don't know much about it is on this thread several times.
Don't know or aren't trained?
If they're as well trained in versed in nutrition, how did we come across this meal plan again?
I mean we are talking about this meal plan...right....eating it every day?
Breakfast - all bran/cornflakes with milk, and fruit
Lunch - Tuna/Egg Salad
Dinner - Lean Meat salad or veg
snacks - raw veg.. or fruit0 -
Slimdownmb wrote: »My personal note: I Iost a lot of weight once in a very fast manner like you're attempting. It did not go well for me. It came back. After losing it again, more slowly with realistic goals, I've maintained for years. Good luck.Sorry but what?
1 stone IS NOT a lot of weight to loose when your 20 stone - and 4 WEEKS... is not a that bad. - My main aim is just to give myself a boost, and i'm sorry but the majority of posts on this discussion has plummeted my mood - i was motivated, confident and extremely happy this morning. I totally regret my decision to write on here and try to obtain a few simple tips and tricks.
wasn't worth it
What's more important to you, being right or not being fat anymore?0 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/1088600/dear-mean-people-of-mfp#latest
Seems that someone in this thread needs to read this.
Yes, you. You know who you are. The ones that told me I was doing it wrong. The ones who called me a “special snowflake”, and said that my diet plan was crap. Well, I have something I want to say.
THANK YOU.
Seriously, thank you. I came in here a year and a half ago not having all that much to lose. Still, I was eating 1200 cals (at 5’9 and running marathons). You called this stupid. I was restricting what I ate. No wine, no ice cream, nothing that wasn't 'healthy'. You called this unnecessary. I did an acai berry cleanse. You rolled your eyes so hard you almost broke something.
I was so mad at you. How dare you not respect that I know what is best for me? I was working so hard, why didn’t you see that? I cried over those 10 pounds that I wanted to lose so badly. Why couldn’t you sympathize with me?
Then I started to listen to you. After all, what did I have to lose, except those 10lbs? Everything I was doing wasn’t working anyway, so I gave what you had to say a shot. I picked up some weights. I upped my calories. I got over myself.
And you know what? It worked. My god, it worked so well. I look better now than at any point before in my life. I have PRed ever race I ran in the last year. I WON a race yesterday. I didn't win my age group, I won the whole thing. I am strong, I am healthy, and most importantly, I am happy. I am not constantly on a diet. I eat things that give me pleasure. I don’t waste my money on bullsh*t.
You didn’t say it nicely. You didn’t gift-wrap advice in a pretty bow. You didn’t tell me what I wanted to hear, but you told me what I needed to hear, and I thank you. I’m sorry I didn’t believe you sooner.
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What some people fail to realise is many GP's spend very little time studying nutrition and may have studied 30 years ago. Current evidence shows very different findings from the old ways of thinking. And yes actually, I think if you stick around and read through the forums a bit more, there are people on here with much more knowledge and qualifications in nutrition and fitness than a gp
To the op, I hope you come to realise that people are only trying to guide you with their vast amount of experience and knowledge0 -
Do you have water weight to lose (i.e. are you coming off of maintenance or from eating a surplus)? If you're just starting out, it's not completely impossible. If you have been on a deficit before you set this goal, then it would likely be unreasonable unless you have a lot to lose. And I mean more than what you probably think of as a lot.
Honestly, when I was reading your post, I think you have a decent plan - so whatever happens happens! If it doesn't work out (if you fall off track) you might consider increasing to 1400 - 1500 calories a day and incorporating a bit more fun items in. Just to take the edge off.
My tip would be to work a small "unhealthy" treat into your calories once a week or something, just to satisfy that part of yourself. That being said, you might make it easily for 2 weeks without. That's how I am. My 3rd week of deficit is always the hardest (and I must admit it has been foiling me lately).
And if you stay on track with your plan but don't lose 14 lbs by the end of the three weeks, just keep going! Any weight you lost during that time is still worthwhile.
ETA: You might find you need to add in some fatty items to keep yourself feeling full. Consider nuts and avocados.. that kind of thing for snacks/meals. Also... you can always mix up your fish! While the plan says tuna, I'm sure salmon, shrimp, and many other fish are also good options.
ETA2: I commented before I read the whole thread. But I think as long as you keep trying even after your deadline passes, you'll work it out. We all need a little trial and error to find the path that works for us.
