NO carbs and fat in a diet.
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My ex did a popular one up here and I don't know if it's really so great either. The foods were all comercially available foods on an approved list and she had to take B12 shots, a multi-vitamin and an extra potasium pill. She decided to get off the diet about 5 weeks in when she forgot to take the potasium pill for a couple days and they told her that she could have dire health consequences if she didn't take the pills daily. At that time she figured it was just too dangerous.0 -
Eating faces would also help you lose weight! So... win-win all around.
Seriously though, I did low carb (ie. start at less than 15g of carb, then maintain in the 20s). Much less emphasis on calories, lots of emphasis on not eating carbs. You eat a lot of protein and low carb vegetables. You can eat bacon. Eggs. Steak. Salad. But you have to do it all the time, you can't do it one day and not the next. I found my body changed, and I think because you've deprived your body of carbs (which are easy energy sources) it begins to burn fat and protein as energy (fat on you, as well). But there's lots of speculation as to why it works. And it does seem to work.
BUT, I couldn't maintain it. I can't eat that way all the time. I love me a salad with some protein on it. But I also like having toast sometimes. Having rice. Having a bowl (small bowl) of pasta. I really like food, and I couldn't do it. I also got constipated, and your breath begins to change odour, and you begin to have a metallic taste in your mouth (at least I did, and many report so).
It could work for you. But I think many report the long term of this is that many fall off the wagon, and then go back to eating before they ate low carb. And then gain the weight back. I think if you do it, you need to have a long term plan as well, for what happens when you stop doing it. I like MFP because it sort of teaches you what a proper meal size is for you. Everyone learns a way that works for them. It doesn't restrict what you can or cannot eat.0 -
Wouldn't faces be pretty high in fat?0
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It sounds like she's put her body into ketosis, where it uses fat for fuel because it's not getting fuel from blood sugar. I did a guided, medically proven program similar to this and it did work; however, tons of supplementation was needed and when I hit my goal I needed a month of transition before I could go back to eating carbs and fats again. You cannot live without carbs and fats forever; if you do, you're starving your body of essential nutrients. While that other program worked for me, I found that I did not closely monitor the types of foods I ate once I went on maintenance - though I was given guidance and it would not have been hard to do so to keep the weight off (I just didn't follow the guidance I was given). In any case, I'm not returning to that program now that I'm needing to lose 40 lbs (I originally lost 70 and have put more than half back on). It is too much deprivation for me and as a vegetarian, I need protein from sources other than eggs and tofu. That's why I'm here at MFP - so I can learn to think differently about food in the long-term. I AM cutting out some carbs and sugars (grains and all sugars, including fruit) for a few weeks to empty my sugar tank and sort of "reset" myself to lessen those cravings. But I will then start to reintroduce them slowly back into my routine. Carbs and fats are not only good, they are necessary for your body to be healthy. The key is to eat the healthy carbs and fats and reduce the amount of unhealthy ones. Easily said, not as easily done ... but just keep in mind that giving them up entirely (and for life) is basically the equivalent of starving yourself.0
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I'm doing a low carb high protein woe. In the last week I've lost water weight of 4 lbs. Should go down to 1 to 2 lbs a week here soon. My fat is whatever. I try not to go over I think 45 on my fat grams. And keep my protein between a min. of 89 and 146. My carbs I try to stay below 60. Calorie intake between 1000 and 1200 so I don't get yelled at by this program. I eat a lot of meats and veggies and beans and protein shakes. You can't live without fat your body will starve itself and feed off it. And then gain it all back. Just my opinion though, take it for what it is worth.0
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KittyHeaven74 wrote: »It sounds like she's put her body into ketosis,
Hi protein, lo fat would be almost the exact opposite of keto0 -
GlamourVintage wrote: »Okay guys, so a woman on Youtube said she lose 40 pounds in 2 months..by barely eating carbs (20 or lower) and no fat..and kept it off for the last month. She said carbs and fat is the enemy. And a person can't lose weight if they eat 20g or more of carbs and fat. My question is can you live off of 20g or lower in carbs and fat? I'm just curious. Opinions, please?
Last summer, my neighbor lost 30 pounds in a short time on a low carb and low fat diet. Looks like she's gained half of it back. (I asked her about her progress when she was losing weight, but not since she started putting it back on.)
