NO carbs and fat in a diet.

senecarr wrote: »

The initial ones caused horrible malnutrition because the protein came from bad parts of meat such as hooves, and thus the protein coming from it was incomplete, and left people with amino acid deficiencies.

yeah, like 30 years ago that happened.

Eating faces would also help you lose weight! So... win-win all around.

Seriously though, I did low carb (ie. start at less than 15g of carb, then maintain in the 20s). Much less emphasis on calories, lots of emphasis on not eating carbs. You eat a lot of protein and low carb vegetables. You can eat bacon. Eggs. Steak. Salad. But you have to do it all the time, you can't do it one day and not the next. I found my body changed, and I think because you've deprived your body of carbs (which are easy energy sources) it begins to burn fat and protein as energy (fat on you, as well). But there's lots of speculation as to why it works. And it does seem to work.

BUT, I couldn't maintain it. I can't eat that way all the time. I love me a salad with some protein on it. But I also like having toast sometimes. Having rice. Having a bowl (small bowl) of pasta. I really like food, and I couldn't do it. I also got constipated, and your breath begins to change odour, and you begin to have a metallic taste in your mouth (at least I did, and many report so).

It could work for you. But I think many report the long term of this is that many fall off the wagon, and then go back to eating before they ate low carb. And then gain the weight back. I think if you do it, you need to have a long term plan as well, for what happens when you stop doing it. I like MFP because it sort of teaches you what a proper meal size is for you. Everyone learns a way that works for them. It doesn't restrict what you can or cannot eat.

It sounds like she's put her body into ketosis, where it uses fat for fuel because it's not getting fuel from blood sugar. I did a guided, medically proven program similar to this and it did work; however, tons of supplementation was needed and when I hit my goal I needed a month of transition before I could go back to eating carbs and fats again. You cannot live without carbs and fats forever; if you do, you're starving your body of essential nutrients. While that other program worked for me, I found that I did not closely monitor the types of foods I ate once I went on maintenance - though I was given guidance and it would not have been hard to do so to keep the weight off (I just didn't follow the guidance I was given). In any case, I'm not returning to that program now that I'm needing to lose 40 lbs (I originally lost 70 and have put more than half back on). It is too much deprivation for me and as a vegetarian, I need protein from sources other than eggs and tofu. That's why I'm here at MFP - so I can learn to think differently about food in the long-term. I AM cutting out some carbs and sugars (grains and all sugars, including fruit) for a few weeks to empty my sugar tank and sort of "reset" myself to lessen those cravings. But I will then start to reintroduce them slowly back into my routine. Carbs and fats are not only good, they are necessary for your body to be healthy. The key is to eat the healthy carbs and fats and reduce the amount of unhealthy ones. Easily said, not as easily done ... but just keep in mind that giving them up entirely (and for life) is basically the equivalent of starving yourself.

KittyHeaven74 wrote: »

It sounds like she's put her body into ketosis,

Hi protein, lo fat would be almost the exact opposite of keto

KittyHeaven74 wrote: »

It sounds like she's put her body into ketosis, where it uses fat for fuel because it's not getting fuel from blood sugar. I did a guided, medically proven program similar to this and it did work; however, tons of supplementation was needed and when I hit my goal I needed a month of transition before I could go back to eating carbs and fats again. You cannot live without carbs and fats forever; if you do, you're starving your body of essential nutrients. While that other program worked for me, I found that I did not closely monitor the types of foods I ate once I went on maintenance - though I was given guidance and it would not have been hard to do so to keep the weight off (I just didn't follow the guidance I was given). In any case, I'm not returning to that program now that I'm needing to lose 40 lbs (I originally lost 70 and have put more than half back on). It is too much deprivation for me and as a vegetarian, I need protein from sources other than eggs and tofu. That's why I'm here at MFP - so I can learn to think differently about food in the long-term. I AM cutting out some carbs and sugars (grains and all sugars, including fruit) for a few weeks to empty my sugar tank and sort of "reset" myself to lessen those cravings. But I will then start to reintroduce them slowly back into my routine. Carbs and fats are not only good, they are necessary for your body to be healthy. The key is to eat the healthy carbs and fats and reduce the amount of unhealthy ones. Easily said, not as easily done ... but just keep in mind that giving them up entirely (and for life) is basically the equivalent of starving yourself.

If low carb works for you then certainly, but the the standard supervised VLCDs aren't usually ketogenic but just really low calories. The one my ex did worked very well for several of our friends and collegues but wasn't ketogenic and only low carb because it was so low calorie, about 750/day.

shes an idiot and will gain it all (and more) back when she adds it back in.

LHWhite903 wrote: »

Just don't worry about macros and eat what's right for your body while getting all the necessary nutrients. IMO, getting all worked up about those sort of things adds undue stress to the system and I'm sure we've all read about what such stress can do.

I disagree that you should completely not "worry about macros"...it's important to ensure you're getting adequate proteins and fats especially. And being mindful of your macros can help with things like meal planning, satiety, and even gaining a better understanding of calorie counting.

That said, I think micro managing them to the point of ensuring you hit say EXACTLY 30% of calories from fat, or EXACTLY 120 grams of protein each day is completely unnecessary.

starangel26 wrote: »

Carbs are basically in everything including fruit. How is this possible?

That's kind of the point. Ether you eat high fat or high carb, it's hard to go very low carb and fat together. The only way I can see it by manufactured protein supplements but after a couple weeks suicide would probably look good.

harrybananas wrote: »

High fat, high carb, high protein. Why limit yourself

I like that way of thinking.