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Carlos_421 wrote: »http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/1088600/dear-mean-people-of-mfp#latest
Seems that someone in this thread needs to read this.
Yes, you. You know who you are. The ones that told me I was doing it wrong. The ones who called me a “special snowflake”, and said that my diet plan was crap. Well, I have something I want to say.
THANK YOU.
Seriously, thank you. I came in here a year and a half ago not having all that much to lose. Still, I was eating 1200 cals (at 5’9 and running marathons). You called this stupid. I was restricting what I ate. No wine, no ice cream, nothing that wasn't 'healthy'. You called this unnecessary. I did an acai berry cleanse. You rolled your eyes so hard you almost broke something.
I was so mad at you. How dare you not respect that I know what is best for me? I was working so hard, why didn’t you see that? I cried over those 10 pounds that I wanted to lose so badly. Why couldn’t you sympathize with me?
Then I started to listen to you. After all, what did I have to lose, except those 10lbs? Everything I was doing wasn’t working anyway, so I gave what you had to say a shot. I picked up some weights. I upped my calories. I got over myself.
And you know what? It worked. My god, it worked so well. I look better now than at any point before in my life. I have PRed ever race I ran in the last year. I WON a race yesterday. I didn't win my age group, I won the whole thing. I am strong, I am healthy, and most importantly, I am happy. I am not constantly on a diet. I eat things that give me pleasure. I don’t waste my money on bullsh*t.
You didn’t say it nicely. You didn’t gift-wrap advice in a pretty bow. You didn’t tell me what I wanted to hear, but you told me what I needed to hear, and I thank you. I’m sorry I didn’t believe you sooner.
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queenliz99 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/1088600/dear-mean-people-of-mfp#latest
Seems that someone in this thread needs to read this.
Yes, you. You know who you are. The ones that told me I was doing it wrong. The ones who called me a “special snowflake”, and said that my diet plan was crap. Well, I have something I want to say.
THANK YOU.
Seriously, thank you. I came in here a year and a half ago not having all that much to lose. Still, I was eating 1200 cals (at 5’9 and running marathons). You called this stupid. I was restricting what I ate. No wine, no ice cream, nothing that wasn't 'healthy'. You called this unnecessary. I did an acai berry cleanse. You rolled your eyes so hard you almost broke something.
I was so mad at you. How dare you not respect that I know what is best for me? I was working so hard, why didn’t you see that? I cried over those 10 pounds that I wanted to lose so badly. Why couldn’t you sympathize with me?
Then I started to listen to you. After all, what did I have to lose, except those 10lbs? Everything I was doing wasn’t working anyway, so I gave what you had to say a shot. I picked up some weights. I upped my calories. I got over myself.
And you know what? It worked. My god, it worked so well. I look better now than at any point before in my life. I have PRed ever race I ran in the last year. I WON a race yesterday. I didn't win my age group, I won the whole thing. I am strong, I am healthy, and most importantly, I am happy. I am not constantly on a diet. I eat things that give me pleasure. I don’t waste my money on bullsh*t.
You didn’t say it nicely. You didn’t gift-wrap advice in a pretty bow. You didn’t tell me what I wanted to hear, but you told me what I needed to hear, and I thank you. I’m sorry I didn’t believe you sooner.
Hugs and cat gifs…
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We soooooo need a like button. Some of the posts I read on here and I'm literally sat here shouting bravo at the screen. Hubby always knows when I'm on mfp0
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Carlos_421 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/1088600/dear-mean-people-of-mfp#latest
Seems that someone in this thread needs to read this.
Yes, you. You know who you are. The ones that told me I was doing it wrong. The ones who called me a “special snowflake”, and said that my diet plan was crap. Well, I have something I want to say.
THANK YOU.
Seriously, thank you. I came in here a year and a half ago not having all that much to lose. Still, I was eating 1200 cals (at 5’9 and running marathons). You called this stupid. I was restricting what I ate. No wine, no ice cream, nothing that wasn't 'healthy'. You called this unnecessary. I did an acai berry cleanse. You rolled your eyes so hard you almost broke something.
I was so mad at you. How dare you not respect that I know what is best for me? I was working so hard, why didn’t you see that? I cried over those 10 pounds that I wanted to lose so badly. Why couldn’t you sympathize with me?
Then I started to listen to you. After all, what did I have to lose, except those 10lbs? Everything I was doing wasn’t working anyway, so I gave what you had to say a shot. I picked up some weights. I upped my calories. I got over myself.
