High vs. Low carbs
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CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »Please continue high carb, why eat fat to lose fat? It's absurd. Keep sticking to your carb load because you'll need the energy throughout the day no matter what you're doing to get it done.
Because it works for some people for a variety of reasons - control of blood sugar, reduction of carb-induced cravings, satiation caused by fat.
It is a calorie deficit that causes you to lose fat. Your body doesn't care where the calories come from.
My diet has been between 60 & 70% fat for the last 4 months. I've lost 36 lbs - while achieving my primary goal of keeping my blood sugar is in the normal range - a goal that your advice to up the carbs would wreak havoc on.
Exercise works for some people (and is certainly good for everyone), but it is not necessary for weight loss.
Others have already commented on the absurdity of suggesting specific calorie amounts the OP should reach.
I'm just trying to look out for the OP and make sure they are eating enough. I'm all about consistency and sustainability when it comes to diets. Low carb diets are not successful in the long run, people only use them to lose weight.
no, low carb is not for weight loss,you do lose a lot of water weight at first from it,but it helps many people with health issues, those with pcos,insulin resistance,glucose issues,etc can benefit from a low carb diet. it can be sustainable in the long run. there are people here who have done it for years. some people cannot have high amounts of carbs.
Higher fat is more insulin resistant than fruits and vegetables. Its hard to be sustainable in the long term with a HF diet.
ok show me a link proving this, like I said many people are on low carb and high fat and have to eat that way to keep their conditions in check. doesnt mean they will have to eat like this the rest of their lives but for some they may have to. im one who cant have a lot of carbs. I dont eat low carb,but I have to watch my carbs because it jacks up my cholesterol
Carbs jack up Cholesterol? Do you associate carbs with chips, ice cream, cookies, and just food? Those are all high fat foods! When I'm talking about carbs, I mean grains, vegetables, fruits, legumes, and starches! All those foods have close to 0 cholesterol, many have none. Meat on the other hand and other fatty foods, are wayyyy high in Chol.
no,I mean healthy carbs. if I eat more than 250 it messes with my cholesterol. and when i went lower carb my numbers improved and my levels went down over half of what they were. I barely ever eat chips,ice cream and cookies. I even went on a meat free and low cholesterol diet and it didnt do squat for me. I avoided everything it told me to and my cholesterol never changed. so yes,for me high carbs of even the "healthy" foods cause me issues
Oh, that seems to be strange haha. But what suits you, suits you.0 -
Please continue high carb, why eat fat to lose fat? It's absurd. Keep sticking to your carb load because you'll need the energy throughout the day no matter what you're doing to get it done.
This is a great example of being severely misinformed about how fat acts in regards to nutrition. You ABSOLUTELY have to eat fat to lose fat. Fat that you eat doesn't turn into body fat.... Carbs do! There are thousands of studies and evidence to prove this. Processed carbs spike glucose levels, and then what is not used (most of it) is immediately stored as fat. Why do you think you love carbs so much? Because it's actually a sugar addiction. This is why we all are struggling...
It's not your fault though. The media and government is constantly giving you terrible advice and trying to trick us into eating more grains and sugar for their own gains. You're an example of a success of theirs.
https://www.ketovangelist.com/category/ketogenic_studies/
Also you don't understand how cholesterol works either. Cholesterol issues happen when you eat constant processed carbs (bread, pasta, etc) in conjunction with high fat. It's not the fatty meats that are the problem, it's the breads. These create a constant state of inflammation in your body with wreaks havoc on your health.
I eat super fatty cuts of meat every day and I have great cholesterol levels. What I don't eat, is processed carbs or sugar.0 -
Please continue high carb, why eat fat to lose fat? It's absurd. Keep sticking to your carb load because you'll need the energy throughout the day no matter what you're doing to get it done.
This is a great example of being severely misinformed about how fat acts in regards to nutrition. You ABSOLUTELY have to eat fat to lose fat. Fat that you eat doesn't turn into body fat.... Carbs do! There are thousands of studies and evidence to prove this. Processed carbs spike glucose levels, and then what is not used (most of it) is immediately stored as fat. Why do you think you love carbs so much? Because it's actually a sugar addiction. This is why we all are struggling...