So, while she successfully LOST weight, she didn't learn habits that would allow her to keep it off.0 -
KittyHeaven74 wrote: »It sounds like she's put her body into ketosis, where it uses fat for fuel because it's not getting fuel from blood sugar. I did a guided, medically proven program similar to this and it did work; however, tons of supplementation was needed and when I hit my goal I needed a month of transition before I could go back to eating carbs and fats again. You cannot live without carbs and fats forever; if you do, you're starving your body of essential nutrients. While that other program worked for me, I found that I did not closely monitor the types of foods I ate once I went on maintenance - though I was given guidance and it would not have been hard to do so to keep the weight off (I just didn't follow the guidance I was given). In any case, I'm not returning to that program now that I'm needing to lose 40 lbs (I originally lost 70 and have put more than half back on). It is too much deprivation for me and as a vegetarian, I need protein from sources other than eggs and tofu. That's why I'm here at MFP - so I can learn to think differently about food in the long-term. I AM cutting out some carbs and sugars (grains and all sugars, including fruit) for a few weeks to empty my sugar tank and sort of "reset" myself to lessen those cravings. But I will then start to reintroduce them slowly back into my routine. Carbs and fats are not only good, they are necessary for your body to be healthy. The key is to eat the healthy carbs and fats and reduce the amount of unhealthy ones. Easily said, not as easily done ... but just keep in mind that giving them up entirely (and for life) is basically the equivalent of starving yourself.
If low carb works for you then certainly, but the the standard supervised VLCDs aren't usually ketogenic but just really low calories. The one my ex did worked very well for several of our friends and collegues but wasn't ketogenic and only low carb because it was so low calorie, about 750/day.0 -
juggernaut1974 wrote: »KittyHeaven74 wrote: »It sounds like she's put her body into ketosis,
Hi protein, lo fat would be almost the exact opposite of keto
Yeah, you would be converting a lot of protein to carbs and my understaning is that the keto crowd tries to keep their protein rather low as well, something like 50g or so a day I seem to recall seeing but I'm sure someone who does keto can chime in.0 -
shes an idiot and will gain it all (and more) back when she adds it back in.0
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Just don't worry about macros and eat what's right for your body while getting all the necessary nutrients. IMO, getting all worked up about those sort of things adds undue stress to the system and I'm sure we've all read about what such stress can do.0
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LHWhite903 wrote: »Just don't worry about macros and eat what's right for your body while getting all the necessary nutrients. IMO, getting all worked up about those sort of things adds undue stress to the system and I'm sure we've all read about what such stress can do.
I disagree that you should completely not "worry about macros"...it's important to ensure you're getting adequate proteins and fats especially. And being mindful of your macros can help with things like meal planning, satiety, and even gaining a better understanding of calorie counting.
That said, I think micro managing them to the point of ensuring you hit say EXACTLY 30% of calories from fat, or EXACTLY 120 grams of protein each day is completely unnecessary.
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juggernaut1974 wrote: »KittyHeaven74 wrote: »It sounds like she's put her body into ketosis,
Hi protein, lo fat would be almost the exact opposite of keto
finally some sense.....
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LHWhite903 wrote: »Just don't worry about macros and eat what's right for your body while getting all the necessary nutrients. IMO, getting all worked up about those sort of things adds undue stress to the system and I'm sure we've all read about what such stress can do.
You just told them to not worry about nutrients but eat their necessary nutrients.
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Carbs are basically in everything including fruit. How is this possible?0
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starangel26 wrote: »Carbs are basically in everything including fruit. How is this possible?
That's kind of the point. Ether you eat high fat or high carb, it's hard to go very low carb and fat together. The only way I can see it by manufactured protein supplements but after a couple weeks suicide would probably look good.0 -
High fat, high carb, high protein. Why limit yourself0
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harrybananas wrote: »High fat, high carb, high protein. Why limit yourself
I like that way of thinking.0 -
juggernaut1974 wrote: »LHWhite903 wrote: »Just don't worry about macros and eat what's right for your body while getting all the necessary nutrients. IMO, getting all worked up about those sort of things adds undue stress to the system and I'm sure we've all read about what such stress can do.
I disagree that you should completely not "worry about macros"...it's important to ensure you're getting adequate proteins and fats especially. And being mindful of your macros can help with things like meal planning, satiety, and even gaining a better understanding of calorie counting.
That said, I think micro managing them to the point of ensuring you hit say EXACTLY 30% of calories from fat, or EXACTLY 120 grams of protein each day is completely unnecessary.
Agreed. You do need carbs, fats and protein in order to remain alive. I like to keep my carbs at around 40-50 percent and the rest fat and protein, but I'm not anal about it.0 -
Shawnrivas wrote: »My problem is I'm a binge eater and nothing seems to work.