And you know what? It worked. My god, it worked so well. I look better now than at any point before in my life. I have PRed ever race I ran in the last year. I WON a race yesterday. I didn't win my age group, I won the whole thing. I am strong, I am healthy, and most importantly, I am happy. I am not constantly on a diet. I eat things that give me pleasure. I don’t waste my money on bullsh*t.
You didn’t say it nicely. You didn’t gift-wrap advice in a pretty bow. You didn’t tell me what I wanted to hear, but you told me what I needed to hear, and I thank you. I’m sorry I didn’t believe you sooner.
Hugs and cat gifs…
This needs a huge Like button.
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juggernaut1974 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/1088600/dear-mean-people-of-mfp#latest
Seems that someone in this thread needs to read this.
Yes, you. You know who you are. The ones that told me I was doing it wrong. The ones who called me a “special snowflake”, and said that my diet plan was crap. Well, I have something I want to say.
THANK YOU.
Seriously, thank you. I came in here a year and a half ago not having all that much to lose. Still, I was eating 1200 cals (at 5’9 and running marathons). You called this stupid. I was restricting what I ate. No wine, no ice cream, nothing that wasn't 'healthy'. You called this unnecessary. I did an acai berry cleanse. You rolled your eyes so hard you almost broke something.
I was so mad at you. How dare you not respect that I know what is best for me? I was working so hard, why didn’t you see that? I cried over those 10 pounds that I wanted to lose so badly. Why couldn’t you sympathize with me?
Then I started to listen to you. After all, what did I have to lose, except those 10lbs? Everything I was doing wasn’t working anyway, so I gave what you had to say a shot. I picked up some weights. I upped my calories. I got over myself.
And you know what? It worked. My god, it worked so well. I look better now than at any point before in my life. I have PRed ever race I ran in the last year. I WON a race yesterday. I didn't win my age group, I won the whole thing. I am strong, I am healthy, and most importantly, I am happy. I am not constantly on a diet. I eat things that give me pleasure. I don’t waste my money on bullsh*t.
You didn’t say it nicely. You didn’t gift-wrap advice in a pretty bow. You didn’t tell me what I wanted to hear, but you told me what I needed to hear, and I thank you. I’m sorry I didn’t believe you sooner.
Hugs and cat gifs…
This needs a huge Like button.
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juggernaut1974 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/1088600/dear-mean-people-of-mfp#latest
Seems that someone in this thread needs to read this.
Yes, you. You know who you are. The ones that told me I was doing it wrong. The ones who called me a “special snowflake”, and said that my diet plan was crap. Well, I have something I want to say.
THANK YOU.
Seriously, thank you. I came in here a year and a half ago not having all that much to lose. Still, I was eating 1200 cals (at 5’9 and running marathons). You called this stupid. I was restricting what I ate. No wine, no ice cream, nothing that wasn't 'healthy'. You called this unnecessary. I did an acai berry cleanse. You rolled your eyes so hard you almost broke something.
I was so mad at you. How dare you not respect that I know what is best for me? I was working so hard, why didn’t you see that? I cried over those 10 pounds that I wanted to lose so badly. Why couldn’t you sympathize with me?
Then I started to listen to you. After all, what did I have to lose, except those 10lbs? Everything I was doing wasn’t working anyway, so I gave what you had to say a shot. I picked up some weights. I upped my calories. I got over myself.
And you know what? It worked. My god, it worked so well. I look better now than at any point before in my life. I have PRed ever race I ran in the last year. I WON a race yesterday. I didn't win my age group, I won the whole thing. I am strong, I am healthy, and most importantly, I am happy. I am not constantly on a diet. I eat things that give me pleasure. I don’t waste my money on bullsh*t.
You didn’t say it nicely. You didn’t gift-wrap advice in a pretty bow. You didn’t tell me what I wanted to hear, but you told me what I needed to hear, and I thank you. I’m sorry I didn’t believe you sooner.
Hugs and cat gifs…
This needs a huge Like button.
Tried to click it...didn't work...
Click harder
Maybe a double tap? No?0 -
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queenliz99 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/1088600/dear-mean-people-of-mfp#latest
Seems that someone in this thread needs to read this.
Yes, you. You know who you are. The ones that told me I was doing it wrong. The ones who called me a “special snowflake”, and said that my diet plan was crap. Well, I have something I want to say.
THANK YOU.