It's not your fault though. The media and government is constantly giving you terrible advice and trying to trick us into eating more grains and sugar for their own gains. You're an example of a success of theirs.
https://www.ketovangelist.com/category/ketogenic_studies/
Oh yeah, I should definitely stop eating my grains, vegetables, legumes, starches and fruit and switch to meat, dairy, eggs, and other highly saturated fat foods! Nah I'll stick to my high carb and continue to weigh 153 lbs and have the energy to bike 1+ hours everyday.0 -
carbs are the best source of energy and they burn off quick! high carb low fat all the way
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Carbs jack up Cholesterol? Do you associate carbs with chips, ice cream, cookies, and just food? Those are all high fat foods! When I'm talking about carbs, I mean grains, vegetables, fruits, legumes, and starches! All those foods have close to 0 cholesterol, many have none. Meat on the other hand and other fatty foods, are wayyyy high in Chol.
The most recent research calls into question the assumption that dietary cholesterol is directly related to serum cholesterol. Since you suggest you are repeatedly posting "facts" here to protect the OP, you should do some research to ensure your "facts" are correct.
As to the relation between carbs and cholesterol, there is growing evidence that low carb increases good cholesterol and decreases bad cholesterol.:
"Low-carbohydrate weight loss diets have an edge over low-fat diets for improving HDL cholesterol levels long term, according to a study funded by the National Institutes of Health.
Dieters who followed low-carb or low-fat plans for two years along with a lifestyle modification program lost the same amount of weight -- on average about 7% of their body weight or 15 pounds.
But throughout the two-year study, low-carbohydrate dieters had significantly increased HDL, or "good," cholesterol levels compared to low-fat dieters." http://www.webmd.com/cholesterol-management/news/20100802/low-carb-diets-improve-cholesterol-long-term
"The low-carb diet was most beneficial for lowering triglycerides, the main fat-carrying particle in the bloodstream, and also delivered the biggest boost in protective HDL cholesterol.
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Research shows that a moderately low-carbohydrate diet can help the heart, as long as protein and fat selections come from healthy sources."
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/carbohydrates/low-carbohydrate-diets/0 -
Sakura_Tree wrote: »carbs are the best source of energy and they burn off quick! high carb low fat all the way
Thank you!! Finally I see a person who understands HCLF, I haven't seen one yet besides you!0 -
@OMP33
We don't have to keep arguing. If you're happy with your lifestyle that is great. However, as others have said, do some research before you start spreading advice that can actually kill them.
This is a fun movie to watch, and it's funny yet informative. It's a good place to start.
http://www.hulu.com/watch/1968790 -
@OMP33
We don't have to keep arguing. If you're happy with your lifestyle that is great. However, as others have said, do some research before you start spreading advice that can actually kill them.
This is a fun movie to watch, and it's funny yet informative. It's a good place to start.
http://www.hulu.com/watch/196879
You're the one spreading misinformation! Go watch Forks over Knives! A whole food-plant based diet is the healthiest one to live! If you really think eating butter and saturated fat foods is GOOD for you, then you really need a reality check. Open your diary and let's see what you're eating. Here's some links for you..
Meat Hormones & Female Infertility
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/meat-hormones-female-infertility/
Why is Meat a Risk Factor for Diabetes?
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/why-is-meat-a-risk-factor-for-diabetes/
Meat and Weight Gain in the PANACEA Study
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/meat-and-weight-gain-in-the-panacea-study/
What are the Healthiest Foods?
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/what-are-the-healthiest-foods/-1 -
Nah I'll stick to my high carb and continue to weigh 153 lbs and have the energy to bike 1+ hours everyday.
Google low carb athletes.Sakura_Tree wrote: »carbs are the best source of energy and they burn off quick! high carb low fat all the way
Thank you!! Finally I see a person who understands HCLF, I haven't seen one yet besides you!
I've only seen one person in this thread that has said HCLF doesn't work. No one else is making blanket statements about HCLF diets.
You, in contrast, have been making blanket statements about LC diets, a diet your comments demonstrate you know nothing about. We have been correcting those false statements about as fast as you can make them.
Aside from one person in this thread, you have no basis to decide whether any of the rest of us understand HCLF or not, or whether we believe it is appropriate for some people.0 -
This is a great example of being severely misinformed about how fat acts in regards to nutrition. You ABSOLUTELY have to eat fat to lose fat. Fat that you eat doesn't turn into body fat.... Carbs do!
That's incorrect. While an excess of carbs (or proteins) can indeed form body fat, dietary fat can also be stored as body fat as well. Your body has no way of knowing or caring whether a fatty acid molecule came across the intestinal wall or was manufactured by your body from carbohydrates or amino acids. It can manufacture triglycerides from either source.
A caloric surplus leads to an accumulation of body fat, regardless of what types of macronutrients that surplus comes from.0 -
Nah I'll stick to my high carb and continue to weigh 153 lbs and have the energy to bike 1+ hours everyday.