Try tracking what you eat for a few weeks. Once I did I noticed a pattern for myself. It seems like whenever I eat regular pasta(think Italian food pasta) I would get crazy cravings and end up binging. Now that I have pretty much cut just that carb out of my diet I get very few binge cravings and can stick to my food plan MUCH better. I don't restrict anything but I do actively avoid pasta as it seems to be a trigger food for me for some reason....I have no idea what/why but it has worked well for me. And know that I am aware this is a trigger on the rare occasion that I do have it I pat extra attention to what is going into my mouth for a couple of days after.0 -
You don't need carbs--you do need fat and protein.
However, good luck achieving 0 of anything, in reality. Even if one were to live on lean chicken breasts, there would be SOME fat.
Add non-starchy vegetables and you have SOME carbs, even if they are very minimal.
It's just idiotic.0 -
I'm on a low fat diet and do not even worry about the carbs that I eat. There's actually alot of things to eat that are low in fat. I wouldn't try a no fat diet though because our body does need it.0
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azulvioleta6 wrote: »You don't need carbs--you do need fat and protein.
However, good luck achieving 0 of anything, in reality. Even if one were to live on lean chicken breasts, there would be SOME fat.
Add non-starchy vegetables and you have SOME carbs, even if they are very minimal.
It's just idiotic.
Uhhh yes, you do need carbs. Carbs help metabolize protein, and you need carbs to keep your brain going as well as other organs.0 -
An opinion from someone who has done the 20g or less carbs and no fat...
Did I lose weight and lose weight fast? Yes
Did I keep the weight off? No...as soon as I started eating normally again (adding back some complex carbs and all) I started gaining again. And such deprivation caused me to binge eat from time to time, and that wasn't forming a healthy relationship with food.
Did I feel energized and healthy? No...I had no energy, constant headaches, and even healthy foods like some fruits and veggies were off limits. When you put such a limit on carbs and fats its hard to get to a realistic calorie goal, so reaching 1000 calories during that time was difficult. Usually when someone is on a lower carb diet they compensate with a higher fat percentage to make up for the energy lost from lack of carbs.
Was it worth it? No...I lose weight about at the rate she mentioned...42 lbs in 2 months...but I honestly never felt worse...I was constantly worried about what I could eat next, going out to eat with friends was stressful, and I was constantly agitated.
Now I simply work with a 35-30-35 (carbs-fat-protein)...I still don't eat a lot of carbs (131 g), but it leaves a lot more options. You can do lower carbs without giving up all carbs.
Best of luck!
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missblueeyes_26 wrote: »An opinion from someone who has done the 20g or less carbs and no fat...
Did I lose weight and lose weight fast? Yes
Did I keep the weight off? No...as soon as I started eating normally again (adding back some complex carbs and all) I started gaining again. And such deprivation caused me to binge eat from time to time, and that wasn't forming a healthy relationship with food.
Did I feel energized and healthy? No...I had no energy, constant headaches, and even healthy foods like some fruits and veggies were off limits. When you put such a limit on carbs and fats its hard to get to a realistic calorie goal, so reaching 1000 calories during that time was difficult. Usually when someone is on a lower carb diet they compensate with a higher fat percentage to make up for the energy lost from lack of carbs.
Was it worth it? No...I lose weight about at the rate she mentioned...42 lbs in 2 months...but I honestly never felt worse...I was constantly worried about what I could eat next, going out to eat with friends was stressful, and I was constantly agitated.
Now I simply work with a 35-30-35 (carbs-fat-protein)...I still don't eat a lot of carbs (131 g), but it leaves a lot more options. You can do lower carbs without giving up all carbs.
Best of luck!
I've heard this story so many times from other people who have also done low carb. I was reading an article about carbohydrates and the effects of a low carb diet, it said that a lot of the weight lost is a combo of water and muscle. Carbs are certainly necessary, so is protein and fat. I don't know why there are so many people who believe otherwise.
Even with people who are type 2 diabetics, have PCOS etc, insulin resistant,etc have to eat carbs. But they need complex carbs and have to eat them in smaller quantities than people without metabolic conditions.
According to a dietician organization, the brain itself requires around 131 grams of carbs a day to function well.
Here's an interesting read: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK22436/
It talks about the requirements of carbs, fats and proteins that we need in order for our organs to function properly.0 -
While carbs are not required for good health both fats and proteins are required to live.0
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GaleHawkins wrote: »While carbs are not required for good health both fats and proteins are required to live.
Why do you think that? the brain alone requires 120-1300 grams of carbs a day in order to remain healthy.0 -
That sounds like a great way to start having your hair fall out. More than 20 grams of carbs won't cause you to gain weight. And fat is good for you. Your body needs it and it keeps you full.0
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