Seriously, thank you. I came in here a year and a half ago not having all that much to lose. Still, I was eating 1200 cals (at 5’9 and running marathons). You called this stupid. I was restricting what I ate. No wine, no ice cream, nothing that wasn't 'healthy'. You called this unnecessary. I did an acai berry cleanse. You rolled your eyes so hard you almost broke something.
I was so mad at you. How dare you not respect that I know what is best for me? I was working so hard, why didn’t you see that? I cried over those 10 pounds that I wanted to lose so badly. Why couldn’t you sympathize with me?
Then I started to listen to you. After all, what did I have to lose, except those 10lbs? Everything I was doing wasn’t working anyway, so I gave what you had to say a shot. I picked up some weights. I upped my calories. I got over myself.
And you know what? It worked. My god, it worked so well. I look better now than at any point before in my life. I have PRed ever race I ran in the last year. I WON a race yesterday. I didn't win my age group, I won the whole thing. I am strong, I am healthy, and most importantly, I am happy. I am not constantly on a diet. I eat things that give me pleasure. I don’t waste my money on bullsh*t.
You didn’t say it nicely. You didn’t gift-wrap advice in a pretty bow. You didn’t tell me what I wanted to hear, but you told me what I needed to hear, and I thank you. I’m sorry I didn’t believe you sooner.
Hugs and cat gifs…
This needs a huge Like button.
And in case anyone doesn't realize, that is the original post from the Dear Mean People thread by @ThickMcRunFast0 -
Putting deadlines and pressure on yourself doesn't get you too far. Goals are great but hard deadlines are usually a motivation killer.
It takes as long as it takes
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I believe a lot of misunderstanding is going on in this thread.
OP if you want to be on a 1300 calorie diet temporarily, it's fine. Bigger people can handle to go lower than many.
If having an aggressive goal motivates you, it's fine. It doesn't mean you will be able to achieve it though.
You seem to be a little bit unaware how much weight loss a certain amount of calories can produce, which is why people are getting worried about you. At 1300 calories you would be losing 2.2-2.5 pounds a week, to a maximum of 10 in a month. There would be some water loss making 14 lb in the first month possible, but not guaranteed, especially if you introduced exercise which tends to make your body hold onto the water.
When your goal is 14 lb in 3 weeks people are going to worry that you would start eating only 500-600 calories a day, which is the amount needed to achieve it. This is not the case. You are simply unaware that eating 1300 calories will not produce a loss of 14 lb in 3 weeks. People are just worried about you, they aren't trying to discourage you or upset you. Unrealistic expectations and being unable to reach them can be frustrating and may cause you to quit.
If you are unable to reach your mini goal in 3 weeks (and you likely won't), what will happen? Would it frustrate you? Discourage you? Push you to lower your calories even further? Or is it just a "shoot for the stars if you want to reach the moon" kind of scenario where you will feel like you've had a bit of fun for a while, pushed yourself, reached a reasonable loss within that time frame and continue on happy and proud of yourself despite not hitting your goal number?
From one big person to another:
This is a long ride for us, followed by an even longer ride to maintain our loss. From experience, you will want to make the ride as comfortable as possible. It's fine to dabble in this or that diet every once in awhile to break routine, but you will want to learn as much as you can about yourself to develop strategies that will help you lose weight and maintain it. Sustainable strategies.
What things will you be able to continue doing for at least 2 years? What things will you be able to continue doing for life? This is what you need to think about once your mini challenge is over. Your life and surroundings will not change just because you decided to go on a diet. You will still be faced with all kinds of foods, distractions, social situations, lack of support, personal mental hurdles, loss of motivation...etc. Learning how to navigate around these situations with the least amount of stress and resistance will be very important long term. Foods are not evil. Carbs are not evil. You are not evil if you have a less than perfect day.
I will say what I always keep saying: it's okay to dabble and experiment, but in the long run the best diet for you is the easiest diet to follow long term. So learn more about yourself, what satisfies you, what foods you like, what foods you don't, what habits are attainable, what habits are not, what foods are just not worth the calories, what foods are worth every single calorie despite not being traditionally "healthy"...etc. It's a mental game. Caring for your mental health is just as important as caring for your physical health when you are on a diet.0 -
I think you missed the bit where she's already lost close to 40lbs and this was a 3 week goal
Other than that great post amusedmonkey0
I take it you are of the vocal variety too !! 
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