Google low carb athletes.Sakura_Tree wrote: »carbs are the best source of energy and they burn off quick! high carb low fat all the way
Thank you!! Finally I see a person who understands HCLF, I haven't seen one yet besides you!
I've only seen one person in this thread that has said HCLF doesn't work. No one else is making blanket statements about HCLF diets.
You, in contrast, have been making blanket statements about LC diets, a diet your comments demonstrate you know nothing about. We have been correcting those false statements about as fast as you can make them.
Aside from one person in this thread, you have no basis to decide whether any of the rest of us understand HCLF or not, or whether we believe it is appropriate for some people.
Yes there are low carb atheletes! Do they WIN? No. Kenyans are some of the fastest people on earth and tell me what they eat. Grains, sugar, and corn. All carbs.0 -
@OMP33
My diary is open to my friends :-)
Yes, plant foods are wonderful for you. Agreed. But you still need fat.
And as I said, the common media has a ridiculous amount of information to stray you away from fat. I'm aware of such articles but I don't have 40 hours to waste giving my full rebuttal.
Let's just agree that sugar is bad.
Have a nice day and good luck with your nutritional goals.0 -
@OMP33
We don't have to keep arguing. If you're happy with your lifestyle that is great. However, as others have said, do some research before you start spreading advice that can actually kill them.
This is a fun movie to watch, and it's funny yet informative. It's a good place to start.
http://www.hulu.com/watch/196879
More studies incase the people in the back didn't hear.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2125600/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17364116
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16904539
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19828712
https://www.cspinet.org/nah/pdfs/covermay2014.pdf
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1312295/
More to come if you really want them
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@OMP33
My diary is open to my friends :-)
Yes, plant foods are wonderful for you. Agreed. But you still need fat.
And as I said, the common media has a ridiculous amount of information to stray you away from fat. I'm aware of such articles but I don't have 40 hours to waste giving my full rebuttal.
Let's just agree that sugar is bad.
Have a nice day and good luck with your nutritional goals.
I am your friend? No, open it to the public.0 -
Please continue high carb, why eat fat to lose fat? It's absurd. Keep sticking to your carb load because you'll need the energy throughout the day no matter what you're doing to get it done.
This is a great example of being severely misinformed about how fat acts in regards to nutrition. You ABSOLUTELY have to eat fat to lose fat. Fat that you eat doesn't turn into body fat.... Carbs do! There are thousands of studies and evidence to prove this. Processed carbs spike glucose levels, and then what is not used (most of it) is immediately stored as fat. Why do you think you love carbs so much? Because it's actually a sugar addiction. This is why we all are struggling...
It's not your fault though. The media and government is constantly giving you terrible advice and trying to trick us into eating more grains and sugar for their own gains. You're an example of a success of theirs.
https://www.ketovangelist.com/category/ketogenic_studies/
Also you don't understand how cholesterol works either. Cholesterol issues happen when you eat constant processed carbs (bread, pasta, etc) in conjunction with high fat. It's not the fatty meats that are the problem, it's the breads. These create a constant state of inflammation in your body with wreaks havoc on your health.
I eat super fatty cuts of meat every day and I have great cholesterol levels. What I don't eat, is processed carbs or sugar.
This woo is actually even more incorrect than the things OMP has been saying, sorry. He's wrong, but so are you. Yes, fat is necessary in the diet, but you don't have to eat it to lose weight (it just helps you be healthier as it's necessary for some bodily functions). Carbs don't turn into body fat either though, if you eat them at maintenance or deficit amounts. They only do that if you eat them in excess, but guess what? Fat and protein will be stored as fat if you eat them in excess, too! Unprocessed carbs also spike glucose levels. So does protein. It's not actually a big deal. Carbs are not 'immediately stored as fat'. That's - for lack of a better word - nonsense. If you're eating at maintenance calories or at deficit calories, it doesn't matter if you're eating carbs, fat or protein. It doesn't even matter if you're eating pure sugar. You won't gain weight. You'll be very unhealthy though, since you wouldn't be getting the right nutrients. There's also no such thing as a 'sugar addiction', sorry.
I'm not even going to justify the rest of what you wrote with an answer, because it strays into tin-foil hat territory.0 -
Ah, disqus. Now it makes sense. Interesting conversations people have on there.@OMP33
We don't have to keep arguing. If you're happy with your lifestyle that is great. However, as others have said, do some research before you start spreading advice that can actually kill them.
This is a fun movie to watch, and it's funny yet informative. It's a good place to start.
http://www.hulu.com/watch/196879
More studies incase the people in the back didn't hear.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2125600/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17364116
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16904539
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19828712
https://www.cspinet.org/nah/pdfs/covermay2014.pdf
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1312295/
More to come if you really want them
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MarziPanda95 wrote: »Please continue high carb, why eat fat to lose fat? It's absurd. Keep sticking to your carb load because you'll need the energy throughout the day no matter what you're doing to get it done.
This is a great example of being severely misinformed about how fat acts in regards to nutrition. You ABSOLUTELY have to eat fat to lose fat. Fat that you eat doesn't turn into body fat.... Carbs do! There are thousands of studies and evidence to prove this. Processed carbs spike glucose levels, and then what is not used (most of it) is immediately stored as fat. Why do you think you love carbs so much? Because it's actually a sugar addiction. This is why we all are struggling...
It's not your fault though. The media and government is constantly giving you terrible advice and trying to trick us into eating more grains and sugar for their own gains. You're an example of a success of theirs.
https://www.ketovangelist.com/category/ketogenic_studies/
Also you don't understand how cholesterol works either. Cholesterol issues happen when you eat constant processed carbs (bread, pasta, etc) in conjunction with high fat. It's not the fatty meats that are the problem, it's the breads. These create a constant state of inflammation in your body with wreaks havoc on your health.
I eat super fatty cuts of meat every day and I have great cholesterol levels. What I don't eat, is processed carbs or sugar.
This woo is actually even more incorrect than the things OMP has been saying, sorry. He's wrong, but so are you. Yes, fat is necessary in the diet, but you don't have to eat it to lose weight (it just helps you be healthier as it's necessary for some bodily functions). Carbs don't turn into body fat either though, if you eat them at maintenance or deficit amounts. They only do that if you eat them in excess, but guess what? Fat and protein will be stored as fat if you eat them in excess, too! Unprocessed carbs also spike glucose levels. So does protein. It's not actually a big deal. Carbs are not 'immediately stored as fat'. That's - for lack of a better word - nonsense. If you're eating at maintenance calories or at deficit calories, it doesn't matter if you're eating carbs, fat or protein. It doesn't even matter if you're eating pure sugar. You won't gain weight. You'll be very unhealthy though, since you wouldn't be getting the right nutrients. There's also no such thing as a 'sugar addiction', sorry.
I'm not even going to justify the rest of what you wrote with an answer, because it strays into tin-foil hat territory.
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rankinsect wrote: »This is a great example of being severely misinformed about how fat acts in regards to nutrition. You ABSOLUTELY have to eat fat to lose fat. Fat that you eat doesn't turn into body fat.... Carbs do!
That's incorrect. While an excess of carbs (or proteins) can indeed form body fat, dietary fat can also be stored as body fat as well. Your body has no way of knowing or caring whether a fatty acid molecule came across the intestinal wall or was manufactured by your body from carbohydrates or amino acids. It can manufacture triglycerides from either source.
A caloric surplus leads to an accumulation of body fat, regardless of what types of macronutrients that surplus comes from.
This !!!
Eating carbs dos not mean they will instantly store as fat ! A calorie surplus causes weight gain . I could eat carbs all day and still lose weight as long as I was at a calorie deficit.0 -
Please continue high carb, why eat fat to lose fat? It's absurd. Keep sticking to your carb load because you'll need the energy throughout the day no matter what you're doing to get it done.
It isn't absurd and you clearly do not know what you are talking about. Fat makes you feel full. You do not need carbs to exclusively fuel you. You also don't need to eat a ton of fat, just enough to make you feel full.
There are plenty of people that subscribe to lower fat, lower carb, and higher protein. The fact that you do not know this just proves you don't know what you are talking about.Low carb diets are not successful in the long run, people only use them to lose weight.
Completely ignorant. Tons of people are happy on a low carb diet for the long haul. You just seem to be making up assumptions.
People who deal with depression and other mental health issues often do wonderful on this lifestyle. The original Keto (LCHF) diet was useful for people who suffered from seizures. It's interesting to note that a lot of mood stabilizers are also anti seizure medications. Similar areas in the brain but with different disorders.
You do need to find something that works for you. But, please don't be dissuaded by low carb based on the incorrect opinions of someone who opposes it.Yes there are low carb atheletes! Do they WIN? No. Kenyans are some of the fastest people on earth and tell me what they eat. Grains, sugar, and corn. All carbs.
Apples and oranges. A lot more goes into it than what someone eats. DNA, for one. Also, nobody here is trying to be a world class athlete.0 -
@OMP33
My diary is open to my friends :-)
Yes, plant foods are wonderful for you. Agreed. But you still need fat.
And as I said, the common media has a ridiculous amount of information to stray you away from fat. I'm aware of such articles but I don't have 40 hours to waste giving my full rebuttal.
Let's just agree that sugar is bad.
Have a nice day and good luck with your nutritional goals.
Why would sugar be bad if consumed in moderation? So the Clementine that I just ate is bad for me ?! ( no )
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PearBlossom9 wrote: »Please continue high carb, why eat fat to lose fat? It's absurd. Keep sticking to your carb load because you'll need the energy throughout the day no matter what you're doing to get it done.
It isn't absurd and you clearly do not know what you are talking about. Fat makes you feel full. You do not need carbs to exclusively fuel you. You also don't need to eat a ton of fat, just enough to make you feel full.
There are plenty of people that subscribe to lower fat, lower carb, and higher protein. The fact that you do not know this just proves you don't know what you are talking about.Low carb diets are not successful in the long run, people only use them to lose weight.
Completely ignorant. Tons of people are happy on a low carb diet for the long haul. You just seem to be making up assumptions.
People who deal with depression and other mental health issues often do wonderful on this lifestyle. The original Keto (LCHF) diet was useful for people who suffered from seizures. It's interesting to note that a lot of mood stabilizers are also anti seizure medications. Similar areas in the brain but with different disorders.
You do need to find something that works for you. But, please don't be dissuaded by low carb based on the incorrect opinions of someone who opposes it.
When I say long run, I do not mean a year. I mean 10-20 years.0 -
I love it when 2 woo supporters argue with each other.
OT - OP, a caloric deficit will help with losing body fat.0 -
PearBlossom9 wrote: »It isn't absurd and you clearly do not know what you are talking about. Fat makes you feel full. You do not need carbs to exclusively fuel you. You also don't need to eat a ton of fat, just enough to make you feel full.
Studies on satiety typically find that for most people, fat is the least sating macronutrient, with protein being the most and carbohydrates in between.
The actual factors that tend to best predict satiety are:
1. High protein foods are sating
2. High fiber foods are sating
3. Low energy density foods are sating
Neither carbs nor fat seem to really have a separate effect apart from their contributions to energy density. Fat's low satiety tends to be because of its high energy density.0 -
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You guys are entitled to your own opinions. Not really here for arguing, but to plant the seed that there are other lifestyles out there. We're all built differently and as long as what you do works for you, that is great.
I do want to suggest however that if you're going to say there is no such thing as a sugar addiction, then how about trying to cut all sugar out cold turkey for several weeks and seeing how you react? And by sugar I mean breads and pastas as well.0 -
ok what i want to know is why someone who is saying carbs are the answer yet says that people should eat grains,veggies and fruits and then their diary contains little to no fruits and veggies on most days and most of it is processed carbs and cereal? sorry but I dont think that you should tell people to eat the "healthier" carbs and to avoid the junk food(processed carbs" yet you are doing just that. dont preach to the choir unless you have your sermon in check.0
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You guys are entitled to your own opinions. Not really here for arguing, but to plant the seed that there are other lifestyles out there. We're all built differently and as long as what you do works for you, that is great.
I do want to suggest however that if you're going to say there is no such thing as a sugar addiction, then how about trying to cut all sugar out cold turkey for several weeks and seeing how you react? And by sugar I mean breads and pastas as well.
I read about a study suggesting fat addiction. Guess what? Your body needs both. Good luck avoiding them. And, being here for 3 plus years I think every diet has been reviewed by many. From 80-10-10 to 5-20-75 and everything in between. I'm not going to argue about butter or sugar. I eat both. My health is fine.
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CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »ok what i want to know is why someone who is saying carbs are the answer yet says that people should eat grains,veggies and fruits and then their diary contains little to no fruits and veggies on most days and most of it is processed carbs and cereal? sorry but I dont think that you should tell people to eat the "healthier" carbs and to avoid the junk food(processed carbs" yet you are doing just that. dont preach to the choir unless you have your sermon in check.
Explain why I eat unprocessed carbs and still weigh 153 lbs then. Carbs are carbs.0 -
LCHF < HA > HCLF. That's right. The other, other macro.0
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@thorsmom01
No, there is nothing wrong with a clementine. That is fructose (the natural sugar found in fruit). But the answer really isn't that simple. It's based on your goals as well as what you just at that clementine with, your activity levels, your genetics, and so forth. I won't go into detail because I'd just be berated for it.0
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